Would You Consider Bret & HBK To Be The Tupac & Biggie of Wrestling?

[CM Steel]

Just stepping outside of the box here.

The WWE has came out with a DVD about the most controverial rivalry in wrestling. Between Bret Hart & Shawn Michaels.

The history between Bret "The Hitman" Hart and "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels goes back a long way. Both men started off as friends but later became personal enemies with each other over various things backstage. ego, pull, politics. After the legendary "Iron Man" match at Wrestlemania 12. Things really got intense between the two. With things going over board in the WWF/E lockerroom between the two like real-life fist fights, the "cliques", the rumors, ECT.

It got so personal that it almost caused a divorce between Bret Hart & his-then wife Julie Hart (Faith Evens), because Shawn Michaels said something about Bret and Sunny in a interview. About Bret Hart "having Sunny days" or something like that. Around the same timeline in Hip-Hop there was a real deadly feud going between rap megastars 2Pac & The Notorious B.I.G. (may they both R.I.P.). Both of these feuds have simularity's to them.

In the end for Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels it was the "Montreal Screwjob" at Survivor Series. Where everybody was against Bret (2Pac). Shawn Michaels (Biggie) with Triple H & Chyna (Puffy & Li'l Kim) in his corner wrestled Bret Hart in Bret's last WWF match at the time. Where WWF/E chairman Vince McMahon (2Pac's killer) would screw Bret out the match and the WWF championship in Canada (West Coast). Because Vince didn't want Bret to go to WCW with his belt (in Vince's words).

But months later it would be Shawn Michaels time to take a fall. When HBK drop the WWF title at Wrestlemania 14 against Stone Cold Steve Austin. After Shawn broke his back two months earlier in a "Casket Match" against the Undertaker (Biggie's killer), when Taker backdropped HBK on the casket outside the ring.

Now course from those many years ago Bret Hart & Shawn Michaels have now called a truce. And they are once again friends (in real-life). More of enough reason to buy the new DVD!

So would you consider Bret Hart & Shawn Michaels to be the Tupac & Biggie of wrestling?

 

[thachozenonebx]

did hbk and bret die? did their beef create a divide in there given form of entertainment
pac and big had nothing to do with politics and backstage stuff..its very deep

its not even apples and oranges, its more like apples and ground beef ( no pun intended)

 

[SickJames]

I would understand the comparison and it is!

Forget what chozen said, they didnt die, but no one asked if it was an exact replica

Tupac and Biggie were East vs West (West Coast vs East Coast)

Shawn vs Bret was North vs South (Canada vs USA)

The only difference is Shawn and Bret ended better though it took long and Tupac and Biggie ended worse and quicker



The big difference is Tupac and Biggie's stuff was really manipulated by those who would benefit off of it. Vince didnt go out of his way to push these guys to the edge with each other like the media was doing with the East Coast/West Coast thing

Both feuds had real life tension, but one had conspiracy written all over it on a bigger level, though both had em

The Montreal Screwjob was a conspiracy

Tupac's death... conspiracy

 

[Krossbreed]

the nineties was exciting for hiphop and wrestling...i would more see this as a east coast west coast feud where bret would be 2pac who leaves the east side (wwe) and starts claiming the west (wcw)because the east side sold him out and because his comrads on the east were disloyal and the east didnt appreciate him or pay him well enough...so bret would be 2pac. But sorry dude this is one of the out the box threads ive seen on this site.

As far as big and pac ...nah i dont think wrestlers would set up hits they only care about there money, there egos and women.

 

[MFR0mack]

You're seriously reaching with this metaphor. Not even a comparison.

Also, they never got into a fist-fight, they got into a girl fight that was just struggling & pulling hair. Both of them admitted this & numerous guys that were backstage when it happened said it. The "Sunny days" comment never almost got Bret into a divorce. His wife was constantly threatening to divorce before & after that until they finally did it. He even writes in his book, the only thing that comment caused personally was his son asking him if he was "doing things with Sunny" after kids at school made jokes about it.

