WWE Breaking Point

[IrishCanadian25]

So WWE has an interesting new PPV Format Idea...it has something to do with submissions. I think it's genius. A real chance to separate men from boys and put some real playaz over.

The even cooler part about it is this:

WWE sent out emails to subscribers of the "WWE Universe" today asking fans to help name a future WWE event that features submission matches. The list of potential names in the email included: WWE Total Submission, WWE Submission Sunday, WWE Breaking Point and WWE Submit & Quit.

Personally, I'd like to see this event called "WWE Tapped Out."

The ideas they had are ok, but "Submission Sunday" is too similar to "Cyber Sunday," and "Breaking Point" to me is a band, not a PPV name.

What are some of your ideas for the name of the Submission-style PPV, and what do you think of the event? Remember, this is a non-spam section, so simply entering the name of a PPV with no explanation will result in an infraction.

 

[Leeds Guy]

that is a great idea for a PPV. The Tapped Out name is pretty good for it as well. Problem is not alot of superstars use submissions now-a-days. Which could end up hurting the PPV. for example John Cena has got the STF and Jericho has got the Walls but who else uses submissions... Batista/Orton/MVP/Hardyz/Rey/Morrision Etc they all dont have a submission move in their arsenal. I've noticed an increase in people using the sharpshooter and figure four leglock at the moment but everybody can't use those as their submission moves can they?

 

[Razor]

Well, we could always bring in WWE: House of Pain. Though I remember that from what, a game? Maybe a previous ppv? If someone can help me with that, I'd be much obliged.

How about WWE: On The Ropes? Keeps with the Submissions being broken by reaching for the ropes, and avoids the cliche Pain or Bending Bodies reference.

And if you think On The Ropes sounds to high-flying/not submission enough, go with WWE: Disjointed . Then they can get all "He's bending his body in such a contorted position, Jericho is definitely going to have Mysterio Disjointed on Sunday." on us.

Though i really do like the idea of a submission ppv. Nothing but 3 hours of J.R. yelling "BAH GAWD, he's got him locked into that hold! He can't get out!" I don't know how well it would go though, unless more workers suddenly learn new holds. So many people use the Torture Rack/Rest Hold/Nerve Pinch it'd get really old really quick.

 

[Planty]

Its times like these I wish "No Holds Barred" didn't have another meaning in wrestling. I mean that would have been just perfect!

Other suggestions:

Relinquished
Resistance
Toleration Night
Exclamation Point
White Flag Revelations
Duration
Ropeburn

Or something about trials would be good

Trials and Tribulations
Resistance Trials

Actually, with Razorback's idea as inspiration combined with one of my own, I kinda like: Rope Resistance.

 

[Murfish]

Breaking Point

That name would kick ass. The title of the ppv has to either cover pain or competition. Trial of Will would work to hype this as a night of straight out physical contests. Subjugation would work well with the idea of dominating your opponent. You were right in saying that Tapped Out is a good name; it emphasizes the exhaustion that these matches will cause.

I'll think of more later and made it overly wordy to avoid spamming.

 

[Baller]

Personally, I would go with WWE: Tapped Out just due to the back it hits the point right on the head and you no it means submission. This isnt that good of a name but i came up with it WWE: Slap the Canvas

 

[shazam]

I think that this PPV could be pretty sweet, or it could completely suck. I mean I like that something new is being tried and submission endings can be great, think Austin vs Hart. But then if we have to see superstars that don't know how to do them that could take away from a great match and if my count is right there are alot of superstars that could headline this ppv that don't submissions.

But when it comes to PPV names I like Tapped Out, these are all I could think of...
Pain Games
Tapped
Strangle Hold
Surrender (could use a word before or after it maybe)
Renounce
Collapse

 

[2012isbs]

TNA has a good one No Surrender maybe WWE could buy it off them. I think "Tap or Snap" and angle could return there, unless that's copyrighted by TNA. It's not good one but Stretching the Limit.

