Zack Ryder intentionally left off of RAW as a rib?

[Hollywood Naitch]

I think it was bullshit. There is obviously a fanbase for the guy and he was pumped up and desperate to show what he could do, after being told he could have a chance

Then it turns out to be a joke. I feel sorry for Zack, just a ******** thing to do

 

[The Dragon Saga]

I'm doing the exact same thing for Ryder that you are doing for DiBiase, insisting he is a better wrestler. So if you aren't a mark, then I am not.

No, you're taking most of what people are saying and immediately replying with the opposite. I am not. That is what makes you a mark. You're also over-exaggerating the guys ability, which I will now prove.

I've been waiting for this to be brought up. Yeah, it's true. And he actually got pretty good heatfor it. He was becoming a very over heel on ECW (not that it matters, no one was really watching the show closely) and was putting on solid-good matches every week. Then ECW ended a month or two later, he was shipped to RAW, and hasn't gotten a fair shot since. When Ryder gets a fair shot (as in mic time, matches, and wins: basically, a push) on a flagship show like Bourne, McIntyre, DiBiase, and others have, and bombs it they did, I'll accept defeat. But while he is still on Superstars and YouTube, doing a whole bunch of nothing after consistently impressing on a show that got canceled, while everyone says he is nothing before he evn gets a fair shot in front of a large audience, I won't quit.

The two lines I underlined. For one, he jobbed to Finlay on an episode of ECW, three weeks after he debuted. He didn't get any heat, I remember him coming about and doing segments with Rosa Mendes which would put people to sleep. Ryder's first win on ECW was against a jobber, his second was a battle royal to face Christian and that was his only solid match on ECW. I remember his match with Dreamer, and it was sloppy as hell.

Ryder didn't get much heat, and he wasn't having solid matches. He had to be missing something to become a jobber. People have said it in this thread, Ryder, was months ago, nothing. He became something due to his YouTube videos. Congrats to him and I wish him all the best, but stop making shit up, he is good on the microphone, he has a decent look and he has became a solid wrestler.

Those are my final words on the matter.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

So when he first started he wasn't good?

Find anyone from any job who is perfect when they first start.

 

[Remix]

So when he first started he wasn't good?

Three years after he first started he was terrible.

Find anyone from any job who is perfect when they first start.

Wade Barrett. Justin Gabriel. CM Punk. Sin Cara. All got over pretty damn fast after their debuts. I think that's enough. Don't you?

As for Zack Ryder, I'm not a fan. I despise his overzealous fanbase and his absolutely transparent ****ing on his youtube show.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

Three years after he first started he was terrible.



Wade Barrett. Justin Gabriel. CM Punk. Sin Cara. All got over pretty damn fast after their debuts. I think that's enough. Don't you?

Wade Barrett is all right as is Gabriel

They hyped the shit out of Punk & Sin Cara.

If they spent half the amounto of energy on Ryder as they did/do on theose guys he would have gotten just as over.

 

[Remix]

Wade Barrett is all right as is Gabriel

Which is approximately two leagues ahead of Ryder.

They hyped the shit out of Punk & Sin Cara.

Which shouldn't really matter once the unhyped party had 5 years to get over, in which time he associated with over people like Edge, Vickie Gurrerro and The Undertaker. If we ignore that time because he was a tag team guy, then he's had 2 years to get over, and nobody gave a flying fuck about him until he started his transparent ****ing. at which point he becamde a tragic martyr who was neglected and ignored by VKM.

If they bothered doing the same for Ryder at anytime then he would have gotten just as over as them.

You're saying that Zack fucking Ryder could get as over as CM Punk, and the second biggest draw in wrestling today? What the fuck are you smoking?

 

[Hazardous]

Wade Barrett. Justin Gabriel. CM Punk. Sin Cara. All got over pretty damn fast after their debuts. I think that's enough. Don't you?

Wait.. Kofi is called crap, and nothing but a spot monkey, yet Cara is good?

As for Zack Ryder, I'm not a fan. I despise his overzealous fanbase and his absolutely transparent ****ing on his youtube show.

You see it as ****ing, Others see it as entertaining. Isn't that what business he's in? Sports ENTERTAINMENT. He is entertaining the hundred thousand or so people who watch, since he doesn't get the chance to in the ring.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

You're saying that Zack fucking Ryder could get as over as CM Punk, and the second biggest draw in wrestling today? What the fuck are you smoking?

I'm not saying it would happen over night or even the next year but if given the mic time and match time Punk gets then Yes he could.



On a side note: you're so biased it makes me want to puke so this is the last time I will respond to you.

 

[Remix]

Wait.. Kofi is called crap, and nothing but a spot monkey, yet Cara is good?

Oh I'm not a fan of Sin Cara in the least. I think he's the definition of a spotmonky whose moves make no sence and has no idea how to work a WWE style match. However, I can't deny he's over as fuck, is a legitimate draw and has a hell of a lot more potential and upside than Zack Ryder. So yeah I mentioned him. I just forgot Kofi. I probably would have listed him too, seeing how ungodly over he is.

You see it as ****ing, Others see it as entertaining.

It's ****ing whether it's entertaining or not. He's occasionally funny, but he's pitifuly see through when he gets on his flipcam and uses in terms and jokes about how he's not pushed. He's moderately entertaining but that makes him no less of a ****e.

Isn't that what business he's in? Sports ENTERTAINMENT. He is entertaining the hundred thousand or so people who watch, since he doesn't get the chance to in the ring.

