WWE Breaking Point

[Tim_Seraphim]

An all submission pay-per-view? That's a horrible idea. A pay-per-view made up of the same match would never work and fail. Wait, what's this? I'm getting word from my man Jimmy...huh? Oh hell, TNA puts on an all cage match pay-per-view? Damn It! In any event, I do enjoy the few submission matches I've seen, but there is no submission wrestler on the roster, let alone enough to book an entire pay-per-view around. I mean, who wants to see John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton, Edge, HHH, Undertaker, & Vince McMahon main event in an ultimate submission match? Hell, I'd submit to Batista as soon as the bell rang just to not be tainted by his massive amount of charisma and personality. </sarcasm> The title should be...Superbrawl Saturday!!?!

 

[Mighty NorCal]

eerrrrrr.

"This is going to be fucking laborious" is what the fuck it should be called.

Seriously? ALL submission matches? FIrstly, ANY show with the same gimmick over and over is gonna suck ass. So not only do you do that, but you want to select THE most boring gimmick match there is?

If I wanted to watch UFC or Ameatuer wrestling, I would do just that. I think this is a terrible idea. Im not sure I will even purchase it. I have no clue what on earth they are thinking. Well, actually I do. But its stupid.

 

[simpsons_fanatic742]

So does this mean that this Submission PPV is replacing Unforgiven? I checked WWE.com and Unforgiven and Breaking Point are both on September 13.

I don't think Breaking Point is a bad name at all. What I don't see is how they are going to have enough wrestlers to fill in the matches. Not alot of people know or do submissions so I don't know how that's gonna work. Also, by the end of the PPV the whole submission gimmick will be played out, I think.

 

[Phoenix]

So does this mean that this Submission PPV is replacing Unforgiven? I checked WWE.com and Unforgiven and Breaking Point are both on September 13.

I don't think Breaking Point is a bad name at all. What I don't see is how they are going to have enough wrestlers to fill in the matches. Not alot of people know or do submissions so I don't know how that's gonna work. Also, by the end of the PPV the whole submission gimmick will be played out, I think.

I just read that this is happening, no more Unforgiven! Was a good name, one they had for 11 years!

And I do agree that there's little selling in this more than anything, hope they don't mess it up or at least come up with things that are interesting to make it a decent PPV!

 

[RKO18]

Personally I am a huge fan of the WWE's themed PPV approach. I think it can give the smaller shows a greater feeling of importance, like NOC for example. I do not however understand how Breaking Point can work in professional wrestling. Unless Im wrong this is the new September show where every match is a submission match. How will this work?. Does everyone need to develop submission moves now? And how am I supposed to believe that some of the current superstars can make anyone tap out? Anyone out there know anything more about the show?

Thoughts?

 

[tyler1995blue]

OK, I have a few problems with this idea. First, don't get me wrong, I love seeing a good submission match, but a whole PPV just for Submissions? That is a little over the top if you ask me. I mean we already have too many PPVs and you guys want to add one that is like that? I feel that we should already eliminate Extreme Rules and Cyber Sunday because, Extreme Rules is just a little crazy. I mean how do you have nothing but gimmick matches? And Cyber Sunday was good for the first 3 or 4 years, but know we are voting on the same things over and over.

Don't get me wrong, TNA has Don't Surrender, but I think that is their WORST PPV. How could WWE have a full match card with 6 or 7 superstars who can get submissions and make it look good? I really don't like this idea at all.

 

[Motor City Mayhem]

I like it. I think its going to be good to see some none-submission type wrestlers have to come up with something to pick up the win. I think guys like John Cena, CM Punk, Taker will be able to excel in this because they all have a submission finisher. I think itll be pretty badass.

 

[owen9110]

I think so,

IMO submission matches, moneuvers and finishers have been buried for a long time now, remember Y2J winning with the Walls of Jericho, anaconda vice anyone??

But with this new PPV does it mean that this will be the only time we see submission used to win? To me this makes it look like submission moves are not in the same league as some double-armed-flying-death-suplex-drop or whatever else they make up for a power bomb.

People need to remember that submission is a big chunk of technical wrestling and showing it off once a year in a B-class PPV is not what WWE needs to bring submission back to the new era of wrestling.

Opinions anyone?

 

[Lil Wes]

It's not the worst idea, the worst idea is having so many fucking PPV's, in such bunched up time. You can't build quality storylines in 2-3 weeks.

But yeah, It's fucking stupid. TNA and WWE both need to cut it out with all the gimmick PPV's. Half the company's roster doesn't know what a submission hold is, outside of headlocks and armbars. This is just main event submission matches, right? God help us if it's a full card. Nobody gives a shit about submission wrestling anyways, this has been proven in the past. Me thinks this buyrate will be pretty low. Cyber Sunday was a garbage idea, and so is this.

