Could Taker stop Lesnar from winning the title

[Sexcellence of Sexecution]

Did anybody think to realize that maybe Undertaker returning to attack Lesnar could be a start of buildup to a an eventual feud with Sting? Think about it before you bast the idea, if Undertaker joins the Authority to help Seth Rollins and the rest of the Authority it could lead to an eventual Sting return to help take out the Authority once and for all. We don't know which side Kane will return back on to help as both Lesnar AND Rollins took him out before Battleground. Sting has unfinished business with the Authority and you know he will want to avenge his loss at Wrestlemania this year too. We will just have to wait and see how this plays out.

I didn't think it could be dumber until I saw this idea. Undertaker in the Authority is completely ridiculous. Never mind the fact that with Undertaker's legacy any attempt to make him heel at 60 years old is completely pointless, now we're gonna have him as the heel against Sting in a match at WrestleMania...which is in the Undertaker's HOME STATE. This would be absolute garbage decision-making.

 

[Jeff Deliverer of Mail]

I didn't think it could be dumber until I saw this idea. Undertaker in the Authority is completely ridiculous. Never mind the fact that with Undertaker's legacy any attempt to make him heel at 60 years old is completely pointless, now we're gonna have him as the heel against Sting in a match at WrestleMania...which is in the Undertaker's HOME STATE. This would be absolute garbage decision-making.

It sounds like the direction they are heading though doesn't it ? It's maddening. Sting vs The Authority wasn't really resolved, Undertaker is now a heel even though the crowd will probably never let him be .... Lesnar will fight Taker at Summerslam in a lamefest ....

...they'll mess up The Main Event again. Stop screwing up the main event WWE.

 

[Aquaman6686]

It sounds like the direction they are heading though doesn't it ? It's maddening. Sting vs The Authority wasn't really resolved, Undertaker is now a heel even though the crowd will probably never let him be .... Lesnar will fight Taker at Summerslam in a lamefest ....

...they'll mess up The Main Event again. Stop screwing up the main event WWE.

Undertaker isn't a heel, he's the face. Brock Lesnar is heel again. Undertaker didn't help Rollins win, he simply attacked the man who took EVERYTHING from him. Brock Lesnar is going to be booed and Undertaker is going to be cheered, because that's the only way it can be.

 

[Xemmy]

Undertaker isn't a heel, he's the face. Brock Lesnar is heel again. Undertaker didn't help Rollins win, he simply attacked the man who took EVERYTHING from him. Brock Lesnar is going to be booed and Undertaker is going to be cheered, because that's the only way it can be.

I disagree. Everything Taker did last night was heel-esque. Hell, the crowd even boo'd at first. Brock's been a complete baby-face. And honestly, what happened last night just made Taker look like a bitter old man. The crowd will cheer though. Because, and I'm quoting someone on here from a couple of years ago: "Undertaker could tombstone a baby" and the crowd would still go nuts.

Good god, I did not want to see this day come. Taker looked in pain just from walking around and going down the steel steps. I could swear I saw him rubbing his damn knee when he posed after the second tombstone. He's bulked up again, but he's just too damn old to be doing this. I'm sure he can still put on a good match under the right circumstances- but not against Brock. He needs a Cesaro or Cena type of guy to pull this return off.

 

[Wald]

I think Undertaker was meant to return as a heel for this program, though the crowd reaction might make Vince realise it would be easier to go with Taker as face and Brock as heel. But look at what Undertaker did, well two key points really:

1) He attacked the face in a WWE title match and thus helped the heel retain
&
2) He low-blowed Brock after Brock almost had him for an F5

Complete heel moves though I'd say they might go with Taker as a face coming out of last night. Only way to make him a heel is to align him with the Authority and that would be awful.

Also, on Sting v Undertaker at WM next year. It isn't happening, let it go. Sting's worth in Vince's eyes was proven to be minimal with this year's mess of a match against Triple H. No way he gets picked to be the guy who Taker has his last match with. It's going to be John Cena vs Undertaker and, to be honest, it should be. That's the bigger match.

 

[stingray11214]

Look, 'Taker has about as much business in the ring with Brock Lesnar as I do. Taker is an old-school pro wrestler, while Lesnar is a legitimate badass. I mean, Taker had that American badass gimmick 17 years ago. He is NOT that wrestler today. Even if he was, to step in the ring with Lesnar at his age and physical condition is asking to get very seriously hurt. Taker is NOT going to beat Brock at SummerSlam. There is no point to that match on Main Event, never mind SummerSlam. Why Stamford thought it was necessary to bring Taker back at all baffles me. Maybe that want him to join Paul Bearer? Who knows? Taker should have stayed gone after putting over Brock at WM. Really f-ing sad what this all has come to.

