Who is better in the ring: Cena or Edge?

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Ummm with the quote you put on this comment and the comment you made, you just contradicted yourself. I could tell you meant to say "so edge is beter in the ring cause he is capable of doing high risk maneuvers" and if you weren't being sarcastic you'd be right. Edge isn't just better because he can do high risk moves, he's better because, quite simply he does everything better then Cena excpet cut a promo. And yes Shelton Benjamin IS better in the ring then Cena to.

I did mean Edge and what all can he do in the ring that is better than Cena? Can he get a crowd involved in the match better than Cena because I don't believe he can. Cena has proven time and time again that he is better than Edge and nothing is going to change my mind. Cena's storytelling and ring psychology are better than Edge's and he gets a reaction out of the crowd when he wrestles better than Edge.

Shelton is nowhere near better in the ring than Cena is. He has been improving these past few months but he has a very long way to go before he can reach Cena.

 

[VKO]

Edge hasn't used the Edgecator for long and the majority of his career he has used the spear as his finisher. You talk about Edge adapting to multiple opponents when Cena has done the same thing and done it better. Cena has had great matches with big guys and small guys, aerial guys and power guys. Cena is still the "go-to" guy of the company and Edge has only been that on Smackdown.

Edge has had many good matches with people of different sizes and styles as well. He has had good matches with Undertaker,Jeff Hardy,Randy Orton,Kane,Matt hardy etc. All different sizes and styles of wrestler. Edge has been the go to guy on Smackdown for the last few years but he carried the feud with Cena in 2006 while Edge was on Raw. Cena hasn't been on Smackdown for almost five years now and he was the top guy on that brand for like a month. If anything Edge has been the guy for the entire WWE while Cena has just been the top guy on Raw.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Edge has had many good matches with people of different sizes and styles as well. He has had good matches with Undertaker,Jeff Hardy,Randy Orton,Kane,Matt hardy etc. All different sizes and styles of wrestler. Edge has been the go to guy on Smackdown for the last few years but he carried the feud with Cena in 2006 while Edge was on Raw. Cena hasn't been on Smackdown for almost five years now and he was the top guy on that brand for like a month. If anything Edge has been the guy for the entire WWE while Cena has just been the top guy on Raw.

If it wasn't for Cena, who knows if Edge would have been a main eventer. Edge flopped against Matt Hardy and it wasn't until he faced Cena that Edge stepped up his game a little bit. In 2007, Edge did help Smackdown but I'm sure Batista and Taker had a little to do with it and Cena carried RAW with his title reign when Orton and HBK weren't doing anything and HHH was injured.

I've already explained why I believe Cena is better than Edge in the ring. I don't feel the need to restate my posts when you can go back and look at them.

 

[X]

If it wasn't for Cena, who knows if Edge would have been a main eventer.

Are you kidding? Edge was CLEARLY on his way to main event status as early as 2002. Why the hell do you think he was pushed to the moon? Because he had become one of the best wrestlers on the roster at the time. When he was a face he was getting massive pops, and when he pulled out the Rated R gimmick he was getting serious heat. Edge made himself into a main eventer, it just so happened that one of his first major feuds as a main eventer was with Cena. Edge is over because of his talent, not because he faced Cena. In fact Edge pretty much single-handedly made that feud interesting, so I'm not sure what you're talking about here.

Edge flopped against Matt Hardy and it wasn't until he faced Cena that Edge stepped up his game a little bit.

That is just so incredibly wrong as well. He flopped against Matt Hardy? Huh? How the hell do you define "flop" Jerry? Their feud was RED HOT and was a highlight of that year, they had a few very very good matches as well. That feud was one of the highlights of the decade, how the hell did he flop?

In 2007, Edge did help Smackdown but I'm sure Batista and Taker had a little to do with it and Cena carried RAW with his title reign when Orton and HBK weren't doing anything and HHH was injured.

Edge was helping out Smackdown long before 2007, he was one of the major stars on that show since the brand split. Have you forgotten the Smackdown Six already?

 

[Father:_Polley]

You know, I've read this thread and saw reason after reason being 'edge because Cena only knows 5 (or 6) moves.

And it's bull...

Watch an Edge match, it's all either a gimmick or spears all round. Edge uses a limited moveset as well, but I guess the Cena hatred means people don't actually notice that.

To really throw this into light, lets pick on Kane. A man who has a few boots, punches, clotheslines and slams to his name other than his finisher, right? It must be, that's all he uses.

Now, if I were to go on youtube and type in Kane hurricanrara, I'd find a time he did one vs Albert on SD! Dare I say it... I'd even find a Big Show missile drop kick if i looked hard enough.

So stop the bull about Cena knowing 6 moves because I can guarantee he knows more moves than he does. Same with every wrestler in the industry. They use the moves that fit the gimmick, and Cena is a brawler... it doesn't fit for him to perform judo hiptosses, or Mui-thai kicks.

As for who's better in the ring, they're both damn good at what they do, and entertain in the ring. It's down to preference

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Are you kidding? Edge was CLEARLY on his way to main event status as early as 2002. Why the hell do you think he was pushed to the moon? Because he had become one of the best wrestlers on the roster at the time. When he was a face he was getting massive pops, and when he pulled out the Rated R gimmick he was getting serious heat. Edge made himself into a main eventer, it just so happened that one of his first major feuds as a main eventer was with Cena. Edge is over because of his talent, not because he faced Cena. In fact Edge pretty much single-handedly made that feud interesting, so I'm not sure what you're talking about here.



That is just so incredibly wrong as well. He flopped against Matt Hardy? Huh? How the hell do you define "flop" Jerry? Their feud was RED HOT and was a highlight of that year, they had a few very very good matches as well. That feud was one of the highlights of the decade, how the hell did he flop?



Edge was helping out Smackdown long before 2007, he was one of the major stars on that show since the brand split. Have you forgotten the Smackdown Six already?

1. If he had the potential in 2002, then why wasn't he pushed to the main event when he returned in 2004. I suppose injuries prevented him from that but I still don't think he was ready. He was stuck in secondary feuds until Matt Hardy and Cena. His feud with Kane was very lackluster and could have been a lot better. I'm sure Cena had something to do with the feud being interesting and it wasn't only just Edge.