Shawn & Bret was a case of both men in a business that didn't like each other, but it never caused any bloodshed, death or real emotional trauma. The situations can't even be compared in the slightest and to do so is just ridiculous. There's no similarities. Four different guys, two different businesses, two different backgrounds and completely different outcomes.

BTW, Bret "took a fall" just like Shawn did, except his was permanent & he wasn't able to make a great comeback years later.

 

[MFR0mack]

Shawn vs Bret was North vs South (Canada vs USA)

The big difference is Tupac and Biggie's stuff was really manipulated by those who would benefit off of it. Vince didnt go out of his way to push these guys to the edge with each other like the media was doing with the East Coast/West Coast thing

Both feuds had real life tension, but one had conspiracy written all over it on a bigger level, though both had em

The Montreal Screwjob was a conspiracy

Tupac's death... conspiracy

All these things are wrong.

Shawn/Bret was never about USA/Canada. That difference was brought up in storylines in the last two months of their fued, but it never affected either man's views, whereas Biggie & Tupac used their east and west coast gang affiliations and crews as support for themselves in their songs and their acts.

Vince McMahon COMPLETELY pushed Shawn and Bret to antagonize each other, so did all the upper brass. Both men even acknowledge that in the DVD this thread was made concerning. And the media didn't push Big and Pac against each other. Sug Knight did speak out against Biggie (and all reasonable evidence suggests that he's the one who had him murdered, especially after the FBI released their files on the case earlier this year), but there was no warring management/media trying to make the two guys into bigger enemies.

Montreal Screwjob was not a conspiracy, it was an under-handed business decision. Tupac's death was not a conspiracy, it was a hired hit.

 

[badnewzxl]

the major flaw in this comparison is that the biggest reason for the rap beef was that Pac and Biggie were friends and THEN became enemies; Bret and Shawn were never friends. In Wrestling with Shadows Bret expressed his dislike for HBK's character before the screwjob even went down.

however, I will give you this; Bret (like Pac) blamed HBK for the Montreal Screwjob (like Pac blamed Biggie for setting him up to get shot; the first time Pac got shot) and HBK (like Biggie) denied it. In that sense, they are the same. But there are a LOT of better comparisons and when you compare any feud with Pac and Biggie, the implication is that ppl's lives are in danger (Pac and Biggie weren't the only casualties of their feud)

 

[SickJames]

All these things are wrong.

Shawn/Bret was never about USA/Canada. That difference was brought up in storylines in the last two months of their fued, but it never affected either man's views, whereas Biggie & Tupac used their east and west coast gang affiliations and crews as support for themselves in their songs and their acts.

Vince McMahon COMPLETELY pushed Shawn and Bret to antagonize each other, so did all the upper brass. Both men even acknowledge that in the DVD this thread was made concerning. And the media didn't push Big and Pac against each other. Sug Knight did speak out against Biggie (and all reasonable evidence suggests that he's the one who had him murdered, especially after the FBI released their files on the case earlier this year), but there was no warring management/media trying to make the two guys into bigger enemies.

Montreal Screwjob was not a conspiracy, it was an under-handed business decision. Tupac's death was not a conspiracy, it was a hired hit.

You guys are so quick to bash something just like the thread, it is right

I didnt wanna HAVE to say it, but if you're gonna be that picky about it sure it wasnt a rivalry between Canada and the US, but the similarities are there being that Shawn is a US guy, Bret is Canada's guy. It's simple as that.

