CCS vs. The World

[Mighty NorCal]

his points werent justifiable within the bible though. that book is open to mass interpretation. you cant prove or disprove very much using it.



and yes, telling a mass group of people "if you dont do EXACTLY THIS THIS AND THIS YOUR GOING TO HEEEELLLL" does make you a menical whackjob

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

Did you bring any facts either Norcal? I don't remember reading anything. Polley's right.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Did you bring any facts either Norcal? I don't remember reading anything. Polley's right.

did I ever claim I did??? I said points and counter points. very little can be proven "fact" in conversations like this

 

[justinsayne]

He sounded like the psycho religious lady from The Mist, thank god we weren't all traped in a grocery store

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Oh it couldn't. Everyone would be banned elsewhere on the forum. And as for 'maniacal whackjob'... given I can guarantee that all his points are justifiable based on the Bible, I don't feel it's fair to label someone as a whackjob. Had he said 'God lives in a spaceshape and has commanded us to kill ourselves', then maybe.

Being WZ's resident theologian, I'll determine whackjob status. I haven't had time to read the whole debate yet, though.

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

did I ever claim I did??? I said points and counter points. very little can be proven "fact" in conversations like this

But wait.. Weren't you just talking about how he was trying to debate without facts, therefore making a fool of himself? You've gone and confused me.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I never said that once. you said he was using facts until he got pissed. then I said he used zero facts, at any time. Not sure how you could possibly be confused

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

Ah. Now that I go back and read it, you're right. Mostly. I said he tried to use facts, then started to just argue. But, you didn't say what I thought you said. I apologize.

 

[Father:_Polley]

Ok, you want a verse which could be used to justify then? And by justifiable I mean open to interpretation as possibly being where he was coming from.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and ****emongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

If you'd rather have Jesus parable about the Rich man, where Jesus himself mentions a man in hell, it's in there too.

Again... I'm pointing out these are not my words

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

Good job, Polley.

And about my post above. When I say he tried to use facts. They weren't the greatest, but still.. He tried.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

still untrue polley. man wrote the bible, and its many literations, which have been changed time and time again throughout the years. they sound like scare tactics to me.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

you REALLY think the bible has made it all these years without people changing it to benefit and support their cause??? dont be so naive

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

Man wrote the Bible, yes. But, it was the Holy Spirit inspiring man, telling them what to write. *Shrug*

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Man wrote the Bible, yes. But, it was the Holy Spirit inspiring man, telling them what to write. *Shrug*

and how can you be sure about that??? Faith is whats from god. religion is man made. you think god intended for folks to run around telling each other "belive EXACTLY LIKE ME OR U WILL GO TO HELL!!!" or kill each other over it?? no. of course not

 

[Father:_Polley]

still untrue polley. man wrote the bible, and its many literations, which have been changed time and time again throughout the years. they sound like scare tactics to me.

Dude, you know I respect you and am merely pointing out that from the oldest source of events that are around, and I'm aware of the translation aspect of it, but beyond that, it's the most reliable source.

Your choice is exactly that, I'm merely stating what it says. A wise person once said that's the point of a F*£&ing debate forum

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

I believe in what the Bible says. Simple as that. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

people will look you both right in the face, and tell you the same things about the Koran, and the jewish holy book. are they wrong?? is your book cooler and more holy than their book??? might arrogant of you. lat I checked, none of US are god, so who are you to swear by something so steadfast??? who are YOU to say whats right and wrong and say "well this is whats written in THIS book, its THE end all be all" what gives you such enlightenment to know that??

 

[Slyfox696]

From what i know , Nobody realy knows the exact time or day. Supposedly it happened during the spring. but we celebrate it in December.

Yes, generally April or May, or possibly September.

So, if it was in April or May or September, why do we celebrate Christmas (the day of his supposed birth) in December?

Keep in mind that I already know the answer, I want to know if you do.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I believe in what the Bible says. Simple as that. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

thats fine to feel that way, to place such trust in the book. but you have no place to tell others they are condemned based on a book that might not even be true. same with everyones religion. you know how I know a lot of religion is a crock?? becuase so much of it is steeped in money. do you think the lord on high gives a flying rats ass about money?? he is GOD for goodness sakes. I dont think he is broke. So that sound slike some stuff man thought up to benefit themselves

 

[Father:_Polley]

you REALLY think the bible has made it all these years without people changing it to benefit and support their cause??? dont be so naive

From recollection the Dead Sea Scrolls translations were for the most part near identical to the oldest previous manuscripts.

Now... I propose this theory to you. If there was a translation of Harry Potter 7 into Afrikaans where Harry died, would the rest of the world accept that copy as being an acceptable translation? No, because it differed from the original. Ok, yes there will be differences in words used, but the meaning will still be retained.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

the oldest previous manuscripts. which were also written by MEN. PEOPLE. thats the enitre point

 

[Father:_Polley]

Yes, generally April or May, or possibly September.

So, if it was in April or May or September, why do we celebrate Christmas (the day of his supposed birth) in December?

Keep in mind that I already know the answer, I want to know if you do.

We celebrate it in December to 'Christianize' the pagan festival of Saturnalia, which is where the gift thing comes from

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

Norcal.. I never said I was condeming anyone. I'm not CCS. And yes, I do have faith.

Polley hit the nail on the head here, again. ^^

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Norcal.. I never said I was condeming anyone. I'm not CCS. And yes, I do have faith.

Polley hit the nail on the head here, again. ^^

you guys are saying you can quantify points based upon bible verses. and im saying unless you allow that for ALL holy books, then your wrong.

 

[Mr. TM]

We celebrate it in December to 'Christianize' the pagan festival of Saturnalia, which is where the gift thing comes from

Also has to do with the winter solstice... Which before the calendar switch fell on the 25th