2. His feud with Hardy was only a couple of months ago and after that feud I don't remember him doing anything until he cashed in the MITB. I don't know if he was injured or not doing then.

3. Edge did help a little in 2002 but I don't know how much. He did have a good feud with Angle but with Rock and Hogan around, it was hard to stand out but he did his best. If he hadn't got injured in 2003, I believe he would have been lost in the shuffle because Cena was coming along and you had Undertaker, Lesnar, Angle, Guerrero, and Benoit all on Smackdown. He would have been beneficial on RAW to combat HHH but we will never know.

 

[Spaceman Spif]

Edge is a lot better than John Cena is about every he can be in the ring. He has the experience factor, he's done it all, seen it all and damn near been a part of it all. He wrestling ability surpasses Cena's by a substantial margin. Cena does indeed know more than five moves, but Edge's moveset goes a lot deeper if he chooses to use it.

His ring physcology is better than Cena's, Edge is far more believable in the ring and more often than not, can tell a lot better story that Cena can in the ring. Edge is good on the mic, but he doesn't need it, you know what he's thinking and wanting to say by his actions in the ring.

He's also a better ring general, I've heard Edge calls most of his matches because he is so damn good at it. He is also more fluid in transitions, his matches seem to flow right along. He also can bring good matches out of pratically anyone he faces, where as Cena can't, if Cena has a weak opponent, Cena can't make him look good, Edge can. So Edge is better in the ring in my opinion, hands down.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Edge is a lot better than John Cena is about every he can be in the ring. He has the experience factor, he's done it all, seen it all and damn near been a part of it all. He wrestling ability surpasses Cena's by a substantial margin. Cena does indeed know more than five moves, but Edge's moveset goes a lot deeper if he chooses to use it.

His ring physcology is better than Cena's, Edge is far more believable in the ring and more often than not, can tell a lot better story that Cena can in the ring. Edge is good on the mic, but he doesn't need it, you know what he's thinking and wanting to say by his actions in the ring.

He's also a better ring general, I've heard Edge calls most of his matches because he is so damn good at it. He is also more fluid in transitions, his matches seem to flow right along. He also can bring good matches out of pratically anyone he faces, where as Cena can't, if Cena has a weak opponent, Cena can't make him look good, Edge can. So Edge is better in the ring in my opinion, hands down.

1. He's only been in the ring four years longer than Cena so I don't know if the experience thing is a factor. Explain how Edge's moveset is so much different than Cena because that is simply not true. Edge does about the same number of moves every match that Cena does.

2. Cena has great ring psychology. He has been the underdog, the dominant one, the evil one, and the good one throughout his career. He has done great against power guys, athletic guys, quick guys, and big guys. Has Edge ever had a great match against somebody like a Khali or an Umaga? Cena has made Khali, Umaga, and Lashley look great. Who has Edge made look great?

Nice attempt.

 

[Paradox]

Matt, I love you bro, but I have to disagree... Edge is good, he's one of the best, but over the last two years Cena has become better.

Edge is a lot better than John Cena is about every he can be in the ring. He has the experience factor, he's done it all, seen it all and damn near been a part of it all. He wrestling ability surpasses Cena's by a substantial margin. Cena does indeed know more than five moves, but Edge's moveset goes a lot deeper if he chooses to use it.

If you believe Cena doesn't have a deep moveset then you're mistaken. He is a brawler, but he has decent size moveset. He's just not able to show it. Same with Edge. If he has all this experience, then why didn't he rise to the top when he returned, like LJL has said. That wrestling gap has closed. While Cena might not be the best in the world. He is extremely good. Better then the majority of the roster. Edge's matches were becoming boring. Yes, Cena's are as well, but unlike Edge. Cena has been able to pull off some great matches in the past two years. Edge's only good matches were in 08 with 'Taker.( Yes I know he was injured for the majority of this year, but he still didn't have any great matches beginning of the year, and the last part of last year.)

His ring physcology is better than Cena's, Edge is far more believable in the ring and more often than not, can tell a lot better story that Cena can in the ring. Edge is good on the mic, but he doesn't need it, you know what he's thinking and wanting to say by his actions in the ring.

How so? Cena has always had good psychology in the ring. Much more so than Edge. Cena always gives us an interesting match, and is able to do more in a smaller bit of time than Edge is. He has been able to give us good matches for four years with the same method. Edge hasn't. Look back at his matches with Umaga and Khali. He pulled gems out of those matches by the way he told the story in the ring. Same can be said with his matches against Orton, Edge, and Michaels.

He's also a better ring general, I've heard Edge calls most of his matches because he is so damn good at it. He is also more fluid in transitions, his matches seem to flow right along. He also can bring good matches out of pratically anyone he faces, where as Cena can't, if Cena has a weak opponent, Cena can't make him look good, Edge can. So Edge is better in the ring in my opinion, hands down.

I'll give you the fact that his transitions are better. However, that's all. Cena is far and away better. Cena can make anyone look good. Look at what he did with the Miz. He made him into what he is today. Khali had his best match with Cena. Swagger was made to look golden in his match again against him.

Let me pose another question. Why is that Edge has only had good feuds and matches with men that are better than him? His feud with Kane? Lackluster, and Edge is better in the ring than Kane. His feud with Hardy was phenomenal, why? Because Hardy is great in the ring. Then his feud with with Cena. Great, both did amazing. Then where did he go? No where. His matches with Batista weren't good. Then he gave the belt up. It wasn't until he started feuding with 'Taker that his matches became great again. Then after that, nothing.

 

[X]

1. If he had the potential in 2002, then why wasn't he pushed to the main event when he returned in 2004.

Because the main event scene was so crowded man. In 2002 alone let's take a peek at the roster of the WWE: Stone Cold, The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Brock Lesnar, Kevin Nash, Booker T, Rob Van Dam, shit man I could go on and on and on. The roster was STACKED during the early part of this past decade. There really just wasn't any room for Edge yet, but you can tell that the WWE was slowly pushing him as a future maineventer from the summer of 2001. That's why they split he and Christian up.

