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WWE Night Of Champions - Chris Jericho VS Randy Orton

Jack-Hammer

YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
As with Reigns vs. Rollins, WWE.com has announced that Y2J will take on The Viper at Night of Champions.

Somewhat ironic really in that this bout, which once would've been capable of headlining just about any ppv, is ultimately just a match designed to get both guys on the card. Given Orton's unprovoked attack on Jericho in the locker room, I'm a little surprised this match is happening. With Jericho's knee "injured" and the "injury" being further aggravated because of Orton's attack, I would've thought it was a way of writing Chris Jericho off TV.

It should still be a pretty solid bout all in all and I'm thinking that Orton picks up the win and this will be the last we see of Jericho, at least until it's time for WrestleMania season.
 
I don't see the point in Jericho and I'm seeing less of a reason for Orton to still be around these days. It's a nothing match.

Y'know what I appreciate? When guys get left off a PPV for a month so when they're on the next one they feel less samey and slightly fresher. Orton could easily have the night off.
 
I don't see the point in Jericho and I'm seeing less of a reason for Orton to still be around these days. It's a nothing match.

True. The thing is, I believe management has allowed Randy Orton to sit on the back burner for awhile....and they're getting ready to feature him again.

Why?

Well, it could be because they desperately need someone to oppose Brock Lesnar, presuming he's going to be around more than he has been.....which stems from the recent rumor that Brock will appear in more PPVs than previously.

If so, they'll need guys to face him, and Randy Orton has the size, reputation and toughness to fill the bill. But he's been languishing in the Authority's basement for some time now, and they have to make him once again appear strong.

After losing cleanly to Roman Reigns at Summerslam, the two "tied" in a singles match this past Monday. In the skits, Randy seems to be getting Triple H's attention once more. They're boosting him up again.

For this PPV, Chris Jericho is the perfect rep-stacking opponent for Randy; Jericho is a multi-time world champion, he has the rep, he gives a great show every time out.....yet, he's in the phase of his career in which it doesn't matter if he jobs, which he seems agreeable to doing. Beating Y2J will fortify Randy's new push.

So, Randy beats him.
 
I'd love an Orton Vs Lesnar feud and at least Orton has reclaimed some of his past glory as of lately...Didn't he lose to Kofi just earlier in the year? Now he's beaten Sheamus cleanly and seems to be Roman Reigns' equal.

As for this match...Orton, easily. Jericho is about to go on hiatus again and he's really only used to enhance talent these days.
 
Correct me if im wrong but isn't Jericho contract set to expire after NOC? Anyway this should be a great match,a headline worthy match at that.. I have always loved NOC PPVs now available on the WWE network for only 9.99! I fully suspect Orton to pick up the win here,nothing to gain at all from a Jericho Win but you never know what surprise the WWE will throw at us..

Orton has indeed been languishing in the basement. He is extremely talented and when Lesnar retains against Cena,this might be the rout their going with this.. But would they turn orton Face to face the beast? I dont think necessarily that would be necessary.

It seems the Authority is slowly gaining confidence in Orton again.
 
I like this match for Orton. Since we know Jericho is done after NOC this win and beat down of Jericho by Orton which I'm sure will be used to write Jericho off could be the boost Orton needs. This type of a win can build up momentum for Orton if they want to go in the direction of Orton v Brock at say the Survivor Series.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure a few years back Randy Orton punted Jericho in head and he was gone for months I get the feeling this will happen again I see Jericho pulling a win after being destroyed for most of the match and then either after the match or on raw Orton will punt him putting him on shelf until rumble most probably
 
True. The thing is, I believe management has allowed Randy Orton to sit on the back burner for awhile....and they're getting ready to feature him again.

Why?

Well, it could be because they desperately need someone to oppose Brock Lesnar, presuming he's going to be around more than he has been.....which stems from the recent rumor that Brock will appear in more PPVs than previously.

If so, they'll need guys to face him, and Randy Orton has the size, reputation and toughness to fill the bill. But he's been languishing in the Authority's basement for some time now, and they have to make him once again appear strong.

After losing cleanly to Roman Reigns at Summerslam, the two "tied" in a singles match this past Monday. In the skits, Randy seems to be getting Triple H's attention once more. They're boosting him up again.

For this PPV, Chris Jericho is the perfect rep-stacking opponent for Randy; Jericho is a multi-time world champion, he has the rep, he gives a great show every time out.....yet, he's in the phase of his career in which it doesn't matter if he jobs, which he seems agreeable to doing. Beating Y2J will fortify Randy's new push.

