Why are people certain that CM Punk is going to turn heel?

[Shocky]

I'm not sold on this line of thought. The WWE has an image problem right now in the mainstream media, a rampant steroid abusing cess pool of drug abusing meat heads. Sure, it might be a bad stereotype, maybe an untrue one, but the track record of that locker room isn't a very good one. Maybe when dead wrestlers stop showing up in the newspapers, that perception will change...

but onto the topic at hand. Why, oh why, would the WWE decide to turn it's one publically acknowledged straight edge star into a heel? CM Punk is the exact type of person the WWE should be promoting and pushing, not the type of person the WWE would rightfully villify. The only possible situation where that would remotely work would be with Jeff Hardy as the face, but even then, when you look deeper and CM Punk cuts as deep of a promo on Hardy as Hardy cuts himself with a razor, where would your allegiance lie. When a guy like punk cuts a promo on why Hardy doens't love the business, and a guy like Punk does everything he does for the business, where would your allegiance lie?

CM Punk is the WWE's workhorse right now. For me, he's the most valuable player of the Raw Brand right nwo. I can't recall a bad match from the guy over the last year. Sure, he might not have had great matches, but the guy never dogs it out in the ring. From King of the Ring runner up, to ECW champion, to Money in the Bank winner, to tag winner, to world champion, the guy is constantly on or around the titles, and does a good job with them.

So convince me again, why would the WWE ever want to turn Punk heel?

 

[klunderbunker]

While I think he'd be a good heel, it would make no sense at all. Why would you want to change something that is working? While the IWC hates Punk and says that he's awful, I beg to differ. There's little bad about Punk whatsoever. He's beyond over, he can talk fairly well, and as Shocky said there's never really been a bad Punk match that I can recall. There's another reason why Punk couldn't be a convincing heel in WWE: the guy is freaking tiny. He's really a glorified cruiserweight when you look at him. Look at his offense aside from the GTS. It's a lot of dives, springboards and running based moves. The thought of Punk's character as a heel works, but in reality it's just not good in WWE. Punk is only 30 years old. With no alcohol or drugs to affect his body he could have a lengthy career. He's a great face and could be around near the top of the company for a long time to come.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

The IWC hates Punk because they hate faces. It seems their answer to everything is to turn them heels(Punk, HBK, Cena, Batista, Jeff). And although Punk during his ROH days made a good heel(he was able to get the fans against him for the drug thing), I don't know how effective a heel CM Punk would be.

While more of his personality and his acting chops may come out, I think Punks style is better suited as face. Like Hardy & HBK he is a good seller, and he uses alot of flashy moves that would just limit the heel reaction he would get(like Morrison, Shelton, Kendrick). Although he could maybe use his other abilities to get the crowd against him, it might not work so well.

Also Punk is a great face and a top midcard face. He is under Cena, HBK, and Mysterio but he's probably the next popular face. He has a strong following and moves merchandise. I think they should wait a while and build Punk up more before making him heel. Although like others I think Punk's personality might come out better as heel and heels are more interesting, he might still be in the same place if the WWE does't give him promo spots to promote his new character. So while I would like to see him heel, I say wait a while before you make him a heel.

 

[8five]

I think I'm going to be the first to say I want him to turn heel, but not quite yet. I don't think he's stale but I think the day will come when he does become stale and thats when you turn him into the heel he was in his RoH days. I'm a big Punk fan and truly believe he needs some solid camera time to cut promos and build his face character. Clearly the WWE thinks he could be something as they have given him the world title of two brands in just over two years on the main stage. Its another case of proper booking could making him a top contender and even more over then he already is. Punk is the type of character you can rally around if given the ability to speak his mind, so you let him do it and build that fan base and then turn him heel and he would be the most effective heel in the company. Fans hate heels more so after they have devoted so much time being behind them as faces and i think that is the proper way to grow Punk's character

 

[Mr. TM]

Shock, you mkae a good point that I did not think of. CM Punk is the type of person that the WWE does need to be their star. A person that they can point to and say... Look, CM Punk does not take steriods and is an incredible talent.

But can they not do that for a heel? The media has no interest in storylines. CM Punk can be the biggest heel in the company, and the WWE can still pass him off to the media as drug and alcohol free superstar.

