That was cack, Jericho should never gone over them, the resulting reign was lukewarm at best and lead to Triple H having his worst WrestleMania main event until 25. I can't imagine Vince saw that as getting much of a return on his investment.
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That was cack, Jericho should never gone over them, the resulting reign was lukewarm at best and lead to Triple H having his worst WrestleMania main event until 25. I can't imagine Vince saw that as getting much of a return on his investment.
Women, The Great Khali, The Big Show.
Whoa.. You're forgetting his WM match with Warrior.
EDIT: Nevermind, I re-read it and saw you said Main Event
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He said main event.
And Jericho still brags to this day about it, so he's proud of his reign, whether it have been decent at best or not. Hell, he titled a book after it, he must still bask in the glory of his achievement.
And Jericho still brags to this day about it, so he's proud of his reign, whether it have been decent at best or not. Hell, he titled a book after it, he must still bask in the glory of his achievement.
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Still never saw why they just didnt have Stone Cold vs. Rock for the undisputed title. Stone Cold vs. HHH at WM would have been awesome.
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He's relevant again.... kind of. More talented than Ryder? No. More relevant? Absolutely.
More popular than Ryder could ever hope to be.
Is he dictating what WWE do with him? No. Is he telling Vince how to write storylines? No. What he's doing is trying to create a bit of hype for himself. He got the shit. He was the lowest of the low a few months ago. But then he made something for himself. If anything, he should be rewarded for showing initiative. He's not bitching and moaning. He's just trying make a name for himself.
I call bullshit. He could have kept up with his internet tirade WITHOUT mentioning the way WWE was utilizing him. His Long Island Iced Z show was fine. His tweets were tolerable. His request for fans to bring signs of him to live shows was actually brilliant. But once he mentioned his opinions on the WWE "missing the boat" and other suggestive comments, he pissed Vince off.
Once again, great idea but bad execution.
Horse shit of the smelliest degree.
First of all you show a complete lack of understanding of what Vince is punishing Zack for. Ryder has never at any point in his show claimed he was better than anyone else, ask for a title shot, or even really said anything other than that he wanted to be on Raw or Smackdown.
And secondly, if he kept his mouth shut, he'd be in far worse shape than he would be today. Before he started this show he was nothing more than a comedy jobber. Since he started this show, though, he's made it onto Vince's radar. He's still a comedy jobber, but you said it yourself, Vince could change his mind about guys in a heartbeat, and he's a lot closer to getting some sort of push now than he was before he started making this show.
Bitch and moan in public? It's become quite obvious that you've either never watched an episode of Z! True Long Island Story, or you're exaggerating skills match those of the WWE and their 10 million Monday Night Raw viewers.
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Could it not have been Ryder vs Sheamus rather than Santino?
Drew McIntyre, Evan Bourne, Vladimir Kozlov, Ted DiBiase, David Otunga, Mason Ryan, Heath Slater, Joe Hennig, Zeke Jackson, Great Khali, Big Show, and he is at least on the same level as Kofi Kingston, Santino Marella, Jack Swagger, and Dolph Ziggler. I could argue realistically he is better than everyone except Dolph I listed, as well.
Not even joking you're honestly just like...a terrible person if you think what Vince did here is cool. Or atleast an extremely immature one. This is NOT professional at all. This is bush league shit. Ryder is doing the same shit to get over on his own that guys like Jericho did before him.
I think you and me are the only two who really get how bad it is.
If I were to hazard a guess (and I would struggle to be more ignorant on this topic), I would suggest that the WWE are not punishing him for criticizing the company or the creative process, but rather for going into business for himself.
Rider has a job with the WWE, and that is to be an enhancement talent heel. Repeat: heel. He is not paid money to get pops from the crowd or be a comedy character, he's supposed to help the babyface get over. Rider is failing in this regard.
To offer a counter example, if a heel randomly starts doing a load of highspots in the middle of a match then he's going to get the fans to start cheering for him... but that is not what he is paid to do.
If Rider wanted to be a babyface comedy character then he should probably have gone through creative, cleared the change and then started his whole viral campaign. As it is, it looks suspiciously like he may have gone into business for himself and been punished for it.
That's assuming that any of the information that has come out surrounding this issue is in any way true of coarse.
Rider has a job with the WWE, and that is to be an enhancement talent heel. Repeat: heel. He is not paid money to get pops from the crowd or be a comedy character, he's supposed to help the babyface get over. Rider is failing in this regard.
To offer a counter example, if a heel randomly starts doing a load of highspots in the middle of a match then he's going to get the fans to start cheering for him... but that is not what he is paid to do.
If Rider wanted to be a babyface comedy character then he should probably have gone through creative, cleared the change and then started his whole viral campaign. As it is, it looks suspiciously like he may have gone into business for himself and been punished for it.
That's assuming that any of the information that has come out surrounding this issue is in any way true of coarse.
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The underlined people are not below Zack Ryder.
Drew McIntyre gets nothing but praise from a portion of the IWC, his problem is the fact that he got his push taken away for shining a bad light on the WWE with the Tiffany arguement and he sucks on the microphone. He's still a better performer than Zack Ryder, Ryder has better microphone skills.