I suppose injuries prevented him from that but I still don't think he was ready. He was stuck in secondary feuds until Matt Hardy and Cena. His feud with Kane was very lackluster and could have been a lot better. I'm sure Cena had something to do with the feud being interesting and it wasn't only just Edge./quote]

Like I said before, the roster was just stacked at that point, there was no room for Edge yet. They took his rising slowly, just like the careers of Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart took several years before breaking into the main event.

2. His feud with Hardy was only a couple of months ago and after that feud I don't remember him doing anything until he cashed in the MITB. I don't know if he was injured or not doing then.

Oh you're talking about their recent feud? I agree that was rather lackluster, I was talking about their feud back in 2005 with the whole real-life Lita angle. That was a great feud that produced some very solid matches.

3. Edge did help a little in 2002 but I don't know how much. He did have a good feud with Angle but with Rock and Hogan around, it was hard to stand out but he did his best. If he hadn't got injured in 2003, I believe he would have been lost in the shuffle because Cena was coming along and you had Undertaker, Lesnar, Angle, Guerrero, and Benoit all on Smackdown. He would have been beneficial on RAW to combat HHH but we will never know.

Edge definitely helped out. Like I said, he wasn't quite main-event level ready yet, but every show needs a solid midcard Jerry, and Edge helped provide that. The Smackdown Six produced some of the best damn wrestling the WWE had seen in years and years, and Edge was an important part of that group.

Cena is a good wrestler, but I still don't think he's as good as Edge is in the ring. Edge has regressed a bit in the last few years, but he still has the talent in the ring and is still capable of showing it to us I firmly believe. Great wrestlers don't ever truly lose that ability in the ring.

 

[Kanye South]

John Cena is better in the ring than Edge. Period. Cena got decent matches out of The Great Khali, Bobby Lashley, and Big Show, not to mention having a great series of matches with Umaga. Cena can make a great match out of damn near anyone. Edge can...spear? John Cena has had WrestleMania classics with Shawn Michaels, Triple H, and the like. John Cena's habit of rarely losing makes you wonder in all of his matches if he's gonna lose or win. Edge is superb in the ring, no doubt, but John Cena excels him in every way. Cena can fight quick opponents, high-flying opponents, submission based opponents, super heavyweight monster opponents, etc. John Cena can fight just about any type of opponent and make a decent match.

 

[maar130]

Edge has had way more great matches than Cena by far, Cena Vs HBK was a classic alright, but Cena VS HHH was nowhere near a classic at all, the match of the night at Wretlemania 22 belonged to, guess who? Edge and Mick Foley. And Cena Vs Khali or The Big Show has been nothing but crap, only two persons has been able to get a good match out of Khali, Taker and HHH. Edge has made look great to a lot of guys included a young Randy Orton, Cena when everyone though he could not have a good match or a guy that you hated more, then Edge entered the picture, also a broken Ric Flair, RVD, Matt Hardy on a cage and ladder match. Edge did of Cena what HHH and Kurt couldn't a guy to be cheered.

Cena's Match with Lashley was average at best, his last series of matches with the Big Show were a joke and this year only had three very good matches last year, Iron man VS Randy, Triple treath VS HHH and HBK (because it was freaking HBK and HHH, you can't go wrong with that) and His Last man standing VS guess who? Edge.

Edge besides that even if he is injured right now in this year has had very nice matches to VS Hardy, Vs Punk, Vs Morrison and that is on last year alone. Yes the move he uses the more is the spear but at least it looks way more lethal than that the glorified AA.

Cena might be the poster boy of the WWE but Edge is always the Go-to guy when the WWE want to put on a decent show, because he always delivers and proof of that is that the guy is a 9 time World Chamion, even if they don't trust him as champion theyhad no chice but to make him champion for every poster boy to face him and get cheered.

Proof?-Cena, Hardy, Punk.

 

[kobrad]

EDGE EDGE EDGE!!!!

Seriously Edge has so much more skill, the sad thing is cena had skill before he turned into Vince's babyface! I honestly think that Vince had a hand in Cena losing some of his wrestling luster. If you look at the match he had against Kurt Angle in his debut Cena actually wrestled a good match and form that point on he had some good matches until his run on Raw. When Vince had him go to Raw that is when Cena really lost his wrestling, and gained his 5 moves of doom.

But Edge is way better because no matter how high he is on the card, no matter what show he is on, he will wrestle and not do just punches and then 5 moves of doom. Edge actually wrestles folks and taht is a fact

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Edge has had way more great matches than Cena by far, Cena Vs HBK was a classic alright, but Cena VS HHH was nowhere near a classic at all, the match of the night at Wretlemania 22 belonged to, guess who? Edge and Mick Foley. And Cena Vs Khali or The Big Show has been nothing but crap, only two persons has been able to get a good match out of Khali, Taker and HHH. Edge has made look great to a lot of guys included a young Randy Orton, Cena when everyone though he could not have a good match or a guy that you hated more, then Edge entered the picture, also a broken Ric Flair, RVD, Matt Hardy on a cage and ladder match. Edge did of Cena what HHH and Kurt couldn't a guy to be cheered.

Cena's Match with Lashley was average at best, his last series of matches with the Big Show were a joke and this year only had three very good matches last year, Iron man VS Randy, Triple treath VS HHH and HBK (because it was freaking HBK and HHH, you can't go wrong with that) and His Last man standing VS guess who? Edge.

Edge besides that even if he is injured right now in this year has had very nice matches to VS Hardy, Vs Punk, Vs Morrison and that is on last year alone. Yes the move he uses the more is the spear but at least it looks way more lethal than that the glorified AA.

Cena might be the poster boy of the WWE but Edge is always the Go-to guy when the WWE want to put on a decent show, because he always delivers and proof of that is that the guy is a 9 time World Chamion, even if they don't trust him as champion theyhad no chice but to make him champion for every poster boy to face him and get cheered.

Proof?-Cena, Hardy, Punk.

1. Where are all these great Edge matches he has put on the past three or four years? You must mean those average Undertaker and Batista matches. How about that lackluster match against HHH in 2008?

