Breaking Point - World Heavyweight Champion CM Punk vs. Undertaker (Submission Match)

[Jack-Hammer]

I just don't see CM Punk winning this match. I think it'll be a great match, I just think the two of them will have great chemistry, but I just don't see it. Now, we may all be shocked come Breaking Point as it's always possible the Undertaker just might tap out. Never say never in wrestling, after all.

However, it's just something that's difficult to imagine the Undertaker doing. The scenario I'm hoping comes about involves neither of them coming out of the match with the title but with each having some sort of legitimate beef for as why the other guy shouldn't have it. I'd sort of like to see Punk placed in Hell's Gate and be in it for a while all while struggling to get to the ropes or to position himself as to where he has his hand or his foot underneath the ropes, which means the hold is supposed to be broken. However, the ref is so focused on asking Punk if he's ready to give it up that he doesn't notice that Punk's under the ropes. Now, of course, as Punk is in pain and is probably in a state of panic that the hold isn't being broken sees no choice but to tap. Ref calls for the bell, gives the strap to Taker and Taker is about to celebrate.

However, another ref comes out or maybe even Teddy Long himself does and declares he has no choice but to void the decision. He could make a little statement that it wouldn't be the fair thing to do to restart the match because Punk isn't in the shape to continue because he was held in the hold for much longer than he should've been and he shouldn't be held accountable for referee errors. Long, not being sure what to do, declares the match a draw, the title vacant and will make a choice as to what to do about all this on the next Smackdown. Build up the feud for the HIAC ppv, give both Punk and Taker reasons for why they felt they were robbed at Breaking Point and just keep escalating the feud over the weeks.

 

[Deexter Jorgan]

X made a good point here, Punk needs to be made to look credible.

Having taker come back and beat Punk for the title would be a waste, Punk needs to be a credible champion and the WWE needs to keep to its premise of putting over young and fresh talent on the smackdown brand, If they are just going to throw the title around takers waste it would mean that all the hard work that has been put into the brand over the last year would have been for nothing.

IMO I see Punk winning via submission beating taker using some underhanded tacktick but maintaining his championship reign with a win over the deadman.

I would MTFO if Punk beats taker using the anaconda vice It would be a huge moment for anyone who has followed the WWE career of the straight Edge egomaniac, and would prove that the WWE is focusing on taking its brands in the right direction and not trailing back to using older more established stars, lets hope Punk wins this.

 

[grillzman859]

What's wrong With punk makin Taker tap? I think it would be great to see that. Hell if Taker could take a lost against Khali,Kozlov,Henry(Wrestlers who Cant Even wrestle) Then Why Couldnt He Lose?I feel that if punk does make taker tap this would definitely solidfy Punk's ME status. I understand the earlier posts about Taker should win but what would that benefit Punk If He was to lose his title to Taker. He needs to win this match to even show that he could be a legitmate threat. Let's Be honest: Would U Really Think That Punk Could possibly beat Taker 6 months prior?

 

[RIPMOOSE316]

First off let me say, I hate CM Punk as a Champion, i do not find him being champion the least bit believable in any sense, he's one of those guys that should just stay on the midcard becuase he will never draw a real dime.

But to the topic at hand, anyone who says that the match is going to end by DQ or countout...well you an idiot its a submission match, the only way to win or lose is by submission, ever watch the austin v bret match? obviously no DQ. Anyways, I see taker finally getting his long title reign, so Punk will lose. They will go onto to a hell in the cell and Punk will lose again, I mean taker will make punk look like gold, but i dont believe punk is on that level yet for a lengthy title reign. NO ONE wanted to see him win money in the bank(including me) why would we want a length title reign? the Straight edge thing only works well for me if he's a heel who's always in the hunt, not ontop the mountain. Don't get me wrong though, punks talented but i just dont see him as a maineventer.

 

[school-of-hard-knocks]

I think that the Undertaker will beat Punk. They will probably throw some kind of controversy in so that Punk doesn't loose all of his credibility. Then a month later Punk will probably win the belt back making it lead into Hell in a Cell match.