So, Randy beats him.

Randy won't only beat him, I feel he'll write Y2J off of TV(assuming his deal ends at NoC) and we'll be seeing the Viper more and more vicious.


What I wonder is...will Orton eventually do a "tweener" turn on the Authority, as he has been asking for a title rematch for months now? Or, Will Brock become a problem to the Authority, who will virtually become "babyfaces" to Lesnar's Monster Heel persona at some point, because the situation becomes such that Brock Needs to be stopped by anyone on the roster, thus Orton and possibly Kane(amongst others) will be lined up to be squashed also until Mania?
 
It's going to be a decent match that helps build interest in the PPV so it makes sense and I'm looking forward to it. The weird thing is that Orton and Jericho didn't ever have a big feud (that I can remember). Sure Jericho is long past his prime but he can still go and Orton, in the right mood, will always be fantastic.

Orton will win this and I'm guessing he writes Jericho of TV. I'd like to see him use the punt kick which gives him some extra momentum after a long run of PPV loses.
 
I would have preferred if they had been left off the card or they saved Bray and Jericho's Cage match for Night Of Champions.

This was only built up, what, 2 weeks ago? And while I'm sure it will be a good match, I don't know wanna see Orton put out Jericho again. I thought it was stupid the first time because Jericho didn't even attempt to get payback on Orton when he returned 2 years ago and it will be even more stupid, if Jericho returns and doesn't come after Orton again for putting him out a second time.

Writing off Jericho would benefit Bray more and there are other ways to build up momentum for Orton, so he can go after Brock and the WWE Title.
 
This is deja vu all over again. Didn't Orton write off Jericho from TV a while back? They're just repeating the same thing here again. The match might be great, but who really benefits? Orton fluctuates and beating Jericho doesn't necessarily 'elevate' him at this point since he's above Jericho in terms of status and credibility anyway, which is gonna probably disappear with his next loss. Chris Jericho is just an all-round great performer, but he has nothing left to prove nor does he have any business wrestling Randy Orton just to get 'written off.' In any case, this match is obviously going to Randy Orton if it wasn't predictable enough.
 
I know Jericho's about to be going on tour soon, but is it that long of a tour? If not, then I would assume that Jericho could just be taking a simple loss here without much of a write off. It would also be stupid to do an injury write off when they JUST did one with Dean Ambrose. So I say Orton wins, but not convincingly.

Then, I'd say that when he returns; Jericho challenges Lesnar at TLC for the title in a Ladder match. How does he get the shot? Well because he beat Austin and The Rock in the same night at a December PPV years ago to become Undisputed Champion! Correction, the FIRST Undisputed Champion.
 
True. The thing is, I believe management has allowed Randy Orton to sit on the back burner for awhile....and they're getting ready to feature him again.
Unfortunately, I believe you're correct, as you are on most of these. Not in the WWE Championship picture, however, but definitely in major feuds.

With it being the worst-kept secret in professional wrestling that Chris Jericho is going back to his band after Night of Champions, it baffled me that they didn't use this opportunity to elevate Bray Wyatt more. Have the steel cage match there, then have Wyatt obliterate him post-match. Badly enough-at least-that he needs to do a stretcher job. So I figured that Raw was it for Jericho, and nice elevation for Wyatt. He beats Jericho 2 matches out of 3, then worked him over after the match. The feud was far from perfect, in fact, the flaws were many. But seemingly, Wyatt had gotten the upper hand, and it would be he that sent Jericho packing.

Then Randy Orton ran into the trainers room and attacked Jericho stating
"Sorry, Chris, what can I say, it's the season premiere?"

Four years ago, when Orton punted Jericho in the head and sent him packing, I would have loved Jericho to take two months off, return, and challenge Orton for the title. That never materialized, for reasons specific to Jericho going on a long tour with his band.

Two years ago, when a desperate Jericho attacked Orton then night after being pinned in a Fatal Four Way match for the WHC- that also involved Sheamus the champion and Del Rio as well- I would have loved to see a feud between a then-face Orton and a heel Jericho. Then both got suspended-Jericho for kicking the Brazilian flag and Orton for a Wellness Policy violation-and that feud was shot.

