All right ladies and gentlemen.... I am done hearing about John Cena's inequities.

[patriotjay]

Well, Austin was basically forced to retire because of injuries and couldn't physically wrestle anymore (he probably can't even hit the Stunner). Austin gave many years to the business and he was considerably older than The Rock. I guess Austin wanted to go out on top, while he could still actually wrestle, rather than just go on making random guest appearances. As for The Rock, it's not that I didn't respect his decision, but I also feel like he used WWE to catapult himself into a Hollywood acting career. The funny thing is, I haven't liked a single movie that he's been in and he is yesterday's news now.

Back to Cena, I agree with you....his acting was limited to WWE films and was basically a "side project", whereas wrestling is what he knows and loves. Like him or not, you can see the passion and the energy he has for the business every time he enters the ring. I think that's why Vince chose him to be the top guy....his sheer workrate. So they packaged him into "Super Cena" and marketed him towards the younger audience - I don't really have a problem with that, because WWE is a business after all and if (as adults) we don't like Cena's gimmick, there are other wrestlers for us to cheer for (e.g. Orton, Jericho, Edge, Morrison).

Cena can cut an amazing promo, he can fire up the crowd (whether for him or against him) and his moveset is no less limited than others before him. Cena is not marketed as a "technical wrestler" and he's not a high flyer or a 6'11 300lb powerhouse. The fans who like him *expect* him to hit those moves in his matches and cheer for them.

As for the complaints, I've been watching wrestling for almost a decade and a half now and the complaints about Cena are EXACTLY the same complaints I used to hear about Rock, Austin and Goldberg. People will always find fault with the man at the top, rather than give him credit.

I agree with just about everything you said.I just feel like Austin should give back more I know dudes a cripple these days but he can still cut a promo like none othere even with the pg rating.To me its The Rock that needs to jump in the ring every so often and give back,atleast we got to see Hogan vs The Rock because Hogan was a wrestler and stuck around(too long probobly) but I feel like todays stars dont get to face yesterdays stars and give us those dream matches.Id love to see The Rock vs Cena but we'll never see it.But on the subject of Cena hes the biggest star since Hogan period.Im 29 and been watching wrestling my whole life I can remember being a kid at my Grandfather's house watching Hogan vs Bundy in a cage at WM2 and Im just stating the obvious nobody since Hogan has been the main draw for this long.Dude has been in the main event 95% of the time since winning the WWE title at WM21 and i cant see Orton main eventing every ppv for years on end without it gettin really old,the guy has half the charisma of Cena and is limited to boring interviews talkin bout hitting someone with an R K O its dull to me Orton should be a heel forever more.If anybody got a shot at the top spot its The Miz atleast hes entertaining and has boat loads of Charisma give em a couple years and you may have your next top face but for now its Cena and Cena alone.

 

[Hazardous]

so after reading through all of the posts in this thread.. some harder to get through then others.. i found a few things i had to quote and reply to.. here goes.

Yes, his character needs changed, but he has no control, yes his promos are getting stale, but he has no control

Yes, actually he does. Cena can tell vince at anytime that he wants a change, and Vince will do it for him. why? because he's the money maker, and you dont piss off the Money maker.

He does have the best mic skills in wrestling right now so i will give him credit for that

Not even fuckin CLOSE!! are you KIDDING? uhh Jericho? Punk? miles ahead of Cena promo wise. actually i took a Poll, and of current WWE employees, Jericho came out on top for the BEST promo man.

I was thinking about it,and John Cena hasn't won a match since Over the Limit.

and how many of those were one on one, fair matches with no interference?

Cena is not unbeatable. Bookers don't book Cena to be unbeatable. They book him as a guy who overcomes obstacles at all costs. You know who is booked as unbeatable? Taker. If there was Cena vs Taker. Kids would cry. Why? Because they'd know Taker would beat Cena. 1.2.3

Again, when was the last time Cena was pinned 1,2,3 in a FAIR match? and no, Undertake is booked to not lose at ONE event of the whole year, there are 2 or 3 PPV's that 'Taker has NEVER won at.

