Zack Ryder intentionally left off of RAW as a rib?

[Hyorinmaru]

I think everyone is flipping out because it's being called a "rib." I would rather call it a "lesson." Ryder is bashing his own company on a public platform. Do you honestly think Vince would allow him to succeed after doing it? Vince is a powerful man, especially in the company that Ryder works for.

A lesson would be something along the lines of just saying "no you won't be on the show because you bash my company on the internet."

All this is likely to do is make Ryder Bash Vince/WWE more than he did before.

 

[D-Man]

A lesson would be something along the lines of just saying "no you won't be on the show because you bash my company on the internet."

So, what you're saying is that Ryder bashed the entire WWE as a whole, including Vince McMahon (since he is the head of creative) on a public forum in the form of the internet, and Vince is supposed to just slap him on the wrist and ignore it all? I could totally see where Vince is coming from.

All this is likely to do is make Ryder Bash Vince/WWE more than he did before.

If he values his job he should probably not do that.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

So, what you're saying is that Ryder bashed the entire WWE as a whole, including Vince McMahon (since he is the head of creative) on a public forum in the form of the internet, and Vince is supposed to just slap him on the wrist and ignore it all? I could totally see where Vince is coming from.

No Vince is supposed to just tell him No you won't be on the show. Not tell him everything he wants to hear and even have a fake script done up only to have it not happen.

Vince is coming off as a man who does not give a shit about the majority of his employees.

 

[D-Man]

No Vince is supposed to just tell him No you won't be on the show. Not tell him everything he wants to hear and even have a fake script done up only to have it not happen.

Vince is coming off as a man who does not give a shit about the majority of his employees.

I guess this is why you don't own a multi-billion dollar company. When someone bashes the company you own, your integrity, and your decision making, it might deserve a bit of reciprocation. Especially in the business of pro-wrestling where egos are par for the course and testosterone runs wild.

Ryder needed a slice of humble pie and Vince gave it to him. Was it drastic? Probably. But this is how Vince has always done things.

 

[Muffin Top Merkley]

So, what you're saying is that Ryder bashed the entire WWE as a whole, including Vince McMahon (since he is the head of creative) on a public forum in the form of the internet, and Vince is supposed to just slap him on the wrist and ignore it all? I could totally see where Vince is coming from.

Does that mean that Vince will no longer be booking Steve Austin, CM Punk, Bret Hart, Chris Jericho and the other countless people who have trashed the company?

 

[X]

Have you guys even watched his videos? Do you even know what this "bashing the WWE" really was? Bad puns and jokes. Nothing even remotely serious or hard hitting. John Cena and several others top WWE wrestlers have made much more vocal and serious criticisms of the WWE on Twitter and Facebook and never received any sort of bullshit punishment for it like this.

 

[D-Man]

Does that mean that Vince will no longer be booking Steve Austin, CM Punk, Bret Hart, Chris Jericho and the other countless people who have trashed the company?

Are you seriously putting Zack Ryder on the same level as those men??

There's your difference.

 

[D-Man]

Have you guys even watched his videos? Do you even know what this "bashing the WWE" really was? Bad puns and jokes. Nothing even remotely serious or hard hitting. John Cena and several others top WWE wrestlers have made much more vocal and serious criticisms of the WWE on Twitter and Facebook and never received any sort of bullshit punishment for it like this.

While I agree with you to an extent I guess Vince takes it differently from his midcard talent than he does from his main event talent.

 

[shattered dreams]

WWE creative process is all about control. It is an important part of their business model. They cannot have everyone not getting pushed go on youtube for a few weeks and then give them the keys to the company. This was a lesson in who is in charge and a message to those thinking of trying this route in the future. If Ryder understands that now and wants to get on board with their ideas going forward they will capitalize on what he has "accomplished." If he wants to whine like a bitch on the internet about it then they know it isn't a good idea to push him. Thus far I'd assume he isn't whining on the internet and maybe his fans should do the same.

 

[Muffin Top Merkley]

Are you seriously putting Zack Ryder on the same level as those men??

There's your difference.

I knew this would be the only argument made.

No, I'm put putting Ryder anywhere close to them, but you can't say

I guess this is why you don't own a multi-billion dollar company. When someone bashes the company you own, your integrity, and your decision making, it might deserve a bit of reciprocation. Especially in the business of pro-wrestling where egos are par for the course and testosterone runs wild.

and then saw its ok for people who have been alot harsher regarding the company and the product to be able to speak out.

Even Austin was a midcard talent, before he was given the chance.