2. Orton got the rub off of Mick Foley before Edge got to him so you can't say it was all about Edge. RVD has had plenty of spectacular matches before Edge got to him and don't get me started on Matt Hardy. The last good Flair match was in the mid-90's and his match was Edge sure wasn't that.

3. Cena has had great matches against HHH, HBK, Orton, Lashley, Khali, Umaga, and your boy Edge. Edge's best matches may be against Cena but Cena's best matches are certainly not against Edge. And you want to talk about the Attitude Adjustment when Edge uses the weakest spear in history. Only Rhyno and Goldberg should do the spear and Edge should stay away from it as far as possible.

4. Is there proof that Edge is a great champion because I haven't it. Most of his reigns he has won the title and lost it the next pay-per-view. Wow that is the indication of a great champion. Is Edge the huge draw everybody thinks he is? I'm sure more people wanted to see Batista, Undertaker, or Cena rather than Edge whenever they fought. Edge is a horrible champion and that is my opinion.

EDGE EDGE EDGE!!!!

Seriously Edge has so much more skill, the sad thing is cena had skill before he turned into Vince's babyface! I honestly think that Vince had a hand in Cena losing some of his wrestling luster. If you look at the match he had against Kurt Angle in his debut Cena actually wrestled a good match and form that point on he had some good matches until his run on Raw. When Vince had him go to Raw that is when Cena really lost his wrestling, and gained his 5 moves of doom.

But Edge is way better because no matter how high he is on the card, no matter what show he is on, he will wrestle and not do just punches and then 5 moves of doom. Edge actually wrestles folks and taht is a fact

That is one sad and pathetic post. First of all, mostly all of the wrestler's movesets are limited so what you get out there isn't exactly all that they know. Second, saying Edge is better because of Cena's moveset is ignorant and truly disappointing. Cena does more moves than punches and his "5 moves of doom" and for the 100000th time, it does not matter how many moves you do. It's how you do them that really matters.

 

[gully side adidja]

To compare edge to cena with in-ring ability is a no brainer. edge tells better stories than cena,wrestles better than cena, ismore unpredictable than cena, better acting than cena(12 rounds suck)and more fluid than cena, and gets the crowd more excited on the edge of there seat than cena , hah!

 

[maar130]

1. Where are all these great Edge matches he has put on the past three or four years? You must mean those average Undertaker and Batista matches. How about that lackluster match against HHH in 2008?

Are we really getting into this? because if his matches with The Undertaker were average, including Hell in a Cell, which was one of the best matches of the year, or His ladder match with Jeff Hardy or his Smackdown match with CM punk, were average Cena was Mediocre at best.

Don't give me that crap, Cena in the last year has had way more mediocre matches than Edge in years combined and a lot of them were in his "best rivalry" with Orton. Cena's best Rival was Edge, because he made Cena look alive, Thing that none other guy can seem to acomplish. And if Edge match with HHH was bad why don't you watch Cena's match with HHH at Mania 22? because that one was Medicre at best.

2. Orton got the rub off of Mick Foley before Edge got to him so you can't say it was all about Edge. RVD has had plenty of spectacular matches before Edge got to him and don't get me started on Matt Hardy. The last good Flair match was in the mid-90's and his match was Edge sure wasn't that.?

Edge actually didn't needed the rub from Foley, Foley was already a retired Harcore guy and they tore down the house that was leaded by HHH VS Cena and could not live up to the standard of that match. Orton's match with Foley help Orton to become something, Edge was already the Master of The Ladder match and the only reason he didn't got a nice push in 2003 was because he go his neck broken. 2004 was the year of Benoit and Eddie Guerrero, both reigns which ended abruptly for some backtage plays against them and Edge every angle was scrapped because of the plan to make Orton the youngest Champion of all time to take Brock off the Books and to have JBL as a champion and see how far it could go.

If you didn't watched Edge first Title defense against Flair that is your problem, but it was a good match and Flair even thanked Edge to made him look like a million bucks when he was inducted to the HOF. Also mid-90s? Didn't you watched Flair's match with The Undertaker at Wrestlemania X-8? or His Cage match with HHH at Cyber Sunday in 2005? Seriously if you thing Flair has had mediocre matches since the 90s then Cena has only had 3 or 4 good matches in his entire career.

3. Cena has had great matches against HHH, HBK, Orton, Lashley, Khali, Umaga, and your boy Edge. Edge's best matches may be against Cena but Cena's best matches are certainly not against Edge. And you want to talk about the Attitude Adjustment when Edge uses the weakest spear in history. Only Rhyno and Goldberg should do the spear and Edge should stay away from it as far as possible.

HHH? Seriously? Probably only the last one on Raw because at PPV both were really average, doesn't matter how many times you hit your finisher.

Lashley? For real? The only time I have heard a crowd boo both guys in the main event from start to finish. Not even when Kurt Faced HHH at the Royal rumble of 2001, and both guys were heels.

Khali? man those 3 matches sucked big time, FU...sorry AA from the stage does not make the match a good match and the day he made Khali tpped to the STF was the crappiest finish ever, even more sobecause Khali's foot was under the rope because he is so damd big that anywhere near the ropes he was safe.

Umaga. well the second one was good, the first one sucked, though.

Orton? well only two good matches in two years of rivalry, The Iron Man and the I quit Match, all the others were medicore at best, and none the less Cena called it "the rivalry" of the WWE, Well "the rivalry" of the year was CM Punk VS Jeff Hardy, that one was interesting.

Edge, well that was my point, and Edge's best matches has not been with Cena, Edge has made him look good but Edge has plety more memorable matches than Cena, even when He was a Mid-carter, His Intercontinental Match with Christian, His matches with Kurt Angle, with Eddie Guerrero, on tag teams with the Hardys, He got a good match with The Rock at Smackdown once too, His matches with Rey Mysterio when Rey was not Injured, they guy has plenty of matches, and if you watched The DVD package they put together for Him, , 3 DVDs does not make him justice. Cannot say he is the Best of all time, but the guy is very good and way better than Cena.