If you look at Austin he beat everyone. Because he was the rattlesnake. He even beat his biggest rival, the Rock twice as to not diminish his credebility. He beat The Undertaker which made him even a bigger unpredictable face. With respect for Austin, Austin had a little ego on him and he wouldn't job to people. Austin also became the most RR winner in the history of wrestling. Austin left his job because writers wanted him to job to a couple people. As an entertainer Austin was fantastic but as a pro wrestler there was times he was unbeareable.

He lost to the Rock in his last WM, lost to Bret, lost to a lot of people. not only that but he lost CLEAN matches too. got pinned a number of times. and there was no reason in hell Austin should have Jobbed to Brock Lesnar, he didnt deserve to beat EVERY top guy at that point.

Trips had more titles than Cena, he's still loved by most. He barely wants to Job to anyone that he isn't a fan of and is on his way to become a two or three time champion in order to surpass Flair.
Cena, is the most generous face of the company as of yet. He'll job to anyone, anytime. He'll also become a heel, he'll do anything for Vince. Regardless of how he'll be viewed by the IWC. He took on the botchfester Batista three times, took on Big Show, Took on Khali who could barely wrestler, Took on rookies and made them CREDIBLE as fuck (A la Nexus) and took a midcarder to greatness (The Miz).

Funny, but i think HHH took on almost all the same guys too.. and when did he take the miz to greatness? they had a tiny fued like a year or 2 ago.. if anything it was HHH and HBK who took the Miz to where he is, when he was part of MizShow.

Let's all face it its not John Cena the man the obvious majority has come to hate its his character. I've been watching wrestling sense the late 80's and have never seen a wrestler (try) and hold the same character as long as cena has. Other than hogan. Its been the same thing for sooooo long were all just flat out fed up with it

Undertaker. HHH. Kane. but it WORKS for those guys. they adapt, and change it up a bit here and there, stay fresh.

I think the problem is that the older, informed fans seem to forget that this is about entertainment, not necessarily realism. If it was realism-based, you'd have to be watching it on bootleg YouTube uploads from a cell phone. It wouldn't sell.

exactly, but if the majority of the crowd is being bored by it, then you're not exactly living up to the entertainment factor now are you?

But anytime The Rock shows up on WWEprogramming (once every two years these days) the crowd acts like dude didnt abandon the wrestling world.Cena loves the buisness probobly more then any other top star befor him,so I say give the guy his just due and accept the fact if Cena aint your favorite he cares more about the buisness then your favorite does ,and your favorite would leave WWE on the first thing smoking for an acting gig..

Abandon??? wtf does the Rock have to prove? he did it all, and there was nothing left, why should he have to be like another Hulk Hogan, or Ric Flair and go on his whole life, becomming a shadow of his former self JUST for you? no. im glad both Austin and Rock left when they did, they're bodies had enough, and the PG format dont fit either one of their characters. Good for Rock to do whats better for his family, not some ungrateful person who is mad that he stopped wrestling.

 

[patriotjay]

Abandon??? wtf does the Rock have to prove? he did it all, and there was nothing left, why should he have to be like another Hulk Hogan, or Ric Flair and go on his whole life, becomming a shadow of his former self JUST for you? no. im glad both Austin and Rock left when they did, they're bodies had enough, and the PG format dont fit either one of their characters. Good for Rock to do whats better for his family, not some ungrateful person who is mad that he stopped wrestling.

Ungreatfull?If anyone is ungreatfull its your boy Dwayne Johnson.We the wrestling fans bought the ppvs,the tickets,the t-shirts,etc made him popular enough to be recognized and then he turned his back on wrestling.The guy doesnt give a sh*t about the buisness or you the fan.Wrestling made The Rock then he made off.

 

[Hazardous]

again, what was there left for him, or austin to prove? they did it all, so why let them keep going and end up becomming stale and boring like Hogan and Flair? did you bitch when Brock left for the UFC too? it aint that wrestling dont mean nothing to them, it's just they did all they wanted to do, why should they have to stay after they thinnk they past their prime?

 

[patriotjay]

Nobody is saying for these guys to be regulars at this stage just to occasionally show up and show you still care about the buisness.More The Rock then Austin,Austin has showed up a few times I just miss dude on the mic.I actually think I was a little hard on Austin's choice to act he just cant go no more and if he could I think he would.But The Rock is a sell out and the whole nothing left to prove thing is weak its wrestling not the NFL you cant win a few predetermined titles and feel you've accomplished everything the buisness has to offer.Its sad cause he couldve been the best ever but didnt want it.