 

[d_henderson1810]

I think the ending at Battleground was awesome.

Finally, someone stands up to Brock. Brock's destruction finally came back on him.

I mean, Brock took the Streak, something that the Undertaker holds dear. I just wonder why he didn't do it at Summerslam last year (but I think he was still concussed) or at WM31 this year (but most people didn't even know if he would wrestle another match, and wasn't around to build up his WM match with Bray, so it was like he was hardly there anyway).

For months, Brock walks around like he owns the place. Tell me who would have finally toppled him? This makes sense because there is history, and love seeing Brock on his back.

I have an original idea for Summerslam- Seth Rollins and the Undertaker versus Brock Lesnar & the returning masked Kane, who would go face since Seth attacked him on Raw. It would be like the old Megapowers days, where they had tag-team main events at Summerslam.

 

[ASKane]

I guess I should have put a Spoiler Alert in the title

Will be interesting to see if Taker can avoid a concussion or other injury in the match to make it half decent but I except another early injury in the match follower by a night in the hospital. Lesnar's style is to stiff for a man of Taker's age.

Also I didn't want this to happen, WWE is just that predictable and thats why I created the thread. I didn't then and still have watched Taker Lesnar at Mania because I knew it wasn't a case of whether Taker would get injured it would be a case of how bad and I expect that to be the case again.

 

[Christian Faith]

This feels like the 1992 Royal Rumble all over again where we were supposed to believe Sid had turned heel by eliminating Hogan....

I don't believe for one moment The Undertaker has turned heel or joined the authority. So Lesnar's face turn is clearly going to end already as they won't have a face v face feud. This means despite Taker acting like a heel he'll still be the babyface in the feud......


Why?

I was actually enjoying face Lesnar and was looking forward to him hopefully feuding with Wyatt, Sheamus, Orton (when he turns for the 1000th time) and Owens.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I said they wouldn't be stupid enough to have Undertaker return and go after Lesnar, thereby killing Lesnar's huge babyface momentum. But they're doing it. Undertaker waited a year and half and even had a feud with Bray Wyatt in between but I guess NOW he's decided he wants revenge for the Streak ending. Even though if he beats Lesnar the Streak is still dead and Lesnar still holds many other PPV wins over him.

All true. After all, even if Undertaker avenges his defeat by beating Brock, his damn Streak is still over, isn't it? No way to reverse that.

For another thing, what was 'Taker so mad about? It's not as if Brock didn't beat him fair & square at WM30......did 'Taker expect Brock to lie down and lose to him on purpose? They were there to fight and the better man won. So, what's the problem?

In the end though, this topic takes on new meaning with last night's result. Undertaker did cost Brock the title. To me, the biggest question arising from the whole thing is......what in hell happened to Seth Rollins? I figured he'd pop up somewhere after 'Taker laid out Brock.

He is the world champion, isn't he?

Strange goings-on.

 

[AzLunchbox]

I think everyone is missing out on one small little detail. Yes Lesnar ended the streak.... A year and a half ago. So why does Taker return now?

The streak was only part of it. What happened on the go home Raw last week?

Lesnar "injured" Undertakers "baby brother" Kane and Paul Heyman. Once again mentioned beating the streak.

THAT was supposed to be the motivation that caused the ending to the ppv.

 

[Sundar]

I think the main reason they are doing this is to:

a. Keep Brock Lesnar busy without being involved in the world title picture - Because not many people are fond of the idea of Lesnar holding the title without defending it every month.

b. Build Undertaker up for Wrestlemania.

Personally, I don't like this idea because I don't want to see Taker vs Lesnar again. Brock's PPV record against Taker is already 4-0 and the only time Taker has beaten Lesnar in a singles match was way back in 2003 on Smackdown via countout. Getting a win against Lesnar at Summerslam would do nothing because the streak is already done and it would only make Brock look weak. If Brock wins, that would also not mean much because he has already beaten the streak and Taker is old and beat up. I would have been more interested in seeing something like Brock vs Sheamus or even Brock vs Rusev.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

I think everyone is missing out on one small little detail. Yes Lesnar ended the streak.... A year and a half ago. So why does Taker return now?

The streak was only part of it. What happened on the go home Raw last week?

Lesnar "injured" Undertakers "baby brother" Kane and Paul Heyman. Once again mentioned beating the streak.

THAT was supposed to be the motivation that caused the ending to the ppv.

Let me get this straight. Undertaker is a face who cost another face (Lesnar) the title because Lesnar attacked Taker's "brother" Kane, who is heel. Makes perfect sense.