 

[klunderbunker]

In theory, this is a very smart idea for one reason: MMA fans that are kind of into wrestling might buy it to see if they like the product. If they do, then you've won a new fan. the majority of the fans will buy the show because it's what they're programmed to do and it's a novelty. Vince is going to keep pumping out PPVs because he gets a high profit off of them considering the buys and the attendance. If he can make them for cheap and score on them, why not do it as long as it's working?

 

[Jtkronus]

To me this is like a tea-bag to Bret Hart after the screw job. 12 years later Vince McMahon can't still get his head out of his ass. Every one knows that Bret got screwed in Montreal off the half-ass Sharpshooter by HBK. Now they want to go back and make a submission only PPV? That is a slap to the face to the fans in Montreal. This is just wrong. Not only is this idea a bad one but also an embarrassment.

 

[justinsayne]

I think the all HIAC PPV they are planning on having the following month is a far worse idea than and all submission match PPV, we rarely see Submission matches these days so it'll be somewhat fresh a different, the only problem is will there be enough guys who know how to wrestle this type of style match to make the card worth a shit?, this is a concept WWE should have ran with about 5-6 years ago when they had the likes of Benoit, Guerrero, Angle, Jericho, Storm, etc. on the roster

 

[Lil Wes]

In theory, this is a very smart idea for one reason: MMA fans that are kind of into wrestling might buy it to see if they like the product.

I don't really keep up, so I could be wrong but hasn't TNA already tried this and it failed miserably? Hell, they're on a network that airs MMA shit nonstop, and it didn't work.

There aren't very many MMA fans that like wrestling, they laugh at it for it being fake. This is why Lesnar and Lashley have been ripped and booed out of buildings before and during matches. MMA and WWE are pretty different with just about everyone that I know, you're either going to love one and dislike the other, or dislike them both. I don't see many they like both except JMT and Marquis. But that may just be me. If I was Vince, I'd be more focused on bringing the male fanbase he's pretty much alienated back with better television that isn't so damn cheesy and kid based. Submission wrestling isn't going to do that. All the technical wrestling/wrestlers have always been poor draws. See WWE after Austin left and Beniot, Angle, Eddie, Jericho etc.

 

[Nate DaMac]

To me this is like a tea-bag to Bret Hart after the screw job. 12 years later Vince McMahon can't still get his head out of his ass. Every one knows that Bret got screwed in Montreal off the half-ass Sharpshooter by HBK. Now they want to go back and make a submission only PPV? That is a slap to the face to the fans in Montreal. This is just wrong. Not only is this idea a bad one but also an embarrassment.

Not to be a dick, but what the fuck are you talking about? What does this have anything to do with The Montreal Screwjob? I'm kinda on the fence with the idea. On one hand, it could produce some interesting matches, but on the other, not a whole lot of submission specialists these days. These gimmick PPV are always kinda iffy.

 

[gd]

I don't think it such a bad idea. I'm pretty sure only the main event matches will be submission matches, so I'm the the WWE can find a few guys who can wrestle a pretty good submission match.

At least it will be somewhat interesting and there will be some reason for somone to order/watch the PPV. Unlike other random PPVs no one cares about because there is nothing that makes the standout (The Bash, Armageddon, No Mercy, etc).

 

[lenguy]

wwe should stop being like mma/ufc/watever else,they would work on just being wwe.and yes the WHOLE ppv is submission based.which is stupid.wouldnt be half as bad if it was just the mainevents.but an entire ppv?after the 3rd match i think id call it a night.or at least try and wake myself up.most submission matchs i just cant get into.unless the people contending actually know decent submissions.with the current roster.theres what..jericho? cena and his stfu?hbk and hhh might lock on a figure 4.but really who else?
i honestly hope they fail epicly and i hope that they never touch the idea of a submission based ppv again

 

[avi01]

I don`t like it. Kinda sound boring to have a night of submission matches. This is the type of match that fit well in a ppv if there`s only 1, it can even steal the show but all matches being submission doesn`t seem very interesting to me.

 

[Saddler The Great]

In theory, this is a very smart idea for one reason: MMA fans that are kind of into wrestling might buy it to see if they like the product. If they do, then you've won a new fan. the majority of the fans will buy the show because it's what they're programmed to do and it's a novelty. Vince is going to keep pumping out PPVs because he gets a high profit off of them considering the buys and the attendance. If he can make them for cheap and score on them, why not do it as long as it's working?

pffffffftttt....are you kidding me??? MMA fans won't buy shit...they'll laugh at this dumbass idea...the only MMA fans that will watch this are fans that support both UFC and WWE (me for example). No1 in hell that is a pure MMA fan will tune into this shit...

as for me, i'll prolly watch the first 2 matches then close the fuckin window because this will be the biggest fail for WWE in recent memory. how the fuck do you expect to pull off 6-7 submission matches in 1 night? That will be boring as fuck...like honestly...the only person who uses subs currently is what, John Cena? hahaaaaaaaaaaahahahah this PPV will fail epicly. Whoever thought of this idea needs the hardest slap to the back of the skull possible.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

pffffffftttt....are you kidding me??? MMA fans won't buy shit...they'll laugh at this dumbass idea...the only MMA fans that will watch this are fans that support both UFC and WWE (me for example). No1 in hell that is a pure MMA fan will tune into this shit...

as for me, i'll prolly watch the first 2 matches then close the fuckin window because this will be the biggest fail for WWE in recent memory. how the fuck do you expect to pull off 6-7 submission matches in 1 night? That will be boring as fuck...like honestly...the only person who uses subs currently is what, John Cena? hahaaaaaaaaaaahahahah this PPV will fail epicly. Whoever thought of this idea needs the hardest slap to the back of the skull possible.