 

[Midnite Express 2009]

I honestly hope that Punk retains. First of all, it would add even more credibility to his character if he beats Undertaker on Taker's return. Don't get me wrong, I love Taker, always have, always will. But if WWE is truly trying to bring the new blood into the fold, having Punk beat Taker (dare I say, cleanly) would more than enhance Punk's career right now, especially in the eyes of the so-called WWE Universe (Goodness, I hate that term, makes me think of Red Sox Nation, no offense to any Sox fans). Anyway, plus this would do nothing to deminish Taker's career. I think at this stage, Punk's push/reign needs to last a little longer than just being a transitional champion, and beyond that, he would completely get the ultimate heel at this stage if the fans see him as beating both Hardy (and subsequently running him out of the WWE) and THEN beating Taker in a Submission match nonetheless. Taker truly deserves a title run one more time, no doubt about it, but keep the belt on Punk until say, the RR, have Taker beat him, go into WM undefeated AND with the title (something he's never done before I might add), wrestle Edge (or Jericho perhaps???) with the title AND the streak on the line...Now that's interesting storyline people.

 

[TheDandTheV]

I'm a huge CM Punk fan and I don't want to see him lose the title at breaking point, but I can't see him making Taker tap. If he does win though it's gonna be in some cheap way to keep the fued going.

 

[WWEFANAUZZIEPRIDE]

I just don't know what to think of this one. I mean, I wouldn't expect Taker' to lose his first match back, but then again Swapping the title every pay-per-view in my opinion is really decreasing it's worth. I can't really see CM Punk making Undertaker tap (Anaconda Vise maybe??), Yet I can't see WWE taking the title off Punk this early if they are going to establish him as a top-class heel champion. I don't know how CM Punk is going to get out of this 'cheapishly', as i think Submission matches have no rules, i may be wrong though. But i do think somehow Punk will emerge from this bout with the strap, but in a way that will allow the feud to continue

 

[headake151]

If i were Vince and I'm not heres what I would do....

Taker is on the verge of winning when Big Show and Jerricho interfere and beat UT sensless. (Show left SD after The Undertaker got the best of him in their fued) This would do two things shortterm, keep the strap in Punk and make UT look dominant in his return. Longterm, it could set up a handicap fued and when the tag champs are too much a possible brothers of destruction reunion. This would create an awesome, relevant tag fued with 4 former champions and an eventual, long awaited, UT/Jerricho fued when the team fued ends. Also, this would create more heat for Punk in turn creating a bigger face opportunity for Edge.


I am aware this is mere hope and speculation but who would object to any of this other than VKM of course??

 

[Coco]

I like the idea but your facts are wrong so the inspiration for JeriShow doing a run-in is ill-informed. After Mania, just before Backlash, Show and Taker had an awesome match on SmackDown that Show won with one of his best right hands ever. After that, Taker hadn't been seen until SummerSlam. So it's not as though Show needs revenge on Taker. It's the other way around. Now if we could start a side feud with Taker and Show next week on Smackdown, your ending makes more sense.

As I said, I do like the idea. BOD vs. JeriShow would really have to carry SmackDown though as Punk doesn't exactly have many strong face contenders lined up if they go that way, especially with Rey out. Morrison simply doesn't have a strong enough connection with the audience at this point to center a show around him.

That said, no way it will happen. I also see some sort of bullshit ending as Taker losing by submission and Punk losing the belt just aren't endings that seem either possible or logical. So a bullshit ending takes us home to Hell in a Cell.

 

[Joker ' Ferreira]

The only way I see this match ending is with a double submission ending.

It wouldn't end CM Punk's reign and wouldn't "hurt" Undertaker's dominance when he makes his return.

It would also lead to a rematch, where Punk could eventually get the upper hand by cheating, and eventually ending their feud at Hell in a Cell PPV, where Punk could win thanks to outside interference, making his title reign a little more credible, we could drop the title one or two months later, I think it would lead to a 4 o 5 months reign.

 

[Blade]

For the first time in a while, WWE have set up a match where it's practically impossible to figure out who will win this.

Yes, Undertaker is returning. But in 2006, Undertaker came-back after a short break. And he lost his first PPV match when he returned then, in the World Heavyweight title match against Kurt Angle. So just because it's Undertaker's first PPV match back doesn't mean he'll definately win. But then again he's never tapped out.
But no doubt Undertaker is willing to put Punk over, he wants to help make new stars.

