Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Possibly Undertaker. No title reighns though. HBK possibly either, same problem though.
WWE's Wrestler of the Decade...Thus Far
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Papa Shango
Frontman of the WZ Band!!
Triple H has had only a handful of good matches in his career, most of them in the 90's. And most of his good matches THIS decade have included wrestlers of a much higher caliber. HHH has only pulled hiw weight in one gret match, against Mick Foley, Street Fight Royal Rumble 2000. Eight and a half years ago. Their HIAC match? Foley made Trips look like a million bucks but letting him completely dominate him in that match. WMX-7? Carried by the Undertaker. Summerslam 2002. Completely overshadowed by HBK, a guy who hadn't had a match in nearly five years. WM XX, the only thing he contributed to that match was tapping out. HIAC vs. HBK, again made great by HBK and a hell of a lot of violence. And not one single great match since then. Since 2004.
That may be because his quality of worked started to deteriorate once he joined the family.
Austin didn't join the WWE until 1995. The Rock didn't come around until 1996. What's your point?
Let's look at HHH's HIAC matches, shall we?
vs. Mick Foley- already told you my opinion on that match.
Six-Man HIAC- I honestly don't remember a single thing HHH did in that match.
vs. Y2J- Decent match. Nothing special, especially considering it was such a big match.
vs. Kevin Nash- Awful. Really just awful. Almost as bad as the one w/ Taker and the Boss Man.
vs. HBK- already gave my opinion on that match
vs. Batista- Completely forgetable. HHH ended his HIAC "winning streak" in order to put over Big Dave. Woo... hoo.
with HBK vs. Big Show and the McMahons- almost as bad as the one with Kevin Nash. Granted, they had to work with Vinnie Mac AND Triple H. Still, you had HBK, who is always phenomenal, Shane-o-Mac, who's great in this type of hardcore matches, and Big Show, who is also very good at getting hardcore. Big Let-down.
And just pointing this out, since you seem to have forgotten, but Cena DID do the STFU with his torn pec. He made Kennedy tap. He then went on to get beat down by Orton after the match, including a chair shot and an RKO onto a table.
To say something that stubborn, thick-headed, and unobjective, is, ironically, the most foolish thing you said in your post.
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
Benoit had 1 title reign. He was at main event status, then shuffled back into the U.S. Title picture. Thus, Benoit is completely irrelevant in this discussion.
Papa Shango
Frontman of the WZ Band!!
Ummm... NorCal, HBK held the World ttle for a month in 02, and Taker has been World Champion three times this decade. In fact, he was champ earlier this year, remember?
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
NorCal has been taking some new diet supplement that I recommended...he might be having some side effects
Papa Shango
Frontman of the WZ Band!!
Actually, I think it's just NorCal doesn't recognize any World Title reign besides HHH's.
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
Wait.... so people don't vote for Cena because he didn't do much during the first few years of the decade? By that logic, I guess Hogan wasn't wrestler of the decade for the WWF in the eighties, huh? Come on now. No wrestler has done more for the company this decade than Cena. No one.
And as far as HHH goes, he had a great year in 2000, but that's it. All his title reigns since 2002 came from kissing ass and fucking his boss's daughter, not because he deserved it or because it was best for business to have that belt around his waist.
And as far as HHH goes, he had a great year in 2000, but that's it. All his title reigns since 2002 came from kissing ass and fucking his boss's daughter, not because he deserved it or because it was best for business to have that belt around his waist.
SuperSwanton
Dark Match Jobber
yeah I didn't really want to say that I just got myself excited.
Triple H's HIAC matches weren't as bad as you said they were just not good compared to lots of others which is what you did. To refresh your memory in the 6-man HIAC the biggest thing he did was Pedigree The Rock onto the car. That match I do believe he was carried by the others. his match with Shawn Michaels was good but HHH is good with working in violent matches(not better than everyone though so don't get all pissy).