The Montreal Incident was a conspiracy. All that means is that it was a plan, a plot by a group of ppl to do harm to another. And it was as underhanded as 9/11. (And I cant even go there with the death thing, I mean if you believe what you read just because its the official FBI story here or what the news, (very credible right?) said

I'll give you the Vince thing, but I meant moreso you dont have it being elevated into something more than it needs to be

Ex: that shit got out of hand with Biggie and Pac, but MOST of the so called feuds with rappers arent real, if you believe that you might wanna look into that, it's all about money. The grounds will bet set to make it appear real, but it's not. Atleast when 50 and Kanye had a nice respectable "challenge" of sorts it was more real than pretending to have beef like some rappers do


Again this is about comparison NOT exact replication, people need to stop losing sight of that

 

[MFR0mack]

I didnt wanna HAVE to say it, but if you're gonna be that picky about it sure it wasnt a rivalry between Canada and the US, but the similarities are there being that Shawn is a US guy, Bret is Canada's guy. It's simple as that.

No, it's not. Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls were notoriously affiliated to west-coast and east-coast gangs. They repped their side, their gangs and everything that went along with it in their songs, their interviews and their life. Gang rivalry had A LOT to do with why Tupac was killed, and Piru Blood members were the people who killed Notorious B.I.G.

On the other side of the coin, patriotism and country-rivalry had NOTHING to do with ANYTHING when it comes to why Bret and Shawn hated each other. It was completely irrelevant to their fued. So you can't draw that connection.

The Montreal Incident was a conspiracy. All that means is that it was a plan, a plot by a group of ppl to do harm to another.

That's not what a conspiracy is. Brush up on your education.

And it was as underhanded as 9/11.

Wow. You're comparing a wrestling business decision to one of the biggest terrorist attacks of the past 100 years. You clearly have issues.

(And I cant even go there with the death thing, I mean if you believe what you read just because its the official FBI story here or what the news, (very credible right?) said

You completely took what I said out of context. I was mentioning that the FBI released all their investigation files on the murder of the Notorious B.I.G. this year, things that had been kept classified for almost fifteen years. They completely and totally implicated Suge Knight, Tupac's former manager, as the responsible party for Biggie's death. Which has been suspected since a released L.A.P.D. officer turned his investigative papers over to the public back in '99.

Ex: that shit got out of hand with Biggie and Pac, but MOST of the so called feuds with rappers arent real, if you believe that you might wanna look into that, it's all about money. The grounds will bet set to make it appear real, but it's not. Atleast when 50 and Kanye had a nice respectable "challenge" of sorts it was more real than pretending to have beef like some rappers do

No, it's not all about the money. Most of the fueds that occur in Hip-Hop happen based on respect issues or background differences (i.e. where you're from and what you rep). You sound like an ignorant white kid making all sorts of assumptions about a community & social scene that you actually have no idea about. You don't seem to have any understanding on comparative metaphors and you really don't have an understanding on either the Pac/Big fued or the Bret/Shawn fued.

 

[kenvin100]

I would understand the comparison and it is!

Forget what chozen said, they didnt die, but no one asked if it was an exact replica

Tupac and Biggie were East vs West (West Coast vs East Coast)

Shawn vs Bret was North vs South (Canada vs USA)

The only difference is Shawn and Bret ended better though it took long and Tupac and Biggie ended worse and quicker



The big difference is Tupac and Biggie's stuff was really manipulated by those who would benefit off of it. Vince didnt go out of his way to push these guys to the edge with each other like the media was doing with the East Coast/West Coast thing

Both feuds had real life tension, but one had conspiracy written all over it on a bigger level, though both had em

The Montreal Screwjob was a conspiracy

Tupac's death... conspiracy

Did you say Conspiracy?

Where the lil Jimmy's at (ok trollin stops here haha)

first off, I love the fact that Canada is the West Side LOLL..that makes me proud haha

But to answer your question, yea I guess there are some parallels..there's one big difference

Bret and HBK forgave one another, and buried the hatchet

2Pac and Biggie ended in two untimely, unfortunate, and quite honestly "stupid" deaths. It clearly did not and should not have ended that way IMHO.

