As usual, you're trying to twist what someone says, me in this case, to make it suit your ends while always trying to generalize every wrestling fan, and wrestlers themselves, into categories to make it seem like you have some legitimate point. What fans want is someone they can invest in organically, there are more than just alpha males and underdogs in wrestling by the way, but they're not getting that and haven't been getting that. Reigns isn't remotely as bad as some try to make him out, but he's also not remotely as good as you try to make him out either, not in the role he's been constantly pushed towards. Vince wants Reigns over in a very specific way and very specific role; he's tried everything and what he's tried now is to cast Reigns as some sort of underdog fighting from underneath and it's stupid, it's just plain ol' fucking stupid. Trying to sell Roman Reigns as an underdog is like trying to sell the 60s Batman TV series as high drama.
Man, you really, really, really need to stop trying to generalize everyone. It doesn't put any strength into your arguments or position, it just makes you come off like someone desperate to get his points accepted. I don't hate WWE management, I don't hate the "system" and I don't buy into the commentary of this being what's wrong with society. If I think WWE management screws up and that Vince's "system" is outdated in some cases, what's wrong with voicing that opinion. I do agree with the notion that there are too many fans who want to be stars of the show, but what about fans who simply would like Vince McMahon to actually pay attention to what and who they're interested in? Do you think fans wouldn't be interested in Finn Balor here, or Seth Rollins? What about Drew McIntyre or....I dunno….the most over babyface on the Raw roster, AKA Braun Strowman? Maybe consider a Kevin Owens face turn and give him the push? It's something to think about. For four years now, Vince has tried time after time after time to force fans to accept Reigns because it's what HE wants and there is no, logical, justifiable reason why they shouldn't voice that opinion. If something isn't working, if it's not getting over with fans the way that he wants it to, then why not actually try fixing it by making needed changes? Why not turn Reigns heel? Why not turn him into a vicious tweener with no friends or allies? Why not at least give those things a try? They can't possibly cause any damage to Reigns and maybe it could work; I don't know that it'd work, of course, but it's something to try. You've heard the old saying about insanity being doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? It's what Vince has subjected Reigns to over the years.
Do you know why so many fans would accept AJ Styles or Daniel Bryan in the spot over Roman Reigns? Because not only do they like them, but they like them because they have actual reasons to. They have actual personalities, they have actual personas that tell a story whereas Roman Reigns' entire schtick is walking around, surveying everything like he owns it and calling himself "the Big Dog." That's it. Jack up the intensity and throw in a heel turn, and there may be something to invest in. Now I'll agree that, unfortunately, there are some fans that are just too damn stupid to just dislike someone just because Vince is into him; they do it out of some misguided principle or they think it makes them edgy as they strike back at the corporate machine. It's idiotic but it doesn't make up all fans who're just not digging Roman Reigns' never-ending push. I do think some of the hate towards him might disappear if he was pushed down to the mid-card because MAYBE, just MAYBE it's where he belongs. If given a choice between that and Vince repeating the same mistakes time and time again, I'll gladly give mid-card Roman a try.
You haven't proven any sort of point, you haven't established any sort of argument. You're making the same allegations and generalizations towards fans who don't share your like of Roman Reigns because you're butt hurt over it. Within a couple of months, you'll make another thread just like this one asking why others don't think Reigns is the mountain of caramel complexioned lusciousness and greatness that you do. A number of posters will give you their reasons, some of which are genuinely credible and have weight to them, you'll get mad, start generalizing and categorizing because it's all you've got. You won't convince anyone you're right, no one will convince you that they're right and the discussion will pick back up a few months down the road.
1) Blah! Blah! Blah! I can't even understand the point of your first paragraph.
2) I never said that Roman was good, or the best for the role, and if this was an isolated incident, I might even believe you.
But Roman is looked at as "John Cena 2.0". You people said the EXACT same things about John Cena for 12 years e.g. he can't wrestle (he can), he only has five moves (he has more than that), he should turn heel (maybe, but if it makes storyline sense, or to give him new opponents to fight, not just to cater to fans).
I predicted a few years ago, and it has come to fruition, that one day you people will give Cena his dues instead, when he is retired, and not around every week, and if he were to go into the HoF, you would all cheer him, because no matter how much a wrestler from the past sucks, the fans give the nostalgia pop to them, and also, someone new would come along who you people think sucks more than Cena, and guess what, I was right. Cena is not as hated these days, and the fans have turned their hatred to Vince's next project instead. And you'll do it to the guy who replaces Roman, and the next one, and the next one. Rinse and repeat. Anything to believe that Vince McMahon doesn't have a clue.
Nothing wrong with voicing your opinion on the state of WWE, provided it is actually YOUR opinion, and not just parroting the same things many of the others on here say. As long as you are not just saying things to be popular on this board.
If you gave me unique and different reasons, well-thought out ones that I haven't heard before, then it might give me food for thought. But I have heard Roman haters use the same few arguments on why he sucks (which, surprisingly, never bothered them when Roman was in NXT or a member of the Shield, where he, Seth and Dean were considered "cool"). If Roman sucks now, then how come he didn't in NXT or in the Shield? Has his ringwork and stickwork deteriorated, or is it because Vince made him a big deal?
Braun Strowman over as a babyface? That might have worked, if Braun wasn't booked to lose to Brock after ONE F5, or if he didn't spend Wrestlemania tagging with a child (see, I can criticise WWE decisions as well).
Also, I wouldn't want to see Kevin Owens ever be a "babyface" no matter how popular he is. He is a natural heel, and besides, you want Roman to turn heel, then you will cheer him, so why not keeping cheering KO for being a heel?
Don't you see, if Roman goes heel, you will all cheer him, and he becomes popular (according to your argument) so Vince will then turn him back face. It is self-defeating to turn him for that reason.
"Fans accept A.J. Styles and Daniel Bryan because fans have reasons to like them".
It also helps that Styles fought in Japan, the haven of wrestling fanboy's wet dreams, and Bryan came from the indies. Also helps that neither have a massive physique and haven't been pushed to the moon by Vince. If they had, I tip the fans would think differently about them.
I maintain that DB's injury was a blessing in one way. It meant that his reign as champion ended before it became too stale for fans, or the fans got bored and turned on him. Also, it meant that he dodged Dave Meltzer announcing him as Vince's "boy" and Vince being "high" on him, spelling the death knell to fan popularity. You all said "Yes! Yes!" to Bryan winning the belt at WMXXX, but if he was still champion by WM31, I tip you would have said "No! No!".
You say that you would give mid-card Roman a try. Now, I believe that, if you criticise a decision, you need to offer an alternative or better decision. So, if Roman is mid-card, then who would be "the guy" instead? Your favourite indy darling? The flavour of the month? The hottest thing in NXT? Or someone from ROH or Japan? More importantly, will this person you suggest make money and sell tickets to many people outside of those who post on here?