Wrestler Who has achieved the most fame with the least talent...?

[X]

First things first, everyone on this thread has been saying the same damn thing. Batista, Hogan, Cena, Khali,... If you don't have anything new to say, don's say anything at all.
Now, my choice for the worst wrestler with the most success is Stone Cold. i know, we all love Steve, but he has very little in ring ability. He had great promos, classic feuds, and hilarious moments that will live on for ever in wrestling history, but he couldn't wrestle. Does anybody truely think about Stone Cold and think, "hey, remember that awesome match he had against that one guy?" No! Austin is only famous for his "fuck the boss" attitude he took on and for his one and only effective move.

Have you ever actually seen Steve Austin wrestle? Even AFTER he broke his neck he put on classic matches, not to mention beforehand. I'm sick and fuckin tired of people acting like Austin wasn't a good wrestler, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIM WRESTLE? Look up his matches with Bret Hart, Ricky Steamboat, his Hollywood Blondes days, hell even look at his attitude era matches against guys like the Rock and the Undertaker---classic matches.

Austin is one of the most talented in ring performers of all time, nobody seems to notice however as they get too caught up in the beer-drinking finger flipping Austin and not Austin as a wrestler.

 

[knights11281984]

i gotta say warrior the only memorable thing about him was the angle he had with papa shangoo. the other wrestler i think of is the big poppa pump scott steiner the original scott steiner could wrestle the big poppa pump one just looks like a steriod abusing wrestler who only does three or four moves and attacks people from behind.

 

[hatehabsforever]

I would have to say Christian Cage. Very average in-ring skills. Below average in terms of physical size. Excellent on the mic but that often is not enough to elevate yourself to the next level. When he was in WWE as part of the Brood, I never saw his career going anywhere. When tagging with Edge, I never thought Christian would have any success in terms of singles wrestling, I always thought he was overshadowed by Edge. Even during his later days in WWE, I never expected him to excel to the point that he has.

Granted he is currently a big fish in a very little pond, but even still, he is doing very well for himself in TNA. I wonder if, hypothetically speaking because it will never happen, he were to return to WWE, could he carry on his current success as a singles wrestler, especially with the injury situation in the WWE right now, or would he return to the mid card again?

Either way, I pick Christian. As well as all of the obvious ones mentioned above (Hogan, Batista, Cena).

 

[wwenba]

The fact that you started this thread by saying not making it a Cena thread is funny to me. This is a cena thread because he has had way too much success for his lack of wrestling skill. People can say names like Batista and Khali but Cena has much more fame than them. I think he is probably real high on the list of worst WWE Champions of all-time along with Vince McMahon. I think wrestling skills is a much harder talent to have then mic skills.
The fact is that many kids who watch wrestling think he is "the greatest wrestler of all-time" which is more than a stretch.

 

[Dj Martyn]

Nah i didnt mind people bringing up cena, i just didnt want it too evolve into a I hate Cena, i love cena. Cena is amazing, Cena sucks, Spam based thread.

Its funny how two recent WWE champions are top of the list Cena and Batista, and alot of the new generation stars like khali and lashley. Then there is alot of older stars like Ultimate Warrior and Hogan, but not many Attitude era stars.

 

[Slyfox696]

For anyone who says Cena, Hogan, Andre, or Foley, I disagree with you vehemently. They are all fantastic workers. But, that's not here nor there.


I think the two that immediately sprang to my mind are The Ultimate Warrior and Lex Luger. In addition, I agree with those who say Batista.

 

[Wrestlefan73]

Easy: Goldberg: WcW actually piped in the crowd chanting his name over the PA just to get him over with the crowd.
Batista: HHH is the only reason he's still in WWE.
Mark Henry: Darn, he just got hurt again.
Warrior: He was always sloppy in the ring, couldn't talk on the mic for nothing.
Khali: The guy killed somebody in the ring while training.
David Arquette: He was WcW World Heavyweight Champion!
Every other celebrity to get into a ring.
Most of the WWE Divas
Raven: He used to be better, but since his WcW days, he seems to not give a crap about the business.
Goldberg: He was so awful he gets put on the list TWICE!
Lex Luger: My puppy has more talent than he ever had.

More later.
To everybody saying Hogan didn't have talent. Remember, he was the first ever professional wrestler to have never wrestled before getting in the business. Meaning no high school or college wrestling background. Whether you liked him or not, the guy can still put an ass in every seat in the world because of his charisma.