Good observation though. Better copywright this idea before WWE comes on here and finds the top25 2Pac vs Biggie Feuds..you could add Rock and Stone Cold (kayfabe) to the mix

 

[dansaun77]

No, Bret and Julie were having marriage issues a hell of a long time before Shawns sunny days comment. Bret Hart freely admits in his book he was a massive adulterer whilst in his WWE travelling days. No secret to his wife either. I hate reading threads where kids write things that are just palin wrong to try and bolster there topic. Fact is, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels had a falling out solely over each others lifestyle. I love both guys so I can speak without any bias. Bret Hart was old school who took the wrestling business far too seriously, It is in his blood, and it was personal to him. Shawn Michaels got to a point where he thought he was bigger than the company that nmade him, had a horrendous drug problem an Hart, along with the locker room didnt feel a scrawny 200lb kid who had a massive drug problem was the right guy to lead the WWE in the later part of the 90's. As history shows, they were right, WWE ratings were the pits during Michaels title reigns, they didnt pick up until he dropped the belt to Austin and the Attitude era really kicked off. Michaels refused to do jobs for anybody, spitting in the face of the guys who helped make him the number one guy in the company. Hart was happy to drop the belt to Michaels, but Michaels flat out refused to do the favour in return for Bret, thus the Montreal dramas started. Since then it was years of Hart being bitter about his own career ending prematurley, alot of bvuilt up hatred when his brother Owen died. And we only know whats been put out there as fact. Im sure there is a hell of a lot more to both sides of the story. fact remains, Hart and Michaels feud spilled over into real life, like many feuds in wrestling.

 

[SickJames]

No, it's not. Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls were notoriously affiliated to west-coast and east-coast gangs. They repped their side, their gangs and everything that went along with it in their songs, their interviews and their life. Gang rivalry had A LOT to do with why Tupac was killed, and Piru Blood members were the people who killed Notorious B.I.G.

On the other side of the coin, patriotism and country-rivalry had NOTHING to do with ANYTHING when it comes to why Bret and Shawn hated each other. It was completely irrelevant to their fued. So you can't draw that connection.



That's not what a conspiracy is. Brush up on your education.



Wow. You're comparing a wrestling business decision to one of the biggest terrorist attacks of the past 100 years. You clearly have issues.



You completely took what I said out of context. I was mentioning that the FBI released all their investigation files on the murder of the Notorious B.I.G. this year, things that had been kept classified for almost fifteen years. They completely and totally implicated Suge Knight, Tupac's former manager, as the responsible party for Biggie's death. Which has been suspected since a released L.A.P.D. officer turned his investigative papers over to the public back in '99.



No, it's not all about the money. Most of the fueds that occur in Hip-Hop happen based on respect issues or background differences (i.e. where you're from and what you rep). You sound like an ignorant white kid making all sorts of assumptions about a community & social scene that you actually have no idea about. You don't seem to have any understanding on comparative metaphors and you really don't have an understanding on either the Pac/Big fued or the Bret/Shawn fued.

You still are missing the point. This thread did NOT say is it an exact parallel.

It does however say is it the Tupac/Biggie of wrestling feud-wise, that cant be denied and a lot crosses over. It doesnt matter if patriotism was an issue or not primarily. It doesnt mean it isnt a similarity in itself that they represented two different countries as the two rappers represented two seperate coasts

That's all dude, what the fuck are you missing here?

You are expecting it to be an exact cross over or something and a conspiracy is what The Screwjob is

Conspiracy- A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act

9/11 to was a conspiracy, it's NOT a comparison stop reading into it like it is, it just means both feuds had one, it's not comparing one to the other in how big it is or anything


And yes, most rap wars are about money, and rappers have even stated this. The people higher up in the industry work them like puppets to make people talk, keep them side tracked and entertained with what their idols are doing, have them choosing sides, keeping a constant us vs them battle going is a major way they always do this which is why Biggie and Pac's beef was a huge op for those people.

 

[Scorpion Eye]

Interesting comparison, Hart/HBK = 2pac/Biggie. Though, and this is just my opinion, wouldn't the Dr. Dre/Easy E feud be a better example to use especially since Dre made peace with E before he died (if I remember correctly, might be wrong.)

