WWE Mount Rushmore?

I think it should be:

1. Vince McMahon

2. Hulk Hogan

3. Triple H

4. John Cena

My choices aren't based on who my favourite wrestlers are but who have been most prominent.

Why did I leave off Stone Cold and the Rock? Well I wanted them up there but there are only 4 spots. I also left them off because They weren't on top as long as the others and I wanted triple H to be there because a heel should be recognized and because he was also arguably more prominent than Austin and Rock for a longer extended period of time.

If it was just wrestlers then Hogan #1 and The Rock gets #2.

Why the Rock over Austin? Purely because the Rock has reached a wider audience.
 
Nice thread! I'd probably go with:

1. Hulk Hogan (still the most recognizable name in the history of the business)

2. Stone Cold Steve Austin (embodied the attitude era)

3. Triple H (the kliq was too prominent to leave them all out, and he had the most success of them)

4. John Cena (lives and breathes WWE like no one else has ever done)

These are the titans of the wrestling industry imo. If I could pick a 5th one, it would probably be a tie between Macho Man or The Rock, who were the 2nd best in their respective eras... or maybe Shawn Michaels or Andre. It's really hard to pick just 4. There have been so many talented faces in the WWE alone, and that's without mentioning Sting, Flair, and other stars who made their names elsewhere.

I feel fortunate to have seen most of these stars competing (with the exception of Andre, who was before my time) while growing up.
 
Austin the best of his generation? What freakin generation? Are you calling 1998-1999 an entire generation? WTF??? A generation is imo at least 10-20 years. I'm almost 24, I consider my generation to be from the time I was a child maybe 5 or 6, til about 20, and now its a new generation. HBK is the greatest wrestler of the past generation and Austin isnt even number two, I'd put Taker at second. No way in hell can you call two years a generation. Get the f**k out of here with that crap. Austin had one amazing feud, got hurt, came back and was never the same again.

Honestly though, what does two guys being from the same era have to do with this? Look at the NBA are you going to leave Magic Johnson off the NBA Mt.Rushmore because he played while Jordan? or leave Jordan off because of Magic? If you are great than you are great no matter the era. The Rock is probably the most popular wrestler of all time....by that alone he gets on the Mt Rushmore of WWE, case closed. This discussion is dumb. Austin leads the attitude era so he gets a spot but the rock becomes the most popular and successful wrestler of all time but we are gonna leave him off lmfao...you guys are either rock haters or delusional if you think that Vince McMahon himself would EVER choose Cena over The Rock and that is really what it would come down too, Vince's choice. When Cena retires, the WWE will simply create a new kid friendly character to take his place. The Rock is a once in a lifetime wrestler and can't be copied, just like SCSA. The notion that Cena deserves this honor is just plain silly.
Maybe I should have said era, and yea, HBK was the best (American) in ring performer of that era. However, Austin was a hell of a lot more over than HBK ever was (HBK got legitmate heat in 1995 and 1996 for being a pussy, Sid got cheered over him in his hometown). Austin changed the game. I just picked out the top dogs from each era. Samartino, Hogan, Austin, Cena.
 
Nice thread! I'd probably go with:

1. Hulk Hogan (still the most recognizable name in the history of the business)

2. Stone Cold Steve Austin (embodied the attitude era)

3. Triple H (the kliq was too prominent to leave them all out, and he had the most success of them)

4. John Cena (lives and breathes WWE like no one else has ever done)

These are the titans of the wrestling industry imo. If I could pick a 5th one, it would probably be a tie between Macho Man or The Rock, who were the 2nd best in their respective eras... or maybe Shawn Michaels or Andre. It's really hard to pick just 4. There have been so many talented faces in the WWE alone, and that's without mentioning Sting, Flair, and other stars who made their names elsewhere.

I feel fortunate to have seen most of these stars competing (with the exception of Andre, who was before my time) while growing up.

Triple H and John Cena but no Rock?

The Rock took WWF to unprecedented heights.

The Rock is a far bigger star than Cena and Hunter ever were.
 
I think it's pretty ridiculous for people to have Vince on here. He wasn't a full time wrestler...he's the friggin owner.

I don't like how people are taking this question...to me it's basically the best 4 ever.

Andre was clearly not a bigger star than the Rock...it's the friggin Rock for Christs sake! I've never seen another wrestler garner more hate and love than that man. The haters are the hardcore guys who have either hated him since day one who chanted "die Rocky die"... for reasons I'll never know (maybe envy?) or those who take credit away from him because they can't grasp the concept that he did what made him happy in his own life by going to Hollywood so they resent him even though they don't like to admit they are entertained like crazy by him.

Deny it all you want but The Rock is a household name and has been before he went to Hollywood. I'll say it again....Austin WITH Vince helped turn the tide for WWF to start going over WCW with the hardcore fans and ratings, but The Rock made wrestling cool and mainstream and brought in more fans and was the final nail in the coffin for WCW...he changed casual fans into hardcore fans. He catapulted wrestling into new heights.

I witnessed that with my own two eyes....kids in school in 1997-1998 wearing Austin 3:16 shirts were the nerds...the smarks. Then in highschool 1998-1999 my freshmen year all the jocks and cool kids were rocking the Rock sideburns and screaming his catchphrases in the halls. Even teachers were fucking doing the Peoples Eyebrow! It was a craze everywhere all over tv too. Therefore....