4. Is there proof that Edge is a great champion because I haven't it. Most of his reigns he has won the title and lost it the next pay-per-view. Wow that is the indication of a great champion. Is Edge the huge draw everybody thinks he is? I'm sure more people wanted to see Batista, Undertaker, or Cena rather than Edge whenever they fought. Edge is a horrible champion and that is my opinion.

Has not being given the chance to be a long time champion, eventhough he got the Rattings up everytime he got the Belt. The fucntion of Edge as a Heel is that people want to see him get his ass Kicked by anyone, because he is the bad guy.Everytime Cena got the title from him people booed Cena. Did you watched Their Match at Summerslam 2006? It was at Cena's hometown and When Edge beat Cena by cheating the people when nuts for Edge, they were not booing, they were cheering because they saw what you are not willing to do, that Edge is better than Cena.

Outside of his first reign how long have Cena lasted as Champion? I mean his first title reing was a lengthy one but it was finished because it was starting to drag, Edge got the title and while it was not meant to last (being his first reing and the Main event Planned as Cena VS HHH), it refreshed Cena and allowed him to get momentum against HHH, which would not had happened if Edge wouldn't take the title from him. From there please tell me a Cena title reing that has lasted more than 5 months, his last 3 reigns (out of 7) haven´t lasted more than a month and the one before that lasted 3 moths.

Like I said before, Edge is is not a wrestling God but he is the WWE "guy to go" when they wan to make something interesting. Randy was in downward spiral to midcard and DX was losing momentum in late 2006 and what happened? why not insert the guy people really hate (EDGE) and pair him with Orton and make them Rivals with DX? Rated RKO was brought to push 3 guys and one was the work horse and that was Edge. It didn't lasted long but it ended with a great match Between Edge and Orton on raw the Next week that HBK VS Cena in England, yes it was not as good but for the time they were given it was pretty damn cool.

So don't give me the thing about the spear because if we go to bad looking moves the AA sucks and His STF is not the best one by far, Female Wrestler Jazz' STF would make Cena feel ashamed of the way he locks that move.

 

[Spaceman Spif]

1. He's only been in the ring four years longer than Cena so I don't know if the experience thing is a factor. Explain how Edge's moveset is so much different than Cena because that is simply not true. Edge does about the same number of moves every match that Cena does.

No, just no, Edge started wrestling in 1992, Cena started in 2000, that's eight years and it gives Edge so much more experience, so yes it is a factor. It doesn't matter how many moves they do a match, all wrestlers perform a handful of moves during a match we all know that, but by and by watch past Edge matches and past Cean matches, from way back in the day and you'll see Edge has a far deeper arsanel that eh can choose from, Edge has more technical moves than Cena, more extreme moves that Cena, more high flying moves even, more creative move, more moves, so yeah Edge can out wrestle Cena hands down.

2. Cena has great ring psychology. He has been the underdog, the dominant one, the evil one, and the good one throughout his career. He has done great against power guys, athletic guys, quick guys, and big guys. Has Edge ever had a great match against somebody like a Khali or an Umaga? Cena has made Khali, Umaga, and Lashley look great. Who has Edge made look great?

Cena has been a modernized copy of Hulk Hogan, don't get me wrong, I do love Cena, but he's Hogan 2.0. Yes he's better than Hogan, but still he's almost manufactured, where as Edge is fairly orignal, granted he does have some traits other wrestlers before him had, but by and by he's less a copy of any one wrestler than Cena is. Cena has done great against certain guys, when they are great. Cena has not had a good match with Khali, there is no good match with Khali. Has he had good matches with Umaga and Lashley? Hell yes he has, because those two are amazing talents in their own rights. Edge has been making wrestlers look good for a long time. He's carried his fair share of matches and then some. Cena gets carried.

However I will give you Edge has lost some of his skill, but the poor bastard is beat up and has been doing this damn near 18 years already, that's a long time. He's not gonna be the best he once was, that's over with, however he is still better than Cena. Cena is a great talent, but he was a manufactured talent that came in at the right time to make it, don't get me wrong, that's awesome, however Edge has fought and clawed his way to make it the top and his accomplishments speak far more louder for him than Cena's do.

Nice attempt.

Same to you LJL.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Are we really getting into this? because if his matches with The Undertaker were average, including Hell in a Cell, which was one of the best matches of the year, or His ladder match with Jeff Hardy or his Smackdown match with CM punk, were average Cena was Mediocre at best.

Don't give me that crap, Cena in the last year has had way more mediocre matches than Edge in years combined and a lot of them were in his "best rivalry" with Orton. Cena's best Rival was Edge, because he made Cena look alive, Thing that none other guy can seem to acomplish. And if Edge match with HHH was bad why don't you watch Cena's match with HHH at Mania 22? because that one was Medicre at best.

That Hell in a Cell was one of the worst ones I've ever seen and Hardy/Punk was ten times better than Edge/Hardy. Edge and Cena have had plenty of mediocre matches over the years and I would say Rey Mysterio has had the best matches these last couple of years but he is not the discussion. Cena/HHH told the story of the veteran trying to show the "rookie" up by outwrestling him and ending up tapping out. What story did Edge/HHH tell? I would say it was unfair for Edge but I'm not going that far.

Edge actually didn't needed the rub from Foley, Foley was already a retired Harcore guy and they tore down the house that was leaded by HHH VS Cena and could not live up to the standard of that match. Orton's match with Foley help Orton to become something, Edge was already the Master of The Ladder match and the only reason he didn't got a nice push in 2003 was because he go his neck broken. 2004 was the year of Benoit and Eddie Guerrero, both reigns which ended abruptly for some backtage plays against them and Edge every angle was scrapped because of the plan to make Orton the youngest Champion of all time to take Brock off the Books and to have JBL as a champion and see how far it could go.

If you didn't watched Edge first Title defense against Flair that is your problem, but it was a good match and Flair even thanked Edge to made him look like a million bucks when he was inducted to the HOF. Also mid-90s? Didn't you watched Flair's match with The Undertaker at Wrestlemania X-8? or His Cage match with HHH at Cyber Sunday in 2005? Seriously if you thing Flair has had mediocre matches since the 90s then Cena has only had 3 or 4 good matches in his entire career.