 

[supersayian]

wwe total submission sounds alright but i do like tapped out. this is a good idea. but like said a lot of guys don not use submissions. coping off old ones should not count. come up with there own move. others beside Cena are Edge, HHH, Taker, Shelton. edge has the edgecution. HHH has figure four leg lock. Taker has hells gate or whatever it is called now. Shelton has the Texas cloverleaf or atleast he use to. this could be really good or really bad like said

 

[miroa12004]

WWE Tored and Broked. A badass name for sure
I think that might be good idea but will it actually work?
I mean how many wrestlers are good in submissions right now in the WWE, if lets say for example we have a match like yesterday's between Morrison and Benjamin, two guys who are awesome but aren't submission style, there match will probably end with one of them either passing to a sleeper hold which will be lame or tapping to a headlock which will look more lamer, and these are just to name a few of WWE's roster who won't fit in this PPV's Style.

 

[MikeKillam]

I've wanted to see some really good submission matches for a long time now. There are some guys on the roster right now that can put some really good matches.
But I'm not exactly excited to see a full PPV based around the match.
I'm just imagining how it's going to go over. They'll most likely get rid of a lesser important PPV, since a lot of them have gimmicks now. You have Night of Champions, the Scramble Match, the RUmble, Survivor Series, the Money in the Bank, Elimination Chamber, etc.

I'm going to guess it won't be any time soon, and probably will debut next year if ever. So let's just say it debuts in place of either No Mercy or the Great American Bash or Extreme Rules. It's after the Draft so anything's possible...the great matches would be with Jericho, HBK, Undertaker, Jack Swagger, Bejamin, Haas and then maybe CM Punk, Mysterio, and Morrison.

So maybe we'll have a few good matches like Jericho vs. Morrison, but...who wants to see John Cena vs. Big Show in a submission match? Triple H vs. Randy Orton in a submission match? Mark Henry vs. FInlay in a submission match?
All I'm saying, is that there's no way WWE is going to tone down their main eventers, who mostly have no submission ability, so that the guys who do, can put on great matches. We're still going to see Triple H, John Cena, Big Show, Kane, etc...and I don't think they have any business putting on those kinds of matches.
But I would LOVE to have one at Cyber Sunday. Jericho vs. Mysterio would be good.

 

[miroa12004]

I've wanted to see some really good submission matches for a long time now. There are some guys on the roster right now that can put some really good matches.
But I'm not exactly excited to see a full PPV based around the match.
I'm just imagining how it's going to go over. They'll most likely get rid of a lesser important PPV, since a lot of them have gimmicks now. You have Night of Champions, the Scramble Match, the RUmble, Survivor Series, the Money in the Bank, Elimination Chamber, etc.

I'm going to guess it won't be any time soon, and probably will debut next year if ever. So let's just say it debuts in place of either No Mercy or the Great American Bash or Extreme Rules. It's after the Draft so anything's possible...the great matches would be with Jericho, HBK, Undertaker, Jack Swagger, Bejamin, Haas and then maybe CM Punk, Mysterio, and Morrison.

So maybe we'll have a few good matches like Jericho vs. Morrison, but...who wants to see John Cena vs. Big Show in a submission match? Triple H vs. Randy Orton in a submission match? Mark Henry vs. FInlay in a submission match?
All I'm saying, is that there's no way WWE is going to tone down their main eventers, who mostly have no submission ability, so that the guys who do, can put on great matches. We're still going to see Triple H, John Cena, Big Show, Kane, etc...and I don't think they have any business putting on those kinds of matches.
But I would LOVE to have one at Cyber Sunday. Jericho vs. Mysterio would be good.

Plus you need to remember the fact that making all matches on PPV(average 6-8 matches) all submission matches will make the crowd asleep pretty much most of the night, much like having a PPV with all matches inside a cage kills the crowd momentum like what happened recently at TNA Lockdown.

 

[Greenlight13]

Tap Out sounds good to me, but the clothing brand would probably protest. Of their ones I like Breaking Point personally. I love the idea of this PPV also, they will probably replace extreme rules with it. Works for their PG rating and would be interesting to see some of the non-submission orientated guys try and force a tap out.

Orton headlock of doom-ing someone unconscious would make me laugh.

I personally believe every single wrestler should have a pin move and a submission move, just makes things interesting.