Hogan, Austin, Rock, Cena....forget Bret, HBK, Vince(doesn't belong here as prez) Andre, Taker....Bruno didn't make wrestling explode the way these others did I'm sorry. So please cut it out with the marky bs.
 
I think it's pretty ridiculous for people to have Vince on here. He wasn't a full time wrestler...he's the friggin owner.

I don't like how people are taking this question...to me it's basically the best 4 ever.

Andre was clearly not a bigger star than the Rock...it's the friggin Rock for Christs sake! I've never seen another wrestler garner more hate and love than that man. The haters are the hardcore guys who have either hated him since day one who chanted "die Rocky die"... for reasons I'll never know (maybe envy?) or those who take credit away from him because they can't grasp the concept that he did what made him happy in his own life by going to Hollywood so they resent him even though they don't like to admit they are entertained like crazy by him.

Deny it all you want but The Rock is a household name and has been before he went to Hollywood. I'll say it again....Austin WITH Vince helped turn the tide for WWF to start going over WCW with the hardcore fans and ratings, but The Rock made wrestling cool and mainstream and brought in more fans and was the final nail in the coffin for WCW...he changed casual fans into hardcore fans. He catapulted wrestling into new heights.

I witnessed that with my own two eyes....kids in school in 1997-1998 wearing Austin 3:16 shirts were the nerds...the smarks. Then in highschool 1998-1999 my freshmen year all the jocks and cool kids were rocking the Rock sideburns and screaming his catchphrases in the halls. Even teachers were fucking doing the Peoples Eyebrow! It was a craze everywhere all over tv too. Therefore....

Hogan, Austin, Rock, Cena....forget Bret, HBK, Vince(doesn't belong here as prez) Andre, Taker....Bruno didn't make wrestling explode the way these others did I'm sorry. So please cut it out with the marky bs.


The Rock is the Michael Jordan of Wrestling.

Rocky is hated by marky marks becoz of the whole cm punk incident and we all know how b!tchy his fans are.

No worries, the butthurtism will eventually wear off.
 
Triple H and John Cena but no Rock?

The Rock took WWF to unprecedented heights.

The Rock is a far bigger star than Cena and Hunter ever were.

I don't see what is so hard to understand...

Choosing just 4 guys will ALWAYS mean that someone that might well deserve to be on it will miss in certain people's eyes.

the Rock, John Cena and even Triple H will always have their achievements put forward as to why they deserve to be on the Mount Rushmore of WWE. There are a number of others to be considered as well, ALL of whom have a shout in being included. In the end, it comes down to the preference of whoever is doing the Choosing and how they think certain Superstars and their achievements weigh up...
 
I don't see what is so hard to understand...

Choosing just 4 guys will ALWAYS mean that someone that might well deserve to be on it will miss in certain people's eyes.

the Rock, John Cena and even Triple H will always have their achievements put forward as to why they deserve to be on the Mount Rushmore of WWE. There are a number of others to be considered as well, ALL of whom have a shout in being included. In the end, it comes down to the preference of whoever is doing the Choosing and how they think certain Superstars and their achievements weigh up...


The Rock should NOT be left off a WWE Mt. Rushmore.

He is the most known wrestling star worldwide (along with Hogan).

The Rock is more popular / more charismatic / better mic worker... than Hunter and Cena.

Like I said, The Rock is a once in a lifetime talent.

He took WWF to unprecedented heights, then went on to become one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, Rock impacted wrestling in a MAJOR way.
 
The Rock should NOT be left off a WWE Mt. Rushmore.

He is the most known wrestling star worldwide (along with Hogan).

The Rock is more popular / more charismatic / better mic worker... than Hunter and Cena.

Like I said, The Rock is a once in a lifetime talent.

He took WWF to unprecedented heights, then went on to become one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, Rock impacted wrestling in a MAJOR way.

And as I said; it is a totally subjective opinion as there are MORE than just 4 guys who have enough merits to be considered eligible to be on the WWE Mount Rushmore.

Obviously you think the Rock deserves to be there no matter what. Totally subjective opinion,lMO. Other guys also have their merits which might weigh more depending on who is choosing them, and certain choosers might decide that whilst the Rock is as good as you claim, there are 4 guys who were better for whatever reasons.

Obviously, you have your POV on the matter and it won't be changed. Thus, carrying on this discussion with you has become pointless and tiresome. lMO, from the beginning this thread has been about subjective opinions due to the many options available to choose a final 4 guys for the WWE Mount Rushmore.

Cheers. :)
 
The Rock should NOT be left off a WWE Mt. Rushmore.

He is the most known wrestling star worldwide (along with Hogan).

The Rock is more popular / more charismatic / better mic worker... than Hunter and Cena.

Like I said, The Rock is a once in a lifetime talent.

He took WWF to unprecedented heights, then went on to become one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, Rock impacted wrestling in a MAJOR way.