Now here we are in 2014, and I simply don't care. Be it Jericho's frequent coming and goings or the fact that Orton has frankly grown boring in his Viper persona, I'm not sure. I can't even say this will be a good match, as Orton's last good matches were in tag matches with Evolution, and in a triple threat with Batista and Bryan at Wrestlemania. Both have shown-in the medial past-that they're capable of having good matches with just about anyone. But Jericho's single's matches'(the cage match was awesome) with Wyatt disappointed, and I felt both of Orton's matches with Reigns did as well.

Whether good or bad, Orton is going to win this. Not only that, he'll once again send Jericho packing from the WWE for now, likely with a kick to the head. It should have been Wyatt's job.

What other reason could there be then creative is going to feature Orton prominently again?

Unless of course, they're starting to lose faith in Bray Wyatt, who's been left off the card altogether.

Well, it could be because they desperately need someone to oppose Brock Lesnar, presuming he's going to be around more than he has been.....which stems from the recent rumor that Brock will appear in more PPVs than previously.

If so, they'll need guys to face him, and Randy Orton has the size, reputation and toughness to fill the bill.
You really believe Orton is a reasonable challenger for Brock? HHH went through the trouble of overlooking Orton as a challenger for Cena, picking Lesnar instead. Where would the logic be in having faith in Orton to beat Brock, and further, why would HHH give Orton a shot against Lesnar? He was HHH's hand-picked guy to face Cena, so why would he go with a man he saw as beneath Lesnar as a challenger to Brock?

That, and heel vs. heel matches are incredibly boring.
 
It sucks they have nothing to do with Orton. I can see Orton getting the win over Jericho. He needs the win more than Jericho. I don't think he won a match since EC 2014.

If it was up to me, I'd have him lose and this marks the beginning of the end of Orton with The Authority.

There really isn't anything left for him to do as a heel besides feud with Ambrose once he's done with Rollins.

However, if he was a face, he could be one of the faces who try to take the title from Brock before WM XXXI
 
You really believe Orton is a reasonable challenger for Brock? HHH went through the trouble of overlooking Orton as a challenger for Cena, picking Lesnar instead. Where would the logic be in having faith in Orton to beat Brock, and further, why would HHH give Orton a shot against Lesnar? He was HHH's hand-picked guy to face Cena, so why would he go with a man he saw as beneath Lesnar as a challenger to Brock?

That, and heel vs. heel matches are incredibly boring.

Presumably it would lead to a face turn, where Orton feels betrayed by the authority and strikes out on his own. Heel Face turns for some reason seem to make wrestlers stronger.

Ambrose had become a joke as a heel, being dominated throughout the majority of his matches and needing help to win. As a face, he's been one of the most badass people in the roster.

As for why Triple H would do so, even though he is underhanded he does usually give his enemies reasonably fair shots. After all, he chose to put Roman Reigns in the Battleground Battle Royale for seemingly no reason. He also was originally going to choose Orton to take on Cena before Reigns came out and he realized that Reigns wasn't going to let Orton take the belt from Cena.
 
Presumably it would lead to a face turn, where Orton feels betrayed by the authority and strikes out on his own. Heel Face turns for some reason seem to make wrestlers stronger.

Ambrose had become a joke as a heel, being dominated throughout the majority of his matches and needing help to win. As a face, he's been one of the most badass people in the roster.

As for why Triple H would do so, even though he is underhanded he does usually give his enemies reasonably fair shots. After all, he chose to put Roman Reigns in the Battleground Battle Royale for seemingly no reason. He also was originally going to choose Orton to take on Cena before Reigns came out and he realized that Reigns wasn't going to let Orton take the belt from Cena.

When Randy was a face in 2012 he was unstoppable. He looked so strong. Beat Cesaro/Barrett/Sandow/Ziggler each and every week.

Some strange reason he didn't get a title run or a one on one with Punk while he was champ.
 
When Randy was a face in 2012 he was unstoppable. He looked so strong. Beat Cesaro/Barrett/Sandow/Ziggler each and every week.

Some strange reason he didn't get a title run or a one on one with Punk while he was champ.

That doesn't mean a lot here.

Rusev has been practically unbeatable since he debuted at the beginning this year, even defeating former champions like Khali, Swagger and Big E. Yet has he gotten a real title shot yet?

They just didn't want to make Orton the champ then back during his face run because they wanted someone else in that role, just as they don't want to give Rusev any gold yet. If Orton does feud with Brock, however, I don't think he would win. At least not while Brock has his momentum.