A person who does not do drugs is a great character for kids. And the WWE is trying to sell its products to kids. That is why CM Punk is still a face. Look at all the wrestlers that will remain face while the WWE continues to be for the kids. Rey Mysterio, Batista, Shawn Michaels and John Cena will not turn heel. I really do not think Punk will be turning heel anytime soon. Especially a heel who hates drug users, not the image that WWE wants.

 

[salomon1080s]

It's really funny that you made this thread about people wanting cm punk to turn heel. I said the same thing in the thread who needs a face or heel turn real bad. There is no reason to turn him heel, his character is over with the fans and sells a decent amount of merch, always has decent matches at a style thats obviously a face style, and has a life style that the wwe should promote.

I think IWC wants him to turn heel because IWC hates faces and loves heels as someone mention before. I feel the real reason if anything is the same for a long period of time in wwe the IWC claims it's stale and needs to be changed. After two months of being heel the IWC will want to change him face again. I think thats the problem with us were never really completely satisfied with the product like we used too be.

 

[Tastycles]

I think what actually needs to be done is that CM Punk should be allowed to express himself more. He is straight edge, but fom his promos alone, you wouldn't know it. He is given quite goofy things to say (e.g. "I want to thank Batista for the assist" both in his post cash in interview and his slammy reception.)

His opinions on drugs should be brought to the forefront, especially when he is feuding with a heel. Regal was suspended, he should be saying "I'm better than him because I'm not a cheat."

I really like Punk, I think his matches are solid, and for someone who looks quite inaccessible to kids, he looks the part. He is cheered when he comes out without fail, nobody ever chants "boring" and the ratings when he was champ are comparable to the ratings now that Pope Cena has returned to the fore.

In short, Punk should be brought out of his shell more, and as a face, because he could really end up being a true main event player by the end of the year.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Its an IWC thing that is just as wrong as animal porn, like people asking for Cena to be heel. Its idiotic.

Kids fucking LOVE CM Punk. Ive been to four live events this year, and besides Hardy and Cena, best I could tell by merch/sighns/ buzz, Punk is super over. People on the internet just ejaculate (love that word) over "cocky" "cool" heels, and its been said that the SXE lifestyle heel could be just that. People will point to how "cool" he was in the indies. Well, tell me then, were has he made more money?? The Straight Edge superstar in the WWE, or the "cool cocky" straight edge heel in the indies??

Not to mention that Punk has EVERYTHING the WWE wants right now in a star. No worries about drug slip ups, and legit fighting skills. No way they would probablyeven entertain the notion of spoiling that.

 

[Showtime]

I can't imagine anyone hating Punk. The guy is a workhorse and he never wrestles a bad match, his promos are solid and his gimmick is inspiring in a sorts. And the WWE would be a little out of their mind if they were to turn CM heel. He has built up a strong following and, as already stated, exemplifies what the WWE is trying to change their image to, clean and drug free. The only, only, real reason I could see why the WWE or anybody would want to turn Punk heel and that is, has he gone stale?

He has been a face since his debut back in summer of 2006, save one short heel turn where he seemed like he more pretended to be bad and in two weeks destroyed the New Breed. Now, 2 1/2 years is by no stretch the longest face run we've seen lately, but it is of notable length and is generally around the time you may begin to wonder if a turn should be in the works. You also begin to look bad and see what you have accomplished and where you can go from there. Some internet fans are extremely harsh on CM, but Punk has in fact accomplished quite a lot in his 2 1/2 years in the WWE. Impressive win streak debut, given the DX signature of approval at Survivor Series, ECW title reign, MITB winner, World heavyweight champion, World Tag Team champion, in hot pursuit of the IC title now, and what might be most impressive, went through three losing streaks based mainly on backstage politics by road agents, and yet still, survived through them all and not only maintained but continued to grow in popularity. So much in only 2 1/2 years, and yet, now we turn to what more can he do. He can certainly add to his impressive resume, but more concerning, how much farther can his character continue. I've begun to notice his popularity beginning to level off, maybe even slipping a touch. As popular as Punk is, and he is over, he is not the biggest face, not number 2, maybe not even number 3 on either show when all wrestlers are healthy. Part the problem may be the fact that Punks only been here 2 1/2 years and hasn't developed quite the fan base of many of the wrestler who have been in the WWE longer. WWE fans have a over fantasied love to cheer for the older main stays, example aside from Micheals, Undertaker, Hardy's, HHH and Cena, Big Show's most unsuccessful return as a heel, and Jericho's continued cheer support throughout much of his heel turn. Maybe once all those older ones move over and retire, Punk will move up the face later, but how much longger will that be, we know of WWE stubborn fans who won't let anyone retire/leave.

