Why the IWC will never be taken seriously.

[TheKingofKings20222]

First off, I apologize if this isn't the right section to post this, feel free to move it if needed.


The Internet Wrestling Community is not shy about speaking our minds and opinions. We all come together and discuss our views in these forums. But we all get frustrated when WWE doesn't do the things that the IWC finds, "Exciting!" We all ask, why? Why not listen to the IWC, why not listen to the fans! Well, I can tell you exactly why Vince chooses to ignore us. It's because you cannot please the IWC no matter what you do.

In 2011, the IWC was all about the "Ryder Revolution!" We all were begging the WWE to give Zack Ryder a push. It finally came when he captured the United States Championship. Then what did the IWC do? They lost all interest in Ryder. When an article pops up about Zack Ryder, it is automatically flooded with comments bashing Ryder.

In 2012, it was all about CM Punk. He became the top guy and the IWC was loving it! Now, Punk is labeled as boring. Ever since he lost the title, the IWC has lost interest in Punk.

The point is, the IWC will NEVER get the respect that WE believe we deserve, because members of the IWC are constantly wanting more and are not appreciative of what the WWE has done. You cannot please the IWC. If Vince was to listen to us, he would be changing things constantly. We will never be taken seriously. Between the trolls, and the people who's minds are constantly changing about what is good and bad, there are a few members of the IWC who truly know a lot about wrestling, but sadly their voices may never be heard. The IWC will always be known as Internet Wrestling fans who think they know everything about Wrestling. It's a sad label, but unfortunately, it's a true one.

 

[CripplerBenoitFan]

I'd like to put it right out there that I don't identify with this IWC moniker at all. I know I'm the guy with the Benoit handle, and still I think that people on the internet take wrestling entirely too seriously.

In regards to the WWE taking the IWC seriously? Well yes. They seriously know they can count on the smarts to buy ALL the PPV's and watch every single week regardless of how much bitching and complaining they do. So yes, they seriously expect the IWC to cough up their money. You can't cater to the IWC though, or else it will be Monday Night Vanilla Midgets.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

The IWC is a subset of the full population of wrestling fans. With the IWC consists smaller subsets of fans with differing opinions. Occassionally a subset of the larger subset of the full population shows interest in something or someone. Sometimes it works out well, more often it does not or doesn't happen at all.

I sort of get your point, but you use the word "all" a lot and that couldn't be further from the truth. There are varying opinions. If there is any reason why Vince doesn't take any opinions seriously it is because he has other things to do. I think his focus is more on crowd reactions, ticket sales, ratings, merchandise sales, and PPV sales. It is difficult for Vince and WWE to be able to tell how much we pay Vince's bills so it doesn't make sense to waste resources on the IWC.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

You're so right about this but i have to add to what you just wrote. Another reason the IWC isn't taken seriously by Vince is mostly because where is target audience anymore. The IWC is pretty only 30% of the WWE audience and that's being generous because i believe it's more like 15%. So where not the ones that will make the WWE money at the end of the day. Just look at TNA as an exemple, these guys have been listening to the IWC for years now and look how successful they are. There pretty much at the same place they were 5 years ago and there still getting the same ratings and the low PPV buy rate and the almost non existent crowd at live event.

In the end, the WWE will never take the IWC seriously because while they do listen to the fans, where just not enough in are group to make any noise compare to the rest of the WWE universe.

 

[Jesus]

First off I'm not sure what you are getting at here, you didn't ask a question, you just said a bunch of stuff most people write in comments after articles. The reason Vince doesn't take the "IWC" seriously is because he could care less. They do not run the industry, the fans do. The IWC is such an embarrassing term...like it's a gang of internet dorks who are so smart and creative yet when ever they have an idea it's always stupid. Also this IWC is not a collective group so they do not have a unilateral view. Some jumped on the ryder bandwagon while alot of us thought he was ******ed from the get go. So in closing wwe does not hang out on message boards and does not care what you want, and I for one am glad cause most people here are boring teenagers who think they are so creative, but you are not.

