Why isn't Batista hated like Cena?

[Rug3r]

Cena has participated in 7 PPVs (as of July 6th, 2008) since his return at the Royal Rumble. Let's take a look at the feuds he's been in since his return and whether he should be referred to on the WZ forums as "Super Cena".

Royal Rumble (2008)- "Super Cena" won the Royal Rumble by eliminating Triple H
No Way Out (2008)- "Super Cena" didn't win the title from Randy Orton.
Wrestlemania 24 (2008)- "Super Cena" lost a triple threat match between him, HHH, and Orton.
Backlash (2008)- "Super Cena" got eliminated in the Fatal Four Way.
Judgement Day (2008)- "Super Cena" defeated JBL... no title involved.
One Night Stand (2008)- "Super Cena" defeated JBL once again but this time in a first blood match.
Night of Champions (2008)- "Super Cena" was defeated by HHH and didn't win the title.

Out of 7 PPVs, only 3 ended on a positive note for John Cena. If Vince isn't waiting a year to give Cena the title back for the 4th time I belive, then he should go after CM Punk for the World Heavyweight Championship. I don't think Punk will have the title very long and the only people he can drop the title to are guys who are much bigger than him such as JBL, Cena, and Batista. The IWC wouldn't want to see Cena and Batista with the title and I sure as hell don't want the title to be on JBL, but he'd either have to go over these guys or drop the title to one of them after defending against the likes of HBK, Y2J, and Rey Mysterio. Needless to say, they fucked up by putting the belt on Punk. It was nice though but it won't work out with matchups that are completely ass.

Back to the topic though, you hear more boos for Cena when he comes out but with Batista, it's nothing but cheering. Batista seems pretty good to me right now, people call him "Botchtista" but I don't see why, I haven't seen him botch recently (I started watching regularly again around september/october of 2007). So I'd cheer for Batista if I was in the arena but I wouldn't give a flying fuck about Cena, he doesn't really entertain me that much... but he was good this past Monday.

 

[Logan!]

I think it's becouse he was not shoved down throat and in ar faces, for one and 2nd he tries and you can see it 3rd the love and respect he has for Flair and HHH as well as eddie guerrero and Rey Rey helps alot, and in wrestling Energy, Aggression, viciousness, Respect, love and raw power go a long way.

and he is better then him. and took some time moving up.

 

[klunderbunker]

I'd say he isn't partially because for this whole time he hasn't been on the A show. Not sure if it is now, but up until the draft there's no argument that Raw was superior to SD both in quality and the attention it received. Batista was the face of SD, Cena was the face of Raw, and therefore of the company. It's the same thing that happened to Hogan in the early 90s. People got sick of him simply because he was everywhere and he got stale. Batista did as well, but without the attention from WWE. WWE never really marketed him as the megastar that they did with Cena. When's the last time Batista was put on a talk show to plug a pay per view or anything like that. To me, people got sick of Cena because he was all that was shown to you outside of the ring, be it on posters or what have you, and people were sick of the sight of him.

 

[RBH]

tHIS is very simple. Cena was heavily thrown down our throats for a whole year especially with that ridiculous year long title reign. He went over Edge, Umaga, Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton, Great Khali, Randy orton again at Summmerslam, Randy Orton once more at Unforgiven. I honestly believe that had he not gotten hurt, John cena would possibly still be champion to THIS DAY! The WWE were getting ridiculous with that title reign and making everyone on the roster look weak. Cena never loses. It is simple as that and it is kind of sad. He has never been beaten by JBL. I was happy that Trips beat him recently cleanly because that was the first time Cena was beat cleanly in years! At least Batista loses every now and then. He went over Umaga at Mania, lost to HBK at Backlash, beat HBK at ONS, lost to Edge at NOC, thats 2-2. How did Cena do? He went over JBL twice and lost to Orton and Trips...2-2 but still. Cena goes over a lot more than Batista and even tho he is booked better these days, I am afraid of what might happen if he becomes champ again.

