why so much hate for wrestling?

[Wrestlingfan100]

I do not mean to trash this place or generalize but maybe I am, but rightfully so because I am quite shocked at how I am treated here.

I find it funny this place is called wrestlezone forums it should be called "sports entertainment" or "Mainstream wrestling analysts." I like pro wrestling and I will not apologize for watching Lucha Libre and puroresu and trying to start topics and debates about something other than petty hearsay in the business. My question here is why do people have so much apathy for wrestling and claim the actual "wrestling" part is boring and mundane to them and then go around and claim to be
" wrestling fans". I use to care about pissing people off but now I don't care, bring on the snarky comebacks and snide comments, just answer my question "why does the majority here dislike in ring action"

 

[Paralyzer Z]

I do not mean to trash this place or generalize but maybe I am, but rightfully so because I am quite shocked at how I am treated here.

I find it funny this place is called wrestlezone forums it should be called "sports entertainment" or "Mainstream wrestling analysts." I like pro wrestling and I will not apologize for watching Lucha Libre and puroresu and trying to start topics and debates about something other than petty hearsay in the business. My question here is why do people have so much apathy for wrestling and claim the actual "wrestling" part is boring and mundane to them and then go around and claim to be
" wrestling fans". I use to care about pissing people off but now I don't care, bring on the snarky comebacks and snide comments, just answer my question "why does the majority here dislike in ring action"

first off there used to be a youtuber by the exact username that you use

I cant speak fo the majority of the IWC. Simply because I dont know if people hate in ring action a lot. Although I can speak for myself. I think that in ring action is the most important part of wrestling. storylines, promos and backstage segments come second to what happens in that aquared circle.

To tell the truth I dont think that you are going to recieve smarky comments (no offesnse to you) but the smarky ones are useally the ones that complain about everything other than in ring action.

 

[Wrestlingfan100]

first off there used to be a youtuber by the exact username that you use

I cant speak fo the majority of the IWC. Simply because I dont know if people hate in ring action a lot. Although I can speak for myself. I think that in ring action is the most important part of wrestling. storylines, promos and backstage segments come second to what happens in that aquared circle.

To tell the truth I dont think that you are going to recieve smarky comments (no offesnse to you) but the smarky ones are useally the ones that complain about everything other than in ring action.

My youtube name is wwefan15 or something, I regret it because I'm a fan of stand up and I pay attention to Mark Zuckerburg so my name kind of throws people off when I use my linguistic skills.

 

[mikde_]

I fail to see how you come to the conclusion that people here dont appreciate in ring ability. The fact is that most people here are intelligent enough to admit that in this day and age, Storytelling is the key factor.

Wrestling simply put is laughed at by the majority of the world and it is no longer the force it once was. WWE cannot compete with UFC because UFC offer real fights so WWE have to focus more on appealing to the younger generation and focusing more telling a story, Something UFC cannot do.

In Ring action is just not a draw and is usually a ratings killer. Check out the breakdowns for Raw, Smackdown or Impact...More often than not the good matches are usually the ones that get people changing the channel.

So yeah, people dont talk about in ring action as much because these days it just isnt as important in the grand scheme of things! Sure we all love in ring action but there is just no discussion there to be had that hasnt already been over done!

I also have a feeling this thread is a response to the amazingly crappy puro thread you posted that garnered something like 2 replies? am i right?

 

[Mustang Sally]

My question here is why do people have so much apathy for wrestling and claim the actual "wrestling" part is boring and mundane to them and then go around and claim to be
" wrestling fans".

You ask why you've been "treated badly" around here and don't see that some of it is related to the comment quoted above. You made a similar statement in your "What really bothers me" thread, in which you said:

"A 'Real' wrestling fan to me is the people who enjoy watching the WRESTLING over promos, storylines, mic skills etc, hence the two words " Wrestling fans", it's linguistically and literally correct as well."

Yes, you have a right to your opinion, but your manner of expressing it is going to earn the contempt of people on this forum. Your definition of a "real wrestling fan" is fine for you, but it isn't the end-all interpretation for everyone......and your stated opinion seems to dismiss those who don't might feel differently.

As it is, I read over the thread you started and didn't see anyone claiming to be apathetic toward the technical wrestling aspects of the business. I believe most fans enjoy scientific ring wrestling; it's just that they enjoy a lot of the sports entertainment features, too.....and you seem to dismiss them as "not real wrestling fans" for feeling that way.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Don't tell people they're not real fans just because they don't have the same opinion as you.

At the same time, you should have a tougher skin around here. A lot of the people on this forum are unnecessarily cruel in their non-acceptance of others' opinions. For instance, I detest the frequent usage of the words "******s" and "******ed" that people throw at those who don't agree with them. But it's the way life is around here; don't let it get you down.