 

[ThePhenomLives]

Some parts I agree with, it's hard to please the IWC. However, the reason we complain so much is simply put because WWE caters to kids a lot more than they do adults and so we're not getting what we want. We want wrestling, character development and interesting storylines as well as some attitude back, not silly dance offs with a giant zombie aka The Great Khali.

And I wouldn't say the IWC has lost interest in CM Punk. Probably the opposite, the smart fans love Punk and have been huge advocats of his since before the shoot promo but at most since his recent heel turn. We all know the IWC loves heels. I sure do.

 

[Rip]

I hate this "IWC" bullshit. Always have. I mean, do baseball fans that go online get called the "IBC"? Hockey? MMA? Football? Soccer? NO. I would contend that most fans are in the "IWC" since they're fans... AND THEY GO ON THE INTERNET. Just like in everything else, there are hardcore fans and casual fans. "We" are simply HARDCORE fans.
Unfortunately for us, hardcore fans are NEVER catered to. This is a BUSINESS DECISION. And a smart one at that!
I don't care if it's video games, movies, sports... whatever. You never cater to the hardcore fans. Why? Because no matter what, hardcore fans will ALWAYS tune in/buy a ticket/show up. Casual fans are MONEY. Hardcore fans are too small of a percentage. Casual fans need to be swayed into buying a ticket/PPV.

I don't understand why people act like the "IWC" is some kind of faction or clique. Of course WWE doesn't listen to us! Do you see Dana White listening to internet MMA fans? Do you think Steven Spielberg checks the fucking movie forums? No! We are nobodies in the grand scheme of things and people need to stop trying make us hardcore fans, or "IWC", seem more important than we are.

 

[RD_21]

Like most people you are making the bad assumption that the IWC is a hive mind. The IWC is part of a group.

Take your examples, I was behind Ryder and I am still behind him, I just know it's a lost cause because the WWE is not behind him, so I'm resigned. The people who hated Ryder and have always hated him are now more vocal about it because he is "failing" now.

Not only that, but the WWE crushed Ryder to crush its fan when they used him with Cena to try to bring Cena up (in term of face mass appeal), but Cena sunk Ryder down. They made him job lose all the time so people would stop being behind him and they destroyed his Internet show.

Now Punk, I've loved Punk since he was on WWECW he was the best thing going in the WWE at that time when he was having awesome matches against Morrison, I loved him in SES, in New Nexus, face or heel. Some people jump on the bandwagon and loved him for a while and hated him for a while, but it doesn't mean that every MEMBER of the IWC is a turncoat.

I live in Montreal and here a couple of years ago we've had two good goalies, Price and Halak and a lot of people were Halak fans, when he was winning and Price was losing they were bragging, and when Price was winning, the other side was bragging and putting the other down. You can't say that the Montreal Canadiens fans didn't knew what they wanted; half of it wanted something and the other halk wanted something else.

 

[tom9422]

Sorry, but this is ******ed.

This is the internet, not everyone believes the same thing, that includes the IWC. Punk may be popular, but he has always had detractors, those people just become louder once his fans did. With Ryder, not everyone has liked him, this has not changed.

It is ironic that people who criticise the IWC don't realise that they are part of it. You really think you are so special that everyone thinks the same except you?

People underestimate the influence of internet fans, the numbers too. How does anyone think those 'internet darlings' like Punk, Bryan and Ziggler have become some of the biggest stars in the company? In contrast, how do the boos for Cena and Sheamus spread so much? If the number's are so small, how do they frequently fill up entire arenas and stadiums full of these fans?

Some people need to think rationally.

 

[JoeyJoeJoe]

The internet is a freaking medium. All the IWC means is fans who like wrestling and post comments on forums like this, and that's all. They aren't some group mind that differs from what is seen out in the crowds or are somehow different from the viewers at home. They are just people who care enough to comment on it.

Guess what? WWE's TOUT? IWC.

Twitter trending topics? IWC.

It's a meaningless term in this instance. So when someone bashes the "IWC", realize, they are either stupid or trolling.

 

[Dirk]

Okay, okay, I get where the OP is coming from and I think it's a valid point, but we aren't a homogenous group. It's easier to bitch on the internet than to compliment, so what we'd like to compliment usually manifests itself as bitching about somebody else's bitching on what we like.