 

[DeadmanInc.]

The main reason is that Batista isn't shoved down our throats as the next big thing. Cena is everywhere and it's really annoying. He has one of the longest reigns as WWE champion in history and it's disgusting. He was champion longer than Stone Cold, The Rock, Undertaker, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and even Triple H. He basically buried just about everyone that contended for his title during that year: Edge, Umaga, Lashley, Orton etc. If he didn't get injured, I'm sure he would have held the title until Wrestlemania AT LEAST. That year Cena barely lost at all and the worst part is, all of his matches were exactly the same. The only exceptions were his matches with Shawn Michaels but that's due to Michaels carrying the entire match.

Unlike Cena, Batista isn't portrayed as invincible. He has many losses against Edge and Undertaker. He does have the longest reign as World Heavyweight Champion but that can be blamed on the fact that Smackdown didn't have many worthy contenders at the time. He has also improved a lot since feuding with Undertaker and Edge while every single Cena match is exactly the same. If you've seen one Cena match, you've seen them all.

One of the reasons I don't hate Batista is because he is one of the few that has been decisively put over by Triple H. I loved his Wrestlemania match against Triple H because Batista made him look absolutely weak.

 

[kiriyama]

Batista seems pretty good to me right now, people call him "Botchtista" but I don't see why, I haven't seen him botch recently (I started watching regularly again around september/october of 2007). So I'd cheer for Batista if I was in the arena but I wouldn't give a flying fuck about Cena, he doesn't really entertain me that much... but he was good this past Monday.

Well, you do make a valid point, he hasn't botched lately... but he still slows the matches' pace to near standstills. His match against Edge at NOC was one of his best matches I've seen, but it was still SO slow paced. Edge was the backbone, moving it along here and there.

But to the point, I think Batista has voiced in his ring work that, "Yes, I'm slow but look at me... I can wrestle better than the chaingang commander". So, like many people I don't hate on Batista anymore, I save all of my hatred for Mr. 5-Moves of Doom.

 

[BaconBits]

I think people boo Cena due to extreme overexposure. He is forced down throats all the time. Not only on the actual wrestling shows, but on talk shows, and in commercials, and on NASCAR broadcasts, and on magazine covers, etc... He's more overexposed than Hogan was in the 80's, and I've always thought that would be impossible.

Also, his gimmick is extraordinarily stale. It's always him fighting for all that's right and just. He comes out and spews the same old stuff for cheap pops week in and week out. It's so bad the average wrestling fan can see right through it.

The only good thing about Cena right now is Cryme Tyme. Hopefully, they can build on this association with Cena and make the tag team divison somewhat cool again.


Batista is the classic wrestling badass, and I think that's why fans gravitate towards him. He is a whole lot like Goldberg was in WCW. Neither one of them is a very good wrestler, but that's not important to fans. He looks badass and acts badass, that's all that matters.

I have to say, though, I personally enjoy Batista's mic work as of late. He's coming across as very smart, and kinda funny. I dig it. He seems to be getting a little better in the ring too. I think his ring work would improve even better if he lost a good 20 pounds, but his badassness (is that even a word?) would be diminshed. Big time double edged sword.

 

[The Champ is here]

Is it just me or does Batista suck more than Cena?

These Two are the "Same ol' Shit wrestlers" in the history of wrestling.

But to answer the thread's question, Batista isn't hated like Cena because Batista hasn't been champion for over 12 months straight unlike Cena, also his moves are so powerful they just can silence the whole crowd.

I think John Cena is way better than Batista. Batista two word mic skills just sucks and he still does the thumbs up thumbs down from 3 years ago. At least cena comes up with different mic matieral........ Ever since i seen One night Stand 2006, john cena won my respect. Batista has yet earned my sports entertainment respect.
If you ask me I think 10 year old kids appeal to batista then John Cena, i guess that's why Batista isn't hated like Cena.

I would pay and have paid money to see John Cena. I would not spend a dime to see Batista.