No, Hogan is the MJ of Professional wrestling, he got wrestling over the hump when no one else really did. Just like MJ. Before MJ the nba was prerecording it's finals and playoff games, MJ help change that and made it into a world wide thing, much the same way that Hogan did for wrestling. And then when Hogan left it began to be meh again, until Hogan sparked another Big boom in the 90's much like MJ's retirement and coming back did for wrestling. I think if you're going to compare anyone to MJ in wrestling it's Hogan, not Rock. I don't even think it's really debatable. And Hogan took wrestling to unprecedented heights. Rock never really did that imo. He helped but wrestling was already experiencing a boom, whether you like giving austin or the NWO any credit at all.
 
No, Hogan is the MJ of Professional wrestling, he got wrestling over the hump when no one else really did. Just like MJ. Before MJ the nba was prerecording it's finals and playoff games, MJ help change that and made it into a world wide thing, much the same way that Hogan did for wrestling. And then when Hogan left it began to be meh again, until Hogan sparked another Big boom in the 90's much like MJ's retirement and coming back did for wrestling. I think if you're going to compare anyone to MJ in wrestling it's Hogan, not Rock. I don't even think it's really debatable. And Hogan took wrestling to unprecedented heights. Rock never really did that imo. He helped but wrestling was already experiencing a boom, whether you like giving austin or the NWO any credit at all.


Wow, dude you must have been living under a rock or too young to know but Rock launched wrestling into the main stream for the 2nd time after Hogan...but he reached a lot more than children. Like I said, Austin and Vince started to get the viewers back from WcW, but Rock brought in new viewers who were casual and who didn't even watch beforehand. That's what I saw back then and it was pretty friggin obvious to everyone, even a blind man...not sure how you missed it unless you're just hating on him, which many people do. Hell, even WWE stars and officials hate on him for his success...it's pretty evident throughout the years.
 
No, Hogan is the MJ of Professional wrestling, he got wrestling over the hump when no one else really did. Just like MJ. Before MJ the nba was prerecording it's finals and playoff games, MJ help change that and made it into a world wide thing, much the same way that Hogan did for wrestling. And then when Hogan left it began to be meh again, until Hogan sparked another Big boom in the 90's much like MJ's retirement and coming back did for wrestling. I think if you're going to compare anyone to MJ in wrestling it's Hogan, not Rock. I don't even think it's really debatable. And Hogan took wrestling to unprecedented heights. Rock never really did that imo. He helped but wrestling was already experiencing a boom, whether you like giving austin or the NWO any credit at all.

Exactly. Hulk Hogan is the MJ of Professional Wrestling. Oddly, their careers paralleled. Both hit national stardom in 1984, and 'retired' in their prime around 98-99. Made a brief comeback in the early 2000s ie. Hogan coming back to WM 18, MJ at the Wizards, before leaving the national stage (Hogan going to TNA doesn't really count.. kind of like MJ buying a team).

Rock is great of course, but he rode on the coattails of the astronomical GROWTH and new HEIGHTS Stone Cold gave to everybody.

Hulk gave the same national exposure to Savage and Warrior without Hulk and SCSA headlining Wrestlemanias, they never would have gotten the same exposure and worldwide national audience. A prime example given by Wrestlers in the industry give examples like
-"If Hogan didn't essentially create Summerslam 88, not nearly as many people would have been around to watch Warrior explode to become the Next Big Thing when he destroyed a 15 month IC champ in 30 seconds".
-Or "It was Hogan and Andre that SOLD THE SHOW. Savage and Steamboat were along for the ride to be there on that magical night to get the opportunity show off what they did". Even Steamboat said that. Wrestlers all say how great someone is by selling the show in advance. Those are the guys that deserve to be on the Mt. Rushmore of wrestling.

Someone like Rock needs a strong opponent. Hogan and Austin, when they were hot and FIRST to the Top, you could throw them in with just about anybody and it would have sold out and made national news.

Rock was most entertaining, but his legacy is too short. If he had stayed, sure, maybe he would have kept WWE hot, but his shtick would have gotten tiresome and old. The only reason Stone Cold was prematurely gone and character killed off was bc of his neck injury (the Owen Hart piledriver really made a bad situation worse.. SCSA also tarnished his own legacy when he was on his way out), not because the Rock started outshining him. In another 2-4 years, if trajectory assuming it kept up, sure, but that's not the reason why Stone Cold was gone at that time.

Rock was great entertainment value. I ate him up too, cracked me up like crazy. His matches were Angle were awesome as well as earlier HHH matches. But he was hard to take seriously, and was smart enough to get out when he was still hot, which makes the memory of him being the best still vivid. Especially if you were still 'coming of age' when he hit his stride.
 
Exactly. Hulk Hogan is the MJ of Professional Wrestling. Oddly, their careers paralleled. Both hit national stardom in 1984, and 'retired' in their prime around 98-99. Made a brief comeback in the early 2000s ie. Hogan coming back to WM 18, MJ at the Wizards, before leaving the national stage (Hogan going to TNA doesn't really count.. kind of like MJ buying a team).

Rock is great of course, but he rode on the coattails of the astronomical GROWTH and new HEIGHTS Stone Cold gave to everybody.

