Who Did Cena Bury?

[mrfantastic111]

It's his job to be 'The Man', or as people have been known to call him, 'Superman'. At the end of the day, it's not burying, because as far as we know he isn't actually screwing anyone over.

On the other hand, lots of wrestlers have complained about him not losing via a clean win. I think that alot of people could have made it to Cena's level if they had gotten a clean win. For example - Edge. Edge's gimmick was to be the Ultimate Opportunist, it wouldn't of hurt to beat Cena fair and square at least once just to prove that he wasn't just a bag of cheap tricks. In the end everything turned out well for Edge, but guys like RVD, Del Rio, Miz, etc have all suffered.

My question is, why push someone to the top, get them so close to being over, and then finish the process in a cheap way? It devalues the characters that we just ache to see hit the big time!

 

[WWEvsJosh]

When did Austin put people over clean? The Big Red Monster could not even beat him clean and then the next night he lost the title. To me that's not helping Kane llok like a monster at all.

 

[WWEvsJosh]

That is true it would help if cena took some clean looses so he could make the other star look better. It would make the heels seem more like a promblem then just another guy who got lucky

 

[24fawwe12fa24]

Cena gets the blaim for a lot of things but one thing nobody can ever say he's done is bury people, the list of people he's put over is endless, Edge in 2006, Umaga in late 2006/2007, The Great Khali (made Khali look good and afterwards we saw how bad Khali really was), Wade Barrett, Zack Ryder right now, and more. John Cena is in my opinion one of the best guys in wrestling/sports entertainment, personally I like him whereas everyone else hates him, at the moment I prefer him over The Rock, The Rock says he will never leave and then he leaves the week after and he's even stopped bothering sending via Satellite videos, whereas Cena is there for 300 something days a year, we don't need Rock anymore I would rather look back on what he did rather than now, sell-out.

 

[Miakisaki]

The greatest things John Cena has buried over the course of his "super" career?

Gate earnings, PPV buy rates, and television ratings.

I've never really seen anything out of John Cena except a guy that took advantage of the atmosphere provided by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to build a pro-military "never say die" look and attitude. I have absolutely nothing against the military (bless you guys) but I thought he was far and beyond more entertaining during his rhyming "thuganomics" character. He has the talent to entertain with that, and he threw it aside to become this annoying larger than life superman character and I never agreed with that choice. It has led to some of the lowest gate draws and declining television ratings over the last few years, and if it wasn't for his merchandise sales he'd be jobbing to guys like Cody Rhodes and Dolph Ziggler.

I don't knock anyone that likes him, but the people that compare him to Hulk Hogan really need to wake up. Hogan led a pro-wrestling revolution for nearly two decades and put the industry on the map as mainstream. Cena hasn't done anything but been a top merchandise seller.

 

[S.J. Maximus]

I think people say "Super Cena never loses" but I've never really heard too many people say he buries guys and most of the responses I've read so far on this thread reflect that. However, like someone said earlier, Cena very rarely loses clean. As a matter of fact, I think the only people to ever beat him cleanly are HBK, RKO, and Batista (at least those are the only ones I can recall right now). Putting this into play makes it seem like he buries people when he faces teams like Rhodes & Dibiase and demolishes them or when he defeated Miz w/ R-Truth easily the week before he was supposed to team up with The Rock to 'battle' them. As for Nexus, I don't think Cena was as much of a part of destroying them as Orton was, who literally punted each member out of the storyline.

I don't think Cena has buried anyone, but I do think it's ridiculous how rarely he losses clean and how unsurprisingly often he overcomes insurmountable odds.

 

[bxbigshow]

I think a lot plays into the "fashion" he wins his matches... With a the big 'SuperCena' comeback, it make his opponents look inferior, just a thought.

Also his finisher looks a little weak, and I don't think it looks so great that all of these Superstars get knocked out by a glorified Fireman's Carry.

Personally I like the kid, but looking as a devil's advocate, I can see where that speculation came from.

 

[Daniel]

Cena doesn't bury people. It's one of the biggest misconceptions in professional wrestling. It's up there with "WWE's business is bad" and "Cena can't wrestle".

Everyone Cena encounters, he puts over. He puts the over purely from being around him. Sheamus, Wade Barrett, Alberto Del Rio - you name them, they got put over. Just because they didn't win the final match (although Sheamus and Del Rio managed dirty wins), it doesn't mean they got buried.