 

[Hazardous]

Cena loves the buisness probobly more then any other top star befor him,so I say give the guy his just due and accept the fact if Cena aint your favorite he cares more about the buisness then your favorite does ,and your favorite would leave WWE on the first thing smoking for an acting gig..

also that is not fully true. Undertaker is one of my favorites, he aint left for no acting gig, HBK never did either, he left because it was his time. something i dont think Cena will do. are you saying Cena cares more about wrestling then say.. ANY of the Hart family? Any of the Fatu family? any family that has been in the biz for generations? that live sleep and breed wrestling? and the Miz does just as much PR wise as Cena, oh, but he doesnt count now does he? just because Cena is your favorite, does not mean he Loves the "sport" more than anyone else ever. because that is not true in anyway. Hell, what if Vince Mcmahon is my favorite? you saying Cena loves the buisness more than Vince himself? i doubt that one 100%.

 

[patriotjay]

also that is not fully true. Undertaker is one of my favorites, he aint left for no acting gig, HBK never did either, he left because it was his time. something i dont think Cena will do. are you saying Cena cares more about wrestling then say.. ANY of the Hart family? Any of the Fatu family? any family that has been in the biz for generations? that live sleep and breed wrestling? and the Miz does just as much PR wise as Cena, oh, but he doesnt count now does he? just because Cena is your favorite, does not mean he Loves the "sport" more than anyone else ever. because that is not true in anyway. Hell, what if Vince Mcmahon is my favorite? you saying Cena loves the buisness more than Vince himself? i doubt that one 100%.

You just dont get it.Your naming wrestling families ofcourse they care about the buisness,I was stating that John Cena cares about the WWE more then any recent TOP star.Your over here naming midcard guys like the Fatu family,and the Hart family.Undertaker is a pheonom and Id never say anything about his loyalty to WWE but as much as I respect Taker he has never been the top guy,and Shawn Michaels was the top guy for 2 years in the 90s and hes loyal to WWE too.But when your talkin WWE number one guys its Hogan,Austin,and Cena guys who were without a doubt the guy.Cena is more loyal to the company then any top guy I can name with the exception of Bret Hart in his day.Cena is Vince McMahon's work horse a promtional machine that puts the company befor self and I just have to respect that and everyone else should to.If you love wrestling you should respect Cena.

 

[patriotjay]

also . Undertaker is one of my favorites, he aint left for no acting gig.

ROFL. yeah Im sure Hollywood agents are beating down Taker's door trying to get him in theyre next picture.I love Taker but Im sure the guy knows hes suited for acting like a dead guy in WWE and I heard hes real successfull in realestate..seriously

 

[Jonnie Walker]

I'm not saying I hate Cena, but I hate the same old boring routine. You mention HBK and the Rock but truth be told, they would lose cleanly and changed their character, and were miles ahead of Cena on the mic. Cena won't lose cleanly, seriously, name the last time he lost a match when his opponent didn't cheat or there wasn't an interference of some sort. I can't name any since his loss in the Rumble. And sure, even guys like Orton do a specific number of moves, but you can't forget that it's not after getting dominated the whole match. Cena's moves also aren't poowerful looking at all. Shoulder block, shoulder block, spin out powerbomb, fist drop with theatrics, Attitude adjustment, and sometimes the STF. Those shoulder blocks are weak looking, the spin out powerbomb is weak looking, he rarely connects with the 5 knuckle shuffle, the Attitude Adjustment is weak, and he messes up on the STF more than not. I'm sick of seeing him never put someone over cleanly, at least guys like HBK did. Cena is criticized because of the same routine that he does weekly, somber promo about he was so close to beating so-and-so if it weren't for the Nexus, makes fun of someone, gets angry, does a match, gets the shit beat out of him, does 5 or 6 moves, wins the match, everyone under 13 cheers, someone shows up and beats him up from behind, end of show. See how boring that is? Every week it's the same thing, and while I respect Cena as a person, as a wrestler I can't stand him. If he were to stop with his wannabe Hulk Hogan gimmick, maybe he would be liked, but Vince cares more about money than fan satisfaction, and Cena will probably never change, and as a result he will become liked less and less over the years.

