WZCW Discussion Thread
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Not sure I'd totally agree with that Falk, if there is no Main Event I'd say its because we're swamped, not because everyone is suddenly periphial.
We've still got Showtime, Drake and Kurtesy, and even though when they were the ME scene, along with a bit of Holmes, I always thought there was others on their level who for whatever reason didn't get the recognition.
I could probably name 7 or 8 people who could beat Barbosa for the World Title tommorow, the three names above included obviously, but one wonders what more a Saboteur has to do before he is considered main event? Or Zues? Fact is they could take down anybody, the three names above included. We don't want to be like the NWA, making Sting and Lex Luger pay their dues when everyone can see they're good enough.
Or by the time we eventually do recognise how good Rush is, the guy is burnt out and leaving.
We've still got Showtime, Drake and Kurtesy, and even though when they were the ME scene, along with a bit of Holmes, I always thought there was others on their level who for whatever reason didn't get the recognition.
I could probably name 7 or 8 people who could beat Barbosa for the World Title tommorow, the three names above included obviously, but one wonders what more a Saboteur has to do before he is considered main event? Or Zues? Fact is they could take down anybody, the three names above included. We don't want to be like the NWA, making Sting and Lex Luger pay their dues when everyone can see they're good enough.
Or by the time we eventually do recognise how good Rush is, the guy is burnt out and leaving.
DarksideEric
Call me "Hadouken." I'm ââ fierce.
I'd personally like that.
To be honest, I'm still not fully sure if I should extend my RPs in presentation (such as writing them script like) or add more depth with bigger paragraphs in order to help push Jon's career along.
I think I've hit my stride on the character, especially with how I finally revealed a good deal of backstory, carrying that ball though I'm not sure which I should do in terms of making my RP stronger.
Viola Moonlight
I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW
I feel guys like Showtime & Titus are at a point in their careers where they are exempt from the tier system. They can be inserted anywhere on the card and they will fit nice and snug without affecting their characters.
Examples - Titus has been competing for the mid-card titles for a while and Showtime was apart of the tag team division a while back. Neither of them felt out of place and once it's all over, no matter how low on the card they go, you can give them a World title opportunity next round without feeling too awkward.
Touching on Drake - he's stepped down slowly from the ME since Kingdom Come so I wouldn't consider him a top force any longer. It's probably not a good thing for Drake but a great opportunity for others to take his position.
Maybe its me being here constantly for at least four years but guys like Saboteur still don't feel like they are a solid fixture in the main event. Don't get me wrong, JGlass is excellent and has beaten a lot of people to get to this point but to me, being apart of a very successful tag team doesn't get you anywhere in the singles division. It gives you a great platform (and considering Saboteur, it was a bigger platform than most) but he needs that one big victory or performance to convince me he belongs in the main event as a permanent fixture. His match against Vega felt like too upper midcarders fighting it out to break through the glass ceiling and because that match is now effectively null & void with both guys entering the Cell, I don't feel like one guy has gone over the other and are still clashing heads as they make their way into the PPV.
Dr. Zeus came in and beat me in a high level feud, which is pretty good considering I've always gotten the final victory in every feud I've been involved but he's going to need something to kick him over the edge. Winning the Elite X title and having a successful run would be many steps in the right direction but right now, it's probably a bit too early to call Zeus a main event guy.
Viola Moonlight
I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW
Well, if you feel you've established a good backstory, why not work on the character and take him on a journey to develop a new chapter in his life?
When I first started as Kurtesy, I ignored most of my backstory to follow the fun doctor gimmick and I had a ball. Then, when I turned heel, I turned Kurtesy into who followed prestige and put himself on a pedestal. I turned face and became a spiritual monk.
However with yourself, you can utilise your backstory and personality traits by picking a particular few and branching off into a new story.
Well, the old guard always fear the new blood.
See, at this stage, for me the only difference between Drake/Kurtesy and Saboteur/Zues/Vega, is that Kurtesy lucked into a world title shot (no offence, twas the roulette round, after all) and while I was horrified that Barbosa wasn't still champion at that point anyway, Kurtesy won it, to your credit. And Drake punched a woman, and won that match, to his credit, but he was the first eliminated from KFAD at Kingdom Come.