I do remember that okay match against Flair and that Undertaker/Flair match wasn't as great as other Taker matches. Flair did a decent job in that match but that's all I'm going to give him.

HHH? Seriously? Probably only the last one on Raw because at PPV both were really average, doesn't matter how many times you hit your finisher.

Lashley? For real? The only time I have heard a crowd boo both guys in the main event from start to finish. Not even when Kurt Faced HHH at the Royal rumble of 2001, and both guys were heels.

Khali? man those 3 matches sucked big time, FU...sorry AA from the stage does not make the match a good match and the day he made Khali tpped to the STF was the crappiest finish ever, even more sobecause Khali's foot was under the rope because he is so damd big that anywhere near the ropes he was safe.

Umaga. well the second one was good, the first one sucked, though.

Orton? well only two good matches in two years of rivalry, The Iron Man and the I quit Match, all the others were medicore at best, and none the less Cena called it "the rivalry" of the WWE, Well "the rivalry" of the year was CM Punk VS Jeff Hardy, that one was interesting.

Edge, well that was my point, and Edge's best matches has not been with Cena, Edge has made him look good but Edge has plety more memorable matches than Cena, even when He was a Mid-carter, His Intercontinental Match with Christian, His matches with Kurt Angle, with Eddie Guerrero, on tag teams with the Hardys, He got a good match with The Rock at Smackdown once too, His matches with Rey Mysterio when Rey was not Injured, they guy has plenty of matches, and if you watched The DVD package they put together for Him, , 3 DVDs does not make him justice. Cannot say he is the Best of all time, but the guy is very good and way better than Cena.

Cena has had good midcard matches with RVD, Taker, Mysterio, and Booker T that people certainly remember as well. Also that Edge DVD wasn't that spectacular because most of his best matches were left off.

Has not being given the chance to be a long time champion, eventhough he got the Rattings up everytime he got the Belt. The fucntion of Edge as a Heel is that people want to see him get his ass Kicked by anyone, because he is the bad guy.Everytime Cena got the title from him people booed Cena. Did you watched Their Match at Summerslam 2006? It was at Cena's hometown and When Edge beat Cena by cheating the people when nuts for Edge, they were not booing, they were cheering because they saw what you are not willing to do, that Edge is better than Cena.

Outside of his first reign how long have Cena lasted as Champion? I mean his first title reing was a lengthy one but it was finished because it was starting to drag, Edge got the title and while it was not meant to last (being his first reing and the Main event Planned as Cena VS HHH), it refreshed Cena and allowed him to get momentum against HHH, which would not had happened if Edge wouldn't take the title from him. From there please tell me a Cena title reing that has lasted more than 5 months, his last 3 reigns (out of 7) haven´t lasted more than a month and the one before that lasted 3 moths.

Like I said before, Edge is is not a wrestling God but he is the WWE "guy to go" when they wan to make something interesting. Randy was in downward spiral to midcard and DX was losing momentum in late 2006 and what happened? why not insert the guy people really hate (EDGE) and pair him with Orton and make them Rivals with DX? Rated RKO was brought to push 3 guys and one was the work horse and that was Edge. It didn't lasted long but it ended with a great match Between Edge and Orton on raw the Next week that HBK VS Cena in England, yes it was not as good but for the time they were given it was pretty damn cool.

So don't give me the thing about the spear because if we go to bad looking moves the AA sucks and His STF is not the best one by far, Female Wrestler Jazz' STF would make Cena feel ashamed of the way he locks that move.

There are many heels that have been given a long reign as champion. Half of Edge's reigns were short because he's just simply not a great draw as champion and I'm not saying that is a bad thing. Bret Hart was a great wrestler but he was a bad draw at champion. When Rated RKO was formed, did it push HHH and HBK in any way? No because all four had nothing to do so they were put in a feud. Orton benefitted some but he was in the midcard soon thereafter.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

No, just no, Edge started wrestling in 1992, Cena started in 2000, that's eight years and it gives Edge so much more experience, so yes it is a factor. It doesn't matter how many moves they do a match, all wrestlers perform a handful of moves during a match we all know that, but by and by watch past Edge matches and past Cean matches, from way back in the day and you'll see Edge has a far deeper arsanel that eh can choose from, Edge has more technical moves than Cena, more extreme moves that Cena, more high flying moves even, more creative move, more moves, so yeah Edge can out wrestle Cena hands down.

I was specifically talking about when they were wrestling in the WWE but ok. Does it really matter if Edge has more moves than Cena? No it doesn't because it's how you perform the moves that matters and nobody has done it over the past five or six years better than Cena. Cena has had great matches against a variety of opponents who wrestle a variety of styles. He has been excellent against power guys, speed guys, brawling guys, and technical guys.

 

[Spaceman Spif]

I was specifically talking about when they were wrestling in the WWE but ok. Does it really matter if Edge has more moves than Cena? No it doesn't because it's how you perform the moves that matters and nobody has done it over the past five or six years better than Cena. Cena has had great matches against a variety of opponents who wrestle a variety of styles. He has been excellent against power guys, speed guys, brawling guys, and technical guys.

Edge still performs the moves better than Cena, Edge can go from one move to another without pause or hesistation, Cena has to damn near stop what he is doing to another move. He isn't gracefull or smooth, he's erratic and at time clumsy. And if you are telling me Cena has performed better in the ring than Punk, Edge, Christian, Swagger, Morrison, Ziggler, even Sheamus, McIntire and even Rey Mysterio, then I am sorry but you do not know what a good wrestler is. Cena is good, he can wrestle, he can draw, he can entertain, but he can not out wrestle half of the guys on the roster, especially Edge, it was ridiculous to claim that Cena has performed better than everyone in the past five or six years, because he hasn't, he doesn't have half the thimble full of talent that other wrestler's have and I include Edge in that group of other wrestlers.

 

[Kinghaspoken]

This article has to be a joke, Edge is 10 times the wrestler and 10 times the entertainer, only thing that cena has going for hiim is the fact that the fans are truly divided when it comes to him and that makes his matches exciting. i personally think he isnt nothing more than a brawler. Cena's matches are as good as his opponent allows them to be too many times have i seen cena completely completely carried.