 

[Rug3r]

I don't hate either one of them... I actually like Cena now because he paid more attention than usual to my hometown of New Orleans since he lived there. He even spraypainted "CTC" on JBL's limo which 95% of people who don't know about New Orleans don't know what it is. It's Cut Throat City or Cross the Canal (nickname for downtown new orleans).. he knows his shit. He also doesn't seem to be the same old shit wrestler everyone has been complaining about as of late, he had a nice ass match at NOC.. which he lost, he obviously isn't supercena anymore and when I go to a show and Cena is there, I will definitely cheer for him. I'd boo the characters I don't like even if I respect them for their work... I like Randy Orton but if I cheer for him just because he plays his character good, that would be fucking up his job... like if I was a heel and people were cheering for me after I beat up a midget... I'd be pissed off.

 

[Joker ' Ferreira]

The difference between Cena and Batista, is that Cena can really work a match, Batista can't.

Why is not hated so much? Because almost everyone that watches wrestling is a kid, they mark for everyone, but not for Cena, why? Because Cena is now "boring", boring on the internet, of course.

Let's say this, you have a wrestler, let's call him "John", he wins a title after being 3 years on a company, he gets the push of a life-time, and then just gets injured, comes back, 3 months later, and almost a year after he loses his belt he doesn't have it, and people start to like him again...

Now, you have another wrestler, let's call him "Dave", he is around the best pro-wrestler of all time, Ric Flair, and another good talent (not so much, anymore) Triple H, he makes a face turn and beats the hell out of him, becomes the "Animal", a guy that can... let's say it, squash anyone. He gets injured... he comes back and what? He wins the title again.

See the difference? I see it, Batista is more over with the crowd, just because, Internet doesn't like Cena, and if it doesn't like it, even the most mark fan, won't cheer for him (at least if you are not a female teenager) just because "other people" say he "sucks".

They don't even care if Batista is more "boring" or just more "stale" than Cena, because he is, they just cheer for him for not being Cena.

 

[Rug3r]

I think Cena is the most over person in the company... when Batista comes out I never hear any boos it's just straight cheers throughout the arena. When Cena comes out the crowd pops like a motherfucker for him, usually 75% cheers but you can clearly hear boos. Cena is such a hot topic whether people like him or hate him. Both have great mic work (Cena is better on the mic though) and both can put on interesting matches. I've heard Batista used to botch alot and Cena rarely botches. Both guys are swole as shit, but I'm having a hard time figuring out which one is more jacked. I think they are about the same but Batista always wears tight ass shirts and flaunts his muscles, Cena just dresses and acts more average. I might be terribly wrong though.

Cena is obviously better than Batista though.

 

[ShatterStar]

This is a simple one to answer. Why isn't Batista hated like Cena? Because Batista, up until the past couple of weeks, has been on Smackdown and, honestly, no one watches Smackdown. Now that Batista's on Raw, just give it a couple more weeks and you'll see. The internet Batista bitch-fest will be in full swing.

 

[Canadian Knight]

You think that he is not hated like Cena because he was on Smackdown? What kind of crap is that? Cena has only a few moves and they could be more. You face Cena you have a chance to beat him, a small chance, but a chance netherless. Batista has the move sets suited for him. With his Powerbomb and his spear makes him a very dangerous person to face. And you have a snowball's chance in heck before being able to beat him.

 

[ShatterStar]

You're kidding me, right? Did you not read the freakin' title of this thread? It has absolutly nothing to do with which one any of us has a chance at beating.

Look, it's common sense really. Raw is watched a hell of a lot more than Smackdown. Therefore, Cena is forced down the viewer's throats a hell of a lot more. The result is that Cena is "hated" more... Holy freakin' crap, I honesly didn't think I'd have to go into such detail with this...

 

[Razz]

I think Batista isn't hated lately as much as Cena, because Cena was acting fake. His character wasn't coming natural to him and he was overplaying things. People were seeing through Cena especially smarks. Batista is just being Dave Batista. The best Cena imho is still the Cena after the period where he broke up with Bsquared and adopted the thuganomics gimmick. His long face run has made him stale, hopefully this association with Cryme Tyme will make him a little more interesting..