Hulk gave the same national exposure to Savage and Warrior without Hulk and SCSA headlining Wrestlemanias, they never would have gotten the same exposure and worldwide national audience. A prime example given by Wrestlers in the industry give examples like
-"If Hogan didn't essentially create Summerslam 88, not nearly as many people would have been around to watch Warrior explode to become the Next Big Thing when he destroyed a 15 month IC champ in 30 seconds".
-Or "It was Hogan and Andre that SOLD THE SHOW. Savage and Steamboat were along for the ride to be there on that magical night to get the opportunity show off what they did". Even Steamboat said that. Wrestlers all say how great someone is by selling the show in advance. Those are the guys that deserve to be on the Mt. Rushmore of wrestling.

Someone like Rock needs a strong opponent. Hogan and Austin, when they were hot and FIRST to the Top, you could throw them in with just about anybody and it would have sold out and made national news.

Rock was most entertaining, but his legacy is too short. If he had stayed, sure, maybe he would have kept WWE hot, but his shtick would have gotten tiresome and old. The only reason Stone Cold was prematurely gone and character killed off was bc of his neck injury (the Owen Hart piledriver really made a bad situation worse.. SCSA also tarnished his own legacy when he was on his way out), not because the Rock started outshining him. In another 2-4 years, if trajectory assuming it kept up, sure, but that's not the reason why Stone Cold was gone at that time.

Rock was great entertainment value. I ate him up too, cracked me up like crazy. His matches were Angle were awesome as well as earlier HHH matches. But he was hard to take seriously, and was smart enough to get out when he was still hot, which makes the memory of him being the best still vivid. Especially if you were still 'coming of age' when he hit his stride.


This is ridiculous lol. So Rock was hard to take seriously? He needed to go against another great star to sell?? Austin could sell with just about anybody?? Where the hell do you get this from!?? Austin couldn't sell with a lot of top stars dude...go look at the numbers! Look what the Rock did for Hurricane Helms! lol the dude gave John Cena a fucking endorsement deal for Fruity Pebbles for gods sake...he is that damn good. As a fan of the Rock I'm almost glad he left wrestling because there is clearly a shitload of people who don't appreciate him. No wonder wrestling fell off for several years when he left...til Cena came along.
 
Exactly. Hulk Hogan is the MJ of Professional Wrestling. Oddly, their careers paralleled. Both hit national stardom in 1984, and 'retired' in their prime around 98-99. Made a brief comeback in the early 2000s ie. Hogan coming back to WM 18, MJ at the Wizards, before leaving the national stage (Hogan going to TNA doesn't really count.. kind of like MJ buying a team).

Rock is great of course, but he rode on the coattails of the astronomical GROWTH and new HEIGHTS Stone Cold gave to everybody.

Hulk gave the same national exposure to Savage and War, were criticized for not being as good as in their prime...rior without Hulk and SCSA headlining Wrestlemanias, they never would have gotten the same exposure and worldwide national audience. A prime example given by Wrestlers in the industry give examples like
-"If Hogan didn't essentially create Summerslam 88, not nearly as many people would have been around to watch Warrior explode to become the Next Big Thing when he destroyed a 15 month IC champ in 30 seconds".
-Or "It was Hogan and Andre that SOLD THE SHOW. Savage and Steamboat were along for the ride to be there on that magical night to get the opportunity show off what they did". Even Steamboat said that. Wrestlers all say how great someone is by selling the show in advance. Those are the guys that deserve to be on the Mt. Rushmore of wrestling.

Someone like Rock needs a strong opponent. Hogan and Austin, when they were hot and FIRST to the Top, you could throw them in with just about anybody and it would have sold out and made national news.

Rock was most entertaining, but his legacy is too short. If he had stayed, sure, maybe he would have kept WWE hot, but his shtick would have gotten tiresome and old. The only reason Stone Cold was prematurely gone and character killed off was bc of his neck injury (the Owen Hart piledriver really made a bad situation worse.. SCSA also tarnished his own legacy when he was on his way out), not because the Rock started outshining him. In another 2-4 years, if trajectory assuming it kept up, sure, but that's not the reason why Stone Cold was gone at that time.

Rock was great entertainment value. I ate him up too, cracked me up like crazy. His matches were Angle were awesome as well as earlier HHH matches. But he was hard to take seriously, and was smart enough to get out when he was still hot, which makes the memory of him being the best still vivid. Especially if you were still 'coming of age' when he hit his stride.

What a load of cr@p.

The Rock was mainstream on his own. He didn't need Austin.
Explain to me how The Rock this is your life segment got the highest rated segment ever and not Austin.

Rock didn't need Cyndi Lauper, Mr.T or Andre The Giant. Rock didn't need Mike Tyson, a feud with the owner, a monster truck, a beer truck, a cement truck.

All he needed was a mic. And he became the G.O.A.T for that.

Also Rock is like Jordan, not very long career, accomplished everything, made their huge comeback...

Rock needs a strong opponent? Hahahaha. Austin feuded with Vince, Shawn, Foley, Kane, Taker... in 98.

The Rock was able to make a feud with Billy Gunn relevant and drew big PPV buyrates with Benoit at fully loaded 00.
 
Triple H and John Cena but no Rock?

The Rock took WWF to unprecedented heights.

The Rock is a far bigger star than Cena and Hunter ever were.

Stone Cold took the WWF to unprecedented heights. The Rock played second fiddle in the majority of his own era (sometimes third after HHH). Anyway, this thread is about people posting their opinions, so no one is really wrong here.