 

[NWO_Hogan]

What is the point of this thread exactly? Since when did WWE mean "World Wrestling Talent"? It's all about the entertainment and that is all I care about. To be honest with you, the most "talented" wrestlers are the most boring.

I think Chris Benoit is a very talented wrestler but if you look at him...his presence alone puts me to bed. There really isn't anything exciting about the guy. He is a little twerp head with a hockey haircut and he is missing teeth. He wears boring ring attire and has nothing ever exciting to say. He is the epitome of boredom. Rob Van Dam is another one. He has a lot of talent rolling around and doing the splits, but on the mic he could cure anyone's insomnia. His one piece that he wears with his ying and yang symbols are enough to create global yawning and he's just virtually pointless.

There are some guys who have terrible mic skills but do still have more look about them that doesn't make them as boring. Johnny Nitro comes to mind for this. First off, his name is Johnny Nitro. Already pretty cool. Aside from that, he actually HAS a gimmick. He's suppose to be like this Hollywood hot shot that everybody hates...and he's too good to even be in the presence of you. Now that's actually exciting.

Back in the day it didn't matter who had talent or didn't because it was extremely exciting with all the gimmicks. A millionaire trying to buy everyone. A guy with a snake who threw it on you after. A barber, a sailor, a slave, a cop, a clown, a natural disaster, a model, etc. The list goes on. Even the Ultimate Warrior didn't have much talent but his image alone was enough for millions to want more. These were the days. This is when it actually lived up to it's "entertainment" name.

Now a days they just grab the biggest guy out there with muscles and no mic skills and give him the title belt. Granted, Cena has SOME mic skills, although they are weak and I don't really care for them. Bautista, Brock Lesnar, etc. All of these guys are virtually pointless. Unless you are humongous like Andre or The Great Khali. You better be able to speak appropriately to fill your part.

And what is with the names these days? Nothing cool anymore (besides Johnny Nitro). It's all regular guys names and it's been like this for almost 10 years now. Incredibly boring. "John Cena". "Brock Lesnar". etc. These names are just so boring. If you're going to have a regular name have it at least sound cool or have a title in front of it like "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (named after Bret Michaels from Poison, same look too at the time...already badass).

So anyway, sorry I took up everyones time but I hope you at least got something out of this...good or bad. I've been watching wrestling for a long long time. I can accurately predict everything that goes on every week even if I take a year hiadus from watching. That's how predictable it has gotten.

Look for no big titles to change hands at this pay per view. John Cena will again some how beat Great Khali (i think they are ruining this, they always under sell their huge guys....Big Show was turned into a jobber at one point)...Edge stays champ. The McMahon one is the only interesting thing. I really hope they eliminate ECW because it's already ruined and pointless. So if that is set to happen, McMahon stays champ and it just fades away. If not, Lashley will win. As for all the other matches, who cares.

Until next time.

- Hogan

 

[X]

Maybe Benoit bores you NWO_Hogan, but to almost everyone else he doesn't.

This is one thing I don't understand---when people say Benoit can't get over or is bad on the mic. First of all, when does he EVER get to talk on the mic? Maybe once a year at most? Obviously it's not going to sound too good---his mic skills however, though not the best, are more then good enough to support him in any feud he happens to be in---he's just got the perfect voice for a promo, and if you remember the promos he used to cut on Jericho back when they first entered the WWF, you'll know he isn't bad on the mic.

As for being boring...explain then why the crowd gives Benoit one of if not the biggest pop of the night every time Smackdown rolls around? Chants of "Benoit" anyone? He's hugely over and if you're bored by him then perhaps you're just bored with the fact that he's one of the greatest in-ring performers of all time. I'm glued to the seat in his matches, no matter who it's against---the man can drag a good match out of ANYONE.

And as for RVD not having mic skills....I'll just say if you watched his tenure in ECW, you'd know that isn't true in the slightest. RVD is more then capable with a mic.

For me the obvious answers are just John Cena and Batista. But I won't explain those because I already have tons of times.

 

[dd22wwefan1]

Now, I truthfully think that Sean Waltman got a lot of popularity or heat or whatever in DX, but I thought he sucked.

And, just a quick side question. Razor Ramon vs. Sean Waltman on RAW. I've seen it. What was the big deal about that whole 123 kid defeating Razor Ramon?