 

[ShatterStar]

...hopefully this association with Cryme Tyme will make him a little more interesting.

This association would've been a lot more interesting had they turned heel. That's just the change in character that Cena desparatly needs at this point because, you're right, he has gotten extremely stale with this 80's Hogan face gimmick.

 

[chatterx]

I am sorry to all you cena fans but I do not see the greatness in him.

All I see is a guy who shouts some lines in a mic and then during a match.... boringly says "you cant see me" and does a extremely slow knuckle drop on a aware opponent.

The guy is a face of course and with some work can be extremely entertaining. Just get rid of the whole please the crowd attitude and go along with whoop ass like stone cold did

 

[Mantard]

Seeing as how this is turning into yet ANOTHER Anti-Cena thread, let's get back on track, shall we?

I think Batista isn't hated like Cena for a few reasons:

Reason number one: His feuds are played out much differently. Cena would get tossed around, draw his power from the sun and the God of Suck, then hit the FU for the 1-2-3. Title reign for (pretty much) a year and half or so.

Batista, on the other hand, has held the title every third reign or so, meaning he would actually lose on occasion. His feuds, while often becoming stale, put on some interesting and quality matches in the mean time.

Reason number two: Cena held the title longer, Batista held it more often.

Reason number three: Their promos are pretty different. Cena's often (now at least) are him trying to be funny or screaming into the camera and/or microphone. Batista's generally end in someone getting their ass beat, i.e. Punk's title win.

Reason number four: Batista was part of Evolution. That gives him quite a few points, like 'em or not.

 

[Rusty]

Reason number one: His feuds are played out much differently. Cena would get tossed around, draw his power from the sun and the God of Suck, then hit the FU for the 1-2-3. Title reign for (pretty much) a year and half or so.

Batista, on the other hand, has held the title every third reign or so, meaning he would actually lose on occasion. His feuds, while often becoming stale, put on some interesting and quality matches in the mean time.

I disagree as I feel Cena's feuds are pretty interesting. But I agree with you when you mention how SuperCena always comes back and wins compared to Batista. Also, Cena has been losing lately and hasnt held the title since October 2007 which means that John Cena actually does lose.

Reason number two: Cena held the title longer, Batista held it more often.

Agreed, the long title reign did Cena more harm than good with the fans. I personally liked the lengthy title run as it hasnt been done in a while.

Reason number three: Their promos are pretty different. Cena's often (now at least) are him trying to be funny or screaming into the camera and/or microphone. Batista's generally end in someone getting their ass beat, i.e. Punk's title win.

I disagree. Cena cuts better promos than Big Dave. Cena has more intencity on the mic and is more natural. And being funny and making jokes, is part of his character but Batista is a more serious character.

Reason number four: Batista was part of Evolution. That gives him quite a few points, like 'em or not.

This has nothing to do with Batista getting more pops than Cena. Evolution helped Batista with his mic skills and wrestling ability, but he was a heel in Evolution and got booed. Triple H helped Batista evolve into a face but that was after Batista left Evolution.

 

[Stryfe]

Batista hasn't held the title as long as Cena has since they both came to the top at WM 21. Not to mention Cena has been fairly unbeatable. Batista loses alot compared to Cena. I suspect both will get booed in NY this Sunday.

On the mic? Batista says things that kills the crowd after his pop is over but Cena has become so annoying and so off base in his promos over the last two years, he's getting booed HARD during in ring segments. It's a damn shame to see how this guy has fallen off since his hot rise just 3 years ago. Getting punked out by today's versions of Shawn Michaels and HHH is pathetic.

 

[BaconBits]

I've come to realize that most of this board hates both Cena and Batista.

The reason?

Because they're popular.