So I think we gotta go for a draw here. Like when Undertaker was helping make Brock Lesnar and Batista, his first title match against both men ended in a draw. So that's gotta be what WWE are going for here, cause either man winning will make the other look kinda bad.
It's a draw at Breaking Point and then the feud gets some real build up and Punk pulls off a victory at Hell in a Cell. That's how it should be booked, but it probably won't happen like that. Knowing WWE, Undertaker will win the title, someone will screw Undertaker in the re-match, then Punk will move on to his 4th bad title reign...

 

[Wrath]

I don't actually think it's a very unpredictable match. Everyone is curious about how can Punk find a way to retain his title and why would Undertaker return to lose his match. Everyone forgets a fix WWE used before in situations like this. It's simple getting Punk dq'd. You might now ask me isn't the only way to win a match is by submission but does anyone remember Jericho being dq'd in a fatal fourway match and moreso Vince has said on the last edition of the RAW that if Orton get's himself dq'd or counted out(in a no dq match) he would lose his title. So WWE would easily keep Punk champion by getting himself dq'd it's the only way he could retain his title. Other than that there is no fucking way Undertaker losing his return match by tapping out.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Well, there's another possible scenario that the WWE could use with both guys still coming out looking good. I agree with Blade as he mentioned that both guys would look sort of bad if they submitted. This being the first match, I highly doubt that Punk will go over clean.

The DQ idea has been mentioned, it's basic and predictable but it can work without either guy losing face. But, the other scenario I mentioned would be what if one or the other was simply "knocked out"? In a match like this, there's a good chance the ref is gonna get poked in the eye or knocked down or something so what if Punk grabbed a chair while the ref was down and simply used Taker's head for a baseball? Taker takes a few "knockout" shots. Punk goes over to the ref, drags him over, slaps Taker in the Anaconda Vice while he's unconscious, ref checks Takers' arm and it drops 3 times, Punk retains and Taker keeps face as he didn't exactly tap and Punk comes out looking like a good, resourceful heel working the situation to his advantage.

 

[TwistofRKO]

There will be something screwy that goes on. Think outside the box here.

Fact 1: Undertaker will NOT tap out.
Fact 2: CM Punk will retain

There are multiple scenarios, such as this being no DQ and the Undertaker losing like Stone Cold did vs Bret Hart. I think we'll see something semi-creative that gets the feud boiling both men's blood and gain steam for their Hell in a Cell.

 

[WWEFANAUZZIEPRIDE]

There will be something screwy that goes on. Think outside the box here.

Fact 1: Undertaker will NOT tap out.
Fact 2: CM Punk will retain

There are multiple scenarios, such as this being no DQ and the Undertaker losing like Stone Cold did vs Bret Hart. I think we'll see something semi-creative that gets the feud boiling both men's blood and gain steam for their Hell in a Cell.

I agree COMPLETELY. There's going to be a situation where both men's credibility won't be hurt because they're not going to deminish Punk's Title run already, yet they won't make Taker lose his first match back from his epic encounter with Michaels. The match will end in contoversy and will allow the feud to continue

 

[andymcg]

As silly as this sounds ive been thinking and perhaps have thought of an ending. I agree Taker wont tap, but i cant see CM Punk losing the title this quick.

Now in Jeffs goodbye speech he said "theres another hardy on the show", and obviously if someone made your brother lose there job you would want revenge.

So how about Matt Hardy has somthing to do with this match ? Maybe comes in and takes out Punk or somthing along them lines. I think the 2 main Title matches are going to end in some sort of rammy, as both title matches have problems in the way of who will/should win.

 

[The American Legend]

I could see Matt Hardy interfering in this match. A shame, since I think Punk and Taker will put on a really good match that deserves a good ending. Like they're both in a submission hold, and they both tap or 'pass out,' kind of like Ken Shamrock and that other dude on Pride a couple of years ago.

 

[The Pope CTC MEM]

why the fuck is Taker in this match?? this is just like the jericho cena match at survivor series (i think) anyway i think taker will win coz as many have stated he has only tapped out once and this is his return so he should win. oh and also since he is massively over.

 

[Slowdude]

Why can't Taker tap?