I really don't care if Ryder was on Raw or not. He was on Superstars (I think) so wouldn't that have been enough for the live audience looking to see him)

 

[Nev]

What I don't get is why some people are almost saying this is the end for ryder and his future in the WWE is practically finished.

I'm willing to believe that, in knowing the report isnt 100% true, that perhaps this is just a obstacle on the road for the young man or as one poster put it -- a "lesson". I refuse to lead myself to believe that his "dreams" are "teared away". I mean, c'mon, did the guy really believe it? It was his home town and all, but despite his popularity there would they really randomly just have him "turn face" against probably some jobber? I know the WWE has had many illogical pushes in the past but characters need some growing & time into their character before you give a random superstars scrub unknown to the casual fan a "push" (although he was obviously well known in the arena). If the plan was for ryder to get some air-time as a jobber, or hell work a solid match and get a pin, I get it. That's a plausible and reasonable 'push' in the right direction. But a big-time "push" and "face turn"? If he truly gave into that, even with the aurora of the show's location, then I'm not nearly as remorseful.

 

[D-Man]

I knew this would be the only argument made.

No, I'm put putting Ryder anywhere close to them, but you can't say


and then saw its ok for people who have been alot harsher regarding the company and the product to be able to speak out.

Even Austin was a midcard talent, before he was given the chance.

I really don't care if Ryder was on Raw or not. He was on Superstars (I think) so wouldn't that have been enough for the live audience looking to see him)

Muffin, I hear you loud and clear. But no matter what you think, there is a huge difference between guys like Austin and guys like Ryder. Austin spoke out about the WWE after he was established. Its unfair, but guys that earned their spot get a little bit more rope to hang themselves with than guys like Ryder do.

It appears that Vince made an example of him, and rightfully so. He finally got a chance to use his power to shut his employees up with their company bashing without punishing any top talent.

 

[ABMorales787]

Ryder should be lucky he didn't end up like another internet show host for trying to go off on his own. Isn't that right, MATTHEW?

 

[shattered dreams]

So Ryder is currently a heel when on superstars or whatever? If he is then I could certainly see some frustrations with his off tv activities building himself up as a face.

 

[TSG]

I see we have a lot of over sensitive people here. Didn’t you guys ever play pranks on any of your buddies? This is far from bullying. And the Mark Henry thing? What was so bad about that? That was about as tame a rib as there could be. I don’t know how Ryder or Henry feel about any of this, but if this is something they’re crying over they wouldn’t have lasted a week in the business 20 or 30 years ago. I still say if this happened to someone like Dibiase you guys would be singing a different tune and claiming it was a good rib.

Here is the thing though. It is low to tell anyone they're going to get TV time, a match and promo, and a turn on the flagship show of the company. On a highly advertised three-hour episode in their hometown, none-the-less. Then literally during the broadcast, as their family and friends are more than likely all in the building, to tell the guy is isn't happening, it was a joke. That's sad. He thinks he has a chance to shine, show of his character ability, he has a script in hand, plus stuff in mind he could probably ad-lib onto it, use to add to the promo, etc. This is his one shot to break out, in front of his hometown, none-the-less. I don't care if this happened to Evan Bourne in St. Louis, it's still low.

And another thing is, it just wasn't any nobody. It was the one guy who was given a character that is stupid as hell and should have NEVER succeeded, and decided to dedicate time to improving on the mic and in the ring to the point where he could gain a few fans and could work a good match in ring and work the crowd. He then figured since he still wasn't getting his shot, he'll dedicate time each week to Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube to create creative posts and a freaking webshow, which gains over 100,000 fans each episode. Plus this earns publicity for WWE as well, as they advertise WWE and get people to watch hoping to see Ryder, even a glimpse of him, and it sell his merchandise which he plugs on the show, making more money for the WWE without even trying.

And after all of this dedication and hard-work, he finally thinks he has the chance to shine like he clearly knows he can and he...is ribbed. He gets nothing what-so-ever. Imagine if that's you? Your soul and spirits are crushed. Right there. And you're embarrassed to boot. Real classy. I mean seriously, it's low doing it to any old mid-carder, and it'd still be reason to be upset, but this is someone who worked harder than the rest of them to establish a character that is worse when looked at on paper, who gets half the TV time and promotion from the company. Who is arguably more charismatic than half of them. So that escalates it somewhat in my eyes. There is just no class in it what-so-ever.

 

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This whole Ryder issue sounds like something that in two years, people will laugh about how overexcited the IWC got over some lowercard jobber.

 

[TSG]

I think everyone is flipping out because it's being called a "rib." I would rather call it a "lesson."