But before you were afforded your chances to do that, everybody probably said the same about your characters that you're saying about the current lot now. Never mind that Saboteur is going into his third year now and is white hot. And Vega just did the double over Titus. The iron is hot, its time to strike. [Freudian slip lol] Or they could end up in the boat that Rush ended up in. Wasted potential.
DarksideEric
Call me "Hadouken." I'm ââ fierce.
Yeah, I have that in mind to do.
Really I'm just not sure on the how for presentation to make my RPs better and a lot stronger.
Many people, like Dagger (whose RP I really enjoy) and Barbosa write it out like a play/movie script. Fallout, who I think is amazing, writes it more novel style. I've been trying to do a combination but I'm not sold on myself making that combination style coming off as strongly as the script or novel style.
I think Jon's a great character and I've definitely moved him away from the dullness he was at the beginning, but how to present further growth is still on the table for me.
If any of that even makes a lick of sense.
Viola Moonlight
I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW
I personally don't regard myself as a main event guy. The only time I would accept that would be the events heading into and lingering from Kingdom Come IV (up until I lost the title). Apart from that, I've been hanging around the (upper) midcard for the most part.
I'm not sure what you mean about striking now what the iron is hot. I get the quote but Vega & Saboteur are striking right now and have a chance to break through. One excellent performance or showing during a match and both of these guys will convince me on being top dog. That's all it takes.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that Saboteur/Vega and the lot aren't capable, I just feel they need that one last push.
As long as the RP is legible and easily to follow, presentation shouldn't necessarily matter. It's more about the content contained with the RP.
To me, I detest Barbosa's presentation but that didn't really come into a factor when I was judging his RP's. His was legible and the content was excellent.
Dan Severn's Moustache
Patent Pending
Seriously, whatever works for you. I use a novel template because I think it's better for descriptive writing, but I can also see good reasoning to use a script template too.
I read a lick of everyone's RP this week (couldn't knuckle down properly this week) and I liked yours. I'll give you some full feedback on the weekend.
Just like pretty much everyone in the fed, you're better than you were when you started.
Man, there's no right or wrong way to RP, when I first started out it was simply always a case of make the next RP better than the last, write naturally what comes to you, and make an effort to make it stand out and unique, as opposed to any specific style.
I always try to include quirky characteristics and recognisable body language, the running theme of S.H.I.T RP's being that, and Barbosa was the first to pick up on this, but that S.H.I.T is the straight man in a mad world.
I always think, keep crack-a-lacking at what I said in the first paragraph and all the other shit will follow.
DarksideEric
Call me "Hadouken." I'm ââ fierce.
Hmmm. Well hopefully this next round goes well, I have an idea rolling around in my head that continues to stem off of Haiku's advice from the podcast that pushes Jon towards the direction I wanted him to go. There's a few things I'm debating about though with myself so I hope it works out.
Weell, we sort of agree, the only difference is I am already sold and going balls to the wall for these guys, putting my hard earned reputation on the line. It's why I am not against Runn getting another shot, or even two, and wouldn't be against Saboteur, or Vega or Zues getting the same, since I think they've already proven they are at that level.
I think my biggest fear is what used to happen, in that it'll just be a one off thing in a multi man match, before the inevitable slide down and multiple midcard title shots and feuds and potential burn out and all that, which is why I find teiring people in an E-fed dangerous, and wanted to address your lack of ME point in the first place, since ME guys can seemingly get away with loss after loss and get a title shot or be a focal point, while the people reaching up seem to be kicked back down after one failure.
Which brings me full circle to what I said originally actually, in that the fed is the best its ever been in that respect. And if they don't take the chance, fair enough, they'll have to wait it out, move onto other projects and see if it comes full circle, like it did with Barbosa. I just think the worst thing you can do with people teetering like Saboteur and Vega is slap a mid card title on them, to make them "prove themselves" again. Like I say, that's why I bought up both Rush and Kurtesy, sort of an example of what happens when someone gets an opportunity vs when they don't.