 

[Swarles Barkley]

Then there was Miz a few years ago...Yeah Cena was always going to win their PPV blow-off, that was a given, but he could've at least made the match competitive...He destroyed Miz and finished him in about 5 minutes.

If you are referring to the feud between the two in the summer of 2009, I look at the feud in a different light based on something Chris Jericho wrote in his first autobiography in regards to his WCW feud with Goldberg. Jericho said the whole reason for the feud was to have Goldberg inevitably come out and sqush Jericho in a matter of seconds. I view the first Cena-Miz feud the same way. Much like Jericho, Miz was claiming these lame victories over Cena (countout wins when Cena wasn't there and such) and the blow off was Cena showing Miz that he wasn't in his league. Almost point-for-point what Jericho wanted to accomplish with Goldberg. Cena's burial of Miz makes sense when viewed this way.

Besides, two years later they are main eventing Mania and Miz won. In my opinion, Cena does not bury anyone and if anything, he has put over more guys than most top stars do. I think specifically to the match he had a couple of years ago with Jack Swagger on Raw. Cena made Swagger look legit. Cena feuded with a group of near unknowns when he went against Nexus in 2010. Regardless of how it ended, that feud lasted the entire summer all the way to December.

I think people are quick to use their hatred of Cena's character and then make up stuff about what he does. Cena doesn't bury people. I really don't see how any objective person can say otherwise.

 

[Xumer]

I don't knock anyone that likes him, but the people that compare him to Hulk Hogan really need to wake up. Hogan led a pro-wrestling revolution for nearly two decades and put the industry on the map as mainstream.

LMAO! Hogan led 2 things, Jack and shit and Jack left town. Before WWF he was nobody, just another big goon until Vince gave him his super hero character. Vince made him, not the other way around. Then he split to WCW and didn't draw a dime. The NWO was already on fire when he decided to ride the limelight on their coat tails and he's been riding it ever since. Even now he uses that NWO theme song clone as his music. And yeah he's done A WHOLE LOT for TNA hasn't he?

As far as Cena never losing cleanly, that's the nature of the beast for a face against a heel isn't it?

 

[Defekt]

Whether it's true or not, there have been a few people off the top of my head who have said that Cena had something to do with their release. Mr. Kennedy being one of them, saying that Orton and Cena bad mouthed him about being unsafe. Michael Tarver from NXT was another one who bad mouthed Cena. I don't see either of these being true, I just remember these two talking negative about Cena.

I dunno about Mr. Kennedy, but personally, I thought Michael Tarver was mostly full of shit, claiming Cena buried him out of jealousy. Why would the biggest wrestler in the world be worried about Michael Tarver taking his spot?

I can't think of anyone Cena has buried. He's actually elevated pretty much everyone he's worked with. Cena may win alot, but he also makes his opponents look good.

 

[a0161613]

There are some posts in this thread that are abysmal because people just don't understand what a true burial is.

Cena vs Umaga is up there with most Hogan vs Monster (not named Andre) matches. He was superb in that one. The combination of the feud, their respective gimmicks and the match type itself helped create one of the best matches of the decade. Cena didnt bury Umaga, WWE booking buried Umaga.

Cena didn't bury Nexus. That's a massive myth. Wade Barrett was the standout of that group and now he is a top level star on SD. The others are about where they can expect to be. Again, the feud was about the story. In the end Cena had to behead the monster of Nexus which he did by crushing Barrett with the chairs at TLC 2010. Up until then he had helped Barrett look brilliant, an aura of which he only recently regained with Orton after treading water for months.

Miz, Ziggler, Henry all got great treatment with Cena in recent months. The Rock will get the superstar treatment at Mania. He learnt from the best in how to put people over, Cena can do it in defeat and in victory. For example; if Cena beats Miz or Del Rio next week, are they buried? Hell no. The Miz is still going to be a big star for WWE, one loss doesn't define a career. Was Punk's win at MitB tainted by Vince's presence? No, Punk looked great in no small part because Cena worked his ass off.

