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Ryback will definitely remove himself from this 6-Man Tag Match and to face Henry at Mania and Big Show will step in to replace Ryback...
WM 29: Orton, Sheamus & Big Show vs. The Shield
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PsychoBlack
Damn it feels good to be a Taylor!!
The matches with the shield are always excellent, but how many times can we see them do the same thing. They have to lose eventually. Now as far as Ryback goes the WWE overbooked the guy it's not his fault, but, it will be interesting to see how they fix it. If they drop Ryback and add Big Show then that adds a twist to the match because Show can turn on the "celtic vipers"because he was not initially chosen. If he does this at least it's something fresh other than the typical Shield formula (a great one it is.
All in all The shield needs to lose and break up. They are great as a team but they can't keep doing this forever. The longest I would like to see the shield after mania would be Summerslam and that's only if there's a war games match. All 3 of these young men should go onto great things in the WWE individually as they bring different things to the table, maybe a feud with each other would be good.
All in all The shield needs to lose and break up. They are great as a team but they can't keep doing this forever. The longest I would like to see the shield after mania would be Summerslam and that's only if there's a war games match. All 3 of these young men should go onto great things in the WWE individually as they bring different things to the table, maybe a feud with each other would be good.
Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious from Smackdown that Ryback will bow out of the team. That's fair enough, he should get revenge on Henry. But if that happens then The Shield need to win this match. What does it say about Ryback if they win every 6-Man they participate in when Ryback is involved, but lose the one time he's removed from the match?
The Shield should lose soon but it should happen a few weeks later at Extreme Rules where Ryback can be involved, win for his team and then move onto a different feud. That'd match would make sense considering he'll likely defeat Henry convincingly so there will be no need for a rematch.
The Shield should lose soon but it should happen a few weeks later at Extreme Rules where Ryback can be involved, win for his team and then move onto a different feud. That'd match would make sense considering he'll likely defeat Henry convincingly so there will be no need for a rematch.
This, I agree.
Also... this would make the match less of a repeat of the Elimination Chamber bout with Cena, at least 2 of the 6 participants will be different then.
I don't like the idea of 4 on 4 though, think adding Mark Henry to The Shield kind of takes away from their gimmick. Their only affiliates so far have remained on the down low, I don't think they should have a direct partner.
CubsFanFrank
Dark Match Jobber
I agree that it will end up Orton/Sheamus/Show vs The Shield. The question will be whether or not Show can be trusted, however, it will be Orton who turns on his partners and joins forces with the Shield. why?
It's simple. As dominant of a force as the Shield are, they're simply not that great on the mic. Love him or hate him, Orton is an amazing heel, and while he has violated the wellness policy, he's too valuable to the company to flounder in the mid card. Simply put, they're cutting of their nose to spite their face.
I could see it leading to a post WM feud between Orton and the Shield vs. Sheamus and Show, and ultimately Reigns could be kicked out and establish himself as a top face.
It's simple. As dominant of a force as the Shield are, they're simply not that great on the mic. Love him or hate him, Orton is an amazing heel, and while he has violated the wellness policy, he's too valuable to the company to flounder in the mid card. Simply put, they're cutting of their nose to spite their face.
I could see it leading to a post WM feud between Orton and the Shield vs. Sheamus and Show, and ultimately Reigns could be kicked out and establish himself as a top face.
I would be against anyone joining The Shield from the current roster, I think it detracts from what the group have already accomplished. The Shield will break... but it will break when they are finally beaten, and I don't think that will be at WrestleMania.
I would also disagree that they are poor on the mic... apart from Reigns, who does very little for me other than being the 'monster' of the three. Ambrose and Rollins are both more than profecient on the mic, not to mention lethal in the ring.
I do agree though that Orton should turn, but I don't think it should be 'til after WrestleMania.
I would also disagree that they are poor on the mic... apart from Reigns, who does very little for me other than being the 'monster' of the three. Ambrose and Rollins are both more than profecient on the mic, not to mention lethal in the ring.
I do agree though that Orton should turn, but I don't think it should be 'til after WrestleMania.