 

[patriotjay]

Vince cares more about money than fan satisfaction

dont fan satisfaction equal money?Vince listens to the fans Orton is a face cause thats what the fans wanted,Miz is getting his push cause thats what the fans want,and believe it or not fans want Cena on top it may be young fans but kids love Cena and Vince knows kids buy merchandise and why screw that up for grown men that live in theyre mothers basements that wont buy sh*t anyway.The whole hating Cena thing is getting old.I can remember being a kid in the 80s and older guys saying how Hogan sucked and he was cheesy but the guy was Vince's number one for a deacade and nearly everyone that hates Cena now cheered Hogan as a kid,just makes no sense to me different things for different people I guess but we had our Hogan so let this generation have theyre Cena,And the "his interviews are the same" crap people say is stupid The Rock said the same thing week after week,Austin killed me with WHAT? WHAT? WHAT?,Hogan with his "whatcha gonna do?"but when Cena does it God help us all..give me a fn break.

 

[Jonnie Walker]

dont fan satisfaction equal money?Vince listens to the fans Orton is a face cause thats what the fans wanted,Miz is getting his push cause thats what the fans want,and believe it or not fans want Cena on top it may be young fans but kids love Cena and Vince knows kids buy merchandise and why screw that up for grown men that live in theyre mothers basements that wont buy sh*t anyway.The whole hating Cena thing is getting old.I can remember being a kid in the 80s and older guys saying how Hogan sucked and he was cheesy but the guy was Vince's number one for a deacade and nearly everyone that hates Cena now cheered Hogan as a kid,just makes no sense to me different things for different people I guess but we had our Hogan so let this generation have theyre Cena,And the "his interviews are the same" crap people say is stupid The Rock said the same thing week after week,Austin killed me with WHAT? WHAT? WHAT?,Hogan with his "whatcha gonna do?"but when Cena does it God help us all..give me a fn break.

Hold your horses buddy, I never said other people's promos weren't the same, but Rock and Austin's were better, and Hulkamania is more iconic than Cenation. We all know damn well Cena would have been heel by now if it weren't for how much money he makes in merchandise, and that Punk would still have his hair and Rey would be in the SES if it weren't for how much merchandise Rey sells or how much he bitches and whines backstage. At least Hogan, Austin, and Rock were heel at some point and they changed their character, Cena was heel for a short period of time, and he has been the same character for years. You can't tell me you aren't bored of the same old shit week after week after week.

 

[patriotjay]

Hold your horses buddy, I never said other people's promos weren't the same, but Rock and Austin's were better, and Hulkamania is more iconic than Cenation. We all know damn well Cena would have been heel by now if it weren't for how much money he makes in merchandise, and that Punk would still have his hair and Rey would be in the SES if it weren't for how much merchandise Rey sells or how much he bitches and whines backstage. At least Hogan, Austin, and Rock were heel at some point and they changed their character, Cena was heel for a short period of time, and he has been the same character for years. You can't tell me you aren't bored of the same old shit week after week after week.

Yeah Id like toi see the Dr. of Thugonomics back and maybe we'll get it,but its just the constant Cena sucks stuff that drives me crazy.Im a grown man I grew up with Hogan and loved Hulkamania but when I was a teen I loved the NWO heel Hogan. As much as Id love to see a heel change from Cena the WWE aint worried about what grown men want to see they care about what kids want I watch WWE with my 5 year old and she dont complain about Cena's doing the same old thing week after week.I guess it just aint about adults as far as the WWE top spot goes.Thats why we get our Undertakers,Ortons,edges to fill that need,personally I like Cena and have since I seen his first match against Prince Albert at the Dunkin Donuts Center in Providence back in 2002 when Cena was rockin those red trunks lol.Just like his work ethic and Cena brings that Hulkamania vibe to WWE which was missing for a while.

 

[billm75]

I thought about this for a while and read some of the newer responses, I have noticed something. Those complaining about Cena doing the "same moves, same promos, same schtick" are basically not hating on Cena, but the whole PG era which Cena represents.

"Hogan was iconic." Well, yeah, he was really the first to get over the way he did.

"Austin and Rock" were excellent on the mic. Well, yeah, they did that first in the attitude era.