 

[Harthan]

I think if we get a submission pay per view, we won't see just standard submission matches. You might see standard submission matches, Ultimate Submissions, I Quit matches, No DQ submission, and the like. Still at the end of the day, submissions, but it gets a little more exciting. Plus, there's nothing to say that the entire match will be hold, reversal, hold, so on (which I'd like, but certainly a number wouldn't), but standard matches that see submission finishes. Cena, for example, would probably wrestle a regular match but finish with the STFU. Or any wrestler might wrestle a match regularly, then hit his finisher, and rather than go for a pin, lock in a nasty submission. I think we'd wind up seeing a nice balance of matches, at the end of the day.

Anyhoo, names. Breaking Point sounds really good to me, actually. It fits the theme perfectly and it sounds like a solid PPV name. Tapped Out is solid, but it's a little risky with the Tapout brand name being so big. Unless WWE could get it sponsored by Tapout, which would be fantastic for them. I agree that Submission Sunday won't work out, unless they ditch Cyber Sunday, which I'd rather they didn't. I've always been a fan of that gimmick. I'd go with Breaking Point over all of them.

 

[Black Snow]

I like "Breaking Point." Maybe they can call it "Point Break" so we can get some Swayze action.

In all seriousness though, this idea is either brilliant or completely stupid. So few guys nowadays even have legit submission holds. Those that do rarely use them. I can't think of anyone besides Cena or 'Taker who get fairly regular submission wins and both of those guys' opponents look silly selling their moves. I can't remember the last time Jericho won a match with the Walls. Edge sorta does the Sharpshooter now. I love the idea of a great submission wrestler going up against someone who never uses submission holds but how many matches can they sell on that concept?

The WWE is going to need to make submissions more of a regular thing if anyone is going to buy this PPV.

 

[IamRage]

'WWE Threshold' or however its spelled. 2 make it clear if any1 hasnt noticed only 1s a viable choice, Breaking Point the othr 3 are fillers 2 give the illusion of fans deciding. GR8 concept but y not make 2/4 actual good names so we really could decide?

 

[Dr. Stinger A. Zoidberg]

Well, we could always bring in WWE: House of Pain. Though I remember that from what, a game? Maybe a previous ppv? If someone can help me with that, I'd be much obliged..

Charlie Hass's finisher is the "Hass Of Pain"
There was a Smackdown:Here Comes The Pain

As for the PPV, I like Breaking Point

 

[shafe_41]

I think it should be called "WWE: Hey! We Have Another Terrible Idea." An entire PPV of submission matches is a horrible horrible idea. Especially around a match that not everybody can look good in. Anybody can look good in a No DQ match and such if they just beat the shit out of each other. A concept PPV of submission matches is a shitty idea no matter how you do it. The ONLY exceptions I've seen to this of having a good concept PPV is TNA's Lockdown. They have sucked the last 2 years but 07 was AMAZING. The other Lockdowns prior to 07 were pretty good too. I will preach til the day I die that was one of the best PPV's I've ever seen...ever (Lockdown 07). EVERYBODY should try to watch that at some point because it was balls.

Anyway... an entire night of submissions? Borrrrrrring. I just can't stress it enough. I can barely name 5 guys on the roster that have a trademark type submission move that they use on a regular basis. Cena, Jericho, Regal, Taker... I'm done. I know there's probably more, but wtf? How will HHH make someone tap? Or Orton? MVP? BATISTA?????? Oh yeah... Flair will "teach him" the Figure 4 or something stupid like that. This is just not a good idea at all because I think it takes a really special superstar to put on a good submission match. The only guys that I can think of that have put on good submission type matches to my knowledge were guys like Benoit, Flair, Milenko, Jericho, etc... Oddly, all Classic WCW guys. I just don't like this idea at all. Sorry guys.

 

[Tenta]

Hmm....... Depends on which way we're taking this PPV, in terms of design.

I'd have to go with something like "Dungeon". See, it's kind of a play on words. Not only are we talking a house of torture, but we could also be talking about Stu Hart's dungeon as well.

That would mean, of course, that there would be a Lion's Den Match, something that I don't understand why the WWE never tried after one match. It was a decent match between Owen Hart and Ken Shamrock. It's simple.... Take the best shoot fighters you can find (in this case... Hmm.... I'll go with Undertaker and Finlay... Maybe Kozlov.... I don't know), and have them fight in the cage.

 

[Decarow]

They could turn either No Mercy or No Way Out into the submission ppv. WWE: Tapped Out is too close to that Tap Out MMA shit. WWE should keep originality.