Ugh, as much as I hate to say it, Roman Reigns is probably the best option to conquer Brock. Cena, Orton or the Big Show (Brock's alleged next victim) don't really need a win over Lesnar. The person who conquers the conqueror of Cena's and streaks should be someone of the future. Reigns just seems like the type, as much as I feel WWE has rushed him into superstardom.
 
That doesn't mean a lot here.

Rusev has been practically unbeatable since he debuted at the beginning this year, even defeating former champions like Khali, Swagger and Big E. Yet has he gotten a real title shot yet?

They just didn't want to make Orton the champ then back during his face run because they wanted someone else in that role, just as they don't want to give Rusev any gold yet. If Orton does feud with Brock, however, I don't think he would win. At least not while Brock has his momentum.

Ugh, as much as I hate to say it, Roman Reigns is probably the best option to conquer Brock. Cena, Orton or the Big Show (Brock's alleged next victim) don't really need a win over Lesnar. The person who conquers the conqueror of Cena's and streaks should be someone of the future. Reigns just seems like the type, as much as I feel WWE has rushed him into superstardom.

True. I'm really surprised Rusev has yet to feud with Sheamus over the US Championship. It would make a lot of sense.

They could have had him win the title off Sheamus at NoC.

I recalled Orton got suspended during the summer for failing a drug test, so I guess him not being used was his punishment. Meanwhile, we saw Ryback get pushed to the moon.

Yeah I couldn't see Orton beating Brock but he'd be a more respectable opponent than Cena or Show again.

Just as you say somebody who should beat Brock, be someone younger; we saw what happened with Taker's streak. They could easily bring back The Rock or have Cena do it unfortunately.
 
True. I'm really surprised Rusev has yet to feud with Sheamus over the US Championship. It would make a lot of sense.

They could have had him win the title off Sheamus at NoC.

I recalled Orton got suspended during the summer for failing a drug test, so I guess him not being used was his punishment. Meanwhile, we saw Ryback get pushed to the moon.

Yeah I couldn't see Orton beating Brock but he'd be a more respectable opponent than Cena or Show again.

Just as you say somebody who should beat Brock, be someone younger; we saw what happened with Taker's streak. They could easily bring back The Rock or have Cena do it unfortunately.

I personally think Rusev will feud with Sheamus if the latter retains and the former doesn't enter a predictable program with Cena. While I like Cesaro (more than Sheamus and Rusev), I think he's being used as filler so Sheamus is defending it from someone.
 
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And here we have the part of Night Of Champions that I hate. Non-title filler matches. This show is supposed to be about the championships. I like Chris Jericho. I like Randy Orton. However, I do NOT like pointless non-title matches at Night Of Champions. At least make it a #1 contendership match for the World Heavyweight Championship.... Or better yet, don't even have this match and let the NXT Champions get exposure through matches for one night so that this once special PPV brand can be special again. Rant over.

Now that I got that rant out of the way.... I really liked their WWE Championship feud back in 2007 so this might not be so bad. It probably goes on in the middle of the evening. Randy Orton would need the win more so that he can get some momentum before attempting to challenge for the World Heavyweight Championship again whether it's Lesnar, Cena, or even Rollins holding the belt. Jericho gains literally nothing from winning this. Should be ok, despite being a completely pointless filler match on a show that's supposed to be all about the championships.

DAGGER'S PREDICTION
Randy Orton will defeat Chris Jericho.
 
Seems so obvious that Orton wins, and Jericho takes something nasty to write him off TV. Either an Orton punt or something else of that magnitude.....or since he's not on the card, Wyatt shows up post match and takes Chris out?

I REALLY hope something else happens though. I hate when things are too predictable.

And while some have called this a pointless match, I kind've like it. Jericho and Orton have had unfinished business for so long going back to when Jericho was about to beat him for the title with the Walls in 2007, when JBL interfered.....and Jericho switched his focus to JBL.

2010, Orton punted Jericho to write him off TV for 2 years.

In 2012, after the Jericho-Punk feud....Jericho and Orton were set to feud that summer, when Jericho got suspended for the flag incident, and the feud never happened.

It would make sense that these 2 still have issues with each other with so much unresolved beef in the past(which is why it made sense for Jericho to insult Orton on the Highlight Reel, and for Orton to flip out and attack him when he had a good chance).

Those calling this a pointless feud haven't paid attention, IMO.
 
This is the perfect match to swing Randy face, since there is literally not a single main event face left in the WWE except Cena.

Let's hope that Orton gets a face turn and wins the match.
 

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