Earlier in the night, Vicky removed Ryback from the 6 man tag so that he could face Henry. Later, Orton & Sheamas were surrounded by The Shield but before they hit the ring, Show joined the duo setting their Mania match.
like or dislike the match?
Do you think The Shield will finally lose or will Show turn on his partners?
Thoughts?
like or dislike the match?
Do you think The Shield will finally lose or will Show turn on his partners?
Thoughts?
Sheamus' Suntan
A hound of justice
Shield will win this. If ryback was involved, it would be another story but shield will win likely because of...Randy Orton. Noone wants to think it but this could be a double turn. Show turns face but gets in Ortons way in the match, Orton RKO's him. Simple logic for a guy that has wanted to turn heel for months.
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
The answer to that question explains why I like the match. Big Show has a reason of his own to want to fight The Shield, so it's possible he will join the good guys and not turn on them. In a way, it reminds me of heels Jericho & Edge joining John Cena and the good guys to make a stand against Nexus. That was an exciting development, and this may be, too.
On the other hand, Big Show might very well turn on his partners, although they'll have to make a good storyline to explain why he asked into the match in the first place if he was more interested in destroying his partners than battling the bad guys. Why get battered by the Shield if your target is your tag teammates?
My guess? He does both. He batters Shield during the match and the good guys gain a victory of some sort...... then Big Show cleans house during the celebration with his team. There's ample reason to think this scenario will take place in one form or another. Big Show is a loner; not a 'tweener, but not a "joiner," either.
Yet, he's now joining. Should be interesting.
After watching tonight's episode of Smackdown, I'm convinced that we'll definitely see Orton turn heel on Sheamus in the match. Both Show & Sheamus are having issues working with each other, and like The Miz said on MizTV, "Randy is the voice of reason for the group", something totally out of his character. I think we'll see Show & Sheamus continue having these issues all the way into Wrestlemania and in the match itself, with Orton trying to play peacemaker between the two all the time. But at the end of the match, Orton, sick of all the fighting, takes out Sheamus with an RKO before leaving the ring, blaming him for starting all the problems in the team, giving The Shield the win.
The Shield have to win. There is no point building them up to a loss at the biggest night of the year. I don't care how it is done. I'm not a fan of Big Show so I don't want him involved with the best but it seems this may happen. I can see him walking out on Orton or Sheamus which gives The Shield the advantage.
The other option is Show is completely cohesive and his team wins but that would be a mistake in my opinion.
The other option is Show is completely cohesive and his team wins but that would be a mistake in my opinion.
Not a big fan of this match, mostly because I see the Shield losing here, they've simply been too dominant in PPVs. If they do win, they probably won't win cleanly. These are scenarios that I'd love to happen during this match:
1. Randy Orton's Heel Turn
He wants it, the fans want it, and what a better place to do it than Wrestlemania. Say that Orton's team is beginning to get the upper hand, thanks to Sheamus. Sheamus hits a Brogue Kick on Rollins, Big Show hits the WMD on Ambrose. Orton looks as he's going to RKO Reigns when he turns around and RKO's Big Show. Sheamus is distracted by Orton, who leaves the ring. He turns around into a spear from Reigns, 1, 2, 3, The Shield are victorious thanks to Randy Orton.
2. The Shield splitting up.
Again, this starts with Team WWE getting the upper hand. Then, Roman Reigns completely takes over this match, bringing down the Big Show, who has been a problem all night for him. He turns around into an RKO from Orton, and Ambrose and Rollins are double-teaming Sheamus. Orton goes in to settle the score, and Orton and Sheamus hit their finishers on the men at the same time. Team WWE wins, and the Shield is left alone in the ring. Roman Reigns screams at Ambrose and Rollins for not saving him. He says he's tired of carrying them and starting after WM, he starts a singles career, and the other two look towards the Tag Team Championships.
3. A Combination of the Two.
Have The Shield win as I said when I mentioned Orton's heel turn, but use the post-match interaction from when I talked about the Shield splitting up.