As for Ryder, still like him, without ever seeing his Youtube-show. Never cared for Punk. There are other WZ-trends too. I still fondly remember all the love Jinder Mahal got when he made his debut.

But then there's Cena. I don't think that the "casual fans" would ever have thought to boo Cena, why would they? I think the Cena-hate was smark-inspired. Yes, Cena trolls the smarks, but half of the crowd boos him. I think Cena is the most prominent recent example of the smark-influence. Prior to that, it was probably Ryder's US-run.

 

[Mustang Sally]

The IWC is pretty only 30% of the WWE audience and that's being generous because i believe it's more like 15%.

Actually, that remark is another reason why WWE isn't going to use our input to develop his product: where are those statistics coming from? How do you know that 30% of the audience consists of IWC folks? (except that it might be closer to 15%?) With fanciful data like that thrown about, it's no wonder Vince McMahon doesn't look to us for input.

Looking at one of the statements in this topic to point further at why what we say doesn't matter to WWE:

"We all were begging the WWE to give Zack Ryder a push."

We were? I wasn't.....and the fact that there were so many different opinions about it.....and no consensus.....is probably one of the reasons McMahon isn't going to look to us to find trends and solutions.

Look, the fact there are so many different viewpoints, and so many different ways of expressing them, is what makes this forum fun to participate. But Vince McMahon probably sees wrestling fans only as the folks who choke up money to see his product. Yes, he wants to please us, but only to get us to buy merchandise and order PPVs. I wouldn't be surprised if he has an employee monitoring some of the more prominent wrestling forums, but we shouldn't be shocked if the company disregards everything they might read here.

This place is for us, not for WWE.

 

[asiatic7]

The OP is right. Most of you on here are in denial about who you are.... You are the IWC. Once you signed on and applied a user name and read and or posted a comment, you became a member of this glorious bunch. I used to be in denial about another twisted bunch of pricks called the Human race, but I've come to grips with what I am.

We are all guilty with what the OP has charged us with at one point or another. There's nothing wrong with that. People are fickle and change their minds from time to time so lets not pretend otherwise.

CM Punk stated it best in his now infamous work/shoot "was it real, was it fake?" promo of 2011... basically, the fans (IWC, Smart Marks) are a big part of the problem, but no matter what, you'll continue to pour your hard earned frog skins into the machine regardless....so complain, bitch, moan...basically do what you do best and good night to you.....IWC.

 

[enviousdominous]

I'm going to try to be as nice as possible.

The IWC isn't a company that relies on being taken seriously to generate revenue. It's random people sharing opinions based on having the freetime and resources necessary to do so. The IWC concept is just a way to generalize the inane banter of outspoken wrestling fans, it was never meant to be taken seriously. When someone posts on here they realistically don't expect their opinion to go any farther than the select audience this obscure forum attracts.

Zack Ryder wasn't just an internet darling. I'm pretty sure that the "WE WANT RYDER!" chants at WWE and TNA shows had more of an impact on his being kept on the roster than a cluster of obscure internet forum posters.

CM Punk still has a huge following, anyone who books him will get my ticket money.

The IWC is the lower form of internet wrestling journalists, who by the way also have almost no impact on the show. Being taken seriously, as in being recognized for the wisdom in a popular idea and thus seeing it on tv will likely never happen.


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[HereComesThePain53]

