Christian/Orton others...good wrestlers?

[thedukeofpearls]

Seriously, what's so good about guys like Christian, Orton, Dibiase, Rhodes, Swagger, Edge, Morrison and Kingston.

As far as I'm concerned.

Christian- Doesn't hold my interest in matches, has that odd Jack Swagger shape and is extremely overrated. I could name at least 20 or so wrestlers who are much better performers.

Randy Orton- A shadow of what he used to be in his prime. Orton's put on some of the most boring matches and booked feuds ever. (His matches with Sheamus were the worst)

Dibiase- Or however you spell his name. This guy just reeks of mid card jobber. A modern day Scott Putski. I doubt if his character changed that he would be a more exciting wrestler.

Rhodes- Not bad when it comes to entertainment, but not a unique wrestler at all.

Jack Swagger- Too tall looking to pull off the Kurt Angle gimmick, and could've had a good push, but in my opinion, this guys looks doesn't match his character.

Edge- Whatever.

John Morrison- Anything he's done thus far in the ring HAS been done and executed much better by guys like AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, HBK amongst other high flying wrestlers. I feel that I will never again see his nice groundwork because of his spotting.

Kofi Kingston- Another spot fest wrestler, which is why I discredit his wrestling ability. Spots are easy to pull off is someone sells it rights, but what about ground game or charisma? This guy hops around like Ultimate warrior with a boom drop that wouldn't hurt a toddler.


Now, I'm not asking for "the attitude era" of wrestling to return, because it wasn't all that it was cracked up to be either, but my problem lies in how fans praise these guys as if they're doing much more than most wrestlers; and it seems that most are willing to point the finger at guys like Cena or Triple H for squash matches, but in all honesty, these guys do indeed possess more IT factor than the aforementioned. What makes this list of wrestlers unique in any way other than how their opponent sells their moves?

 

[Jay Sherman]

Lack of common sense...It Stinks.

If you have a problem with people getting praise do not join a forum. The people you chose lead me to believe this may be a troll attempt but to remain valid, I will defend one.

Christian.
Extremely overrated...maybe but he receives that praise for a reason. The man is top-notch on the Mic, fantastic in the ring (he carried ECW on his back) making Ezikel Jackson, Jack Swagger, Zack Ryder look legit. He connects with the fans young and old, can be a strong face or heel. He is so versatile its insane. Just an opinion though. I am a huge peep, and believe Christian if given the chance could be a huge ME player. I also realize Vince is not a peep so it may never happen, till then I will continue to enjoy the man as a highlight no matter where he is. TNA, ECW, RAW, SD. Whatever talent that good should never be ignored but oh well worse thing have happened.

 

[thedukeofpearls]

Lack of common sense...It Stinks.

If you have a problem with people getting praise do not join a forum. The people you chose lead me to believe this may be a troll attempt but to remain valid, I will defend one.

Christian.
Extremely overrated...maybe but he receives that praise for a reason. The man is top-notch on the Mic, fantastic in the ring (he carried ECW on his back) making Ezikel Jackson, Jack Swagger, Zack Ryder look legit. He connects with the fans young and old, can be a strong face or heel. He is so versatile its insane. Just an opinion though. I am a huge peep, and believe Christian if given the chance could be a huge ME player. I also realize Vince is not a peep so it may never happen, till then I will continue to enjoy the man as a highlight no matter where he is. TNA, ECW, RAW, SD. Whatever talent that good should never be ignored but oh well worse thing have happened.

Where in this thread did I state that anyone hasn't the right of opinion to state these guys are legit wrestlers?

Further, Christian's been the same wrestler for years now, and kept the peeps concept which is beyond dated.
I've liked Christian in the distant past, but now, he's shown not only the same set of moves, but lacks innovation that draws nothing less of a wrestler who'd need an opponent to sell for him.

What makes these wrestlers great besides what other wrestler sell for them?

I'd say close to nothing. Afterall, don't give me the bullshit that normal people couldn't pull off his moves, because more than 80 percent of wrestling fans would be able to with or without meager training.

 

[Murphy]

Christian One of the few great mic workers in WWE at the moment. He's good in the ring, tells a story. His only fault is his look. If Christian beat Kane in a match it just wouldn't be believeable, because he looks to small and skinny.

Ted Dibiase I agree, the guy might be decent in the ring, but he has no personality, and his gimmick does not suit him.

Edge Another guy that's very good on the mic. But not so much since his face turn unfortunatley. Also I try not to blame the PG rating for anything really. But I think Edge is one of the few wrestlers, who's mic work has suffered because of the change in rating. Edge just dosen't have the same freedom to play his character.

Kofi Kingston He's very athletic, but at the same time, he's very boring and as you said he has no charisma.

Is this thread made to respond to who you think is overrated? or should we metion who we think are overrated?

 

[O Shiz BP]

Overrated:
Dibiase is stuck floundering so they give him his Dad's belt, only to have an short pointless feud with Goldust that ended with...well nothing. They give him Maryse and play the whole spoiled girl and sugar daddy. The whole thing went nowhere so they broke them up...and then put them back together??...and then broke them up AGAIN??? Now he gets absolutely SMASHED by Trips and people can still think he has something special? Not anymore...hes been burried...

And In Defense:
Prime example of talent in comparison would be Cody Rhodes, who I believed after the breakup of Legacy would be the one to fail, and now I am EXTREMELY impressed with his work both with promos and in the ring.

 

[thedukeofpearls]

Overrated:
Dibiase is stuck floundering so they give him his Dad's belt, only to have an short pointless feud with Goldust that ended with...well nothing. They give him Maryse and play the whole spoiled girl and sugar daddy. The whole thing went nowhere so they broke them up...and then put them back together??...and then broke them up AGAIN??? Now he gets absolutely SMASHED by Trips and people can still think he has something special? Not anymore...hes been burried...

And In Defense:
Prime example of talent in comparison would be Cody Rhodes, who I believed after the breakup of Legacy would be the one to fail, and now I am EXTREMELY impressed with his work both with promos and in the ring.

Dibiase's one of those wrestlers if applied the right way could become a watered down version of Mr. Kennedy, although in all honesty, I doubt he's the charisma to attain such a title.

As far as Rhodes goes, I like his charisma, but he's yet to create something unique for himself in-ring other than his wild persona.

I always look for the uniqueness of wrestlers rather than charisma and what not. Afterall, there are many examples of guys without mic charisma or personality who are able to tell a great story in the ring.