In fact, CM may suffer from what I am now going to dub "Jericho Syndrome". Basically, as bad assed popular and over Jericho was as a face, he was never the number 1 face, rarely the number 2. Mostly he was the third most over face, very much loved and adored by the audience, but never enough that would convince the company to put the title on him and run. In Jericho's first run, about 6 years, he's had three one on challenges for the WWE championship at PPV's (Armageddon 01 I'm counting as one match), 2 matches at PPV's where it was a triple threat match for the WWE title, was in 3 EC matches and defended the title at three PPV's. So in about 60-70 PPV's that Jericho would've been actively healthy for, he wrestled for the title in 8 PPV's and defended in in 3 others, and some of those weren't the main event matches either. And only two of those were when he was in full blown face stage, the others were either as heel or face turning into a heel. Punk in 2 1/2 years has just one PPV match as challenger for a world title, we'll give him the ECW EC match, and two as champion. Jericho was just never over enough as a face to even be considered a challenger for the WWE title, sad as it is. That's why he became a face, he accomplished as much as he could and it was time to try something else and further himself and maybe try being a face again later.

Is Punk as far as he can go, maybe, maybe not. He continues to improve in the ring and on the mic, and his popularity hasn't stayed level enough long enough for us to know if he's reached his peak. He could still go farther as a face, but maybe a heel change wouldn't be bad. I'm left open to the option. Obviously not right now, with nothing planned or even remotely set up to have it make any sense, but play the right story, right reasons, I could buy it. Many middle-uppercard faces turned heel to finally legitimize themselves as maineventers, like Jericho, Edge, and HHH. I for one, dont want to see him turn, but it might just have to happen one day.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I'm not sold on this line of thought. The WWE has an image problem right now in the mainstream media, a rampant steroid abusing cess pool of drug abusing meat heads. Sure, it might be a bad stereotype, maybe an untrue one, but the track record of that locker room isn't a very good one. Maybe when dead wrestlers stop showing up in the newspapers, that perception will change...

Oh how I love more Punk-love threads. Shocky, here.. we.. go..

but onto the topic at hand. Why, oh why, would the WWE decide to turn it's one publically acknowledged straight edge star into a heel? CM Punk is the exact type of person the WWE should be promoting and pushing, not the type of person the WWE would rightfully villify. The only possible situation where that would remotely work would be with Jeff Hardy as the face, but even then, when you look deeper and CM Punk cuts as deep of a promo on Hardy as Hardy cuts himself with a razor, where would your allegiance lie. When a guy like punk cuts a promo on why Hardy doens't love the business, and a guy like Punk does everything he does for the business, where would your allegiance lie?

First and foremost the easy answer to why C.M. Punk is not a good idea to be the face of your company is because the guy isn't over. While he has his cliques and small groups of indie lovers, he isn't mainstream over with the general population of Pro Wrestling lovers.

I hear people ranting on how the "I.W.C." hates him, and this and that. Hey, I don't and never have hated the guy. I respect anyone in this business because it's tough. But that doesn't mean I have to "like" the guy, or want him at the top. I'm one person, you're one person, we don't make decisions solely.

If you wish to go deeper into why Punk is a bad idea, then here it is..

C.M. Punk isn't just a "Straight-Edge" Superstar, he isn't just open about it, but he's almost cocky to the point of acting better than anyone who does drink, smoke, do drugs or anything of the sort. So why the fuck would you want a cocky little prick, who doesn't have a great size, being the figure head of your billion dollar industry where size & attitude are main factors?

We, especially as American's, definately don't want some smartassed little Punk (literally) to mouth off about how he's so great because he doesn't indulge in some of America's favor substances. Look how many people drink & smoke alone. Then look how many of them are Wrestling fans. That's like a direct slap to the face of everyone who's a fan already. It's an "I'm better than you, you need to quit that shit" type of reaction. It's the company saying we as current fans aren't good enough anymore, we're a "bad influence" and they want a different group of people now. A "cleaner" group of people.