1. Randy Orton's Heel Turn
He wants it, the fans want it, and what a better place to do it than Wrestlemania. Say that Orton's team is beginning to get the upper hand, thanks to Sheamus. Sheamus hits a Brogue Kick on Rollins, Big Show hits the WMD on Ambrose. Orton looks as he's going to RKO Reigns when he turns around and RKO's Big Show. Sheamus is distracted by Orton, who leaves the ring. He turns around into a spear from Reigns, 1, 2, 3, The Shield are victorious thanks to Randy Orton.
2. The Shield splitting up.
Again, this starts with Team WWE getting the upper hand. Then, Roman Reigns completely takes over this match, bringing down the Big Show, who has been a problem all night for him. He turns around into an RKO from Orton, and Ambrose and Rollins are double-teaming Sheamus. Orton goes in to settle the score, and Orton and Sheamus hit their finishers on the men at the same time. Team WWE wins, and the Shield is left alone in the ring. Roman Reigns screams at Ambrose and Rollins for not saving him. He says he's tired of carrying them and starting after WM, he starts a singles career, and the other two look towards the Tag Team Championships.
3. A Combination of the Two.
Have The Shield win as I said when I mentioned Orton's heel turn, but use the post-match interaction from when I talked about the Shield splitting up.
Randy Orton has floated in and out of relevancy for months now. Big Show just wrapped up a feud, where he lost to Del Rio in two consecutive world title matches. And Sheamus is just there. He's not making an impact, or doing anything that catches your eye. He's just the guy, who comes out shouting and pounding his chest (FELLLLAAAA!!!!!!), hits some Brouge Kicks every now and then, and he participates in hideous comedy segments. Orton, Show, and Sheamus really need the win, because they could use some kind of boost, desperately.
The Shield has to lose at some point. They have enough "we're legit" wins under their belts. BUT on the flip-side of that, The Shield has been kind of dull for a while. The shock factor for the group of unknown attackers wore off once the feud with Ryback finished up. Still, Orton, Show, and Sheamus need the wins more, because unlike The Shield, all three men are former world champions, who can be reinserted into major feuds or title pictures at any time. The Shield can go back to being the three cowards, who have to come through the crowd, and accomplish their goals with sneak attacks and blackouts. A loss won't hurt them too bad.
The Shield has to lose at some point. They have enough "we're legit" wins under their belts. BUT on the flip-side of that, The Shield has been kind of dull for a while. The shock factor for the group of unknown attackers wore off once the feud with Ryback finished up. Still, Orton, Show, and Sheamus need the wins more, because unlike The Shield, all three men are former world champions, who can be reinserted into major feuds or title pictures at any time. The Shield can go back to being the three cowards, who have to come through the crowd, and accomplish their goals with sneak attacks and blackouts. A loss won't hurt them too bad.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
As of last night, this match is officially on for WM 29.
If The Shield loses at WM, I don't think it'll hurt them. They're undefeated thus far, including scoring wins in major ppv matches agains major stars. Losing at the biggest show of the year to three established, multiple time World Champions won't damage their credibility.
At the same time, though, I still think The Shield will come out with another win. As of right now, the three faces seem to be on the same page but it won't take much of anything at all to bring old rivalries & egos to the surface. The Shield winning a match at WM is only going to elevate their stock even further.
The best thing about this match is that a loss won't really do anyone any harm. Between the babyfaces, they've a combined total of 17 to 19 World Championship wins between them, depending upon how you factor in Big Show's very brief WHC run and his run as ECW Champion. As I pointed out, The Shield already have highly credible wins in six man matches against most of the top babyface stars in the company.
If The Shield loses at WM, I don't think it'll hurt them. They're undefeated thus far, including scoring wins in major ppv matches agains major stars. Losing at the biggest show of the year to three established, multiple time World Champions won't damage their credibility.
At the same time, though, I still think The Shield will come out with another win. As of right now, the three faces seem to be on the same page but it won't take much of anything at all to bring old rivalries & egos to the surface. The Shield winning a match at WM is only going to elevate their stock even further.