The big deal at the time was that the 1-2-3 Kid was a jobber (or as we called them in our household, "nobodies"). Back then most of the WWF programs were filled with squash matches with the superstars beating the jobbers or "enhancement talents" within a few minutes.

Sean Waltman, as The Lightning Kid, was getting quite a bit of press in the independent organizations in the early 90's as a pretty good high flyer for that time.

And so he debuted in 1993 in the WWF. For a few weeks he was a jobber and had a different name each week. If I remember right, he was "The Cannonball Kid" one week. And then he went up against Razor Ramon and for that match was simply called "The Kid." I remember it vividly.

Because I knew it was just another "nobody" going to lose to Razor, I went into the kitchen to get a drink while my sisters watched Raw. Then out of nowhere my sisters yelled "The nobody just won!!!!!!" It was crazy.

Jobbers didn't ever win back then. That was the big deal. It not only made Sean Waltman a star, but it also helped to put over the Monday Night Raw show in general as a show where anything can happen. I believe it was that very same episode where Marty Jannetty came out of the crowd, challenged Shawn Michaels for the I-C title, and beat him. That was a damn good episode for Monday Night Raw in it's early stages.

So yeah, that's why it was a pretty big deal. It doesn't seem like much now as the match wasn't really spectacular. But looking at it from a fan's perspective back then, it was really shocking to see a jobber/rookie beat an established star. It just didn't happen back then.

Peace.

 

[dd22wwefan1]

I thought this was a really interesting thread.

But some of the answers I've seen I think were more out of pure dislike for certain wrestlers (Cena and Hogan being the big two), rather than who truly had the least talent.

I think the person that started this thread was meaning the wrestlers with the least overall talent. I don't think he meant just in-ring ability-wise talent. Cause yeah Cena and Hogan (though both are pretty underrated in my book in that department too) would probably be amongst the least talented in-ring ability-wise wrestlers to achieve the most success.

So if people are judging purely on that, then I can see why they're saying Cena and Hogan. But if people really believe that Hogan and Cena have absolutely no talent AT ALL, I think those people are really selling those two guys short. Especially Hogan.

Sure in-ring ability is important, but that is not the only important skill it takes to be a successful professional wrestler. Crowd psychology, mic skills, charisma, all of those traits are just as important. Hogan had more talent for working the crowd in his pinky finger than probably the entire current WWE roster has combined. Hogan was a master at it and did it probably better than anyone in the history of the business. You can hate him all you want, but during his heyday in the 1980's WWF, did you ever hear "Boring" chants or see the crowd looking dead for his matches and not giving a crap? Absolutely not. People actually cried when King Kong Bundy and Earthquake "injured" Hogan and made it seem his career is over. That takes talent to get the crowd to love you that much and make such an angle so believable. Hogan's matches, while not technical classics were far from boring and had the crowd on the edge of their seat. Yeah it was the same match over and over again. But it always worked. Denying this is merely selling Hogan short, or letting your dislike of the man, or need to be different and cool and apart from the mainstream cloud your judgement.

Cena is on a similar level, but not quite the level of Hogan. Cena is definitely not the most talented guy to achieve the level of success that he has, but I can certainly think of guys that are far less talented from both an in-ring ability standpoint and charisma standpoint than John Cena.

And the person that picked Steve Austin? LMAO, is the only response I can give.

If I was going to pick the least talented "superstar" in wrestling, I think I would go with Goldberg. He had no passion for the business, had very little in-ring ability. Was sloppy and dangerous. And didn't have much charisma to boot. The Ultimate Warrior was very similar, but he had a far more unique and interesting character and far more charisma than Goldberg, therefore, I'd say Warrior was more talented than Goldberg.

So if I was gonna pick one, I'd go with Goldberg. That's my two cents.

Peace.

 

[NWO_Hogan]

Maybe Benoit bores you NWO_Hogan, but to almost everyone else he doesn't.

This is one thing I don't understand---when people say Benoit can't get over or is bad on the mic. First of all, when does he EVER get to talk on the mic? Maybe once a year at most? Obviously it's not going to sound too good---his mic skills however, though not the best, are more then good enough to support him in any feud he happens to be in---he's just got the perfect voice for a promo, and if you remember the promos he used to cut on Jericho back when they first entered the WWF, you'll know he isn't bad on the mic.