But in all honesty if we are going to compare the Hart/HBK feud to anything why look outside the wrestling world? Especially since the perfect example came almost a decade earlier; Hogan/Savage

I remember shortly after Hogan left for WCW, there was an article in WWF magazine written by Savage (supposedly) explaining to the fans that his marriage to Elizabeth had ended. Also in that article Savage expressed his hatred for Hogan, for testifying against Vince and then bolting to WCW.

Sure Hogan/Savage shared the screen together muliple times both as friend and foe while in WCW after that article was published but as Hogan himself admitted after Savage died, they hadn't talked in yrs.

Though I never liked the way that Vince went about the "Screwjob", I do agree with him when he says, "Bret screwed Bret". Bret made a bad decision to join WCW. They never used him right from the beginning. Tragically, the real only impact Bret made in WCW was Nitro's tribute show to Owen. If he knew then what he knows now, even if you eliminate the Screw Job, I'm sure Bret wouldn't make that decision. Again just my opinion though.

 

[Youngsleez]

yo my dude, i feel you 100% on this for real... the only differences would be pac and big died, and Brett and Shawn got injured (shawns back injury and Billy G sent Brett to a stroke). So I'm a be 100 on this, Yes I can see where you were coming from on this, and this might actually be very close, Brett I think was more of the pac role (which i dont like cause I always like biggie more and I always like Brett more then shawn), and Shawn was more of the biggie role... in turn that would make Vince Puff (i can see that because Diddy still around getting money and better then ever) where as far as music is concerned Shug isnt doing nothing in a major main stream since the decline of Death Row... WCW and Eric Bishoff anyone? and when you think about it, when Pac went to death row what happen... he was hot and his living career was over in just like that, guess what happen to brett... he went to WCW was hot and just like that his wrestling career was over just like that...

 

[SickJames]

yo my dude, i feel you 100% on this for real... the only differences would be pac and big died, and Brett and Shawn got injured (shawns back injury and Billy G sent Brett to a stroke). So I'm a be 100 on this, Yes I can see where you were coming from on this, and this might actually be very close, Brett I think was more of the pac role (which i dont like cause I always like biggie more and I always like Brett more then shawn), and Shawn was more of the biggie role... in turn that would make Vince Puff (i can see that because Diddy still around getting money and better then ever) where as far as music is concerned Shug isnt doing nothing in a major main stream since the decline of Death Row... WCW and Eric Bishoff anyone? and when you think about it, when Pac went to death row what happen... he was hot and his living career was over in just like that, guess what happen to brett... he went to WCW was hot and just like that his wrestling career was over just like that...

Vince wouldnt be Puffy, he'd be the industry that made money off that entire feud

Puffy would be Triple H, who after Shawn went out did his thing solo and continued to shine, but better than ever.

Snoop would be... Owen, lol. I guess. Direct associates with each guy.

And as for what you said I dont like where they end up in the Pac/Biggie roles either as I liked Shawn better than Bret and Pac better than Biggie


Correct on Bischoff as Suge, I'd see that. And I never did hear about how exactly Bret got the stroke. I gotta look into that a bit more, I forgot what I read on that years back.

 

[dansaun77]

bRET DIDNT CHOOSE TO GO TO wcw, vINCE FORCED HIM TO AFTER TELLING HIM HE COULD NOT PAY HIM HIS ENTITLEMENT in his contract and told Bret to take a deal from WCW. Vince was winding Hart's run as main event guy up, pushing ahead with guys like Austin, Rock, Mankind, HHH Shamrock. Hart was the last of a dying breed, this is fact. Vince screwed Bret and 14 years on, with Vince himself admitting that he did indeed do wrong when he double croosed Bret and the locker room. Facts please.......

 

[One to Remember]

Wow. You're comparing a wrestling business decision to one of the biggest terrorist attacks of the past 100 years. You clearly have issues.

LMAO.