Good for him, he's got himself a (very annoying) fanbase by hook or by crook. Can't fault him for that. I can however fault him for just not being very good.

 

[Nate DaMac]

I can't take Remix seriously if he thinks Justin fucking Gabriel is over.

 

[shattered dreams]

Something I never quite understood about this Ryder phenomenon, how do those youtube videos suggest he would be a good professional wrestler?

 

[Hyorinmaru]

it's his wrestling that suggests he would be a good wrestler.

 

[Remix]

I'm not saying it would happen over night or even the next year but if given the mic time and match time Punk gets then Yes he could.

Call me when Ryder has a tenth of the skill on the mic or ring as Punk.

On a side note: you're so biased it makes me want to puke so this is the last time I will respond to you.

Works for me.

I can't take Remix seriously if he thinks Justin fucking Gabriel is over.

I'll put this simply. Justin Gabriel was the most over babyface on NXT1. He was also as over as fuck in South Africa (where being the hometown babyface doesn't apply seeing as pretty much everyone on the roster was from South Africa too). He may not be over at this very second, seeing as he's been associated with a stable which was pointless and irrelevent from its inception and hasn't done anything for longer than that time. But he has been over, and can get over again. Which is more than could be said for Zack Ryder before his Youtube show.

For the record, you're not the first person to stop taking me seriously because of my opinions. I get that a lot.

 

[shattered dreams]

Success with "his wrestling" has been minimal. Success on youtube has been noticeable. This is just a results oriented argument as I have never seen a match of his that I remember.

 

[Coco]

Wrestling skills are second if a guy generates interest, which Ryder has done independently. But I guess Vince doesn't like guys showing initiative like that. Best send the message to the rest of the boys that hard work won't get you ahead.

If this is true, I doubt anyone will be surprised at more evidence that Vince McMahon is an insecure, erratic prick.

 

[Hazardous]

Success with "his wrestling" has been minimal. Success on youtube has been noticeable. This is just a results oriented argument as I have never seen a match of his that I remember.

Check out last weeks RAW. He had a pretty good match with Kofi.

 

[Smooth Sexual Chocolate]

I'm slightly surprised to see so many people white knighting for Vince, using weak excuses like "this is the wrestling business" and "this is how it's been done for years". I'm pretty sure slavery was practiced for years too, but the times change, just like xfear said, wrestling has evolved.

 

[Coco]

I'm slightly surprised to see so many people white knighting for Vince, using weak excuses like "this is the wrestling business" and "this is how it's been done for years". I'm pretty sure slavery was practiced for years too, but the times change, just like xfear said, wrestling has evolved.

But he's seeing if these guys have what it takes, brother. So it's all good.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Something I never quite understood about this Ryder phenomenon, how do those youtube videos suggest he would be a good professional wrestler?

Charisma, which he's showing that he might have. The in ring skills (or shall I say fictitious assessment of what in ring skills actually are according to internet marks) are very unimportant, despite what the IWC may have you believe. Case in point: Daniel Bryan.

 

[shattered dreams]

I wasn't even really commenting on just in-ring stuff. Charisma is a good point to try and make but the character has to be applicable on a wrestling show. I am not sure the one he has made makes sense in that medium.

 

[Remix]

I'm slightly surprised to see so many people white knighting for Vince, using weak excuses like "this is the wrestling business" and "this is how it's been done for years". I'm pretty sure slavery was practiced for years too, but the times change, just like xfear said, wrestling has evolved.

As someone white knighting with the rest of them, I'm not. People will often just follow the company unless it's something they actually have an opinion about. See: the no blood rule, WWECW, various doghouse/heat/miscelanious backstage rumours etc.

 

[Coco]

I wasn't even really commenting on just in-ring stuff. Charisma is a good point to try and make but the character has to be applicable on a wrestling show. I am not sure the one he has made makes sense in that medium.

You lack of imagination doesn't negate that people are drawn to him.

 

[Nate DaMac]

I wasn't even really commenting on just in-ring stuff. Charisma is a good point to try and make but the character has to be applicable on a wrestling show. I am not sure the one he has made makes sense in that medium.

You could be completely right. His character may not work on television at all, but the operative word is "could." He could end up being one of the few guys on the roster who does get over. He just hasn't had a real shot yet. I just don't see any harm in giving him a little opportunity.

 

[El Rev sXe]

What I am understanding that in WWE you can't promote yourself outside the WWE itself, and you can't say shit about your business. You just gotta wait patiente until someday they will say "future enedeavored" or future push. If it's the case I aplluase Ryder for having some balls.

Oh and the big difference with Dibiase is that Ryder has an actual fan base.

 

[Remix]

What I am understanding that in WWE you can't promote yourself outside the WWE itself, and you can't say shit about your business. You just gotta wait patiente until someday they will say "future enedeavored" or future push. If it's the case I aplluase Ryder for having some balls.

Oh and the big difference with Dibiase is that Ryder has an actual fan base.

Thing is, you can have balls and not do what Zack Ryder did, which is what Vince took offence to. Take The Major Brothers becoming the Edge Heads, Zack Ryder creating his current gimmick, Wade Barrett pitching the Nexus invasion or Stone Cold coming up with... Stone Cold.

I don't give a damn who was right or wrong about this. All I know is that I don't give a fuck about Zack Ryder, and in some ways I think it would be a good thing if he got released.