As for being boring...explain then why the crowd gives Benoit one of if not the biggest pop of the night every time Smackdown rolls around? Chants of "Benoit" anyone? He's hugely over and if you're bored by him then perhaps you're just bored with the fact that he's one of the greatest in-ring performers of all time. I'm glued to the seat in his matches, no matter who it's against---the man can drag a good match out of ANYONE.

And as for RVD not having mic skills....I'll just say if you watched his tenure in ECW, you'd know that isn't true in the slightest. RVD is more then capable with a mic.

For me the obvious answers are just John Cena and Batista. But I won't explain those because I already have tons of times.

How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? My guess is that you're fairly young. Never really watched the good old days of wrestling.

The reason people cheer for Chris Benoit is the same reason people cheer for Eugene. He's an underdog good guy. A little small guy who is a "skillful" fake wrestler, but has to go against all odds to win his matches. People like that crap. To me, the guy is a bore. He puts me to bed. I don't care about how many belly to back suplex's he can do in a row to a guy. I don't care that afterwards he can do a head drop on a guys chest. It's boring. His whole image is boring. He has rotten teeth, a hockey haircut, and the most boring tights ever that only rival rob van dams for "most boring outfit". Even Hogan's plain yellow trunks with red pads were more exciting than his pants. You're right. The guy doesn't talk on the mic. And there is a reason for that. They know he's boring. The WWE knows what his role is. They are doing a good job keeping it that way. They see him just as I see him. Some boring wrestling who has in ring skills that people root for as an underdog. That's about it. I'm sorry but I think it's incredibly boring. I like wrestlers with pizzazz. Especially since it's fake wrestling. It's entertainment. So entertain me! I like a good storyline with a wrestler who can entertain me on all aspects. Chris Benoit has never been in a good storyline because he can't be. He's just too boring to do so.

Now Hulk Hogan is a far worse "wrestler". But he is extremely exciting with his theme music, entrance, promos, and the way he works the crowd. That's really all you need. The Warrior? bad wrestler...ok? who cares. The guy's entrance was enough excitement to put people into cardiac arrest. The music, the shaking of the ropes, the face paint, the colors, etc.

I mean do you see what I'm saying? There is a reason it's called World Wrestling Entertainment. It's the entertainment business. It's not real. It's all an act. And they should do a better job building everything up.

Anyway, there's my rant for the day.

- Hogan

 

[X]

How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? My guess is that you're fairly young. Never really watched the good old days of wrestling.

No, I'm 22 and I've been watching wrestling since I was 6. You do the math.

The reason people cheer for Chris Benoit is the same reason people cheer for Eugene. He's an underdog good guy. A little small guy who is a "skillful" fake wrestler, but has to go against all odds to win his matches. People like that crap. To me, the guy is a bore. He puts me to bed. I don't care about how many belly to back suplex's he can do in a row to a guy. I don't care that afterwards he can do a head drop on a guys chest. It's boring. His whole image is boring. He has rotten teeth, a hockey haircut, and the most boring tights ever that only rival rob van dams for "most boring outfit". Even Hogan's plain yellow trunks with red pads were more exciting than his pants.

First of all, that is complete bullshit. When the fuck has Chris Benoit EVER, EVER been in the role of the underdog? Ever? He hasn't. I don't know where you pulled that one from. And for you to call Benoit a fake wrestler is even more laughable. What is a real wrestler then? Excuse me, but last time I checked the catch as catch can style of wrestling still counted as wrestling--and thats the style the WWE performs. I don't know if you know this or not, but the wrestling the WWE does, is real. The outcome is predetermined and certain spots to a match are sometimes scripted, but every single hit, every single bodyslam, every single move done in that ring is real and it hurts, and if you've ever gotten into a ring like I have you'd know that. Then you go on to criticize his teeth, haircut and clothes. Wow. What solid arguments with real facts and meat behind them. I'm afraid I didn't know your wrestling tights determined your worth as a wrestler, my bad.

You're right. The guy doesn't talk on the mic. And there is a reason for that. They know he's boring. The WWE knows what his role is. They are doing a good job keeping it that way. They see him just as I see him. Some boring wrestling who has in ring skills that people root for as an underdog. That's about it. I'm sorry but I think it's incredibly boring. I like wrestlers with pizzazz. Especially since it's fake wrestling. It's entertainment. So entertain me! I like a good storyline with a wrestler who can entertain me on all aspects. Chris Benoit has never been in a good storyline because he can't be. He's just too boring to do so.