You completely took what I said out of context. I was mentioning that the FBI released all their investigation files on the murder of the Notorious B.I.G. this year, things that had been kept classified for almost fifteen years. They completely and totally implicated Suge Knight, Tupac's former manager, as the responsible party for Biggie's death. Which has been suspected since a released L.A.P.D. officer turned his investigative papers over to the public

Then why did they not arrest him? If the released guy is Detective Shore I believe he pointed to officer David Mack as having involvement. I have only heard whispers about Knight killing Tupac..



Eazy E vs. Dr. Dre might be a better factsimile. N.W.A. was like the WWF , Dre leavin was like Hitman leavin, Dr. Dre knew Larry Heller was not givin him all his money, Vince renegged on his offer. Suge Knight is like Eric Bischoff who ironically is also known as Easy E. Death Row was the hottest company in rap for like 3 years between 1994-6, WCW from 1996-8. Death Row fell off a few years later after its hayday, so did WCW.Both had horrible revamps toward the end. They battled for awile privately in the WWF then publically after Bret jumped ship. Larry Heller pumped Eazy E's head up like VKM right before HBK came to Survivor Series. HBK begins to falter like Easy E did. Easy got sick, HBK hurt.Easy E had enough time left to get the Bonethugs n Harmony off the ground, HBK was able to set DX on the path to glory. Dre had issues with the way shit was conducted and the big wigs nurturing and condoning it. The WCW brass was not forcing Goldberg to maintain ring work standards and that led to the incident that caused Hart to exit wcw.

The tupac biggie analogy kinda workz but doesnt because both wrestlers can be biggie or pac at times. Hart was like Tupac. He though Puffy set him up during the first shooting so that was like
McMahon callin for the bell early. Tupac has history from the east but then jumped to the west coast. The west is like WCW. But Tupac would surround him self with foot soldiers and those would be the Outlaws who would attack Biggie and his camp. DX are the
Outlawz, some of the Outlawz were child hood friends, half of DX Are members of the Kliq, Tupac had went bezerk without the facts, McMahon did not have evidence Hart wasn't loyal.. Biggie did not want the trouble, Hart did not, Tupac agitated the issue with Suge Knight at the helm, HBK with VKM in the driver's seat. Owen Hart bore the brunt of DX's rath while lil cease did from the Outlawz. Biggie was taken out by a dirty cop, Hart had to deal with a referee who played along with the scheme.

 

[MFR0mack]

It does however say is it the Tupac/Biggie of wrestling feud-wise, that cant be denied and a lot crosses over.

There's no cross-overs at all. The ONLY thing similar is that it was two guys that didn't like each other. Literally EVERYTHING ELSE was different in the fueds, from the actions of the two guys to the actions of the people around them to the end result. This is a ridiculous attempt at a comparative metaphor.

It doesnt matter if patriotism was an issue or not primarily.

It matters because that was something that fuel for both men in one fued and had nothing to do with the other.

it's NOT a comparison stop reading into it like it is, it just means both feuds had one, it's not comparing one to the other in how big it is or anything

When you are saying something is the equivalent of something else in another field, you are comparing it. That's what a comparison is. And unless there are similarities between the things you are comparing, you cannot say that one is another business' equivalent.

And yes, most rap wars are about money, and rappers have even stated this. The people higher up in the industry work them like puppets to make people talk, keep them side tracked and entertained with what their idols are doing, have them choosing sides, keeping a constant us vs them battle going is a major way they always do this which is why Biggie and Pac's beef was a huge op for those people.

You have no idea what you're talking about. None. You're seriously just talking out of your ass with this whole paragraph. You have no basis to go on, no support, no years of experience, no interviews, no books. What you say in this whole paragraph is completely speculative BS from the mind of someone who's shown lack of knowledge in any of these areas. Are you 15?

Then why did they not arrest him? If the released guy is Detective Shore I believe he pointed to officer David Mack as having involvement. I have only heard whispers about Knight killing Tupac..