If they want to push CM Punk to the moon here is your chance. Making a man who has never, or only tapped once what ever tap, that would boost Punk extremely far. Seriously why can't Taker tap? This isn't his WM streak, everyone has to tap out eventually.
Like if Punk does make Taker tap that would boost his credibility up so much its not funny. Hell if Taker doesn't tap, have Taker pass out. Let Taker put a good fight up for a minute or two. Then eventually he just passes out.

 

[grillzman859]

Why can't Taker tap?

If they want to push CM Punk to the moon here is your chance. Making a man who has never, or only tapped once what ever tap, that would boost Punk extremely far. Seriously why can't Taker tap? This isn't his WM streak, everyone has to tap out eventually.
Like if Punk does make Taker tap that would boost his credibility up so much its not funny. Hell if Taker doesn't tap, have Taker pass out. Let Taker put a good fight up for a minute or two. Then eventually he just passes out.

I agree with slowdude 100% Punk Needs This Win More Than Taker. This Would Not Effect Taker at all He Already Beaten The Best From Past and The Present and He Did Everything In Wrestling, What Elses Does He Need Accomplish To Be On Top?

 

[Wasim Perviz]

I agree with slowdude 100% Punk Needs This Win More Than Taker. This Would Not Effect Taker at all He Already Beaten The Best From Past and The Present and He Did Everything In Wrestling, What Elses Does He Need Accomplish To Be On Top?

I feel Punk is going to win but not clean. I feel we are going to see a screw job and remember the events location has a history of this. I feel the match will be great but Undertaker is not walking out champion.

 

[jsm]

I think Undertaker will win the match, because he has never tapped out. Also, CM Punk's title reign really won't last only one PPV, because he's basically been champion since Extreme Rules. They only gave Jeff the title so they could extend the story and let him hold the belt one more time before he retired. So Punk's reign has basically been from Extreme Rules through Breaking Point. Also, Punk can't get counted out or DQ'd because in a submission match, the only way to win is by submission. Go back to the greatest submission match of all time- Bret Hart vs Steve Austin. That match was brutal, and they used everything but the kitchen sink in that match. So there is no way for punk to escape, which means Undertaker will win the title.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

This is going to be an interesting match. On one side, you have the man who has signatured two deadly submission moves (the triangle hold & Hell's Gate) & who has NEVER tapped out to a submission ever in a legally sanctioned match. For the other, you have a well-disciplined, multi-fighting background that features many upon many submission holds as one of the fundamentals of the fighting styles who used to make many opponents tap out to the Anaconda Vise.

Undertaker can serve his purpose well in the ring every time he steps in his yard. He always gives a 110% when he competes in these PPV matches & tries to make the crowd get into the match. He is one of the most respected men to ever grace the ring, possibly one of the best in the business today & is a HUGE draw anywhere he goes. He knows how to work any match with any opponent he has been given. I will not be disappointed with how Taker performs in the match... however, he needs a couple of warm-up matches before the event to rid of any ring rust he may have.

As for CM Punk, he is the man who will either break or make the match. This guy can certainly perform in the ring despite the little amount of time he has spent with the company. He has adjusted well to the WWE's wrestling style very well. His heel character is just oozing pure gold & the way he conducts himself is even better. He is very lucky to be with the likes of Undertaker if he were to screw up, which there is a very little chance for Punk in doing so. This feud will do nothing but wonders for Punk as he will benefit from the experience of the veteran Undertaker who can certainly pass on his secrets of wrestling magic to Punk to replicate for years to come.

This match-up is even & both men have a good chance at winning the title. However, I will bet my house that Punk will win the match & retain the title due to the fact that they are building Punk up to be a solid main eventer & a credible wrestler on the roster. With his efforts over the years, he deserves the push.

 

[Paradox]

I just thought of something, with the whole Punk taker match at Breaking point. What if Punk puts 'Taker in a submission (which I hope is the anaconda vise.) Though 'Taker never taps out. Kinda like what happened with Austin. I don't know if it would happen, but it would let Punk win. Getting him more over, and it doesn't hurt the reputation of 'Taker... Just a thought because I don't see Punk dropping the belt to 'Taker, and I don't see 'Taker tapping out.