Well, to be fair, comparing Barbosa's reign in the Main Event is similar to that of Ty Burna's reign, with the exception of Showtime and Everest during that point, he faced people that were considered upper-midcarders too like Gordito, Barbosa (at the time), Kurtesy, Reynolds and Dave. Three of those guys became World Champion after that reign and I definitely say that Dave was like Jericho as Undisputed Champion, he had the gold but wasn't solid enough as a Main Eventer (not to mention my schedule messed around with my RPing which lead to the reign ending and me leaving).
In the end, WZCW will always have an upper-midcarder scenario facing the World Champion because everyone will always build until they peak to become the top guy. The reason Showtime and Titus are considered legends is because they play with the same level Everest does, they can feud with anyone and it will be a great feud to have. I loved feuding with Lee, Showtime, Ty and Michigan because they helped establish Dave by helping me raise my game from feuding with them. I will also give a nod to Funkay because he was great to feud with, but Dave was already established by the time we did, still a great person to compete against.
There's definitely guys on this roster who can definitely provide the same capabilities that the guys mentioned above can do, and Falkon is probably right that the push is needed, Gordito became hot because of the Gold Rush Tournament, The Beard is someone in a similar vein to that and I'll be interested to see how his scenario pans out, along with Vega, Ricky Runn and Saboteur.
Given how often HIAC and The Chamber crop up for shows, I do wonder when the last TLC match was because that is a match type that would be awesome for Unscripted. I still have fond memories of the Tag Title TLC Match from All or Nothing '09.
In the end, WZCW will always have an upper-midcarder scenario facing the World Champion because everyone will always build until they peak to become the top guy. The reason Showtime and Titus are considered legends is because they play with the same level Everest does, they can feud with anyone and it will be a great feud to have. I loved feuding with Lee, Showtime, Ty and Michigan because they helped establish Dave by helping me raise my game from feuding with them. I will also give a nod to Funkay because he was great to feud with, but Dave was already established by the time we did, still a great person to compete against.
There's definitely guys on this roster who can definitely provide the same capabilities that the guys mentioned above can do, and Falkon is probably right that the push is needed, Gordito became hot because of the Gold Rush Tournament, The Beard is someone in a similar vein to that and I'll be interested to see how his scenario pans out, along with Vega, Ricky Runn and Saboteur.
Given how often HIAC and The Chamber crop up for shows, I do wonder when the last TLC match was because that is a match type that would be awesome for Unscripted. I still have fond memories of the Tag Title TLC Match from All or Nothing '09.
Thriller Ant
Beep Bop Boop
Clearly the answer to all of this is hotshotting Illapa to the main event.
The 3 faces of Thriller!
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doesn't know REAL wrestling...
Well, there has been a lot of in-depth chat in here.
Exactly what it is about I am not sure but as my name has been mentioned a few times I would guess that it is about "someone" secretly writing two characters as the reason for SHIT not getting a world title shot...
As an aside, could anyone on Creative or Harthan himself tell me if my extended PM reached the system for evisceration/consideration?
Exactly what it is about I am not sure but as my name has been mentioned a few times I would guess that it is about "someone" secretly writing two characters as the reason for SHIT not getting a world title shot...
As an aside, could anyone on Creative or Harthan himself tell me if my extended PM reached the system for evisceration/consideration?
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doesn't know REAL wrestling...
There hasn't been that many HIAC matches outside Unscripted.
Indeed, to my knowledge there has still only a single one-on-one match in the Cell. The build up had singing and everything.
Барбоса;4754181 said:
Well, I did mean how often they take place as an annual event, like EC is for KFAD, and HIAC has turned into a tradition for Unscripted. Also, that HIAC you mention was the only one to take place outside of Unscripted as well, t'was a good match!
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doesn't know REAL wrestling...
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doesn't know REAL wrestling...
In WZCW, Hell in a Cell is tame compared to a Texas Deathmatch anyway
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
Барбоса;4754231 said:
Not unless its a literal Hell inside a cell. And by that I mean an Inferno Match combined with a Cage match.