Numerous officers had involvement (several of them were Piru Blood gang members), but Detective Russell Poole basically said for years that his sergeant wouldn't let him implicate the police force and the fact that he couldn't release the overwhelming amount of evidence that Suge Knight was involved (and that most of it was destroyed). The FBI declassified files, though heavily edited now, still point in that direction. As for why he's not in prison... God, who knows. Corrupt people stick with corrupt people :-/

 

[SickJames]

There's no cross-overs at all. The ONLY thing similar is that it was two guys that didn't like each other. Literally EVERYTHING ELSE was different in the fueds, from the actions of the two guys to the actions of the people around them to the end result. This is a ridiculous attempt at a comparative metaphor.



It matters because that was something that fuel for both men in one fued and had nothing to do with the other.



When you are saying something is the equivalent of something else in another field, you are comparing it. That's what a comparison is. And unless there are similarities between the things you are comparing, you cannot say that one is another business' equivalent.



You have no idea what you're talking about. None. You're seriously just talking out of your ass with this whole paragraph. You have no basis to go on, no support, no years of experience, no interviews, no books. What you say in this whole paragraph is completely speculative BS from the mind of someone who's shown lack of knowledge in any of these areas. Are you 15?



Numerous officers had involvement (several of them were Piru Blood gang members), but Detective Russell Poole basically said for years that his sergeant wouldn't let him implicate the police force and the fact that he couldn't release the overwhelming amount of evidence that Suge Knight was involved (and that most of it was destroyed). The FBI declassified files, though heavily edited now, still point in that direction. As for why he's not in prison... God, who knows. Corrupt people stick with corrupt people :-/

Everyone else sees this but you then. Entertainment industry is also music and they do entertain you with so called beef, there's a lot of fake shit that goes on that's manipulated from behind the scenes. I know exactly what I'm talking about, but unlike you I'd rather stay on topic and not take the thread in a completely different direction.

It's obvious you dont get the point of the thread at all.

This HBK/Bret feud is the Biggie/Tupac feud of WWE and it's no different than saying UpWords and Scrabble are alike. Two totally different games, played differently, but have interesting similarities.

That's simply it.

They dont need to be dead to have the feud be considered wrestling's Pac/Biggie feud. If you dont think this feud is most like wrestling's Pac/Biggie feud then give me another better. I dont think you can give another that matches up well enough to be considered so


This is so dead on, without needing to have everything be an exact replicated cross over or 100% similar, that doesnt matter at all. There's a difference between a direct and indirect comparison


This is why you still lack the understanding of subtle cross over events not needing to have had the same effect in each case.

Their, There and They're all sound the same, yet all have different meanings, but they are definately alike in some ways and that's good enough.


Even if you want to say HBK/Bret are the word ATE and Biggie/Pac are EAT, they each have the same amount of letters, the exact same letters and both have to do with food consumption, but differently. They may not SOUND the exact same or be spelled the same but they share some similarities and cross over things

 

[Youngsleez]

to the dude who said that triple h was puffy... rotfl no, triple h would have been lil cease all day. Puffy would be Vince. You know how much Sean Combs really has his hands in honestly, same with Vince McMahon... you know that Vince has his hands in a LOT. Triple H even though he is in the family and in the mix, he's not vince... Triple H to Shawn is Lil Cease to Biggie, and the rest of the click would be Junior Mafia rotfl (Chyna would be lil Kim obviously).

 

[SickJames]

to the dude who said that triple h was puffy... rotfl no, triple h would have been lil cease all day. Puffy would be Vince. You know how much Sean Combs really has his hands in honestly, same with Vince McMahon... you know that Vince has his hands in a LOT. Triple H even though he is in the family and in the mix, he's not vince... Triple H to Shawn is Lil Cease to Biggie, and the rest of the click would be Junior Mafia rotfl (Chyna would be lil Kim obviously).

Well in connection to Shawn, HHH was his closest homeboy in DX, it makes sense when you think of it in that sense is all I meant, but I see where you're coming from with that.

But then again, HHH swims in the McMahon Family and their money pool so one way or the other, he's in there with that bread too, ya know.