The best thing about this match is that a loss won't really do anyone any harm. Between the babyfaces, they've a combined total of 17 to 19 World Championship wins between them, depending upon how you factor in Big Show's very brief WHC run and his run as ECW Champion. As I pointed out, The Shield already have highly credible wins in six man matches against most of the top babyface stars in the company.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Uh, whatever. Unless its a catalyst for Ortons heel turn, this is a throwaway match. Jericho and possibly a steel cage or something may have spiced this up, but nothing about it feels like an apex to the storyline, just a rehash. Should this be an all out war? Shit, if there was ever a time to bust out a wargames type Cell match, this would be it.
Buuut, no. Another six man. This time with the scintillating big show.
Buuut, no. Another six man. This time with the scintillating big show.
PsychoBlack
Damn it feels good to be a Taylor!!
The build has been epic, We just saw Orton's team come into it's own as a team for the first time and actually destroy the shield. This is getting quite repetitive though and Orton needs to turn in the match just let him give a RKO to everyone and walk off. This match should have been wargames though no doubt. Still excellent build.
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
Yes, it has. Last night, we saw The Shield as the ones stalked, for a change, as the three good guys went into the crowd to chase them down. Earlier in the week, The Shield came down to the ring but refused to enter when they saw an equal number of people waiting for them. It was classic bully/victim theater, with the victims turning the tables.
But the real intrigue lies on the side of the faces. Wasn't Big Show acting all innocent during the interview session before the match, claiming he never had any problem with his partners? Meanwhile, we know him to be a bad guy who might turn on his partners at any moment; which is something they're aware of, too. Then, there's Randy Orton, from whom we've been expecting a heel turn for some time. If it occurs during this match, what will Big Show do?
That's the build-up and what's keeping the interest level up for this match. For once, it's the bad guys (The Shield) who can be depended on to be what we expect them to be. The faces are the ones that have to be watched carefully. Great stuff.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
Its becoming clearer to me that this match WILL be were Orton turns. Isnt it curious that WWE have chosen to make him the "cool, peace-maker" through all of the build? I wouldnt be the least bit surprised, honestly. Plus the fact that the heel turn will provoke a MASSIVE reaction in that stadium.
Compound_Lotus
Here to Show the World
The Shield wins after a long awaited Randy Orton heel turn. They keep saying Orton, Sheamus, and Show can't work together. Can Sheamus and Orton really trust Big Show? Etc. Orton has been a face longer than Sheamus and it has been rumored for awhile that he wants to turn heel and I think this is when it happens. There has to be a reason however. I don't see Orton joining the Shield he doesn't really fit their style. I don't even see him helping them win. I just see him dropping from the apron when Show or Sheamus need a tag and walking out causing the Shield to win. Orton then tells us the next night on Raw that he is sick of relying on others to get things done and from now on he is only thinking of himself. Not the WWE Universe or anyone in the locker room. He then focuses on the World Heavyweight Championship picture for the rest of the year. Orton has already been a part of two factions. Joining another doesn't make alot of sense.
This match has kind of stalled with the build over the weeks. It had a ton of heat, but the awkwardness of adding Big Show to the match, and getting Ryback out, killed the momentum a little bit. Make no mistake, Big Show is the right choice for the match.
I do love the psychology of the Shield being terrified of the Big Show. Ryback has been handled by the Shield, but Show has shown he can handle the Shield on his own.
My Pick: The Shield. Someone in the WWE has to turn heel, and it's not going to be Cena. Orton is the logical choice. He is in need. He's fine as a face, but works so much better as a heel. Him turning on Sheamus would set up a nice little feud for the next several months. I'm not sure you align Orton with the Shield, but turn Orton heel regardless.
I do love the psychology of the Shield being terrified of the Big Show. Ryback has been handled by the Shield, but Show has shown he can handle the Shield on his own.
My Pick: The Shield. Someone in the WWE has to turn heel, and it's not going to be Cena. Orton is the logical choice. He is in need. He's fine as a face, but works so much better as a heel. Him turning on Sheamus would set up a nice little feud for the next several months. I'm not sure you align Orton with the Shield, but turn Orton heel regardless.