This is ridiculous lol. So Rock was hard to take seriously? He needed to go against another great star to sell?? Austin could sell with just about anybody?? Where the hell do you get this from!?? Austin couldn't sell with a lot of top stars dude...go look at the numbers! Look what the Rock did for Hurricane Helms! lol the dude gave John Cena a fucking endorsement deal for Fruity Pebbles for gods sake...he is that damn good. As a fan of the Rock I'm almost glad he left wrestling because there is clearly a shitload of people who don't appreciate him. No wonder wrestling fell off for several years when he left...til Cena came along.

Dude, chill out. You love The Rock, and we can all see that. Some of us just think he was overrated as a wrestler. I personally think he's amazingly entertaining as an actor outside the business. It's good to see that he's finally found the place where he excels most.
 
Stone Cold took the WWF to unprecedented heights. The Rock played second fiddle in the majority of his own era (sometimes third after HHH). Anyway, this thread is about people posting their opinions, so no one is really wrong here.



Dude, chill out. You love The Rock, and we can all see that. Some of us just think he was overrated as a wrestler. I personally think he's amazingly entertaining as an actor outside the business. It's good to see that he's finally found the place where he excels most.

Lmao ok dude...nice try. I made it no secret that he's my fav wrestler...no need to sarcastically reiterate that. Some of you think he's "over-rated"...I haven't read many people using that phrase. I've heard various other reasons why people would pick others for this Mount Rushmore thing but "over-rated" isn't something many have said...that's blasphemous. Nice try at trying to bury his wrestling career by basically insinuating that he should've been an actor from day 1. Undercover haters make me laugh.

Oh and btw "amazingly entertaining as an actor"...hardly. He isn't even that great...WWF/WWE Rock has always been better than any acting role he's ever done.
 
Lmao ok dude...nice try. I made it no secret that he's my fav wrestler...no need to sarcastically reiterate that. Some of you think he's "over-rated"...I haven't read many people using that phrase. I've heard various other reasons why people would pick others for this Mount Rushmore thing but "over-rated" isn't something many have said...that's blasphemous. Nice try at trying to bury his wrestling career by basically insinuating that he should've been an actor from day 1. Undercover haters make me laugh.

Oh and btw "amazingly entertaining as an actor"...hardly. He isn't even that great...WWF/WWE Rock has always been better than any acting role he's ever done.

You're reading way too much into my post. Don't get so defensive. I only think The Rock is overrated as a wrestler because so many people rate him as the greatest of all time, whereas I think he's somewhere further down in the top 10 or 20 who have competed in the WWE. That's still amazing considering how many people have laced up their boots in the history of the company!

The Rock in the WWE is too immature for me. I loved it when I was a kid, since sex jokes, poop jokes, and gay jokes seemed edgy and funny to me at the time, but it just doesn't work for me personally anymore. I'm fine with him still having fans, and I understand it, since I used to be one. That being said, his role in the Fast and the Furious series and The Rundown are more entertaining to me presently.

Again, I get that The Rock is your favorite wrestler ever, and I'm not trying to change your mind. I just wish you could understand that other people can have different preferences or standards by which they form their own opinions.
 
Stone Cold took the WWF to unprecedented heights. The Rock played second fiddle in the majority of his own era (sometimes third after HHH). Anyway, this thread is about people posting their opinions, so no one is really wrong here.

The Rock played second fiddle? Hahahaha lmao how ignorant.

You're not the first one or the first million'th person that's going to say that.

The Rock revolutionized wrestling, he took WWF to unprecedented heights, 2000 was the most succesful financial year thanks to the rock.

The Rock has clearly surpassed Austin as the bigger star from late 99.
 
The Rock played second fiddle? Hahahaha lmao how ignorant.

You're not the first one or the first million'th person that's going to say that.

The Rock revolutionized wrestling, he took WWF to unprecedented heights, 2000 was the most succesful financial year thanks to the rock.

The Rock has clearly surpassed Austin as the bigger star from late 99.

Agreed...people that say Rock was second fiddle crap are morons. I never seen a guy that was "second fiddle" have the entire company based off of him. Look at all the video games. Wm2000, No Mercy, and the first 3 smackdown games all had Rock on the cover. The rock was even the focal point of the wwe cd's.
 
You're reading way too much into my post. Don't get so defensive. I only think The Rock is overrated as a wrestler because so many people rate him as the greatest of all time, whereas I think he's somewhere further down in the top 10 or 20 who have competed in the WWE. That's still amazing considering how many people have laced up their boots in the history of the company!

The Rock in the WWE is too immature for me. I loved it when I was a kid, since sex jokes, poop jokes, and gay jokes seemed edgy and funny to me at the time, but it just doesn't work for me personally anymore. I'm fine with him still having fans, and I understand it, since I used to be one. That being said, his role in the Fast and the Furious series and The Rundown are more entertaining to me presently.

Again, I get that The Rock is your favorite wrestler ever, and I'm not trying to change your mind. I just wish you could understand that other people can have different preferences or standards by which they form their own opinions.



I respect that it's your opinion but you can't argue the facts....


1.Holds the record of drawing most major shows with 10,000+ attendance on top in one calendar year.[Broke Hogan's(1986) and Austin's(1998) record in 1999 and set a record of headlining over 100 shows with 10,000 plus people in attendance in year 2000.