The simple fact is, your issues aren't with Cena, it's with WWE booking. Cena is doing a magnificent job, as good if not better than Hogan did in his era and is doing as much as he can with the material and the talent in front of him. Whether he loses or wins, you all need to understand that burying someone is completely different to looking strong in defeat

 

[bk555]

Cena has buried the Miz. TWICE.

First at Over the Limit when he made Miz say I quit. lets be honest,he was never truly the same after that as he was during the early months of 2011.

Then he buried the Miz AND R-truth at Survivor Series along with the Rock. Miz may never be able to gain the momentum that he gave himself in the whol conspiracy angle or in his title reign. I know for one thing that WWE will not give the Miz a siginificant Title reign in the near future because of Punk and eventually Cena has to get it back sometime.

 

[GI Cake]

Oh this is quite a long list we have here. Let's start with Randy Orton, Edge, Miz, Wade Barrett, Nexus, and CM Punk. Oh wait, I thought we were making a list of people Cena put over. John Cena doesn't bury anybody. In fact it is far from it, John Cena is the Superman of the industry. Heels like Randy Orton usually dominate the match 90% of the time. He does everything he can in the match to help put the guys over and he does it on the mic. Sometimes it works so well to a point where the heel had to turn face because of the reactions he started to get after his feud with Cena, the perfect example of this Randy Orton.

 

[Headman]

A lot of the fans here have a strange way of looking at things. While most people have it right some think that Cena can do no right and everything he does hurts the careers of other talent. So by beating people Cena his burying them? That's just stupid. Would the Joker be a more popular villain if Batman never touched him? Joker could be a villain in a Blue Beetle comic. He could own Blue Beetle in every issue and never get caught, but who cares? It's Blue Beetle. Getting is head caved in and dragged to Arkham all the time is better for the Joker's popularity than killing scrub characters. So in turn, the Miz getting stomped by Cena each and every week is still a program with Cena. It's a high profile segment with WWE's biggest star. It will not hurt you, and judging by where Miz ended up it actually helped him. Fans who hate Cena can continue to live in their dream world and watch wrestling with a blindfold, but it's actually a more enjoyable product if you don't talk yourself into hating it before you see it.

 

[willross]

The only people I can say he buried was The Miz and Wade Barrett. But at the end of the day they weren't his decisions so its not his fault, he just does what he is told.

He has however put over plenty of guys like Sheamus and Randy Orton. He also has put over Miz during their most recent feud decently and at the beginning of The Nexus angle he put them over HUGE.

This isn't the 1980's anymore, Vince is in complete control. Anyone who gets "buried" is buried by Vince and anyone who gets put over is put over by Vince. No one can run the power plays that Hogan used to.

 

[Brendanhatzyanks]

I honestly think that JBL got buried by Cena. I loved Cena back in those days of the Doc of Thuganomics. He was so fresh. After he won the title JBL pretty much dropped off and he had just had one of the best runs of being the WWE champ. Its sad. But Cena in my opinion has inflated numbers. What hes done in 8 yrs its took other ppl 20yr careers to do. He needs to start losing cleanly, getting DQ and stop with the 5 moves of doom.

 

[Xumer]

Damn u mad? Seriously though hogan didn't draw when he initially went to WCW or are you forgetting the promo he cut when he joined the nwo? "The reception I got, you fans can STICK IT brother". I don't know if the NWO would have worked as well with or without hogan but what I do know is that the NWO was on fire before he joined. WWE got big with hogan because it MADE hogan. Just like it's big now without him. If you are right and I am wrong, TNA would be getting 6.0 ratings now with him like WCW did during the NWO run. I see you conveniently didn't address THAT part of my original post. Seriously though dude, calm down. It's just wrestling. We all have favorites and ones that we hate. No need to freak out and yell and call names.

 

[vincent_kennedy_mcmahon]

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First at Over the Limit when he made Miz say I quit. lets be honest,he was never truly the same after that as he was during the early months of 2011.

As opposed to what??? You are well aware that somone had to say "I quit" - in an "I-quit-match that is. Either Cena or Miz, you may not like the outcome of the match, but thats quite another complaint. Miz was never the same after that??? Where have you been during the whole summer? Awesome Truth?

Then he buried the Miz AND R-truth at Survivor Series along with the Rock.