How so? not just looking at the PPV's. Just because he botched the Pedigree like 500 times
I thought John Cena injured his pec. when he got the RKO on the table? if he didn't then when did he?
Papa Shango
Frontman of the WZ Band!!
His pec tore on a botched hip toss during the match. When you watch it, you see Cena almost immediately react, and clutch his arm. You him, Kennedy, and the ref kind of do a quick, silent convo, then they immediately go to the finish.
Steamboat Ricky
WZCW's Living Legend
It was during a move with Kennedy. WWE constantly showed Orton giving him the RKO through the table so that it would put heat on HIM for "injuring" Cena. It was really Kennedy. Watch it on youtube.
AnthonyMango/NoFate007
A Post Is Worth A Thousand Words
Even though I was on my wrestling hiatus from 2000-2006, I think I've done my research and caught up enough to warrant posting in this thread, lol.
From what I've gathered through this time, contention is amongst only the following people, in no particular order on this list:
1) HHH
2) John Cena
3) HBK
4) Undertaker
5) Edge
6) Kurt Angle
HHH has been pushing himself as the greatest thing to walk on God's green Earth and has thusly found himself champion more times than anybody else.
John Cena...its tricky. He's been a boom for the past few years, but he wasn't here in the early section of the decade. I think if we did a 2005-2015 decade span (and if things were going the same way they've been with him) then he would hands down be the winner, no questions asked. If he keeps up his pace, nobody will be able to take that honor from him.
HBK ends up being a great contender for damn near every category lol. But if you think about it, this guy may not have been a really long running WWE champ or something this decade, but he's constantly being put in the show-stealer feud. He was the safety-pin for the entire DX sections, he had his feuds with HHH/Angle/Cena/Rated RKO/Jericho/etc. He's also continued to try to help out younger talent, which is admirable, but is permanently etched into the main event scene as a challenger that could win any title at any time and it would seem legitimate.
Undertaker and HBK are pretty much in the same boat. They've sort of transcended the title in many respects. Back in 90s, the WWE was built around "main title feud, IC title feud, tag title feud, Undertaker's feud, and a few extras", and nothing has really changed. Undertaker and Michaels are either the main event or they're the Hogan/Sid of the ppv. Plus, Taker's had more title reigns in the 00-08 era than before.
Edge has come a long way. When I stopped watching wrestling in 99, he wasn't taken seriously, but I always thought he was really cool. Now, he's the top heel in the company. You could make the argument that he's only been big enough for this designation for the past 2 years or so, but then you have to also take into account his slow climb. Hasn't he been involved consistently in title scenes (and winning most of them) for tag team and midcard championships all throughout 00-06? This guy's earned the respect of management so much that they gave him the first Money in the Bank and allowed him to defeat their #1 guy (albeit lose right afterwards), and they trusted him to take it from Kennedy later on, now he's headlining WrestleMania and he's got an entire show (Smackdown) on his shoulders.
From what I hear, Kurt Angle was huge. Haha. Obviously, statistically, he's had championships and been a main event level guy very early on. However, at the same time, he's been missing from the WWE for a few years, and you shouldn't count anything he's done in TNA if you're doing a "WWE's Wrestler of the Decade". What he's accomplished in the WWE definitely puts him as a possibility for this list, but anything after doesn't count.
All in all...I'd have to say that its a toss-up. HBK/Undertaker for their streamlined "A-" type of status in the company (because A+ would be world champion) and Edge for his consistent climb to being one of the 5 top dogs in the entire WWE. I can't in good conscience count Cena because of his time-frame (despite how much of an impact he's made in such a little time) or Angle, and I think HHH would be in a much better position to run away with it if he wasn't criticized so often and so heavily for backstage politics, which has and will forever put a damper on anything he accomplishes.
From what I've gathered through this time, contention is amongst only the following people, in no particular order on this list:
1) HHH
2) John Cena
3) HBK
4) Undertaker
5) Edge
6) Kurt Angle
HHH has been pushing himself as the greatest thing to walk on God's green Earth and has thusly found himself champion more times than anybody else.