2.Holds the record of main-eventing almost 17 PPVs that have got over 500k buys(again,a feat of inimitable drawing power that is unmatched by anyone in pro-wrestling history)

3.Drew the highest cable ratings during the AE.

4.Sold more merchandise than anyone active between mid 1999-2001.
 
What a load of cr@p.

The Rock was mainstream on his own. He didn't need Austin.
Explain to me how The Rock this is your life segment got the highest rated segment ever and not Austin.

Rock didn't need Cyndi Lauper, Mr.T or Andre The Giant. Rock didn't need Mike Tyson, a feud with the owner, a monster truck, a beer truck, a cement truck.

All he needed was a mic. And he became the G.O.A.T for that.

Also Rock is like Jordan, not very long career, accomplished everything, made their huge comeback...

Rock needs a strong opponent? Hahahaha. Austin feuded with Vince, Shawn, Foley, Kane, Taker... in 98.

The Rock was able to make a feud with Billy Gunn relevant and drew big PPV buyrates with Benoit at fully loaded 00.

MJ had about 15 season. That's pretty long. Especially in an era where MJ didn't even have their own team jet for over half their careers.

It's just one string of entertainment to the next for the Rock. Hey, if he stuck around long, was around to really bring WWE into the new millennium post Stone Cold, than I would say sure, he'd be up there. He was basically a mainstream wrestler for about 7 years really. Very short by All-time Wrestling Great standards. Especially if you want to be on the Mount Rushmore of the WWE.

He is great, sure, no denying that. But the reality is that Stone Cold made the WWE turn the corner, was more directly impactful in helping Vince realize his ultimate dream of turning WWE public, but was cut short by his Owen Hart caused injury. Rock took advantage of a great situation led by and most importantly, carved-out by Stone cold.

I personally enjoyed watching the Rock more (his matches and promo), but even I recognize the impact and Mt. Rushmore like significance Stone Cold had, and suspense he brought during his rise and reign.
 
MJ had about 15 season. That's pretty long. Especially in an era where MJ didn't even have their own team jet for over half their careers.

It's just one string of entertainment to the next for the Rock. Hey, if he stuck around long, was around to really bring WWE into the new millennium post Stone Cold, than I would say sure, he'd be up there. He was basically a mainstream wrestler for about 7 years really. Very short by All-time Wrestling Great standards. Especially if you want to be on the Mount Rushmore of the WWE.

He is great, sure, no denying that. But the reality is that Stone Cold made the WWE turn the corner, was more directly impactful in helping Vince realize his ultimate dream of turning WWE public, but was cut short by his Owen Hart caused injury. Rock took advantage of a great situation led by and most importantly, carved-out by Stone cold.

I personally enjoyed watching the Rock more (his matches and promo), but even I recognize the impact and Mt. Rushmore like significance Stone Cold had, and suspense he brought during his rise and reign.

you are seriously contradicting yourself...

how is 7 years not long enough for the rock to be on mt Rushmore but Austins 2 years is enough? criteria has to be the same for everyone...either longevity is a requirement or it isnt but you can't change up the criteria depending on the wrestler, it has to be equal across the board.

Secondly, you stated that The Rock simply took advantage of a great situation carved by Austin...well isnt that exactly what Austin did as well. I know everyone on here associates the AE with SCSA BUT there is a guy by the name of Shawn Michaels that started the AE. Shawn Michaels is the one that got the network to back the wwe and allow them to do all the pg14 type stuff in the first place. Rock took advantage of Austins injury the same way Austin took advantage of HBK's. I always find it funny that people automatically give all AE credit to Austin because when I here the phrase Attitude Era I mostly think of DX.
 
MJ had about 15 season. That's pretty long. Especially in an era where MJ didn't even have their own team jet for over half their careers.

It's just one string of entertainment to the next for the Rock. Hey, if he stuck around long, was around to really bring WWE into the new millennium post Stone Cold, than I would say sure, he'd be up there. He was basically a mainstream wrestler for about 7 years really. Very short by All-time Wrestling Great standards. Especially if you want to be on the Mount Rushmore of the WWE.

He is great, sure, no denying that. But the reality is that Stone Cold made the WWE turn the corner, was more directly impactful in helping Vince realize his ultimate dream of turning WWE public, but was cut short by his Owen Hart caused injury. Rock took advantage of a great situation led by and most importantly, carved-out by Stone cold.

I personally enjoyed watching the Rock more (his matches and promo), but even I recognize the impact and Mt. Rushmore like significance Stone Cold had, and suspense he brought during his rise and reign.


7 years for the Rock? You got the same for Austin dude. Rock has more active time actually than Austin even with his part time appearances. Austin was here from 1995-1996 as the ring master, then 1996-1997 as stone cold, 1997-1999 and out a year in 2000, back in 2001-2003 with a big stint at home when he "took his ball and went home". Then he stuck around as Gm n all for another year. So it's basically the same amount of time...Rock was here from 1996-2003 and back for Manias 20, 28, and 29. So this just shows how people don't realize how much time he's actually been around.

When it comes to stats...check my post above on this page....Rock was carrying this company and clearly surpassed Austin. There were even reports of Austin saying the same thing himself...that's part of the reason he chose to take the surgery in 2000 and sit out all that time so his character would be fresh after a year off and people would miss him instead of growing tired of him while The Rock was killing it.