I'll admit Benoit isn't exactly electric on the mic, but he's much more talented on it then say someone like John Cena is. And no actually, I highly doubt that the WWE sees Chris Benoit as a "boring wrestler who people root for as an underdog". I'm pretty sure they see him more along the lines of "living legend". Benoit has never been in a good storyline? And you're reasoning for this....because he can't be? What the hell does that even mean? First of all I can name many great feuds and stories that Benoit was involved in---his storyline with Kevin Sullivan strike any bells?

 

[Slyfox696]

There are some guys who have terrible mic skills but do still have more look about them that doesn't make them as boring. Johnny Nitro comes to mind for this. First off, his name is Johnny Nitro. Already pretty cool. Aside from that, he actually HAS a gimmick. He's suppose to be like this Hollywood hot shot that everybody hates...and he's too good to even be in the presence of you. Now that's actually exciting.

Yes, it's just shame they wasted a good gimmick on someone with TERRIBLE mic skills. And, people without mic skills bore you, correct?

Back in the day it didn't matter who had talent or didn't because it was extremely exciting with all the gimmicks. A millionaire trying to buy everyone. A guy with a snake who threw it on you after. A barber, a sailor, a slave, a cop, a clown, a natural disaster, a model, etc. The list goes on. Even the Ultimate Warrior didn't have much talent but his image alone was enough for millions to want more. These were the days. This is when it actually lived up to it's "entertainment" name.

A boogeyman, a leprechauns, a ******, a Hollywood hot shot, a Samoan savage, a narcissist, a vampire...there are plenty of gimmicks to get you excited about these days.

And what is with the names these days? Nothing cool anymore (besides Johnny Nitro). It's all regular guys names and it's been like this for almost 10 years now. Incredibly boring. "John Cena". "Brock Lesnar". etc. These names are just so boring. If you're going to have a regular name have it at least sound cool or have a title in front of it like "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels (named after Bret Michaels from Poison, same look too at the time...already badass).

You mean like The Dr. of Thuganomics, or The Crippler, or The Rated R Superstar or The Samoan Buldozer or The Next Big Thing?


I also want to nominate Sid for this list.

 

[jeigh]

Anyway, I'd have to say Andre, I have respect for the guy because he managed to perform despite his bone disease. But, face it, he couldn't wrestle...though I'm not sure he'd be able to wrestle with his frame and condition. His promos at face value are pretty bad, but funny none-the-less . So, not a great deal of talent, but he was a huge star just because of size, rather conventional ability...

In his younger day, Andre was a _great_ wrestler for someone his size. Before the acromegaly got too severe, he could hit everything from dropkicks to suplexes to tombstone piledrivers, knew all the basics, and while it was hard for someone his size to sell anything but a squash, he was pretty good at selling a storyline, especially for someone whose English (and Japanese) was never that great.

Compare that to the other "supersized" wrestlers; there's really no comparison.

 

[NWO_Hogan]

No, I'm 22 and I've been watching wrestling since I was 6. You do the math.



First of all, that is complete bullshit. When the fuck has Chris Benoit EVER, EVER been in the role of the underdog? Ever? He hasn't. I don't know where you pulled that one from. And for you to call Benoit a fake wrestler is even more laughable. What is a real wrestler then? Excuse me, but last time I checked the catch as catch can style of wrestling still counted as wrestling--and thats the style the WWE performs. I don't know if you know this or not, but the wrestling the WWE does, is real. The outcome is predetermined and certain spots to a match are sometimes scripted, but every single hit, every single bodyslam, every single move done in that ring is real and it hurts, and if you've ever gotten into a ring like I have you'd know that. Then you go on to criticize his teeth, haircut and clothes. Wow. What solid arguments with real facts and meat behind them. I'm afraid I didn't know your wrestling tights determined your worth as a wrestler, my bad.



I'll admit Benoit isn't exactly electric on the mic, but he's much more talented on it then say someone like John Cena is. And no actually, I highly doubt that the WWE sees Chris Benoit as a "boring wrestler who people root for as an underdog". I'm pretty sure they see him more along the lines of "living legend". Benoit has never been in a good storyline? And you're reasoning for this....because he can't be? What the hell does that even mean? First of all I can name many great feuds and stories that Benoit was involved in---his storyline with Kevin Sullivan strike any bells?