Ryder is bashing his own company on a public platform. Do you honestly think Vince would allow him to succeed after doing it? Vince is a powerful man, especially in the company that Ryder works for.

I don't condone what Vince did but I know exactly why he did it. So for all of you fanboys that are crying bloody murder, remember that Ryder brought it upon himself.

EDIT: That is, IF any of this is true.

Have you ever even seen his webshow dude. The only things he said bad regarding WWE were little skits (which there have only been like three of) saying "This is the WWE. This is Zack Ryder on a boat. *slams a shovel down by the boat* "This is WWE missing the Boat with Zack Ryder." It's always something to that effect. They're just funny little skits that mean nothing what-so-ever, and the most it call for is for Vince to tell Ryder "Sorry, you won't be on the show tonight. It's because of your skits on your show regarding the WWE, and I want you to not involve them in your show anymore." And then maybe job him out on Superstars. It call for nothing like this, and if this was a "lesson" and not just a joke, I might even be more disgusted.

 

[TSG]

Ryder should be lucky he didn't end up like another internet show host for trying to go off on his own. Isn't that right, MATTHEW?

Well, if he always does end up right that, I guess he could just go main event in TNA. He could probably win the title his first night, he gets more web show views than TNA sells tickets.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

I remember in one episode, he was trying to climb over a fence, which was symbolizing the fact that he couldn't "get over", he also kept saying, "I'm trying so hard, but it's as if I can't get over."

That isn't exactly a bash at the WWE. But WWE make the decisions, if they didn't want Ryder on the show, they didn't want him.

He made Superstars, so it could have been worse. He couldn't have appeared at all.

 

[Blue Chipper]

I didn't know Vince was capable of these brilliant acts of deviousness.

 

[TSG]

I remember in one episode, he was trying to climb over a fence, which was symbolizing the fact that he couldn't "get over", he also kept saying, "I'm trying so hard, but it's as if I can't get over."

That isn't exactly a bash at the WWE. But WWE make the decisions, if they didn't want Ryder on the show, they didn't want him.

He made Superstars, so it could have been worse. He couldn't have appeared at all.

Yeah but the trying to get over comment had absolutely no WWE bashing to me. I'm sure you could relate the two, but I didn't really see it as such.

Yeah it could have been worse. But you're missing the point, he thought he was going to be on RAW as well. They had gave him a script, time slot, and everything. At least he got to appear, sure, but he was made to think he was getting what would be the near equivalent of a spot on the upper card of Mania to anybody else and had it pulled away DURING the show. It's so un-classy it's hard to find words for.

 

[TSG]

I didn't know Vince was capable of these brilliant acts of deviousness.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Screwjob

Never doubt Vince's deviousness. What he did to Ryder is a knock-knock joke compared to that.

 

[Blue Chipper]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Screwjob

Never doubt Vince's deviousness. What he did to Ryder is a knock-knock joke compared to that.

True. True.

 

[D-Man]

Have you ever even seen his webshow dude. The only things he said bad regarding WWE were little skits (which there have only been like three of) saying "This is the WWE. This is Zack Ryder on a boat. *slams a shovel down by the boat* "This is WWE missing the Boat with Zack Ryder." It's always something to that effect. They're just funny little skits that mean nothing what-so-ever, and the most it call for is for Vince to tell Ryder "Sorry, you won't be on the show tonight. It's because of your skits on your show regarding the WWE, and I want you to not involve them in your show anymore." And then maybe job him out on Superstars. It call for nothing like this, and if this was a "lesson" and not just a joke, I might even be more disgusted.

This is semantics and purely opinionated. While you might view it as a stupid joke that means nothing, Vince views it as a direct jab at the creative decisions of his company (which are really his decisions... let's face it) and like I said earlier, since he is head of creative, he has all the right to be pissed off about it. Ryder has been riding his internet high-horse for long enough. It's time that somebody knocked him off.

But remember, Vince also told Chris Jericho TO HIS FACE that he was dogshit and then pushed him to the main event scene less than a year later. Sometimes, Vince pushes a guys buttons and puts him on the verge of extinction just to see if said person will stay dedicated to the company and their craft. Once they prove they can rise above adversity within the company, Vince pushes them.

 

[TSG]

But remember, Vince also told Chris Jericho TO HIS FACE that he was dogshit and then pushed him to the main event scene less than a year later. Sometimes, Vince pushes a guys buttons and puts him on the verge of extinction just to see if said person will stay dedicated to the company and their craft. Once they prove they can rise above adversity within the company, Vince pushes them.

I agree, but you cannot agree as well this is an incredibly low and un-classy way to go about it.