Also, I agree with Kidpolean on DX being a equally huge contributor to the AE. Dx formed a while after Austin's KOTR promo, and the AE may have started at that moment but it didn't pick up steam til HBK and HHH started doing crazy shit, and Vince started engaging Austin.

The guy had a lot of help on his road to greatness...from Bret, HBK, Vince, Undertaker to the Rock putting him over at big events like Mania and SS...passing out in the sharpshooter put him over more than any win would have btw. Rock lost to everybody and faced inferior talent like Foley, Shamrock, HHH and Big Show...which again all went over him several times.
 
this is stupid..dont make up reasons for the presidents being on mt Rushmore, just tell the truth. Those four were put on there because at the time, they were considered the best presidents that had the biggest impact on the us. All that bs you said is completely made up opinionated nonsense.

There is no way you can make a real case for Taker to be on the Mt Rushmore of WWE. Why does putting a guy that was NEVER a top guy or even the number 2 guy on there make any sense? All Taker has is the streak, and that is it. Are you a child? Any grown man that has watched wrestling for 20 plus years should understand that what you're saying is nonsense? You leave off guys like Rock, and HBK that dominated and were always better and higher on the card than Taker but Taker gets a spot??? I love Taker but that is ridiculous. Loyalty doesn't get you this freakin honor, impact on the WWE does...and Taker's only real impact has been the streak. If Orton had beat Taker at WM21, than we wouldn't even be having this argument. Stop hating on the rock!!! If your going to comment at least tell the truth instead of posting garbage.

Education time for idiots;
What bs did I say about the presidents? I gave reasons why they were on Mt. Rushmore, reasons that are what MADE them the greatest presidents and lead to their being the ones chosen for the monument. Go read a history book or search listverse . com or cracked . com and read up on how awesome and badass Teddy Rosevelt was and tell me I made up the shit I wrote about him. Crack open a book and read about Lincoln and the Civil War and his emancipation proclaimation. Jefferson is one of the creators and authors of declaration of Independance and Washington was the first officially recognised president of the United States so what did I bullshit about?

Taker wasn't the top guy? He never needed to be the top guy. He was the guy the top guy had to be able to beat to become the top guy. None of the guys idiots like you bring up would have amounted to jack shit without Taker being there standing in their way. He carried the company on his back and did everything that was required of him. Feuds with him are what made careers for Rock, Austin, Foley. Even HBK and Bret would likely have struggled as the top guy if they didn't have someone with the skill and durability of Taker to face off against. He not only could match any of them in the ring, but as any wrestler who was there at the time would tell he, he helped keep the locker room together and make sure that people knew their roles and performed without the kind of drama that infected the mid 90's prior to the Screwjob. You say I hate on the rock and to stop? Yet you turn around and dismiss a 20+ year veteran who's been held up against the best and beaten all of them on the biggest stage of them all.
Impact over loyalty?
Taker was the bridge between Era's. he took the role of the big man and redifined it from slow, lumbering brute and made it possible for larger performers to show that they too could compete in terms of both technical skillsets and flashy, spot strewn matches. Before him, the standard was guys like Andre and Big John Studd. Massive men who were not exactly known for climbing the ropes (or even running the ropes) but for standing in the middle of the ring and just overpowering anyone put in front of them with minimal effort or selling on their part. Without Taker, guys in his size range like Kane, Batista, Lesnar, and so many others would not have been shown the confidence to let them do the high risk moves as conventional wisdom prior to taker was to keep anyone over 6'6" on their feet and moving methodically while showcasing their power and size. Kane would never have leapt from the top for a clothesline without guys like Taker and LOD doing it first. Big show would never have done dropkicks or spears. Lesnar would certainly never have been allowed to try shit like the shooting star press if Taker hadn't proven that larger athletes could be just as agile and aerially talented as the lighter roster fillers.
So yeah I think Taker deserves a spot on any WWE or even Wrestling Mt Rushmore because he redefined what it meant to be a big man in this business. And that more then even his streak earns him a spot on the Mountain top.

As for your comments about me. I'm 34 years old and have been watching wrestling for 30 years now. I've watched Mark Calloway matches for oh, somthing like 26-27 years, from the time he was in the territories wrestling as Master of Pain to his time as Mean Mark Callous in wcw as the replacement member in the under rated and often forgotten team of SkyScrappers to his debut at the survivor series. From the first time he stepped foot in the ring at that PPV, I've tried to watch every one of his matches. I've watched the world of wrestling evolve around him and still he remained at the center of the WWE. He, like Andre before him, was bigger then the Championship. He held it when needed, but honestly, by the time guys like Rock and Austin really hit it big, he had grown beyond the belt. He was an event in and of himself.