Listen, let's agree to disagree. You like to watch WWE (world wrestling ENTERTAINMENT) for the scripted maneuvers. I like to watch it for the whole package. Sure I like scripted maneuvers too...but I like the charisma, the character, the entrance, the theme song, the look, the mic work, etc. I like the whole thing. Chris Benoit lacks every one of those except for his in ring skills. Kurt Angle had the same in ring work skills except he had a great character, great entrance, theme song was great (courtesy of ripping off "The Patriot"), had a great gimmick and look to him, his mic work was genius....guys like Kurt Angle made Chris Benoit look even worse.

I respect Chris Benoit. He is a legend and he is really a good wrestler. I loved when he was in the four horsemen getting beat up on by the NWO. I think he is always good as a throw in for a good match up. I don't, however, visualize him as a world champion. When he won the world title, I thought that was the biggest mistake ever. Same when they made Rey Mysterio champion. I knew right then, they were running out of ideas.

The WWE is known for ruining storylines a lot lately. They tried to bring back the NWO and ruined it. The NWO went from being a dominant force in WCW, rarely ever losing and literally instricting fear into the wrestlers all over...then WWE turned them into a group who literally NEVER won. They were getting beat up constantly until nobody cared about them anymore and they faded away. All their, so-called, GIANTS they get. The Big Show, The Great Khali, they have lose on a constant basis. They turned the big show into a jobber for a while. It's just unrealistic.

Back to Benoit, Van Dam, Rey Mysterio, and the other boring wrestlers who are really good with their scripted in ring material...that's great for someone like yourself...who may also be just as boring. Settling for the minimum. Or maybe you just look at each maneuver as something else. I don't know. I look at things differently. I've been watching Wrestling since the first Wrestlemania. I loved the gimmicks back then. Later on...people piss on him now...but The Ultimate Warrior was unreal. His entrance along was all he needed to succeed. Sure Vince and everyone slammed his mic work in the DVD about it being all weird and shit, but why did they keep letting him do it? Why didn't they say anything if they didnt like it? Because it worked. Little kids were eating it up. I did when I was little.

Anyway, I agree, John Cena sucks. I actually know him personally. A teacher who works at my old High School was roomates with him in college at Springfield College in MA. They're both jerks.

But say what you want, I think Benoit is boring. End of story. Mainly...because he is.

Hogan

 

[NWO_Hogan]

Yes, it's just shame they wasted a good gimmick on someone with TERRIBLE mic skills. And, people without mic skills bore you, correct?

A boogeyman, a leprechauns, a ******, a Hollywood hot shot, a Samoan savage, a narcissist, a vampire...there are plenty of gimmicks to get you excited about these days.

You mean like The Dr. of Thuganomics, or The Crippler, or The Rated R Superstar or The Samoan Buldozer or The Next Big Thing?


I also want to nominate Sid for this list.

People with bad mic skills do bore me. You're right. That's why I have a hard time liking Johnny Nitro, even though I like his gimmick a lot.

Boogeyman is cool, I like that gimmick. It's very similar to Papa Shango meets Kamala. Leprechaun? Who? The ****** is pointless. I dont like that gimmick, already said I enjoy the hollywood hot shot image, samoan savage is hardly in the same league as these others...but I still enjoy it, Chris Masters used to be like a Narcissist although he's not anymore after his steroids suspension, I like his gimmick though, who's the vampire?

As for the names before the boring names...Dr. of Thuganomics doesn't appeal to me. Boring name still. "The Crippler" is pretty boring. Even "The Rabid Wolverine" is boring...mainly because he's just so small and it doesn't even make sense when you look at him and how little he is. He belongs in the lightweight division. The Rated R Superstar is a great name to put in front. I like Edge. Samoan Bulldozer is cool, etc.

I never said they didn't have SOME good ideas. They just aren't anything near as good as when some of us were younger.

-Hogan

 

[Slyfox696]

Even "The Rabid Wolverine" is boring...mainly because he's just so small and it doesn't even make sense when you look at him and how little he is.

Umm, do you know how hard it is to take you seriously, when you say that a wolverine isn't a good nickname because a guy is small?

I never said they didn't have SOME good ideas. They just aren't anything near as good as when some of us were younger.

Yes, because gimmicks like Skinner, The Berserker, The Warlord, The Red Rooster, Zeus, The Texas Tornado, Gobbeldy Gooker...were all great gimmicks...

 

[Y 2 Jake]

The Honey Badger would be an excellent nickname for Chris Benoit. I hear there evil.