Edge is top 5 today he can do any match with anybody and its entertaining. and if he comes back babyface and on raw he moves cena out the way as the top guy but wwe wont allow that to happen

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

This article has to be a joke, Edge is 10 times the wrestler and 10 times the entertainer, only thing that cena has going for hiim is the fact that the fans are truly divided when it comes to him and that makes his matches exciting. i personally think he isnt nothing more than a brawler. Cena's matches are as good as his opponent allows them to be too many times have i seen cena completely completely carried.
Edge is top 5 today he can do any match with anybody and its entertaining. and if he comes back babyface and on raw he moves cena out the way as the top guy but wwe wont allow that to happen

So much ignorance in this post its astounding. Why are you holding Cena's wrestling style against him? Wasn't Austin reduced to a brawler for the latter part of his career which was his most successful? Where are these matches that Cena was carried in because I would like to know because I haven't seen any? I would put Cena, Batista, Taker, Mysterio, Jericho, and Punk before Edge and Edge cannot wrestle anybody and make it entertaining. Was his matches with Big Show entertaining? How about his mediocre matches with Taker and Batista? As long as Cena is making the most money for Vince, Edge will never be the top guy unless Cena retires early and Orton would be picked over Edge in that regard.

 

[maar130]

That Hell in a Cell was one of the worst ones I've ever seen and Hardy/Punk was ten times better than Edge/Hardy. Edge and Cena have had plenty of mediocre matches over the years and I would say Rey Mysterio has had the best matches these last couple of years but he is not the discussion. Cena/HHH told the story of the veteran trying to show the "rookie" up by outwrestling him and ending up tapping out. What story did Edge/HHH tell? I would say it was unfair for Edge but I'm not going that far.

Really? one of the worst? That one was one of the top 5 HIAC matches there have been, Now you are going to tell me that Orton VS Cena HIAC was better, right? Well you know that one was one of the worst I have seen if we talk about Crappy HIAC matches.


On the Edge VS Hardy match, well Certainly Punk VS Hardy was better but none the less Edge and Hardy had a superb match.

And about the story of HHH VS Cena at Mania, please, that story was sold form the angle but the match was average at best and it told the same story Cena plays every time since 2005 when he wins, Superman story. HHH might be smarter but Super Cena strenght conquer all, that simple. Edge VS HHH didn't told a story because knowing that Edge will owned him in promos they barely even interact with each other and that also resulted on a meaningless match which was not that great either.

I do remember that okay match against Flair and that Undertaker/Flair match wasn't as great as other Taker matches. Flair did a decent job in that match but that's all I'm going to give him.

Well it was a good match and yes Taker has had better matches but my point was that Flair has had good matches even at this stage of his career.

Cena has had good midcard matches with RVD, Taker, Mysterio, and Booker T that people certainly remember as well. Also that Edge DVD wasn't that spectacular because most of his best matches were left off.

Well you said yourself, He has better matches than those in the DVD, Meaning you recognize the man has had may great matches through his career, with many people, and certainly better than Cena.

I recall some of those matches you mention and yes thay were good but Edge VS RVD was way Better than Cena VS RVD.

There are many heels that have been given a long reign as champion. Half of Edge's reigns were short because he's just simply not a great draw as champion and I'm not saying that is a bad thing. Bret Hart was a great wrestler but he was a bad draw at champion. When Rated RKO was formed, did it push HHH and HBK in any way? No because all four had nothing to do so they were put in a feud. Orton benefitted some but he was in the midcard soon thereafter.

Well on that part depending on who is on the show matters too, at the time Won the Title from the Undertaker HHH was traded to Smackdown and you could not have both titles there, and there was no chance HHH was going to drop his title, eventhough he has no angle with it what so ever, so Edge took the bullet and drop it to CM Punk. The man can Draw as champion and rating during his title reings is a proof that. Hardy's credibility as champion came from Edge, who came back to put him over since HHH didn't do it, everytime HHH and hardy fought for the belt HHH won, and when it was meaningless on a Smackdown match Hardy did. Edge is the kind of wrestler they go to when you want a good show and it does not matter if he wins or loses, you see a good match, you can't say the same about Cena, who is meant to be over most of the time.

Also on these times the last long reign from a Heel was JBL's, all the other ones have been kept short. Randy's Orton longest reing was about 6 moths and that was it, When Edge was about to have an almost year long reign he got Injured like the Undertaker and had to drop the title on Smackdown.

All the others have been long but only from Faces Like Cena, Batista and HHH who had a lenghty reing on Smackdown.

From there the last long Reing and it was not that long was HHH's who had it from late April to late November.

So the lenghty of reings s not that important anymore with the trend they are using right now, but Everytime Edge has the belt the ratings go up or at least stay steady, more so than when Cena is the Champion.

Wasn't Austin reduced to a brawler for the latter part of his career which was his most successful? Where are these matches that Cena was carried in because I would like to know because I haven't seen any? I would put Cena, Batista, Taker, Mysterio, Jericho, and Punk before Edge and Edge cannot wrestle anybody and make it entertaining. Was his matches with Big Show entertaining? How about his mediocre matches with Taker and Batista? As long as Cena is making the most money for Vince, Edge will never be the top guy unless Cena retires early and Orton would be picked over Edge in that regard.

With Austin it was different but the guy made more than anything very present that he could use submission moves, even when he was learning them on the fly. Besides Austin was the Anti-hero and represented the common guy more than anything, to what Cena represents something similar, it does not have the same aura that Austin has.

Cannot actually believe you said that Edge is not entertaining at all, he can carry a lot of matches with anyone and just because you didn't like his matches with Taker, to most people thing are very good incluiding myself, does not mean they were as mediocre as Cena's most of the time. Their TLC match was very good, the HIAC was very good also and a lot of people was behind Edge, eventhough I am a Taker fan I recognize the man delivered.