John Cena...its tricky. He's been a boom for the past few years, but he wasn't here in the early section of the decade. I think if we did a 2005-2015 decade span (and if things were going the same way they've been with him) then he would hands down be the winner, no questions asked. If he keeps up his pace, nobody will be able to take that honor from him.
HBK ends up being a great contender for damn near every category lol. But if you think about it, this guy may not have been a really long running WWE champ or something this decade, but he's constantly being put in the show-stealer feud. He was the safety-pin for the entire DX sections, he had his feuds with HHH/Angle/Cena/Rated RKO/Jericho/etc. He's also continued to try to help out younger talent, which is admirable, but is permanently etched into the main event scene as a challenger that could win any title at any time and it would seem legitimate.
Undertaker and HBK are pretty much in the same boat. They've sort of transcended the title in many respects. Back in 90s, the WWE was built around "main title feud, IC title feud, tag title feud, Undertaker's feud, and a few extras", and nothing has really changed. Undertaker and Michaels are either the main event or they're the Hogan/Sid of the ppv. Plus, Taker's had more title reigns in the 00-08 era than before.
Edge has come a long way. When I stopped watching wrestling in 99, he wasn't taken seriously, but I always thought he was really cool. Now, he's the top heel in the company. You could make the argument that he's only been big enough for this designation for the past 2 years or so, but then you have to also take into account his slow climb. Hasn't he been involved consistently in title scenes (and winning most of them) for tag team and midcard championships all throughout 00-06? This guy's earned the respect of management so much that they gave him the first Money in the Bank and allowed him to defeat their #1 guy (albeit lose right afterwards), and they trusted him to take it from Kennedy later on, now he's headlining WrestleMania and he's got an entire show (Smackdown) on his shoulders.
From what I hear, Kurt Angle was huge. Haha. Obviously, statistically, he's had championships and been a main event level guy very early on. However, at the same time, he's been missing from the WWE for a few years, and you shouldn't count anything he's done in TNA if you're doing a "WWE's Wrestler of the Decade". What he's accomplished in the WWE definitely puts him as a possibility for this list, but anything after doesn't count.
All in all...I'd have to say that its a toss-up. HBK/Undertaker for their streamlined "A-" type of status in the company (because A+ would be world champion) and Edge for his consistent climb to being one of the 5 top dogs in the entire WWE. I can't in good conscience count Cena because of his time-frame (despite how much of an impact he's made in such a little time) or Angle, and I think HHH would be in a much better position to run away with it if he wasn't criticized so often and so heavily for backstage politics, which has and will forever put a damper on anything he accomplishes.
agentsmith22
Dark Match Jobber
So wiat, are we basing this on actual talent, or title reigns and whoever they want to push? Because if it's purely based on having great matches it's Shawn or Edge. If it's based on wearing the strap it'd be triple h. I personally think Triple H is capable of putting on 5 Star matches, however it's usually the other person who's carrying it. Plus, at this point I honestly don't feel like having the belt for him, as a face, is good for business. The only thing that it's good for is keeping the current fan base; old fans won't want to tune back in to see him because its the same old stuff, and newer fans will probably not be that impressed by his work, because at this point he's been very mediocre. Edge or shawn are always in great matches, I only eliminate Kurt because he's with TNA right now. As far as the undertaker is concerened, everybody respects him and hes certainly one of the most recognizable wrestlers of all time, but I always feel like there is someone who is just a little more of a star than he is, in every era. Whether it be Hogan, Austin, Rock, Cena, etc. I'd def give him superstar of the century though haha.
SuperSwanton
Dark Match Jobber
So thats Lashley and Cena? maybe thats why Kennedy's not in the main event, Vince doesn't want him injuring all his ME's
My vote goes to Cena. It's close between him and HHH, very close, but by the time the decade is over and done with, it will be Cena who is remembered as the wrestler of the decade.