It'll cost them more money than they'd make with a different type of audience who doesn't do those things. And here's the kicker.. Professional Wrestling, even before the steroid shit, was always an outcast among the general public. Only the original redneck fans were die-hards. Never did you hear Doctors, Lawyers, Police Officers, or Politicians going on about how great Hulk Hogan v. The Ultimate Warrior was. Or how amazing it was to be at Wrestlemania III. Never did you hear any of those types of career workers going on about how amazing Bruno Sammartino ever was. It's because people like that, generally don't have the time to watch this sport.. and those that do, likely feel embarassed to say it. (even before Steroids were an issue.)

Why? Because Professional Wrestling to the general "upper-edge" of society, has and will always be nothing but "fake". Regardless of who your "face of the company" is.

CM Punk is the WWE's workhorse right now. For me, he's the most valuable player of the Raw Brand right nwo. I can't recall a bad match from the guy over the last year. Sure, he might not have had great matches, but the guy never dogs it out in the ring. From King of the Ring runner up, to ECW champion, to Money in the Bank winner, to tag winner, to world champion, the guy is constantly on or around the titles, and does a good job with them.

Batista was constantly in the Smackdown World Heavyweight title picture too, along with The Great Khali and Kane for a while. Does that mean they'd deserve the chance to be the faces of the company? Fuck no.

Just because a guy is suddenly involved, or around title opportunities, doesn't make him better or great. It just means they've finally gotten around to testing the waters and seeing if he can go as a Champion. Thus far, his World Title reign was the worst failure since the X.F.L.

Punk is a very solid Wrestler, he can entertain and I'll give him that.. but in the mid-card division, as a sub-in Main Eventer, for multiple man matches. Not as the very top guy in the company.

And here's something else. Look at the Parent's in this world who don't allow their children to watch. Why? Because of the violence, because of the steroid issues, because of the adult-oriented nature of the programming?

So why do you believe, just because a guy like Punk would come out and say "I don't smoke, I don't drink & I don't do drugs" would you wildly assume they'll go.. "Oh, okay then, you can watch." It'll never happen, and I'll tell you why from a personal experience..

I don't smoke. I don't drink. I don't do drugs. But I do have long hair (like Punk) and what's more, Punk has tattoo's covering his body. That's virtually a fucking sin through most Parent's eyes these days. That means he's IN A GANG!

Males can't have long hair, it's against religion, the law, fuck all everything. (let's forget Jesus had long hair though - believe me, they HATE when you bring that up) And again, tattoo's through Parent's in this day and age most of the time signals to them that you're a bad seed.

Why do you think John Cena is the poster-child for the company? He's clean cut, he's tattoo-free, and he hasn't been involved in any type of news that states he does drugs, smokes or drinks.

So convince me again, why would the WWE ever want to turn Punk heel?

I would like to have hope.. I just did.

 

[Rusty]

I think people aren't too certain that CM Punk will turn heel, but rather they want him to be a heel. Mainly because smarks love heels and love his "indy work" which I have personally never seen before. But to me, CM Punk is actually one of my top 5 favourite wrestlers in the WWE today. He's consistant. Nobody can deny that. Also, when was the last bad match that Punk had? Yeah, I can't remember either. Like Shocky, I too think CM Punk is the future of the WWE, and I pointed this out a few months ago.

According to this very site, CM Punk had the most matches out of ANY other superstar in the WWE in 2008. That accomplishment speaks for itself. Sure, none of them were 5 star classics, but he rarely worked with a superb in ring worker anyway, so it wasn't expected of him to put on amazing matches. But not a single one of those matches were terrible. The guy has a unique look, he's not too big but not too small. His mic skills are underrated in my opinion, and his in ring ethic is hardly recognized by the IWC. As Shocky also mentioned, he's constantly around title belts, which is a good thing.

The guy has been with the company for 2 and a half years, yet he's held the World Tag Team Championship, the ECW Championship, the World Heavyweight Championship and possibly even the Intercontinental Champion in the near future. In a perfect world, I would have Punk face Cena for the World Title at Wrestlemania 25 or 26, but I can almost guarantee it won't happen. But it would be great if Cena put Punk over on the big stage. As mentioned previously in this thread, CM Punk is a great role model and should remain a babyface. He's straight edge, so he's perfect to use in the media as he's not one of those guys that rely's on drugs and steroids.