Unfortunatley I see Snitzky being added to the list. I feel there's a feud coming up between him and Cena. But not before he gains the I.C. title. Ifeel it in my bones. Mind you I still prefer him to Lashley, Batista & Mark Henry.

 

[NWO_Hogan]

"Rabid Wolverine" is a boring name, I'm sorry. The guy is plain boring. There is nothing entertaining about the guy to me. I can UNDERSTAND why someone like yourself might like him...because he can grapple and give flying head butts. Great. I still think it's boring. There is more to wrestling entertainment than just grapples and maneuvers. They wouldn't HAVE the storylines and outfits if they didn't matter.

As for the Texas Tornado, Zeus, and the rest. I liked the Texas Tornado (aka the Modern Day Warrior)...although, you're naming the weaker ones to benefit your arguement. The Million Dollar Man, Brutus The Barber Beefcake, Razor Ramon, Rick The Model Martel, Jake The Snake Roberts, Earthquake, Big Boss Man, Mr. Perfect, etc. The list of the great ones can go on forever.


Chris Benoit is still incredibly boring.

 

[X]

Boogeyman is cool, I like that gimmick. It's very similar to Papa Shango meets Kamala. Leprechaun? Who? The ****** is pointless. I dont like that gimmick, already said I enjoy the hollywood hot shot image, samoan savage is hardly in the same league as these others...but I still enjoy it, Chris Masters used to be like a Narcissist although he's not anymore after his steroids suspension, I like his gimmick though, who's the vampire?

Okay, first off, it's incredibly hard for anyone to take you seriously when you think that the Boogeyman is anything other then the biggest fucking waste of space to ever enter the WWE. Leprechaun...Finlay ring any bells? You know the little leprechaun Hornswoggle that comes to the ring with him? The vampire is Kevin Thorn. Remember? There are plenty of crappy old school gimmicks around, look no further then the Great Khali. Can you say Indian Andre the Giant ripoff? We've got giants, vampires, leprechauns, the Boogeyman, a ******, an evil sorcerer(Undertaker), his evil brother who also has magic powers, cocky narcissists(Masters, MVP), midgets, I mean what the hell else do you want here? A guy who flies to the ring and breathes fire? You can't get more old school then the current gimmicks are. Fuck they even had Doink the Clown on last week.

As for the names before the boring names...Dr. of Thuganomics doesn't appeal to me. Boring name still. "The Crippler" is pretty boring. Even "The Rabid Wolverine" is boring...mainly because he's just so small and it doesn't even make sense when you look at him and how little he is. He belongs in the lightweight division. The Rated R Superstar is a great name to put in front. I like Edge. Samoan Bulldozer is cool, etc.

First off, I don't know if you're aware of this, but wolverines are incredibly small. So yeah, how doesn't that make sense? Further more, the lightweight division? Are you kidding me? A guy who is 6 ft, 240 pounds is a lightweight now? What world are you living in? It seems you pretty much just immediately dismiss anything new as crap because it doesn't live up to your standards of the golden 80s.

I mean no offense and all...but the 80s were crap. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love the 80s wrestling, I eat it up. And there were some great matches. But as a whole, if you look at the entire 80s, it was crap. Compared to say, the Attituda era that is. I mean, if they tried to pull the stuff they got away with in the 80s these days, people would be up in a storm and would probably boycott WWE for being so lame and behind the times.

Don't get me wrong though, I love the 80s. But for quality of wrestling...not so much.

Thats the reason that the WWE changed in the mid 90s---because their ratings had gone to absolute shit because they refused to change their incredibly crappy gimmicks and storylines that came from the 80s.

Time does not repeat itself, and it never will. The 80s are dead. And all I can say is thank god---because those gimmicks that you claim are so entertaining and great...were really just absolute horseshit. Seriously, every single cartoony gimmick from the 80s and now sucks. Horribly. If you find that entertaining, more power to you. Personally I enjoy a blend of quality wrestling with quality gimmicks/storylines. The 80s weren't delivering that.

Thats my opinion anyways, and please don't take offense from any of it.

 

[traunero78]

Everyone seems to like to diss Benoit's mic skills, but they need to remember something. There are only a few wrestlers that people would consider to have great mic skills, and those wrestlers are few and far between. They have over the top charasmatic gimmicks, and if all wrestlers were like them wrestling would be boring or hokey. A few wrestlers that fall into this category are Stone Cold, Hogan, The Rock, Ric Flair and Jericho.