For HHH, the first 18 months of the decade were the best 18 months of his career. He actually lived up to his nickname during that time. He really was "The Game". However, ever since he came back from his first quad injury in 2002 he's been nothing more than average. With Austin and Rock gone, it was clear that HHH wasn't that great of a draw on his own. There wasn't really that one top guy that was carrying the company like Hogan and Austin did in the past. Until one man came along. His name is John Cena.
Cena's first couple of years was about climbing up the ranks. But by the time 2005 came around, he was the WWE's most over superstar and its biggest draw. And it's been that way ever since. He had undoubtedly the best title reign of the decade (and the longest) when he held the WWE title for over a year (giving it more credibility than it's had for 10 years), while having great matches with many opponents. He has made a bigger impact than anyone else this decade, and he's still getting better. It wouldn't surprise me if he's the wrestler of the next decade as well.
John Cena, Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels and Kurt Angle would make up my top 5. Followed by Edge, Chris Benoit, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio and Batista (who is underrated).
For HHH, the first 18 months of the decade were the best 18 months of his career. He actually lived up to his nickname during that time. He really was "The Game". However, ever since he came back from his first quad injury in 2002 he's been nothing more than average. With Austin and Rock gone, it was clear that HHH wasn't that great of a draw on his own. There wasn't really that one top guy that was carrying the company like Hogan and Austin did in the past. Until one man came along. His name is John Cena.
Cena's first couple of years was about climbing up the ranks. But by the time 2005 came around, he was the WWE's most over superstar and its biggest draw. And it's been that way ever since. He had undoubtedly the best title reign of the decade (and the longest) when he held the WWE title for over a year (giving it more credibility than it's had for 10 years), while having great matches with many opponents. He has made a bigger impact than anyone else this decade, and he's still getting better. It wouldn't surprise me if he's the wrestler of the next decade as well.
John Cena, Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels and Kurt Angle would make up my top 5. Followed by Edge, Chris Benoit, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio and Batista (who is underrated).
Papa Shango
Frontman of the WZ Band!!
Except that I didn't say Kennedy tore Cena's pec. I said Cena tore his pec in a match with Kennedy on a botched hip toss. Don't be changing my words for your benefit.
*stamp*
ASS
Also, Lashley had that shoulder injury LONG before his match with Kennedy. He was putting it off getting surgery because he was getting pushed in his ECW title program with Vince. So really, it's Lashley fault for continuing to compete with an injured shoulder.
*stamp stamp*
DOUBLE ASS
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ASS
Also, Lashley had that shoulder injury LONG before his match with Kennedy. He was putting it off getting surgery because he was getting pushed in his ECW title program with Vince. So really, it's Lashley fault for continuing to compete with an injured shoulder.
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DOUBLE ASS
Gifted Music
Occasional Pre-Show
To say Triple H would only have been WWE Champion because he was related to the McMahons is like saying "Well... Randy Orton only won the World Title because Wrestling is fake".. It's completely a one sided argument.. Shane McMahon is Vince's son..I didn't see him winning the WWE Championship. Noone can look at Triple H and say he didn't make the most of his opportunity.. And that's all it was.. An opportunity.. Vince has heavily favored guys in the past and then suddenly lost faith in them(Kurt Angle, anyone?)..Who's to say Triple H wouldn't have suffered the same fate regardless of his marriage?
Now.. As far as "WWE Superstar of the Decade" award... It's tough.. Triple H, The Undertaker, Edge, Rey Mysterio, Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton, John Cena, Batista, all deserve consideration.. Eddie Guerrero would aswell had it not been for his unfortunate death.. Same for Chris Benoit.. But i'm gonna have to go with Triple H.. He's won countless world championships, made stars out of Batista and Randy Orton. He led Evolution for damn near two years as RAW's top stable.. Then reformed DX a year later and proved he could be a top heel and a top face. Now he's currently the WWE Champion and the top face of Smackdown.. In order i'd probly have to go with..