 

[AzLunchbox]

Let me get this straight. Undertaker is a face who cost another face (Lesnar) the title because Lesnar attacked Taker's "brother" Kane, who is heel. Makes perfect sense.

Sadly with WWEs writing that does make sense. Just ask the Bella's why they were face for a month or why Brie is friends with Nikki again when they spent months at each others throats.

Did we just watch Bigshow a heel come out and KO punch Miz who is a heel?

Weren't Kane and show fighting in the authority? What happened to that? Wasn't Kane turning on Rollins?

Yeah....my point is their writing lately doesn't make sense and this is no different. Besides, with costing Lesnar the title and using a low blow kick I think they wanted Taker to be heel but at this point in his career that just won't work.

 

[Bischoff's Knob Slobberer]

Once again....the WWE IS PREDICTABLE......meh....nothing to see here.......

 

[OYDK]

Once again....the WWE IS PREDICTABLE......meh....nothing to see here.......

Can you get the fuck out of here?

It sucks that everybody has decided to play armchair booker and denounce this feud before it's even begun. Just the sheer spectacle of Taker vs Lesnar should be enough to get people excited, but it seems as if many are determined to make themselves miserable. The casuals will eat this feud up and so will many of the marks... I just feel bad for the smarks who will spend the whole time over analyzing every tiny little thing, while not taking the time to enjoy Taker's last run after a 25 year career.

As for the heel/face thing, it was quite obvious that WWE wanted Taker to come out as the heel at the end of it. The low blow followed by the "destruction" of Brock Lesnar left no doubt about it. I think they overestimated the love for Brock though... either that or they underestimated the love for Taker. It'll be interesting to see where they go from here with the whole thing.

 

[Un-Bo-Lievable Jeff]

I see this as setting up a bigger angle.

Taker vs Lesnar at Summerslam and it takes everything from Taker to put Lesnar down. Three tombstones, one on the stairs and then a chokeslam off the stage and something collapses on top of Lesnar that they can't get off.

No actual finish but Lesnar can't get up from what is on top of him, let's say the stage falls on him.

Next night on Raw, Heyman comes out shouting that Taker couldn't put Lesnar down himself and he didn't beat him, Taker answers back and as they go, Heyman baits Taker into a retirement match at Wrestlemania. Giving time for Taker to get into best shape possible for it so he has no excuses. Closer to it Taker makes it Hell in a Cell and Lesnar beats him again to retire him

 

[Logisticalbooker86]

Once again, my man crush on OUDK grows. No worries OUDK, I'm not hitting on you, but you hit the nail on the head again.

The whining about Taker's presence in the live discussion bordered on appalling. This is exactly why the WWE has very selective hearing as it relates to the IWC.

Look, I can somewhat understand the groan, but Undertaker is one of the biggest legends in WWE history, groaning about the fact that Taker feels healthy enough for one more round with Lesnar (at least) borders on comical and confirms every IWC stereotype ever. Congratulations IWC for acting like bratty children once again.

THIS IS WHY PAUL HEYMAN CONTINUED TO MENTION THE BREAKING OF THE STREAK ALL ALONG. This was always a possibility.

The idea that this move destroys Brock's ascension as an almighty badass is equally laughable. He's a part-timer who works when he wants and he has the best talking manager in the business. His shelf-life as a sympathetic baby face ain't long.

This is the first time i can honestly say I am ashamed to be a member of the IWC. Give the program a chance and see where it goes. You people nitpicking about who benefits from the feud and who loses momentum act as if you have a stake in the company. Pro wrestling was never meant to be taken this seriously folks.

The lot of you are going to disagree. I do not care.

 

[LBGetBack]

Can you get the fuck out of here?

It sucks that everybody has decided to play armchair booker and denounce this feud before it's even begun. Just the sheer spectacle of Taker vs Lesnar should be enough to get people excited, but it seems as if many are determined to make themselves miserable. The casuals will eat this feud up and so will many of the marks... I just feel bad for the smarks who will spend the whole time over analyzing every tiny little thing, while not taking the time to enjoy Taker's last run after a 25 year career.

As for the heel/face thing, it was quite obvious that WWE wanted Taker to come out as the heel at the end of it. The low blow followed by the "destruction" of Brock Lesnar left no doubt about it. I think they overestimated the love for Brock though... either that or they underestimated the love for Taker. It'll be interesting to see where they go from here with the whole thing.

I really think the only way to get Taker booed at this point is to follow what Jericho did back in 2008.....strip away everything the fans like about him.

He'd have to change his character, entrance(IMO), etc.

 

[L@RISANO]

I really think the only way to get Taker booed at this point is to follow what Jericho did back in 2008.....strip away everything the fans like about him.