 

[DirtyJosé]

I do not mean to trash this place or generalize but maybe I am, but rightfully so because I am quite shocked at how I am treated here.

Maybe you shouldn't post silly shit; that's usually what draws the mean out of people around here. This thread, for example, is quite silly.

I find it funny this place is called wrestlezone forums it should be called "sports entertainment" or "Mainstream wrestling analysts."

Clever, but irrelevant. This here is again the type of thing which will make people think poorly of you and may incite them treat you differently.

I like pro wrestling and I will not apologize for watching Lucha Libre and puroresu and trying to start topics and debates about something other than petty hearsay in the business.

Who asked you to apologize? I mean, don't expect many to jump on with that as most here don't follow these things. But that doesn't mean that you are the only one, or that somehow it makes you better (it doesn't) or an expert (you aren't).

My question here is why do people have so much apathy for wrestling and claim the actual "wrestling" part is boring and mundane to them and then go around and claim to be
" wrestling fans". I use to care about pissing people off but now I don't care, bring on the snarky comebacks and snide comments, just answer my question "why does the majority here dislike in ring action"

Do you have any sort of basis for this? What I mean is, what the fuck brought this on? Furthermore, "Wrestling" is more than just the action whether you like to admit it or not. If the product of "wrestling" could survive on matches alone and have no need for angles, stories, characters, promos, and any of that junk, we'd all be watching that instead of what we have. The simple truth is that for "wrestling" to be taken as anything than a cheaper version of something like MMA or Boxing, flavor is required.

This goes all the way back to the beginning more or less. Over the top people doing and saying over the top things before and after the matches. Stories which engage the crowd and offer reasons they are seeing what they are and give them reasons to tune back in again at the next show. Everything is as equally important as the rest. Some cultures and crowds thrive on something as bare bones and technical as the things you've listed, but it's clear the the majority of wrestling fans like the kind of product TNA and WWE offer better. Does that make any of either group less of a "wrestling" fan than the others? Absolutely not, and you'd be brain dead to think so.

 

[LSN80]

I don't see it either. If there's anything I see from the staff in our discussions and some of the more regular posters here, there's nothing more we appreciaate here then in-ring work. But the simple fact of the matter is this- A match between Evan Bourne and Rey Mysterio may be exciting and chalk full of athleticism, but devoid of storytelling. Hence we we tend to appreciate matches between the likes of CM Punk and Johjn Cena so much more.

Part of the faact of this is the promo's, backstory, and characters that go into a said match are all things I enjoy, Ill be the first to admit that. They're an important part of wrestling, specifically WWE work, that makes a wrestling match better. I enjoy the "pure" wrestling I watch in ROH for example, but I prefer the WWE style because it involves storytelling, psychology, and selling. There's a time and a place for Lucha Libre and Purueoso Wrestling, but there's a reason that it's not as popular in the states in general, or on this site specifically.

Look at it this way: You may watch a movie filled with great special effects, wall-to-wall action but a bad plot but with poorly defined characters, and the memory of most of it will soon fade from your mind. On the other hand, there are movies in shot within decent production that tell great stories with specific characters and a great plot with less action but action when called for, and which movie is going to stick with you more? Both may be enjoyable, but the movie with compelling characters and a great story are going to leave you more opportunity for discussion.

Please know that Im not here to be a detractor of the things you enjoy the most, simply explaining my own interests. It's to each their own, honestly. Your opinion may differ greatly from mine, and there's nothing wrong with that. But the way we define "true wrestling" may greatlky differ, and I don't understand how you believe what you enjoy is better is in fact so just because you claim it to be so. You have your opinion, myself mine.

I enjoy what I consider to be the total package: The promo work, character development, compelling storylines and talking segments that lead up to a great wrestling match, which is the end-all be-all for me.. I just happen to believe that a match based upon said storyline executed with great psychology as being the ultimate match, regardless of whether the athleticism and sequence of moves are at an A+ level or not. Look at CM Punk vs John Cena at MITB: The athleticism wasn't lucha level and nor was the balls to the wall action, but the storytelling and how that played out in the ring with everything making sense made for the best match Ive ever seen.

If others have attacked you for your likes/dislikes, that's part of the discussion that comes with being on a discussion forum. Ive made some of my best "e-friends" based upon spirited debates Ive had with about wrestling.

The thing to understand here is that this is a forum with opinionated people. Just as you have yours, so do others. If you don't want to debate and back up your opinion, youre in the wrong place, my friend.

 

[The Future Rises]

I have yet to see anyone on the forums that hates wrestling. You actually think the majority is in love with the "Sports Entertainment" part? Trust me.. Most of the IWC despise the term "entertainment" when it has something to do with Wrestling. And like I said I have yet to see someone on this forum that doesn't like the in ring action. If you have then please tell us. I'm actually interested in finding out who the "majority" is.