Finally someone asks this question. First off, quit saying IWC this IWC that for everything. By abreviating the words internet wrestling community and calling it IWC you all make it sound like you are part of a multimillion dollar business corporation and every one bows down to you. Please, quit it. In my opinion, the internet wrestling geeks are just that - geeks and smart-asses. You think you all know what goes on in WWE and what goes on behind the scenes lol stop trying to act smart all the damn time. I'm sorry, but for over a year now I've been hearing this stupid IWC term and I see all of you people trying to act tough and smart insulting one another behind a stupid computer like please! Just quit dammit. Be normal. Be a normal fan. Enjoy WWE as a fan, not as a wannabe f*cking employee. You don't work there, so you don't know what goes on there. Simple as that. And you really think that the WWE even knows what this stupid little thing called the IWC is? ooohhh the almighty IWC ohhhh mannn. Lmfao. Yeah put it on your resumes - "I am part of the IWC" that'll get you a job! Lmao. There's so many garbage people on this site but here and there, there are some people who have common sense and who present themselves are well-educated and respectful fans of the WWE unlike many of you, who CONSTANTLY smack and ridicule WWE for WWE's actions. Do you really think the WORLD Wrestling Entertainment gives two shi*s about the tiny little geeky nerdy low-life internet world? No. And I know people are gonna reply to me and yell at me and curse at me but if you use this comeback - "You post on this website so you are part of the IWC. You just insulted yourself" Something like that, then you're pathetic. The only reason I'm posting on this website is because I've had enough of you people trying to act smart and act like you are the cure-all for WWE's so-called failures. Just shut up and enjoy WWE like a fan instead of constantly whining. Oh one more thing, this one really pisses me off I'm telling you. Why are all of you so high on heels? Does it boost your own self-confidence to support bad guys and spit on the faces? Ryback as a face...you all hated him. Now he's heel and you all are starting to praise him. Why don't you give every wrestler a f*cking chance huh? Spitting on faces and d**k riding all heels...it's really annoying. No wonder WWE or anyone gives a crap about your collective opinions. So all in all, that is why the IWC will never be taken seriously...it's a joke lol.

 

[#heel420]

I agree with the OP that it's impossible to please everybody, but I hate how were all lumped in together as the "IWC". We're all different people from different places with different views and tastes. We are individuals, stop talking like we have one general ideology.

I still appreciate Zack Ryder's talent and charisma, even though I feel like WWE went so wrong with him. And since they went in such a bad direction a lot of people didn't care about him. Can you blame the fans though? They made Ryder into a pussy.

And CM Punk is still my favorite wrestler, even though I think some of the things WWE does with him are stupid.

I don't put things that are wrong with the show on the superstars, unless its a shitty match. I blame Vince, Stephanie and her army of soap opera writers for this bullshit were currently and have been being fed for years now.

 

[MrPlatano1989]

The point is, the IWC will NEVER get the respect that WE believe we deserve, because members of the IWC are constantly wanting more and are not appreciative of what the WWE has done.

I had a similiar thread pointing at the IWC as the biggest problem in professional wrestling, heres a part of that thread...

I always think about the various wrestlers that go through this cycle with some fans. In the sports world players can carry a certain level of respect and legitimacy for their entire career and even after. Even today no one questions the way Jim Brown played, his skill set. In wrestling fans want people to rise to the top and fall out the company in the span of months or 1 year. Does that even make sense? We have seen, especially with CM Punk, that WWE could put someone in various roles throughout the years, "bury him", then take the steps to make him a legit top star. There were many points that I gave up on his chances and look at him now. People should remember this and remain patient through the roles they dont like, THEN see where it all goes in the long run. Bully Ray has proven there's always time in someones career to reach the top.

As for the various wrestlers that go through this cycle. Cena is an obvious big one. Seemed like everyone wanted him to be the ultimate champ, saw something special in him, passion. Once his legacy started to unfold they hated him.

Jeff Hardy in 2008 was so popular and fans will cry because they never saw Vince giving him a chance at being champ. A champ that will be different and exciting. Became champ in a 3 way with Edge and Hunter, world went crazy. A few months later as a legit main eventer, they would bash him. Today in TNA some rip him apart, even if he looks to be in his prime.

RVD always had a special look and feel to his presence. This is why people wanted him to beat Triple H all those years ago. The thought of him ever returning to wrestling full time was a hopeless wish. He did just that in TNA and it didnt take long before some fans didnt "care" for him.

I've even heard many people complain about Ziggler in that past. Now, of course that same fanbase probably loves him. I'm also pretty sure its not gonna be too long before some fans call him boring and say he was never champ quality. I disagree of course.

I like wrestlers for their talent, knowledge, experience, and history. Some people think Al Snow is a mid card joke, I see a man that was a 15 year vet before the Attitude Era was even in full swing. Must have seen this business change various times, another level of knowledge. Today a top TNA executive and a big part of OVW. A 30 year vet sounds perfect for those roles, regardless of title wins.