I think Punk works very well as a champion, and he works well as a babyface. Why turn a guy heel when he doesn't really need to because he's over already with the fans. The fans love him, he sells merchandise, he is a great performer and entertainer, and he's just a great asset to the company. I see comparisons between John Cena and CM Punk. Both are workhorses and don't get into any trouble. Both sell merchandise, both put on good matches and both are consistant. I seriously hope CM Punk main events Wrestlemania 26, as a babyface. CM Punk vs Triple H or Shawn Michaels would be great to boost him into the main event scene permanantly.

 

[klunderbunker]

Whoa whoa whoa. Punk over Cena? I might be the biggest Punk mark here and that's just not going to work. Not this year or next year. Punk is in the same spot that Orton was in around WM 21. He's coming off a world title reign that he wasn't ready for and is trying to find his spot. He simply isn't ready for the title yet. Also, there's almost no way that there could be a face vs. face match at Mania, and there's absolutely no way Cena goes heel anytime soon, not for a few years at least if WWE knows what they're doing and they do. Punk could be the person to help raise the IC belt back up and that's what he should be doing right now. In about 2 years he could be back up to the world title picture, but right now he's where he belongs: on top of the mid card with main event flashes in between.

 

[Shocky]

I don't understand this Punk isn't over, and Punk was a failure at being a champion angle. Fromt he best I can tell, the guy gets pretty damn good pops when he's out there, the live Audience loves the guy. His ratings as champion were higher then Jerichos. When that belt came off of Punk, those ratings plumetted. Now, John Cena's injury could have something to do with it, but the numbers show that Punk's title reign was fairly successful. It was never meant to be a long title reign, but moreso of a shock and awe title reign.

Punk isn't going out there pushing his lifestyle down anyones throats. If punk did become that type of person taht said he was better then you, and you took offense, then maybe that's something that person has too look in the mirror about. If CM Punk says he doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, and that bugs someone, I think the problem then lies in the person. That's exactly the type of person the WWE should be pushing at this point as a face, not as a cocky heel. Hell, Hogan made a living out of Training, Saying Your Prayers, and taking your vitamins.

The Tattoo and long hair thing is a bit cliche, and a bit dated at this point. The WWE has a roster of guys that have held the championship that had some sort of ink on them, and if not ink, long hair. Hell, the most over guy ever was Hulk Hogan, and be that as it may for his hair, what he had was still long blonde locks.

I'm not saying CM Punk should be the face of the company, but I am saying that a heel turn will serve no purpose for the WWE at this point. CM Punk is a valuable asset to the company. He's over with the crowd, believe it or not, the guy puts on solid matches, and the guy isn't going to let you down, cough Jeff Hardy. The guy is safe. And as far as being too smalll, I never knew 6'1:, 222 lbs is smalll

 

[Rusty]

Whoa whoa whoa. Punk over Cena? I might be the biggest Punk mark here and that's just not going to work. Not this year or next year. Punk is in the same spot that Orton was in around WM 21. He's coming off a world title reign that he wasn't ready for and is trying to find his spot. He simply isn't ready for the title yet. Also, there's almost no way that there could be a face vs. face match at Mania, and there's absolutely no way Cena goes heel anytime soon, not for a few years at least if WWE knows what they're doing and they do. Punk could be the person to help raise the IC belt back up and that's what he should be doing right now. In about 2 years he could be back up to the world title picture, but right now he's where he belongs: on top of the mid card with main event flashes in between.

I'm not saying right now Klunder. Maybe at Wrestlemania 26, then CM Punk might be ready to become a legitimate main eventer. What better way to put over Punk as a main eventer than by having Punk defeat Cena cleanly on the biggest stage of them all. If not Cena, then HBK or Triple H would be perfect the options to put Punk over. I say this because I'm personally sick of the same old guys main eventing pay per view, after pay per view. Triple H, Undertaker and Shawn Michaels instantly come to mind, but that's another topic for a different thread. If Punk doesn't get pushed by the end of next year, then I will lose great faith in the WWE bookers.

Punk is exactly where he belongs right now in the mid-card division, but Wrestlemania 26 is a long time away. And a Cena vs Punk match as a face vs face match could be interesting. I wouldn't expect Cena to get completely booed either. But since you put it that way, a CM Punk vs Shawn Michaels match at WrestleMania 26 would probably be better suit as a face vs heel Wrestlemania main event. That is, if the WWE can find a way to get HBK over as a proper heel.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I don't think there's any need to turn Punk heel, at least not for the forseeable future. Even though RAW needs another heel, Punk is over a face and his straightedge life is something that the WWE should market. He hasn't really had a bad match and can entertain the crowd very well.