But no ... you apperently have seen it as you mention here. You probably just didn't like the look in Miz's eyes throughout this program. "He just isn't the same anymore, sure he plays the same cocky heel but this sadness in his eyes ... he is a broken man. Well when he and Truth win their match, against that overrated so called face of the company and that hasbeen. Things will change ... The Summer of Miz is finally coming!"
Boy you must have been disappointed, but to quote Miz here: "REALLY? ... REALLY?" Did you really expect for the Awesome Truth - who were very entertaining I certainly give them that - to beat ROCK & CENA?? If so you certainly have twisted expectations.

Miz may never be able to gain the momentum that he gave himself in the whol conspiracy angle or in his title reign. I know for one thing that WWE will not give the Miz a siginificant Title reign in the near future because of Punk and eventually Cena has to get it back sometime.

He eventually is going to get this kind of momentum again, and I would bet you a lot of money that it is going to be in the not so far future. But you are right he is probably not going to hold a title in the next few months... but even that isn't set in stone.
The point is - he doesn't have to. He is still quite young and had a lenghty title reign not so long ago. Big Show had to wait 8 years between titles. He never was anywhere near irrelevant within that time, he just wasn't the champ. Thats the business... Cena is certainly going to have more championsships on his sheet in the end. He is the bigger draw, but if Miz is allowed to have another few feuds with him and the other big names in the business, he himself is going to be a big name and make a great living off of it, as well as one or the other transitional championship.

Im quite certain that after his career, when it's all said and done and the idk 2 ultradisc boxset with 48 hours of matches is going to come out, in the beginning of it there will be an interview with miz where he states how Cena made him, how that biggest name in the industry back then saw something in him and offered him to make a program. Where he would call him out and disrespect him and first Cena kayfabe wouldn't even acknowledge him, but after a while they would have a series of matches and the rest ist history...
There will be alot of these kinds of interviews, when a kayfabe break isn't that important anymore.

 

[Headman]

Here's what I've learned from this thread...

#1 most people don't believe Cena has buried anyone. Whether they like him or not they understand that sharing screen time with Cena win/lose/draw is a good thing for your career.

#2 Some people in this thread don't know what the term "Bury" means and will use examples like the Miz and Wade Barrett despite the fact that both Miz and Barrett were midcarders at best before Cena gave them the rub they needed to be seen as main eventers.

Being buried does NOT men losing a squash match. It means being jobbed out to the point that you are no longer valuable to anyone. You want to see an example of someone being buried? Look at John Morrison since he came back. He was buried. It wasn't by one guy either, because one guy usually can't bury you by himself. Triple H didn't bury Booker T or Rob Van Dam, he made them main eventers. Cena didn't bury Miz, he made him a main eventer. Tito Santana after splitting with Rick Martel got buried. Battle Kat after being depushed got buried. MVP was buried when he moved to RAW. People don't get buried when there are plans to still use them. People are buried when the WWE doesn't want them anymore and figures they can use them to put other guys over until they release them.

 

[vincent_kennedy_mcmahon]

Here's what I've learned from this thread...

#1 most people don't believe Cena has buried anyone. Whether they like him or not they understand that sharing screen time with Cena win/lose/draw is a good thing for your career.

#2 Some people in this thread don't know what the term "Bury" means and will use examples like the Miz and Wade Barrett despite the fact that both Miz and Barrett were midcarders at best before Cena gave them the rub they needed to be seen as main eventers.

Being buried does NOT men losing a squash match. It means being jobbed out to the point that you are no longer valuable to anyone. You want to see an example of someone being buried? Look at John Morrison since he came back. He was buried. It wasn't by one guy either, because one guy usually can't bury you by himself. Triple H didn't bury Booker T or Rob Van Dam, he made them main eventers. Cena didn't bury Miz, he made him a main eventer. Tito Santana after splitting with Rick Martel got buried. Battle Kat after being depushed got buried. MVP was buried when he moved to RAW. People don't get buried when there are plans to still use them. People are buried when the WWE doesn't want them anymore and figures they can use them to put other guys over until they release them.

This should get an appendix for the orignal quote.
This is a rather pointless thread (because there is no one Cena - without a reason and alone) buried. He plus Orton got Kennedy kicked out, but that had reasons. He may have squashed some future endevorments along his way, but he isn't the reason they did't have what it takes for the WWE.
Countless heels lost their feuds ultimatly against him, but thats what heels do in this business. In any important (not a programm to establish a heel) feud the face in the end is going to be victorious. Thats the norm - as it is in any fiction - I think it is called a happy ending?