Evan Bourne made me laugh. How can Ryder be better than Matt Sydal? I love how the Ryder marks always go on about how Ryder was worked so hard, yeah he has, but Matt Sydal has worked three times as harder in his career. Look at the size of him. He shouldn't be in the WWE, but he is because he deserves to be. He's a better wrestler than Ryder, Ryder once again has better microphone skills.
Ted DiBiase worked his ass off in Japan learning the trade, the guy is much better than people give him credit for. He's a great wrestler, better than his father, he's decent on the microphone, him and Ryder have something to relate too. Neither can get a push. Once again, Ryder is not a better wrestler than Ted DiBiase, he's better on the microphone.
And Big Show?? Really? Zacy Ryder is better than a guy who has over ten years experience, has held like three World Championships and has been one of WWE's most notable characters for over a decade. Ryder isn't a better wrestler than Show, when taking Show's size into account and he's barely better on the microphone.
Zack Ryder has microphone skills. And before I get the evident, "Have you watched his shit on Superstars, bro?" Question. Yes, yes I have. He has improved, but saying he's better than guys like DiBiase and Sydal is flat out exaggerating the situation.
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Yeah Gelgarin, but it's not his fault fans like what he does. When in character himself, he acts like a douche, and stuff with Cena and thanking the fans for watching his show are the only two face behaviors I can get from him. If the fans pop for him, it just shows they like him and want to see him. He was just trying to get his name out, he wasn't trying to turn face.
I'm in too.
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Drew's better.
Difference between not having proper competition (small guys), and not being talented. He's better than Ryder, and he's over.
Crowd reaction says otherwise.
Much, much better in the ring than Ryder, and his last name is DiBiase.
I said "featured." If Otunga were a featured player, like he was 6-9 months ago, I would agree.
Punk's bodyguard, and he's a physical monster. No way Ryder should take TV time away from this guy, no matter how terrible he may be.
You got me here.
Maybe.
Fans say otherwise. He's over.
More talented, but Khali is a monster. That automatically (in Vince's eyes) makes him more important. Not to mention he's a former WHC.
Big Show is a legend in the wrestling business. Don't kid yourself.
No, he isn't. And that's coming from someone who cannot stand Kofi Kingston.
Seriously? Santino is one of the most over guys on the entire roster. Ryder isn't half the natural character Santino is.
Swagger has proven his worth in the ring. Ryder hasn't.
See Swagger. Actually, don't. Ziggler is miles ahead of Ryder, in every aspect of the game.
Who would have thought a Zack Ryder thread would lead to so much bullshit? Everyone? Okay then.
But seriously, if Ted DiBiase was as good as you say he is then he would have shown it by now. The dude has been given countless opportunities to stand out, and he has failed literally every time. I never saw the appeal of Ted DiBiase, and I still don't. I can't think of a single person in the WWE that is worse on the mic than Ted DiBiase, and that includes Heath Slater. I also can't remember the last time he's done anything even remotely impressive in the ring. A lot of the people Sign Guy named were in fact much better and more worthy of a push than Ryder, but DiBiase is among the names of folks that should make way for the Ryder Revolution.
I wouldn't know, I don't even know what the man looks like, lat alone the specifics of his show.
However for the purposes of this discussion I watched an individual episode of Z! True Long Island Story (who says I don't put effort it?) on youtube and came to the following conclusion:
either Zach Rider was attempting to turn face, or he is a complete incompetent with no idea how to work a heel character.
McIntyre and Ryder are about the same level ring wise, but Ryder has mic skills over him. Since this business requires mic skills to be succesful, Ryder is better.
I won't argue in the least Bourne didn't work hard to get to the WWE but everyone really does. Admittedly, his ring skills were already good, but they haven't improved since he debuted in the E, where as Ryder's has. And he has done nothing since getting to the E to try and get a push, where as Ryder has. Bourne is nothing more than a guy with little personality who should be where he is right now for life. In wrestling, you have to be able to talk. Sure, fans in tuned in to see the match, but there is no reason for the match if there isn't a backstory/feud behind, which is why Bourne will never be able to develop a good feud while Ryder can. Which is why Ruder is better.
I'd say they are both equal in the ring, and Ryder is way above him on the mic. DiBiase is the product where if he had debuted as a mid-card wrestler in 2006 or 2007, he'd be in great shape, but today there are so many stars like Bryan, Rhodes, Truth, Riley, Ryder, Ziggler, Kofi, and other are better, so he cannot get a decent break. If he keeps improving and working and is able to stick around, he'll get something someday. But he is not on Ryder's level.
I'll let you have this one. I was wrong here, but Ryder entertains me more.
No, it's really not.
I answered to this argument already. See?
No need to go into it again.
Listen, I never said I would high-five Vince for what he did. I just said I know why he did it.
Not at all, man. I think it's fucked up. But this is always the way Vince has kept his guys in check. He really pours it on when he needs to get his point across.
And once again, Gelgarin speaks gospel.
I didn't even think about this aspect but, you know what, he's right. Regardless of how badly Ryder wants to get over, he needs to make the right decisions when he goes into business for himself. Although his methods have been successful, they've been successful from the standpoint of a babyface when he is anything but.