Then when you get down to the current performers in the WWE noone in my opinion falls into the great mic skills class (well I did mention flair above). I actually think Benoit has better mic skills then Batista, he puts me to sleep everytime he talks. By the way I am talking about only active wrestlers at the moment. Not anyone on the injury list. But on that point I think the next great mic skill wrestler will be Mr. Kennedy, give him more time. I think any smart young wrestler should spend time with Ric Flair also.

 

[Shocky]

I just have a hard time trying to comprehend why someone thinks Chris Benoit is boring. His in ring ability is top notch and can't be touched by anyone on the WWE roster currently. His mic skills are exceptional. No, he won't make you roll on the floor laughing my ass off, but he's to the point, short and sweet.

The problem with a lot of guys on the stick, they drag on for too damn long. I know it's your opinion, but I like the 2002 Undertaker. His best line was "Shut up, and Fight." Perfect description for how I feel about wrestling in general. The promos go on forever and the matches are too damn scripted, I'll give you that point.

The problem is, you've been WWEified. You've been programmed to watch and look for a certain thing. It maybe hard to deprogram yourself, but I highly encourage you to find stuff of RVD, Rey Misterio, and Benoit before they were held back by WWE creative. Find some ECW or Japan stuff, you'll be blown away.

Now for the most fame and the least talent...The Road Warriors.

Did these guys do anything in the ring that was close to an actual wrestling move, hell no. They bullied people in the locker room, intimidated them in the ring, and put all of their money up their nose. I just don't understand the love fest with these two guys. They were bullies, plain and simple, not wrestlers.

 

[Slyfox696]

As for the Texas Tornado, Zeus, and the rest. I liked the Texas Tornado (aka the Modern Day Warrior)...although, you're naming the weaker ones to benefit your arguement. The Million Dollar Man, Brutus The Barber Beefcake, Razor Ramon, Rick The Model Martel, Jake The Snake Roberts, Earthquake, Big Boss Man, Mr. Perfect, etc. The list of the great ones can go on forever.

You're naming the stronger ones to your benefit. *shrugs*

I fail to see your point.

I just have a hard time trying to comprehend why someone thinks Chris Benoit is boring.

That's all right. I'm having trouble getting past this paragraph in his post directed at me without laughing my ass off...

There is nothing entertaining about the guy to me. I can UNDERSTAND why someone like yourself might like him...because he can grapple and give flying head butts. Great. I still think it's boring. There is more to wrestling entertainment than just grapples and maneuvers. They wouldn't HAVE the storylines and outfits if they didn't matter.

Oh, the irony.

Now for the most fame and the least talent...The Road Warriors.

Did these guys do anything in the ring that was close to an actual wrestling move, hell no. They bullied people in the locker room, intimidated them in the ring, and put all of their money up their nose. I just don't understand the love fest with these two guys. They were bullies, plain and simple, not wrestlers.

They were highly entertaining wrestlers. And, they did do wrestling moves. They probably did more wrestling moves than Steve Austin did from 1998-2001. And, they were bad-ass sons of bitches. Their gimmick was to go in and knock the hell out of people, not to get on the mat and technical wrestle with them. They were ass kickers, and damn fine ones. Hell, when Animal came back to Smackdown not to long ago, you could tell how much better he was than a lot of guys he was against. Because he understood how to work a match.

 

[NWO_Hogan]

The attitude era was better than the "80's" era? When I'm actually talking about late 80's and early 90's which you've summed up with "80's".

The "80's" era, as you call it, was what made wrestling what it is today. The reason they changed all the gimmicks wasn't because it was falling apart. It was because they were leaving the company.

The attitude era got their asses beat by WCW right when they started for quite some time. It was not until later when WCW hired ex-WWF writer Vince Russo...where WCW collapsed with bad gimmicks and writing and the WWF swooped in and bought them when they were down and out.

NOW, the WWE has no competition and isn't doing NEARLY as well as they used to. Vince McMahon used to be a billionaire and after the XFL bombing and the lack of competition...less and less people watch wrestling now. TNA is around, sure...but it's no where as big as WCW was. Especially with Ted Turners budget.

So before you bash everything about the "80's", please think long and hard and do some research before you talk nonsense. The "80's" is what made what you're watching today possible.

And the stuff you're talking about that wouldn't be allowed in the 80's...I wouldn't want to see anyway. Like Fabulous Mullah or Maye Young giving birth to a rubber glove?? I mean these things are just pointless.

- Hogan