I'm just glad to see others get it on a simplistic point of view. I liked your break down of the situation too. And that one post about various people couldve having been different roles throughout different points of the entire feud of Shawn and Bret


I guess Bret's return would be the return Tupac never did make for those who believe he aint dead and is hiding out in Cuba. I guess those guys could look at it that way too. He's dead, but that's just another thing that could be thrown out since so many are still on that he's alive thing.

 

[bigbootydaddyV]

I definitely think Bret and HBK is like the biggie/2pac of wrestling in the sense that you have two men who were good friends, came up together, and an incident to one (NYC shooting/Montreal Screw job) led to a bitter rivalry. The real reason I think the comparison to biggie and 2pac can be made is because of how it really separated the fans as well. You were either for Bret or HBK, I remember me and a good buddy of mine always on opposite sides on this one and that is what really makes me think of 2pac/biggie. Other than the friendship to enemy story and the fact that they were 2 of the best who led to fans taking sides is where I'd draw parallels between the two stories.

 

[H33LTurn]

At first I was appalled by the comparison but now that I think about it thats exactly how it went, only that we'll never know if Biggie trully set up Pac for the Quad studios shooting but we know for a fact HBK made the conscious decision to screw Bret over.

 

[MFR0mack]

Everyone else sees this but you then. Entertainment industry is also music and they do entertain you with so called beef, there's a lot of fake shit that goes on that's manipulated from behind the scenes. I know exactly what I'm talking about, but unlike you I'd rather stay on topic and not take the thread in a completely different direction.

It's obvious you dont get the point of the thread at all.

This HBK/Bret feud is the Biggie/Tupac feud of WWE and it's no different than saying UpWords and Scrabble are alike. Two totally different games, played differently, but have interesting similarities.

That's simply it.

They dont need to be dead to have the feud be considered wrestling's Pac/Biggie feud. If you dont think this feud is most like wrestling's Pac/Biggie feud then give me another better. I dont think you can give another that matches up well enough to be considered so

This is so dead on, without needing to have everything be an exact replicated cross over or 100% similar, that doesnt matter at all. There's a difference between a direct and indirect comparison

This is why you still lack the understanding of subtle cross over events not needing to have had the same effect in each case.

Their, There and They're all sound the same, yet all have different meanings, but they are definately alike in some ways and that's good enough.

Even if you want to say HBK/Bret are the word ATE and Biggie/Pac are EAT, they each have the same amount of letters, the exact same letters and both have to do with food consumption, but differently. They may not SOUND the exact same or be spelled the same but they share some similarities and cross over things

Some people agreeing with you doesn't mean "everyone," bro. Several people have spoken against your comparison in this very thread as well. You're seriously going off NOTHING, here. Except that it was two guys who didn't like each other, there's literally no similarity that can be drawn. Different situations. Different events occurred. Different outcomes.

You're literally comparing an apple to a carrot and the only thing you're going on is that they both grow from the ground. There aren't cross-overs here, unless you stretch the truth and spread misinformation (which is what you did in your first posts in this thread that I already addressed and corrected).

Go through high school English or maybe even a basic college course in reading. There's distinctions that make comparative examples valid or invalid. Anyone can take two different things and say "ISN'T THIS LIKE THIS?" and make up a bunch of crap to support it. But if the reasons aren't valid, if there isn't anything to actually compare, then it doesn't apply. That's a rule of language and a rule of logic.

 

[One to Remember]

The FBI declassified files, though heavily edited now, still point in that direction. As for why he's not in prison... God, who knows. Corrupt people stick with corrupt people :-/

Are you telling me Poole couldn't get FBI assistance eventhough department wide corruption calls for it? The last time my city p.d. didn't do their jobs the state troopers checked their asses withen a few hours of my complaint. So he couldn't prove they widthealdd evidence but the feds can prove they destroyed evidence? WTF..

P.s. i still think the easy e. Vs. Dre thing made more since comparison wise..