The result here seems pretty clear: The Shield should win. The Shield have been brought up and immediately put forth to face the top stars in the industry -- WWE wants the fans to buy these guys as being a big deal -- and a win over Orton, Sheamus, and Big Show will most certainly solidify their place. Like everyone has been saying, I can't see Orton NOT turning here. He's a waaaaaay better heel anyway, let him go back to what he does best. This should be a fun match, though. I've enjoyed all of the Shield's matches thus far, and it's not as if their opponents don't know their way around a good match either.
It'll mostly just be filler, but the Shield wins.
It'll mostly just be filler, but the Shield wins.
LoudClearVoice
Mid-Card Championship Winner
As I and many others have stated, this is the prime time and spot for Orton to turn heel.... However, given the way WWE has acted when everyone "figures out" their big storyline or "surprise" early, I wondering if they'll "fool" us and turn Sheamus rather than Orton?
Orton absolutely should turn heel but turning Sheamus and not Orton is such a WWE thing to do, to throw a "swerve" in there that they think we're dumb enough to be totally shocked by.
Orton absolutely should turn heel but turning Sheamus and not Orton is such a WWE thing to do, to throw a "swerve" in there that they think we're dumb enough to be totally shocked by.
TWJC: The Beginning
Royal Rumble Winner
Not sure what happens here. I definately think that Shield goes over. Something else has to happen. Maybe a heel turn. Who knows.
Sheamus is the second biggest face right now. Surely they wouldn't ruin that by turning him heel? Than yet again, it would allow Orton to regain that spot so you never know.
I can't see this match being as simple as the Shield winning/loosing clean. A loss would be stupid and a regular win is just boring. That does suggest:
1) Orton turns heel
2) A new member for the shield
3) The Big show knocks out either Sheamus or Orton.
I'm not sure which one but I think one of them will happen. I would consider crying if it is 3 but that does seem quite likely.
What a huge opportunity for The Shield.... They have been such an impressive group and I fully expect them to continue their dominance here. A victory over Randy Orton, Sheamus, and Big Show would be very beneficial for them. All three of them have held both of the world titles in WWE. The Shield are newcomers. They need the win more than the veterans do. A win might give the veterans some momentum going into their next feuds, but it would make more sense to have The Shield win. You don't get many chances to give an early Wrestlemania moment to a group this talented during a push that has been going so well. The wrong decision could derail them a bit.
The match itself should be pretty good. I'd rather it have remained Ryback as their third partner as opposed to Big Show, but I'll take it. I like everyone else involved and it shows potential to be one of the better matches. I expect it to go on towards the middle of the card. Orton having been the voice of reason for this team is suspicious to me and I am unsure about this team being able to get along. Surely that is what WWE wants us to think, but any of the three could cost them the match due to an argument with one of the other teammates. I think it will be Big Show and Sheamus arguing that costs them the match. The Shield wins and whoever costs the veterans the match moves into a feud with whoever they were arguing with while the third guy moves on to either a filler feud or a world title feud. I'm not sure what The Shield will do next though, tag team title shot maybe? I'm expecting a good match no matter what the results are.
DAGGER'S PREDICTION
The Shield will defeat Randy Orton, Sheamus, and Big Show.
The match itself should be pretty good. I'd rather it have remained Ryback as their third partner as opposed to Big Show, but I'll take it. I like everyone else involved and it shows potential to be one of the better matches. I expect it to go on towards the middle of the card. Orton having been the voice of reason for this team is suspicious to me and I am unsure about this team being able to get along. Surely that is what WWE wants us to think, but any of the three could cost them the match due to an argument with one of the other teammates. I think it will be Big Show and Sheamus arguing that costs them the match. The Shield wins and whoever costs the veterans the match moves into a feud with whoever they were arguing with while the third guy moves on to either a filler feud or a world title feud. I'm not sure what The Shield will do next though, tag team title shot maybe? I'm expecting a good match no matter what the results are.
DAGGER'S PREDICTION
The Shield will defeat Randy Orton, Sheamus, and Big Show.