Did KB say anywhere in that post about true MMA fans. He said MMA fans who are kind of into wrestling so read carefully before you criticize. Pure MMA fans probably won't buy into it but if you are a MMA and wrestling fan, you would buy the PPV. This would create more money for Vince and he would grab a whole new demographic.

 

[Tenta]

I don't think we can actually say that it's the "worst idea ever". You see, quite simply enough.... It hasn't even happened yet.

I'll admit, the concept itself may seem inappropriate for the time being, what with the lack of legitimate submission holds as finishers. However, like KB said, this does a pretty decent job at capitalizing on a market such as MMA fighting. However, KB and I differ in one area; that while MMA is a legitimate situation, and one never knows what to expect, The WWE's programs are scripted, and we are led to suggest that certain things will happen on the show. What is alluring to the fans of MMA is the idea that somebody is going to get knocked out instantaneously. If the WWE can manage to grab that same sort of feel for the fans, in which the match can end at any point, then I would agree that this pay per view could work out. But to call it the worst idea ever is sheer madness. We have yet to actually see the layout of the event, or what the actual event pertains to. While it could be bad, it has just as much chance of being good, as well. I'd buy it, just like any other Pay Per View, and the fact that it's a submission based PPV is not going to detract me from using my dollars to pay for the event.

I guess my point is this... This type of speculation really doesn't prove productive for any reason, and for that matter, all it will do is cause confusion on your part, and dissuade you from purchasing the pay per view, even if the lineup is great for it. Don't try and count yourself out just because it sounds different, or because you have no idea what it's going to be like. Give it a shot, and then if you feel it was the worst idea of history, then it would be appropriate for you to state such a thing.

 

[Paradox]

I'm actually kinda looking forward to it. It's different. The last submission match was Cena vs Show and that was the first submission match in a long time. I think it will be much more interesting then the HIAC ppv that's going to be the next month. I know many think that it's going to be horrible, but kinda like submissions ending a match. There are a lot of great wrestlers out there who have some great submission holds that don't get to use them.

 

[zags]

You have maybe 4 guys who have submission skills. Cena, Jericho, HBK, Taker. 2 of which are currently out. So unless they sign like 10-12 submission specialists, yeah this could be the worst idea ever.

 

[The Todd]

Give them a break and wait to see how it goes first. At least they are addressing the problem that they have 12 PPV's and they are mostly identical. WrestleManiaand Summerslam aren't as big as they used to be because the matches taking place happen at the lower PPV's all the time.

Giving PPV's gimmicks is a good thing so each one can be unique. Now they have the big one, the big summer one, the Rumble, Survivor Series (that needs more elimination matches as it's becoming too similar too), Extreme rules, No Way Out with the EC matches, Breaking point. They should have kept cyber sunday too, even though it's shit.

Having different PPV's makes the buyer think they are getting something different each time. Could you tell me the difference between Unforgiven, The Bash, Armageddon and No Mercy? No. So why would you buy basically the same product four times over.

 

[insertwprds10791]

I've spoke on this topic before, and, as always, I'm taking a "wait and see" approach like Pebble.

At first glance, yes, it appears to be a poorly constructed idea. I mean, I love a good submission here and there, but 7-8? geez. even 3 seems excessive. But here's a thought: who's to say they're only doing straight "submission" matches? I Quit match, Ironman Submission, and taking other matches making it submission only. How would a TLC match be if you could only win by submission? Yeah, probably not that much more spectacular, but they could be conjuring up matches we've never even seen. There is so much potential in Breaking Point.

On the other hand, yeah, it could be 7-8 plain submission matches that straight blow. But like I said, we have to wait and see. I don't plan on buying it, but I might see if some friends wanna split the cost or go somewhere that has it.

 

[Big Sexy]

This a bad idea because with the current roster that the WWE has there aren't very many guys that use submission moves. Especially in the main event. Taker has his choke hold, Cena has the STF, and Jericho has the walls of jericho, but that's about it. I don't want to see guys like Triple H, Randy Orton, Jeff Hardy, or Batista trying to win a match with a submission move. This has the makings of a very boring PPV.

I'm not sure why the WWE has gone to these gimmick PPVs. It reminds me way too much of TNA, and why any wrestling promotion would want to be like them is beyond me. Hopefully the HIAC PPV doesn't have every match inside of the cell, just the heavyweight title matches.