Ray Lewis has an incredible speech about his 17 year storied career in the intro to Madden 13. His words can relate to any profession especially wrestling. Every wrestler carries their history and legacy on their back. This alone should earn them the respect they deserve, regardless of their storylines roles over the years.

 

[Sweettre15]

I'm basically going to "repeat" similar responses given to similar discussions:

The Internet Wrestling Community is not shy about speaking our minds and opinions. We all come together and discuss our views in these forums. But we all get frustrated when WWE doesn't do the things that the IWC finds, "Exciting!" We all ask, why? Why not listen to the IWC, why not listen to the fans! Well, I can tell you exactly why Vince chooses to ignore us.

So can I, but it would have nothing to do with your absurd explanation.

It's because you cannot please the IWC no matter what you do.

I wasn't aware the IWC was a singular being.

In 2011, the IWC was all about the "Ryder Revolution!" We all were begging the WWE to give Zack Ryder a push. It finally came when he captured the United States Championship. Then what did the IWC do? They lost all interest in Ryder. When an article pops up about Zack Ryder, it is automatically flooded with comments bashing Ryder.

Bull. Ryder's always had a cult following but he's never been someone everyone's behind. and who bashes Ryder now? Wrestlers usually get bashed when they're a major player taking up a lot of screen time. Ryder's been nothing but a jobber for well over a year now and I can't even remember the last promo he cut.

In 2012, it was all about CM Punk. He became the top guy and the IWC was loving it! Now, Punk is labeled as boring. Ever since he lost the title, the IWC has lost interest in Punk.

Since when? Punk's remained popular in the IWC AND among casual fans since his pipe bomb promo. Yeah, there are people who don't like Punk. They tend to be people who never liked him to begin with.

The point is, the IWC will NEVER get the respect that WE believe we deserve, because members of the IWC are constantly wanting more and are not appreciative of what the WWE has done. You cannot please the IWC. If Vince was to listen to us, he would be changing things constantly.

Nope, nothing to do with that. At all. There are creators who constantly try to keep all their fans pleased, fans who's wants change just as much as any other fan base. There are also those who simply don't care, and those who have other, more influential people(like execs) to cater to.

and don't act like Vince always caters to the casual fans whims. Ryder was over and he killed him. Sheamus and Ryback got no reaction but were pushed to the moon for months until they got one.

Vince does what Vince wants, or even what his share holders want.

We will never be taken seriously. Between the trolls, and the people who's minds are constantly changing about what is good and bad, there are a few members of the IWC who truly know a lot about wrestling, but sadly their voices may never be heard.

There's lots of people who's ideas will never be heard by creators, especially if their work is being funded by a corporate entity. It has ZERO to do with a fan base's credibility.

The IWC will always be known as Internet Wrestling fans who think they know everything about Wrestling. It's a sad label, but unfortunately, it's a true one.

The irony of that statement after making this baseless post. I am truly floored.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

The problem, to me at least, with the IWC as a whole is that, again as a whole, net fans have painted ourselves as know-it-alls about the wrestling business. It's a problem because the VAST majority of net fans have zero experience in pro wrestling.

Don't get me wrong; there's nothing at all wrong about talking about things you like & dislike with a wrestling company's product. It's only natural that you're not going to be into every wrestler, match, feud, angle or storyline. It's also only natural to praise what you do like. But if you claim to not like any of it, then I see no reason to watch it just for the sake of criticizing or complaining.

I don't like everything WWE does. I personally don't know of anyone who does or ever has. Same with any other wrestling company. Quite often, however, we pass off our personal opinions as if they were the gospel truth. If a net fan doesn't like John Cena, for instance, then it's not at all uncommon for that net fan to try to assert that nobody likes John Cena, or that nobody should like John Cena. If they think WWE sucks, then it simply must 100% suck and they don't see how/why anyone could disagree. If that's your opinion, more power to you. Quality is subjective rather than unshakeable truth. If the majority of WWE viewers didn't like Cena, then why has he been in such a prominent spot in WWE for the better part of a decade? If the majority really & truly didn't "like" Cena, they'd tune out rather than tune in. If the majority of fans really & truly think that WWE "sucks", then why are WWE programs among the most watched on cable television week after week? Why would, according to early estimates, WM 29 draw 1.2 million ppv buys, at a price of between $60-$70, if they didn't like the product.