The only nonsense is the shit you spouted. Bret was a fantastic in ring preformer, and a legend of the sport, but he had far less impact on others and therefore doesn't deserve a spot. As for HBK, the guy was a primadonna ass who let's face it, took over from Bret during the lean years of 93 to 96. And it was the combined efforts of Bret, HBK, and Taker who allowed the company to stay affloat during those years with the next group of Yoko, Nash, and others. HBK was unlike Bret not a great Technician, but he was a spot monkey of the time and could sell like no one else. But this love and reverence people have of him now is insane. He was the face of the company at a time when the company almost went out of business. It took guys like Austin and Rock breaking out and the turn to more hardcore style with Foley and a huge bit of luck and VINCE's capatalising on it to allow WWE to first save themselves and then explode into the surviving company. None of which over all was done by HBK. Great in ring performer, but backstage issues and attitude, as well as weak competition and unwillingess to work well with others made him a disaster as the face of the company.
 
I think it's pretty ridiculous for people to have Vince on here. He wasn't a full time wrestler...he's the friggin owner.
But he was a full time performer on screen. If this was professional sports or something of that ilk I'd see your point. My point would be that it's a show with characters. Vince was a character. One that helped launch the Rock and Austin. It's not like Vince wasn't on camera for all the big Attitude years. He was. And he was a massive part of that.


Andre was clearly not a bigger star than the Rock...it's the friggin Rock for Christs sake! I've never seen another wrestler garner more hate and love than that man. The haters are the hardcore guys who have either hated him since day one who chanted "die Rocky die"... for reasons I'll never know (maybe envy?) or those who take credit away from him because they can't grasp the concept that he did what made him happy in his own life by going to Hollywood so they resent him even though they don't like to admit they are entertained like crazy by him.
Except you're trying to compare two totally different era in the world of professional wrestling. There wasn't near the exposure for Andre in his prime that there was for Rock. Wrestling was in territories during that time and frankly no one wanted it to change until Vince Jr. came along. Saying the Rock was bigger than isn't necessarily a valid argument. Wrestling wasn't a world wide phenomenon like it was before the Rock even hit the scene. And even when Andre was a shell of himself he still helped draw 93,000 with hogan and helped draw the highest ratings for wrestling show in the history of the business. It's hard to compare the two and to do so is almost impossible considering the time periods that they wrestled.

Deny it all you want but The Rock is a household name and has been before he went to Hollywood. I'll say it again....Austin WITH Vince helped turn the tide for WWF to start going over WCW with the hardcore fans and ratings, but The Rock made wrestling cool and mainstream and brought in more fans and was the final nail in the coffin for WCW...he changed casual fans into hardcore fans. He catapulted wrestling into new heights.
And Andre was mainstream during a time when TV's weren't on every block. When wrestling shows were regional and you hardly knew who anyone was if they weren't from state, or even your city. Andre was in movies, TV, and known world wide and people even view him as GOD LIKE in places. Andre was wrestling's crossover before they had crossovers. TV, Movies, Media, mainstream commercials in the US and Japan. I could keep going if you want.. Andre is arguably the biggest star in wrestling history. Hogan, the biggest egomaniac ever once said if Andre had wanted there would've been no one else in the wrestling business had Andre wanted to it to be. Andre was the man for years, such a big deal that Vince thought he was too good to hold the world title. In Vince's own words. The man in his prime was too big for the world title. Think about that.

Hogan, Austin, Rock, Cena....forget Bret, HBK, Vince(doesn't belong here as prez) Andre, Taker....Bruno didn't make wrestling explode the way these others did I'm sorry. So please cut it out with the marky bs.
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No right now you're being the mark not seeing common sense. Truth be told Bruno couldn't make wrestling Explode, neither could Andre for the most part. (Although when Andre had the chance years after his prime he still did a damn good job in helping the process.) But let's be realistic here, when bruno was the biggest name in wrestling Vince McMahon Sr. ran the company. It was regional and that's how it was supposed to say. Again Vince Jr said that had his dad known what he was doing he wouldn't have sold him the company. Meaning no explosion in wrestling. Vince Jr. took the regional company and bought up the smaller companies (with the money that bruno in large part helped him make) Then took in national and distributed it nation wide when no other promoter would've dreamed of doing so. How the hell was Bruno supposed to cause an explosion like a Hulk Hogan, or an Austin, or Rock when he was only seen in one area of the country? Capital City Wrestling run by Vince Jr. caused the explosion of wrestling nation wide more than anyone. Bruno was their bread and butter for something well over ten years. Even had to come back from a broken neck early because Mohammed Ali couldn't draw at Shea stadium and the gates were that awful on a show WITH ALI!!!!! Bruno didn't cause the explosion because he was never given the chance, just like Andre was never given that chance. Vince McMahon Jr. was the reason for that explosion and still Bruno was a bigger deal in his area than ALI, or anyone else during that time.

A guy that was brought in to save a show with one of the biggest stars in the world wasn't a big deal? Come on man. You can't compare numbers from Andre and Bruno's era to numbers from other eras. It's borderline moronic.

(And before you go off on some tangent about how you never said that it was their fault, please keep in mind that you said that Andre shouldn't even be included in this conversation. And why? The man only headlined the largest attended wrestlemania of all time and put up the largest ratings in the history of wrestling event on network TV. 30 million people watched it. No one but Hogan AND Andre did that. And this was only like ten years past Andre's prime. Yeah I think the dudes you're dismissing so easily deserve a little better).

Yeah, saying Andre and Bruno don't deserve on the MT. Rushmore is like saying Washington and Jefferson don't belong on the real one because America wasn't as big a world power as it later became. In other words, sounds kind of crazy to me.
 

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