Punk is fine where he is for now. He can win the Intercontinental Title and have a long reign with it to give it credibility it hasn't had in five or six years. Then he can jump into the main-event in the next couple of years because I don't see HBK or possibly Batista still there in 2011 or 2012.

 

[Joker ' Ferreira]

I'm not sure about this.

Well, CM Punk as well as his character is very heel-ish, the guy needs to criticize everyone else by saying that he is straight-edge.

In the other hand, they need to start CM Punk using his persona and even as a face start to work with heels that got caught by storyline or in reality in the WWE tests...

Why? Because they could make the other wrestlers seem to care about that and change that attitude and that he is a good publicity to WWE, even if its only storyline or an angle, media doesn't care if its real or storyline...

So, they need to use him and his character a lot more than they do right now, they almost care more about his ju-jitsu skills than him being straight-edge... I don't care if they do it by turning him or by attacking heels.

 

[RBH]

You know what? There are still many people in this world who are like CM Punk so I do not see why he would have to be a heel. Is it wrong to want to live a straight edge life like he does? He does not exactly try to force others to live like him. He does not say that others are wrong for not wanting to be like him. CM Punk is a good face. His title reign was bad because it was badly written. But he had a lot of support and I believe that he can generate a lot of support in a feud with an equally hated heel. It would not be smart to turn him heel.

 

[GameOver]

What better way to put over Punk as a main eventer than by having Punk defeat Cena cleanly on the biggest stage of them all. .

They tried that at WrestleMania 6 and it bit them in the ass lol
Anyone say Hogan the unbeatable merchandise machine vs The Ultimate Moron the upandcomer crowd favourite,

Saying that Cena should job to everyone lol. HAHAHAHAHA

Now the biggest superstars went heel and it pushed them to the main event eventually, look at The Rock he was a upandcomer that alot of people thought was a joke yet still had countless fans, then he went heel and what did it do for him? He went to main event status within a yr

CM Punk should stay face, i can't see him being a credible heel atm. Personally i like him as a IC title holder place in the WWE scheme of things, he's definately on that second tier. But WWE can work magic with anyone aslong as that person has the ability to run with it. Just look at Mick Foley lol

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I'm not saying right now.

Or ever.

Maybe at Wrestlemania 26

Or never.

then CM Punk might be ready to become a legitimate main eventer.

I'd find it very doubtful that the tragedy that is C.M. Punk would find his way back to being a "proper" Main Eventer, by WrestleMania 28, let alone a year from now.

What better way to put over Punk as a main eventer than by having Punk defeat Cena cleanly on the biggest stage of them all. If not Cena, then HBK or Triple H would be perfect the options to put Punk over.

Allow me to reply to this, but quoting a great man..

Michaels could put Punk over, I'd find that feasible. Triple H wouldn't and Cena shouldn't.

I say this because I'm personally sick of the same old guys main eventing pay per view, after pay per view. Triple H, Undertaker and Shawn Michaels instantly come to mind, but that's another topic for a different thread.

Damn those incredibly talented athletes and their bastardly ways of supporting the company and helping to keep it at the top through the previous several years.

Just curious though, when was the last time you seen Shawn Michaels Main Event any Pay per view.. in which he wasn't helping to put someone else over in? Let's just pull the fucker from every Pay per view.. that'll teach the unselfish prick.

If Punk doesn't get pushed by the end of next year, then I will lose great faith in the WWE bookers.

If Punk doesn't get pushed by the end of next year, I'll find not only new faith for the W.W.E. creative team.. but likely think about naming my next child after them.

Punk is exactly where he belongs right now in the mid-card division, but Wrestlemania 26 is a long time away.

Punk is exactly where he belongs.. for quite some time, if not ever. He's a great mid-card wrestler, who doesn't need to be attempting to carry an entire show on his shoulders. Last time he tried that, he broke poor Snitsky's nose.

And I bet WrestleMania 26, to the W.W.E. officials, is closer than you think. So close that within a matter of 3 more monthes, they'll begin advertising for it.

And a Cena vs Punk match as a face vs face match could be interesting.

Maybe headlining a Monday Night Raw. I'd go in for that. Especially if it were Champion v. Champion. The fact that Punk would be holding the Intercontinental Championship would make me slightly believe he wouldn't get squashed completely.