A successful wrestling company isn't going to be successful by catering to the often momentary whims & idealized fantasy booking scenarios of internet fans. That's not to say that internet fans can't come up with potentially interesting & intriguing ideas that could possibly work. But, at the same time, there are no potential consequences to our little fantasies on how we think things should be run. After all, none of our decisions & ideas has the future of some 700+ employees & hundreds of millions of dollars hanging in the balance.

 

[Sweettre15]

Finally someone asks this question. First off, quit saying IWC this IWC that for everything. By abreviating the words internet wrestling community and calling it IWC you all make it sound like you are part of a multimillion dollar business corporation and every one bows down to you.

For some reason I seriously doubt that the people on the internet who like wrestling coined this term for themselves as opposed to journalists and detractors etc that call them this to lump them into one group.

Please, quit it. In my opinion, the internet wrestling geeks are just that - geeks and smart-asses. You think you all know what goes on in WWE and what goes on behind the scenes lol stop trying to act smart all the damn time. I'm sorry, but for over a year now I've been hearing this stupid IWC term and I see all of you people trying to act tough and smart insulting one another behind a stupid computer like please! Just quit dammit. Be normal. Be a normal fan. Enjoy WWE as a fan, not as a wannabe f*cking employee.

Um....Isn't voicing your opinion about what you like and dont like a part of being a "normal fan"?...Just curious. Also maybe there wouldnt be as much insults if there were less condescending posts like this.

You don't work there, so you don't know what goes on there. Simple as that. And you really think that the WWE even knows what this stupid little thing called the IWC is? ooohhh the almighty IWC ohhhh mannn. Lmfao. Yeah put it on your resumes - "I am part of the IWC" that'll get you a job! Lmao. There's so many garbage people on this site but here and there, there are some people who have common sense and who present themselves are well-educated and respectful fans of the WWE unlike many of you, who CONSTANTLY smack and ridicule WWE for WWE's actions.

Fine but does that mean that they dont have a right to voice their frustrations with the product?

Do you really think the WORLD Wrestling Entertainment gives two shi*s about the tiny little geeky nerdy low-life internet world? No. And I know people are gonna reply to me and yell at me and curse at me but if you use this comeback - "You post on this website so you are part of the IWC. You just insulted yourself" Something like that, then you're pathetic.

Once again..They have a right to voice their opinion and frustrations regardless of who hears it.

The only reason I'm posting on this website is because I've had enough of you people trying to act smart and act like you are the cure-all for WWE's so-called failures. Just shut up and enjoy WWE like a fan instead of constantly whining. Oh one more thing, this one really pisses me off I'm telling you.

The maybe you should find something better to do with your time then get butthurt with wrestling fans voicing their opinions.

Why are all of you so high on heels? Does it boost your own self-confidence to support bad guys and spit on the faces? Ryback as a face...you all hated him. Now he's heel and you all are starting to praise him. Why don't you give every wrestler a f*cking chance huh? Spitting on faces and d**k riding all heels...it's really annoying. No wonder WWE or anyone gives a crap about your collective opinions. So all in all, that is why the IWC will never be taken seriously...it's a joke lol.

I dont think it's a complete case of people just loving heels in general as much as people being tired of faces that are better off as heels fitting the cookie cutter superhero face archetype WWE tends to use for top guys. I dont like Ryback either way but his heel promos actually feel less forced and it helps distinguish him from being a full on Goldberg/Ultimate Warrior hybrid. I have never seen wrestling fan on the internet EVER imply that they just love heels for the sake of it.

As some examples

Sheamus = Some People want him to either turn heel or have more of an edge to his persona due to him being more of an Irish John Cena as a face

Randy Orton = Some People want him to turn heel because he's somewhat less monotonous as heel than he is as a face. Personally, I dont like the "Viper" shtick at all because of it's monotonous nature when I LOVED his "Legend Killer" persona's brash arrogance in which Orton delivered some very good promos with.