1) Triple H(Intercontinental Champion.. World Tag Team Champion w/Stone Cold..Multiple time and current WWE Champion)
2)The Undertaker(former World Heavyweight and WWE Champion..WCW Tag Team Champion w/Kane..WWF Tag Team Champion w/Kane and more importantly, undefeated at Wrestlemania.)
3) Edge(multiple time WWE and World Heavyweight Champion.. WWE Tag Team Champion w/Christian and Rey Mysterio and Hulk Hogan.. World Tag Team Champion w/Randy Orton and Chris Benoit.. King of the Ring winner.. Multiple time Intercontinental Champion.. United States Champion during inVasion.)
4)John Cena(World Tag Team Champion w/Shawn Michaels..United States Champion.. Multiple time WWE Champion.. Record of 4-1 at Wrestlemania.)
5)Batista(Multiple time World Heavyweight Champion.. Multiple time World Tag Team Champion w/Ric Flair..)
6)Randy Orton(Youngest World Heavyweight Champion.. WWE Champion.. Longest reigning Intercontinental Champion.. World Tag Team Champion w/Edge.)
7) Rey Mysterio(WWE Tag Team Champion w/Edge, Eddie Guerrero, and Batista.. Multiple time Cruiserweight Champion.. World Heavyweight Champion.)
8)Shawn Michaels(World Tag Team Champion w/John Cena.. World Heavyweight Champion. Had memorable feuds with Rated RKO, Chris Jericho, Evolution, aswell as Triple H.)
9) Big Show(not many put him but he was WWE Champion twice I think and ECW Champion and tag champion w/Kane)
10)Chris Jericho(I know he missed two years but he was still first ever Undisputed Champion, tag team champion w/Christian, Chris Benoit, multiple time Intercontinental Champion)
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Matt_360
Guest
Brock Lesnar, in his rookie year he won the King of the Ring, the WWE title, the Royal Rumble, and won the WWE title in the main event of Wrestlemania.
Lesnar may have had the best two year run out of anyone in the WWE, but having two good years does not constitute wrestler of the Decade. Now you can make the argument, and I would make it too, that if Lesnar didn't leave the WWE, he wins, and wins in convincing fashion.
FozzyRocks05
Dark Match Jobber
Obviously wrestler of the decade is none other than Santino Marella!
FozzyRocks05
Dark Match Jobber
Ok last post was totally a joke honestly in my opinion wrestler of the decade has gotta be Edge! He has come a long way and carried lately the smackdown brand (a very boring brand might i add to watch) GO EDGE!
I can't give the wrestler of the decade to HHH. For quite a few reasons. As someone stated earlier, on his own, he's not a huge draw. He's a true fan's champion and a true fan's wrestler in my opinion. But wrestler of the decade should be someone both true fans and just casual fans enjoy watching whether they be a face or heel and is a public figure in more than just the ring. As much as it pains me to say it, enter John Cena. He carried the company during the time last year of many many injuries (i.e. Undertaker, Triple H, Edge, etc...) I think to be wrestler of the decade, Triple H had too much time off to lick his wounds and mend his injuries. Sure he's been champ many times over the course of the decade, but until his win at Backlash, when was the last time he was champion? (the 2 hr. reign at No Mercy not included) It was 3 years ago when he lost to Batista at WM21. To be honest, I see this reign to be Triple H's last reign for a good while. But i'm not going to get into that. Back to Cena, love him or hate him, he's known by many, loved by many, hated by many, but his face is everywhere and is the closest thing this decade to a new powerhouse in terms of popularity (good and bad) as The Rock or Austin. So that being said, including their work outside of the ring (because you know it crosses people's minds), Cena is the winner hands down. But if it's just theirr work within the ring, I think Cena, Edge (he is by far the most improved of the decade), and Kurt Angle are the candidates. And since I am also a TNA fan, and I know it's probably stretching it a little, I would love to think that AJ Styles receives some consideration no matter how large or small. I've never seen somebody be so innovative in the ring and take more risks than this man has in some of his matches. The only other person that has done such things this decade would be Edge.