 

[pyrusane]

They could turn either No Mercy or No Way Out into the submission ppv.

OMG, No Way Out would be perfect for this concept. But...no.

I submit for your dissection WWE:Total Domination. A PPV of submission matches doesn't have to mean it's full of nothing but grappling and matwork, just that you dominate your opponent until you make them quit. I remember a NoDQ submission match a few years back between Rey Mysterio and Chavo Guerrero where Chavo made Rey give up by trapping him in the tree of woe in the Titantron struts then repeatedly slamming a chair into his knee. Not exactly your classic submission move there...

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I could honestly give a shit less what warped and corny title they come up with. If I get a $50.00 (in HD) Pay per view filled with nothing but submission matches I'm gonna be pissed the fuck off.

Might as well call it "W.W.E: Here Comes Gimmick Infringement on U.F.C" for all I give a shit, because an ALL-Submission p.p.v would NOT work for their roster. Not even every top star has a viable Submission that'd be workable. Look at the list.

John Cena - S.T.F(.U)
Big Show - One armed Clutch
Edge - Edg-u-cator (modified sharpshooter) He's also used the sharpshooter lately)
Shawn Michaels - Modified Figure Four
William Regal - S.T.F(UK? )
Chris Jericho - Walls of Jericho
C.M Punk - *forgot name* It was basically an arm/neck submission
Undertaker - Gates to Hell
Mark Henry/Kozlov - Bear Hug (they don't use often, but have used it)

Out of that list, you leave out some TOP named Superstars who'd miss the cut on this shit-tastic new event. Triple H (I didn't put in) has used an Indian death-lock from time to time, but I don't recall him winning anything with it. At least all of the above mentioned names have won their matches w/ said submissions. Same w/ Finlay and his Irish named leg submission that he apparently has, yet I've never seen him use.

Fact is, not even all the above names use those moves. Fuck, Big Show just started using that choke-out clutch and that's only to build up for a piss poor attempt at making someone think he stands a chance against Cena in a submission match at One Night Stand.

Now, if you want me to play along with giving a "Unique" title for a possible Pay per view, fine..

W.W.E presents: Survival of the Fittest: If it's all submission matches, it'll get stale and old pretty quick. But the title fits, because in order to win - you've got to survive. You can't run, you can't hide, you can't lose in any other manner than to quit or tap out.

Bottomline - I could care less what you call it.. but what it's gonna be, is a failure and a colossal waste of my money.

 

[pyrusane]

Big Show just started using that choke-out clutch and that's only to build up for a piss poor attempt at making someone think he stands a chance against Cena in a submission match at One Night Stand.

Is it just me, or does that Big Show submission look a hell of a lot like the Million Dollar Dream. It's kind of hard to tell, because he's so damn big that it just looks kind of clumsy, but the first time I saw it I would have sworn that's what it was.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Is it just me, or does that Big Show submission look a hell of a lot like the Million Dollar Dream. It's kind of hard to tell, because he's so damn big that it just looks kind of clumsy, but the first time I saw it I would have sworn that's what it was.

If you're referring to the standing Clutch he used to use, that was never a submission by his terms. He just locked it in, and swung his opponent around. I'm referring to his modified version of a Camel Clutch/Steiner Recliner.

He's been using it to a lot of people lately. He locked it in on Lawler tonight, and Lawler barely sold it being worth a shit. He didn't hold his breath to get red in the face or anything, just tried (badly) crossing his eyes and then closed them to act "passed out".

Again, this "new" Pay per view or "event" is a massive failure in my eyes before it ever starts. If people like Brock Lesnar, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Perry Saturn, Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn and other actual submission experts were still in the Company it'd be moderately worth thinking about. But with your top submission star being a guy that badly locks in an S.T.F - it's another meaningless waste of money.

My bigger question is, will this be a new event to replace a current one, or will this be a new event to be added to the list of already too many Pay per views? Because I'd hate to think it could do either.

 

[Sivsyboi]

I'd screw the new name and just change No Mercy into the submission PPV. It works for the name means that I don't have to pay more money to see an extra one on top of the 15(-ish) that I used to buy in (I've stopeed buying them in since Wrestlemania)