"HBK would lose cleanly" Well, yeah, but as his career wore on, he didn't stick around for 2, 3, 4, years straight without a vacation either. You can't keep him flying high, undefeated, and then let him disappear without losing a few matches first. Plus, he had accomplished all he wanted to. He just enjoyed working.

Face it, Cena haters (dislikers if you prefer) don't care for him because he represents the end of the Attitude Era that most of them grew up with or simply grew to love. If not Cena, it could just as easily have wound up being The Rock, Austin, Triple H, HBK....etc. Just so happens, Cena does what he's asked, when he's asked and doesn't complain. He's extremely over with the target audience (kids) and the WWE is making a smart business move by capitalizing on that.

At your current age and this point in your life, how much merchandise are you blowing your money on? Enough to keep the WWE in the Attitude Era? Likely not. But the parents of those kids whom the PG Era WWE is catering to have plenty to spend to keep little Tommy happy in his Cena Shirt and Mysterio mask.

 

[TimAH]

The rock did get stale at times. One of the biggest differences that really makes me tired of the cena character is the consistency with which he over comes the odds. Sure the Rock was put up against some great odds from time to time and overcame them (and yes it was ridiculous at times) but I dont believe anyone has been put in ridiculous no win situations as often as Cena has, and he almost always comes out shining. Its annoying.

Id also say his promos are even more childish than the most childish promos the rock ever gave and they just come off as extremely cheesey because I really dont think hes a good actor compared to the Rock.

edit: So I kind of want to compare his situation to other sports. They way they treat the Cena character would be as if an NFL team had an in progress dynasty for several years and yet the media pushed every game like they were the underdogs who have little chance of winning. It was be completely absurd but its pretty close to what happens with Cena.

 

[cbreezy]

hes hated, hes loved, hes booed, hes cheered, but one thing about cena is for sure. he ALWAYS gets a reaction. it doesnt matter which one it is. when his music hits everyone is on their feet. hes one of the biggest stars the business has ever seen. the cool thing is he is already trying to build up the young guys. ya he kinda squashed miz last year, but look wat he did for swagger in the match they had in 09. look wat hes doing for barret right now. hes done more make a wish foundation stuff than anyone in the wwe ever has. he has never failed a drug test. he has brought nothing but good publicity to the wwe. ya u may boo him, but let me tell you something, he doesnt have a problem with it. he knows he has you in the palm of his hand

 

[Porter1989]

all cena lovers in here i suppose. get real his character suck. cant wreslte. wins every match. when he does lose it aint clean. no cena haters are going waste theit time cept me. but its a short post. ****.

 

[Hazardous]

Sure the Rock was put up against some great odds from time to time and overcame them (and yes it was ridiculous at times)

give 3 examples please. not doubting you at all, just cant think of any that were THAT great of odds.

all cena lovers in here i suppose. get real his character suck. cant wreslte. wins every match. when he does lose it aint clean. no cena haters are going waste theit time cept me. but its a short post. ****.

if you read through the posts, you'd see that there is actually a lot of us in here posting our dislike of the Cena character. so you lose.

 

[Taker_fan_92]

The trouble with John Cena is his character has gone incredibly stale, since it hasn't changed since 2006. Add this with his current move-set, which is limited to about five or six moves, and you have the rebirth of Hulk Hogan. What bothers me so much about Cena is that I know he can wrestle and put on a decent match. His heel gimmick on SmackDown was fantastic and it brought his mic skills and wrestling skills to their very best. His very first match in the WWE against Kurt Angle epitomises the fact Cena can wrestle, but nowadays does he choose not to? His standard of matches are he gets in a lot of offense early, then gets near destroyed for the majority of the match and then miraculously gets the win with five moves. Jericho vs Cena Monday night was an obvious example of this.

 

[The Man Of 1004 Holds]

I am not a big fan of john cena but for one simple fact and that are his recent promos. i have no problem with his matches as some can be very good while i agree some do become predictable but the way he fights fits his character by fighting back and not giving up. like a said my main problem are his promos. i dont understand why he dropped the gimmick that got him over rapping. i know the old stuff wasnt pg but he cud do comedy rhymes about opponents now and then or even just talk tough but recently he has been a bit of a dork my examples his email adress wasnt that candypants or summat and when he gets annoyed at the pcgm he says stuff like bannana muffin of something stupid that doesnt fit his character but just tryin to play for the kids and that is why i dont like cena atm.