Cena = Some People want him to turn heel because he's been a superheroish face since 2005 and hoping that him reinventing himself will make him less boring to them as a face.


It has nothing to do with a simplistic thing as a love for heels in general.

 

[CaptainZaltan]

I think plenty of other posters have driven home the point about the IWC being a ridiculous term, and pointed out that the opinions expressed on these boards are usually diverse. The mistake (and it's one that's even been made by WWE superstars in the past) is in assuming that there is something inherently different about opinions expressed through forums and message boards. There isn't. The bottom line is, fans + internet doesn't make us any different than fans in general; we all want different things, and you can't please all the people all the time. Should the WWE be paying attention to what fans are saying on the internet? Sure. Companies should always pay attention to what's being said about their products wherever they are being discussed, if they want to keep their thumb on the pulse of their audiences/customers and maintain a positive corporate image. But should they be paying any more attention to the wrestlezone forums than, say, Twitter, or facebook, or the live crowds, or the merchandise sales, or the ratings? Absolutely not. The 'IWC' is just one means of gauging the opinions of the masses, and not a terribly effective one at that. After all, it would be difficult to pin down just what the hell the consensus opinion is on these forums alone, as it's pretty much all over the map.

As to the "IWC", the only use for the term is a poorly defined label under which to generalize and marginalize every wrestling fan whose opinions you disagree with.

 

[Headman]

Considering most of the ideas you see coming from these forums are down right terrible. And the fact that any shred of positivity found here is drowned out by the whining and the crying of people who will never been satisfied causes most level headed people to tune the internet community out. I don't really see what there is to take seriously in the first place. And now it's getting worse. People are going to live events with the sole purpose of ruining the show. If people behaved like this at a Bon Jovi concert Jon Bon Jovi wouldn't pretend to respect them for their honesty or defend them saying "They're just having fun!" as the WWE announcers do. No, Mr Bon Jovi would have their heckling asses thrown out of the building. If you don't like the product but you pay to see it anyway, that just makes you a moron in my book. If you don't like a match, go take a piss. And if you have time to start thread after thread about John Cena and how he can't wrestle (Even though he obviously can) or how stale he is (And the rest of the roster isn't?) then you really need to find something else to watch on monday nights. When Micheal J Fox left spin city I didn't spend every free moment of my life complaining about how much Charlie Sheen sucked. I found something else to watch. This is why the WWE will never take the "IWC" seriously. They claim to hate the product so much yet they prove time and time again that they will never stop watching. Why should they go out of their way to cater to people who are willing to watch and spend their money on a show whether they enjoy it or not?

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

Apparently since I am opinionated fan from the internet I should and never be taken seriously? If that's the case maybe I can return my CM Punk T-Shirt back to the WWE for a refund as well as the past live events I attended because I'm not seen as a relevant customer because I can have harsh criticisms to the product at times.

Sorry I don't see the logic in that, we are customers, fans, people who in someway help generate revenue for the WWE/TNA/etc. we have the right to have an opinion about the product.

Of course we can always stop supporting it(which many have done since the Attitude Era).

 

[PunisherLh]

With the Zack Ryder thing, we wanted the Ryder Revolution. Then WWE threw him with Cena and Ryder got buried by Kane. What is there to enjoy about that?

 

[scomvp316]

-I don't consider myself a IWC fan but just a fan that cares alot of the product for WWE,ROH,and TNA
-I cheer for the who I believe are the best wrestlers like Punk and Ziggler
-I want stuff to make sense seeing thats what makes great characters that go into a great show
-I don't cheer for all heels seeing I can't stand Miz especially when he was heel
-I have always wanted Cena to be heel just for a change of character as long as it makes sense and not just turning him heel just for the hell of it
-I will always watch wrestling regardless of promotion
-Cena as face of the company is the right and only move but that doesn't mean he should get all of the title runs that he has but must stay in the ME scene
-Maybe we have gotten spoiled from the AE
-I am not a big fan of most faces going over heels almost all the time
-The problem with that is when a talent was heel thats been a jobber for six months fans can't buy into that character as a dominant face
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