I wouldn't expect Cena to get completely booed either.

I'm just gonna say this bluntly..

If anyone boos John Cena, because he's wrestling C.M. Punk.. those individuals need chemically castrated, then shot.. in the ass, or leg, or whichever body part wouldn't kill you.. but hurt a whole hell of a lot.

But since you put it that way, a CM Punk vs Shawn Michaels match at WrestleMania 26 would probably be better suit as a face vs heel Wrestlemania main event.

Shawn Michaels against C.M. Punk would be a nice WrestleMania 26 match-up. But under 2 circumstances.

1. Shawn Michaels hasn't lost a step.
2. C.M. Punk has built himself a staircase.

Punk against Michaels is a match-up I'd definately be interested in seeing, but not as a Main Event either.

That is, if the WWE can find a way to get HBK over as a proper heel.

Becca's gonna shit bricks.

 

[Rusty]

Or ever.

Seriously dude, get over your hated for CM Punk. You've admitted he's got talent, but yet you consider him a mid-carder for life. It's not his fault he was terrible booked.

Or never.

*sigh*

I'd find it very doubtful that the tragedy that is C.M. Punk would find his way back to being a "proper" Main Eventer, by WrestleMania 28, let alone a year from now.

That is opinion based. I think otherwise.

Allow me to reply to this, but quoting a great man..

Triple H should though. He most likely wouldn't, but putting over Punk would benefit him greatly. As for Cena... well that's a tough one.

Damn those incredibly talented athletes and their bastardly ways of supporting the company and helping to keep it at the top through the previous several years.

Yeah, but who will be main eventing once they retire? You can't always rely on John Cena, Edge and Randy Orton. We need a variety of young main eventers. CM Punk could be one of those.

Just curious though, when was the last time you seen Shawn Michaels Main Event any Pay per view.. in which he wasn't helping to put someone else over in? Let's just pull the fucker from every Pay per view.. that'll teach the unselfish prick.

True, but he's still usually involved in the most important storyline on Raw. I mean, he isn't as bad as the other two I mentioned, but HBK is always in the spotlight at such an old age.

If Punk doesn't get pushed by the end of next year, I'll find not only new faith for the W.W.E. creative team.. but likely think about naming my next child after them.

Tell me Will, why exactly do you hate Punk so greatly?

Punk is exactly where he belongs.. for quite some time, if not ever. He's a great mid-card wrestler, who doesn't need to be attempting to carry an entire show on his shoulders. Last time he tried that, he broke poor Snitsky's nose.

He wasn't ready in 2008, and even the WWE knew that. It didn't help matters when he was booked terribly. But give it 2 years, things might change Will. I can only see improvement in Punk's future. As for now though, he's definately in the right spot and deserves the Intercontinental Title over that smark darling who's done nothing of importance for a long time, William Regal.

And I bet WrestleMania 26, to the W.W.E. officials, is closer than you think. So close that within a matter of 3 more monthes, they'll begin advertising for it.

15 months away from now Will. Cena and Batista were pushed within 3 years of their debut. Punk debuted in 2006 and Wrestlemania 26 is in 2010, meaning he would have been with the company for almost 4 years by that time. So why can't be main event Wrestlemania next year provided he's ready for it?

Maybe headlining a Monday Night Raw. I'd go in for that. Especially if it were Champion v. Champion. The fact that Punk would be holding the Intercontinental Championship would make me slightly believe he wouldn't get squashed completely.

They shouldn't waste a match like that on free TV. Knowing the WWE though, they probably will.

I'm just gonna say this bluntly..

If anyone boos John Cena, because he's wrestling C.M. Punk.. those individuals need chemically castrated, then shot.. in the ass, or leg, or whichever body part wouldn't kill you.. but hurt a whole hell of a lot.

It would be interesting to see who the fans would cheer for. I'm going with Cena though.

Shawn Michaels against C.M. Punk would be a nice WrestleMania 26 match-up. But under 2 circumstances.

1. Shawn Michaels hasn't lost a step.
2. C.M. Punk has built himself a staircase.

Punk against Michaels is a match-up I'd definately be interested in seeing, but not as a Main Event either.