So many on this board enjoy craptastic wrestlers like Punk and Kennedy because they have these strong indy roots, and were (supposedly) these strong indy icons. I highly doubt most of the anti-everything posters have even ever seen any of the indy matches and feuds they often refer to.

The reason?

Because they think they're "better" wrestling fans than the masses.

It must really suck to be a wrestling fan that hates wrestling.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I've come to realize that most of this board hates both Cena and Batista.

The reason?

Because they're popular.

So many on this board enjoy craptastic wrestlers like Punk and Kennedy because they have these strong indy roots, and were (supposedly) these strong indy icons. I highly doubt most of the anti-everything posters have even ever seen any of the indy matches and feuds they often refer to.

The reason?

Because they think they're "better" wrestling fans than the masses.

It must really suck to be a wrestling fan that hates wrestling.

You have it all wrong my friend. Most people that reply to this board hate both Cena and Batista beacause their in ring skills match two of the worst in ring wrestlers of all time and because they are terribly predictable.

Cena is to this generation what Hulk Hogan was. Great promos, children love him, but his matches sucked. Just like Hogan, Cena will enter a match, get his ass annialated for about 25 mins and in some sort of miracle, use his 4 to 5 moves of death and win the match. Just like Hogan, with his Hulk up, 3 punches, big boot, and leg drop and those are the only moves that they hit all match, besides a punch here and there.

Batista is just like the Ultimate Warrior. 3 or 4 high impact moves and that is it, outside of a few strikes here and there.

If they could wrestle, they would be loved, end of story.

 

[Mantard]

I can see the merit to that. They watch Raw and Smackdown (and maybe TNA), so they're obviously not wrestling fans.

I think a lot of people hate Batista and Cena for a slew of different reasons. I've already posted why I thought Batista wasn't as hated, but Rusty pretty much agreed, disagreed, and stayed on the fence with those.

I think the main reason was the SuperCena era. I stopped watching main events because I always knew how they'd turn out. Never had I been to excited than the day Cena took a spill from Orton and I said in shock "Wait, did you see that? Cena took it hard!"

Say what you want about both, but the fact is that love em or hate em, they'll be sticking around, just hopefully not in the title picture too much.

I like title changes, but I often enjoy non-title matches, because (if they're good and not a squash-of-the-week) this often leaves an air of the match can go either way. At least with midcard titles, anyway. Heavyweight championship matches are generally easy to guess, and the ECW one... well... who cares?

 

[BaconBits]

You have it all wrong my friend. Most people that reply to this board hate both Cena and Batista beacause their in ring skills match two of the worst in ring wrestlers of all time and because they are terribly predictable.

Cena is to this generation what Hulk Hogan was. Great promos, children love him, but his matches sucked. Just like Hogan, Cena will enter a match, get his ass annialated for about 25 mins and in some sort of miracle, use his 4 to 5 moves of death and win the match. Just like Hogan, with his Hulk up, 3 punches, big boot, and leg drop and those are the only moves that they hit all match, besides a punch here and there.

Batista is just like the Ultimate Warrior. 3 or 4 high impact moves and that is it, outside of a few strikes here and there.

If they could wrestle, they would be loved, end of story.

They are both loved by the masses. The smarks despise them, in an effort to be a "smarter" wrestling fan than the masses. In truth, I think most smarks have lost a grip on the realities of wrestling. The masses enjoy it for what it is, entertainment. They're not always analyzing wrestlers for what they can and can't do.

It's the reason Kennedy is a God on this board, but the masses give him the reaction of meat loaf or something. He isn't entertaining to them. Same with Punk and so on...

 

[Mantard]

Simply put, the masses tend to enjoy wrestlers for three factors (off the top of my head, anyway): Their character, promos, and getting fans pumped mid-match. Cena and Batista happen to do both, and unless WWE dubs in cheers/boos, they do it pretty damn well.

Most people here tend to dissect every aspect of every wrestler that comes up. Their physical shape, mic skills, wrestling skills, their move set, etc etc. When you have so many more things to analyze, it's easy to predict that more wrestlers are going to be far less popular.