He'd have to change his character, entrance(IMO), etc.

I just hope this story is about Taker wanting one last shot at Lesnar and is ready to throw everything at him come SummerSlam.


Ultimately, Lesnar prevails once again but actually shows respect(given Brock is still a Face, and Taker should also remain so).
Next night, Taker comes out to announce he is done, Sting shows up to issue a Mania challenge, and they both get ready for Texas and a huge Legends Match.
Simple yet effective.

 

[HORRORHOLIC]

I really think the only way to get Taker booed at this point is to follow what Jericho did back in 2008.....strip away everything the fans like about him.

He'd have to change his character, entrance(IMO), etc.

That would really for his last run.

 

[Bernkastel]

I'm happy to see another Taker/Lesnar match. It'll be hard hitting and physical, and since none of us know the man at all we have no real say as to whether Taker should wrestle Lesnar again for fear of his health. Maybe the injuries that Taker sustained at Mania were accidents? Maybe Lesnar has learned how to work a little safer. Cena, Rollins, nor Reigns have been injured by him, and Taker looked fine against Wyatt last year. And like Lesnar, Bray is a hard hitting dude. I say let Taker and Lesnar tear themselves apart.

My only gripe would be if the match becomes a title match. Taker should definitely not be champion again, and I'd like the champion to at least maintain a full time presence even if he doesn't wrestle all the time, so I am very adamant about Lesnar holding the strap again. I'm digging Rollins as champion, and he's great in his role as the chickenshit heel.

Having Undertaker join the Authority is a bit too much, but having Taker attack Lesnar for revenge for his family would make sense, as Kane can't stay with the Authority forever, and they've been teasing breaking him away for months now. Maybe getting Taker involved will be that catalyst.

 

[MERPER]

This whole situation, and the fact we're looking at Lesnar/Taker rematch at SummerSlam shows how awful and disgraceful WWE's writing team is.

You have the biggest attraction in any form of fighting... a machine... Brock Lesnar... who can feud with ANYONE and make for an entertaining match.

But you're going to waste his superior athleticism and strength on a rematch with a senior citizen liked the Undertaker?

This is just horrendous booking. You have Lesnar crush the Undertaker in a fair match well over 1 year ago and now Undertaker is going to be some menacing figure cause he can cheap shot Lesnar?

Would it have really been so hard to have Lesnar win last night and move on to a new feud and have Undertaker go after Rollins as some sort of payback for how he has treated his brother, Kane? Too ingenius for WWE's creative team to figure out?

Just brutal. Whoever writes WWE's scripts are just stealing paychecks from Vince.

 

[ASKane]

Just brutal. Whoever writes WWE's scripts are just stealing paychecks from Vince.

Do you really know that little about WWE?
In order for something to make it to TV or PPV Vince has to green light it so either he agreed to the segment happening or more likely was the driving force behind it. The writers are just doing what Vince wants, he is the one at fault for all crap WWE decisions

 

[Bernkastel]

This whole situation, and the fact we're looking at Lesnar/Taker rematch at SummerSlam shows how awful and disgraceful WWE's writing team is.

It's actually potentially good writing for a number of reasons.

You have the biggest attraction in any form of fighting... a machine... Brock Lesnar... who can feud with ANYONE and make for an entertaining match.

Not true. Lesnar has demonstrated that he can only have good matches with guys that can either match him physically or his technique, otherwise he'll just chuck his opponent around the ring with suplex after suplex in the same, formulaic, boring manner for about 10 minutes before hitting the F5.

But you're going to waste his superior athleticism and strength on a rematch with a senior citizen liked the Undertaker?

People rag on the Undertaker for his age, including me, but he proved at the last Mania that he can still go against a young, hard hitting opponent. And for that I say why the hell not? Kayfabe wise Taker is a guy that can match Lesnar's strength and technique.

This is just horrendous booking. You have Lesnar crush the Undertaker in a fair match well over 1 year ago and now Undertaker is going to be some menacing figure cause he can cheap shot Lesnar?

Lesnar didn't crush the Undertaker. Mania was a close, hard hitting match. If you want to see an example of someone crushing Undy, watch Khali vs Taker at Judgement Day. And of course Taker is going to remain a menacing figure even against Lesnar, because he's the damn Undertaker.

Would it have really been so hard to have Lesnar win last night and move on to a new feud and have Undertaker go after Rollins as some sort of payback for how he has treated his brother, Kane? Too ingenius for WWE's creative team to figure out?

Maybe, but then again Rollins wasn't the one that took his brother out by crushing his ankle with steel steps. Though I will admit that if Taker's beef extends to the fact that he lost at Mania 2 years ago that that's weak as fuck.