You act like Punk is a jobber who is nowhere near main event level. The guy is decent in the ring and on the mic. He has a great gimmick and is a great asset to the company. If Shawn can wrestle Vince McMahon at Wrestlemania, I'm damn sure he can wrestle CM Punk at the big stage.

Becca's gonna shit bricks.

Shhh, she doesn't have to know

 

[Tim]

People aren't certain that Punk is oing to turn heel. They want him to turn heel, as in their opinion it would freshen things up a bit. Just like they want all the faces to turn heel and vice versa. While I think Punk could work as a heel, he works much better as a face with the straightedge gimmick. And if they want to turn Punk heel, they should wait a bit, as there is no reason Punk should turn heel right now. He's in the IC title chase right now, against a heel champion. And the WWE wouldn't have heel vs heel, so he'd have to radnomly drop out of the IC title picture and turn heel for no good reason. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

 

[justinsayne]

Good God Will, you blind hatred for Punk absolutly astounds me, the guy is going to be part of the future of WWE's ME scene, just accpet it, guys like Punk, Kennedy (assuming he can stay healthy), & MVP are the guys they should be looking to build the compnay around for when guys like Taker, HBK, and Triple H finally get the fuck out, HBK really hasn't done anything worth a shit in the past few years, sure he had that long drawn out boring ass feud with Jericho that the IWC seemed to love so much, but outside of that what has he done, nothing, Taker last good series of matches were with his feud with Edge and La Familia, in fact those and possibly his WM 23 match with Batista are pretty much the only good matches he's had in the past 5 years, Triple H... fuck it lets not waste time on that and turn this into another thread about that, the bottom line is Punk is going to be a big part of the future of the company wether you like it or not, they would be fucking stupid to try and push a guy like Regal or some other old fart now, Punk does not come across as a cocky little shit that tries to shove his lifestyle down peoples throats, he comes acroos as the perfic the role model for the kids that are in WWE TARGET FAN BASE, you know the ones that they decided to go after and the reason they opted to go for a more PG rated product instead, it only makes sense for WWE to push a guy with a straight edge lifestyle when your product is being watch so heavily by the media and congress just waiting for more shit to throw out there since this whole steroid shit hit, if WWE was going to turn one of their top faces heel wouldn't be the drug abusing Jeff Hardy?, turning Punk heel now would make about as much sense as turning Hogan heel during his Hulkamania days in the early 80s (and yes I realize Punk isn't anywhere close to being as over as Hogan)

 

[justinsayne]

Sorry it seems 'i didn't give good reasoning to my last post'

I THINK CM PUNK WILL TURN HEEL BECAUSE HE WAS A GREAT HEEL IN ROH AND HE HASN'T BEEN A HEEL YET SO I'M QUITE SURE HE WILL TURN HEEL SOON ENOUGH.

good enough reasoning?

But why would you want to portray the image to kids that not doing drugs, alcohol, etc. as a bad thing?, that makes absolutely no sense what so ever, not to mention just cause he was a great heel in ROH doesn't mean that he'll do the same in WWE, keep in mind WWE and ROH put out completely different products for completely different types of wrestling fans

 

[Father:_Polley]

I think the main reason people are certain he is going heel is because he isn't cutting it as a face and the ultimate reasoning in the fans mind is that if he doesn't work as a face, the only course of action to be taken isn't to try to make him better as a face, it's to turn him heel. The downside is that Punk's over at the minute and it's gonna be pretty hard to actually turn him heel, otherwise he'll just be a cheered heel which doesn't actually work.

 

[Shocky]

I think the main reason people are certain he is going heel is because he isn't cutting it as a face and the ultimate reasoning in the fans mind is that if he doesn't work as a face, the only course of action to be taken isn't to try to make him better as a face, it's to turn him heel. The downside is that Punk's over at the minute and it's gonna be pretty hard to actually turn him heel, otherwise he'll just be a cheered heel which doesn't actually work.

He's over, but not cutting it as a face??? I'm confused by that.

I think he's cutting it as a face just fine. As I've said already, in the last year he's had the ECW championship, he won Money in the Bank, he finished second in the King of the Ring, he won the World Heavyweight Championship, won the tag team championship, and is on the verge, or appears to be, of winning the Intercontinental Championship.

If the guy wasn't over, the guy wouldn't be any where around one title, let alone winning 3 titles, on the verge of a fourth, finishing second in a WWE Gimmick event,a nd winning another. The guy is over just fine, and is making it as a face just fine.