His match with Show was not good but none odf Cena's matches with the Big Show has been good either, and the interaction is totally different with Show and Edge being both Heels, at least The Superman thinjg should had played into Cena's favor, but it didn't and It was laughable that Cena and Show had Matches at PPV after had such stinkers on free TV.Their Subbmission Match was not even medicre at Bragging rights.

Cena was carried by Shawn on their first match, by Kurt Angle in pretty much all their matches, by Benoit and Taker. Cena when he puts his min into it can also carry people to good amatches but not all the time and not every one, proof of that was his matches with the Big Show.

What I have to give to John is that He had a very nice match with Batista (not a Batista VS Taker by a long shot), they both played it to the notch, actually waiting the rematch on that one.

And if Edge is so bad how can you explain that at Cena's Ho,etown He was cheered way more than the Hometown Hero at Summerslam 2006?

I don't thing Edge as a face would be more popular than Cena, I really don't think so but as a wrestler he is way better.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Really? one of the worst? That one was one of the top 5 HIAC matches there have been, Now you are going to tell me that Orton VS Cena HIAC was better, right? Well you know that one was one of the worst I have seen if we talk about Crappy HIAC matches.


On the Edge VS Hardy match, well Certainly Punk VS Hardy was better but none the less Edge and Hardy had a superb match.

And about the story of HHH VS Cena at Mania, please, that story was sold form the angle but the match was average at best and it told the same story Cena plays every time since 2005 when he wins, Superman story. HHH might be smarter but Super Cena strenght conquer all, that simple. Edge VS HHH didn't told a story because knowing that Edge will owned him in promos they barely even interact with each other and that also resulted on a meaningless match which was not that great either.



Well it was a good match and yes Taker has had better matches but my point was that Flair has had good matches even at this stage of his career.



Well you said yourself, He has better matches than those in the DVD, Meaning you recognize the man has had may great matches through his career, with many people, and certainly better than Cena.

I recall some of those matches you mention and yes thay were good but Edge VS RVD was way Better than Cena VS RVD.



Well on that part depending on who is on the show matters too, at the time Won the Title from the Undertaker HHH was traded to Smackdown and you could not have both titles there, and there was no chance HHH was going to drop his title, eventhough he has no angle with it what so ever, so Edge took the bullet and drop it to CM Punk. The man can Draw as champion and rating during his title reings is a proof that. Hardy's credibility as champion came from Edge, who came back to put him over since HHH didn't do it, everytime HHH and hardy fought for the belt HHH won, and when it was meaningless on a Smackdown match Hardy did. Edge is the kind of wrestler they go to when you want a good show and it does not matter if he wins or loses, you see a good match, you can't say the same about Cena, who is meant to be over most of the time.

Also on these times the last long reign from a Heel was JBL's, all the other ones have been kept short. Randy's Orton longest reing was about 6 moths and that was it, When Edge was about to have an almost year long reign he got Injured like the Undertaker and had to drop the title on Smackdown.

All the others have been long but only from Faces Like Cena, Batista and HHH who had a lenghty reing on Smackdown.

From there the last long Reing and it was not that long was HHH's who had it from late April to late November.

So the lenghty of reings s not that important anymore with the trend they are using right now, but Everytime Edge has the belt the ratings go up or at least stay steady, more so than when Cena is the Champion.

1. That's silly. I don't think Orton/Cena is a great HIAC match because I never watched it but I did watch Edge/Taker and didn't think too much of it.

2. HHH/Cena told a story that Cena's previous matches didn't tell. Who before HHH faced Cena had the acoclades that HHH had? The storyline was HHH basically telling Cena that he can't wrestle and that didn't deserve to be in the ring with him and that night Cena proved him wrong.

3. Where are the ratings during Edge's title reigns that proved he was a great champion? I surmise you won't find many since his reigns are so short.

4. Edge had nothing to do with Hardy being a credible main-eventer. Orton helped Hardy during the earlier part of 2008 and would have been champion sooner if he didn't get suspended. When Edge was in "hell", HHH and Hardy had some great matches and helped Jeff out even more. Then Edge won the title at Survivor Series and lost it to Jeff at Armageddon. Edge didn't do all for Hardy that you think he did.

 

[maar130]

1. That's silly. I don't think Orton/Cena is a great HIAC match because I never watched it but I did watch Edge/Taker and didn't think too much of it.

2. HHH/Cena told a story that Cena's previous matches didn't tell. Who before HHH faced Cena had the acoclades that HHH had? The storyline was HHH basically telling Cena that he can't wrestle and that didn't deserve to be in the ring with him and that night Cena proved him wrong.

3. Where are the ratings during Edge's title reigns that proved he was a great champion? I surmise you won't find many since his reigns are so short.

4. Edge had nothing to do with Hardy being a credible main-eventer. Orton helped Hardy during the earlier part of 2008 and would have been champion sooner if he didn't get suspended. When Edge was in "hell", HHH and Hardy had some great matches and helped Jeff out even more. Then Edge won the title at Survivor Series and lost it to Jeff at Armageddon. Edge didn't do all for Hardy that you think he did.

1. Ok I guess about the HIAC of Orton and Cena you just didn't care and believeme, you didn't miss anything special.

2. In a different way, is the same story he had with Jericho, with Kurt Angle, and regards the wrestling, specially with Kurt Angle, maybe not as many titles but he was regarded and by a lot of people still is, the best wrestler in the World, and those two feuds were previous to his match with HHH.

3. Well on his first night as champion Raw pulled a 4.5 Rating which was one of the best ratings since 2002 and kept them stady until John got the title back and ratings again when from 4 to 3. something.

4. About Hardy, well Jeff just needed a little push, and he got a good match with HHH and a good match with Orton, but that was it, there was no chance HHH would drop the title to him, Jeff even jobbed to John Cena, even though people was more in favor of Jeff on Raw. Every time it really matter Jeff was put down by HHH, he jobbed to him 2 PPV straight completely clean, Jeff was the guy that always got the shot but always choked out, only until Edge entered the picture they allowed Hardy to get the belt, why? Because he was the right guy to help him reach the top as face, that they wanted the belt back with HHH later was an other story, but Edge helped Jeff reach the pinnacle of his career, both times he got the title form him.