 

[Canadian_SXE]

Actually Cena is the reason Cena tore his pectoral muscle when he was injured hiptossing Kennedy. I don't know how Kennedy could possible be responsible for injuring someone when they are the one taking the move. And he didn't even come close to injuring Orton. They both just wanted to complaing. Hell, the suplex Kennedy did to Orton that supposedly is the reason he was fired paled in comparison to the one Regal layed on him in England while Orton was champ when he dropped him almost completely on his head. Regal didn't get any flack and he looked like he could have injured Orton, more then Kennedy.

 

[vincent_kennedy_mcmahon]

Actually Cena is the reason Cena tore his pectoral muscle when he was injured hiptossing Kennedy. I don't know how Kennedy could possible be responsible for injuring someone when they are the one taking the move. And he didn't even come close to injuring Orton. They both just wanted to complaing. Hell, the suplex Kennedy did to Orton that supposedly is the reason he was fired paled in comparison to the one Regal layed on him in England while Orton was champ when he dropped him almost completely on his head. Regal didn't get any flack and he looked like he could have injured Orton, more then Kennedy.

Maybe they just argued that he is a injury risk and in reality it was his bad overall attitude... or whatever else brought 2 of the biggest stars of the company to the point of wanting him released. It may be just a justification, but that doesn't matter that much, point is -Kennedy messed with the wrong people.

 

[XXJJ]

Kennedy's firing was a group effort. Cena, Orton and HBK all didn't like working with him. And you had the steroids issue with him. Not to mention Kennedy is an overrated piece of garbage.

I dont think Cena buries wrestlers. I haven't heard any stories about Cena refusing to job to someone... Like Austin did with Lesnar.

Sometimes his booking is stupid. The ending at Summerslam with Nexus comes to mind. That match basically killed any momentum they were building with Nexus. But you blame Vince or the writers for stuff like that, not the wrestler.

 

[Headman]

Actually Cena is the reason Cena tore his pectoral muscle when he was injured hiptossing Kennedy. I don't know how Kennedy could possible be responsible for injuring someone when they are the one taking the move. And he didn't even come close to injuring Orton. They both just wanted to complaing. Hell, the suplex Kennedy did to Orton that supposedly is the reason he was fired paled in comparison to the one Regal layed on him in England while Orton was champ when he dropped him almost completely on his head. Regal didn't get any flack and he looked like he could have injured Orton, more then Kennedy.

So the person taking the move is the only one who can botch? I believe if Kennedy wasn't such an ass to everyone he wouldn't have caught as much flak for this as he did.

Maybe they just argued that he is a injury risk and in reality it was his bad overall attitude... or whatever else brought 2 of the biggest stars of the company to the point of wanting him released. It may be just a justification, but that doesn't matter that much, point is -Kennedy messed with the wrong people.

Exactly. Kennedy was injury prone, sloppy in the ring, and all in all just rubbed people the wrong way. And even then Kennedy was never buried. He main evented RAW the night before he was fired. Kennedy is just a classic case of getting too big for your britches and writing checks with your mouth that your talent can't cash.

Kennedy's firing was a group effort. Cena, Orton and HBK all didn't like working with him. And you had the steroids issue with him. Not to mention Kennedy is an overrated piece of garbage.

I dont think Cena buries wrestlers. I haven't heard any stories about Cena refusing to job to someone... Like Austin did with Lesnar.

Sometimes his booking is stupid. The ending at Summerslam with Nexus comes to mind. That match basically killed any momentum they were building with Nexus. But you blame Vince or the writers for stuff like that, not the wrestler.

Agreed on all points. Kennedy was his own worst enemy which is probably why he's used the way he is in TNA. How is TNA going to believe you can be the future of the company if you say dumb things like you plan to retire in 5 years. That might work for Angle, but Kennedy was a new signee at that point and should just be entering his prime.

And yes, the Nexus was doomed by booking but ultimately it was doomed because sooner or later it was no better than the sum of it's parts. Wade Barrett was the only possible main eventer in the bunch. The rest were green and lacked charisma. What else could have been done with them?