Many people have said time and time that Cena has buired other wrestlers and has kept them from becoming stars. My question is who has he done this to. One example that I think people may use is him vs Umaga. People may say he hurt his star power because he was the first to beat him but to me he made him look better. He never beat him like he was better than him. In their match at the Rumble Cena had to use the ropes twice just so he could stay down. That to me helped Umaga more then hurt him. I think most of his fueds were that way. What does everyone else think?
Who Did Cena Bury?
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I can't think of any people Cena specifically buried. if anything he has put over alot of people. I don't think Umaga was buried at all,it made sense at the time for Cena to win. That fact that he had to use everything he had and more just to keep him down for ten seconds was proving how tough of a monster Umaga was. Now what they did later with Umaga was another story(bad booking on their part). I have no idea what people you are talking about who have said Cena has buried people. WWE uses him to get people over because he is the face of the company. Quite honestly this whole thread is sounding like an unneeded anti-cena thing.
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Cena can't bury anyone as long as he is doing the job that people with the ultimate authority tell him to do. If somehow Cena pulls a powertrip backstage and refuses to make a guy than maybe we can say he "buried" someone.
I am no wrestling insider but it seems to me that Cena is very loyal to WWE and does what he is told.
I am no wrestling insider but it seems to me that Cena is very loyal to WWE and does what he is told.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
I don't think Cena has buried anyone. If anything it's the opposite. On this forum in particular there's going to be more guys who will be quick to defend Cena and his matches than complain about them because Cena has a pretty good track record of making his opponents look good. Cena often puts on entertaining matches with talent that either isn't on his level, is close to his level, or even better than his level.
I think that you were right in your observations about Cena vs Umaga. I'd be willing to gamble that most casual fans would say that they enjoyed that match because it represented a true struggle.
I think that you were right in your observations about Cena vs Umaga. I'd be willing to gamble that most casual fans would say that they enjoyed that match because it represented a true struggle.
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Whether it's true or not, there have been a few people off the top of my head who have said that Cena had something to do with their release. Mr. Kennedy being one of them, saying that Orton and Cena bad mouthed him about being unsafe. Michael Tarver from NXT was another one who bad mouthed Cena. I don't see either of these being true, I just remember these two talking negative about Cena.
WunNightStan619
Getting Noticed By Management
People always say that whoever is most successful at a particular time is burying people. Its not burying, its doing your job. There is only but so much room at the top and its gotta be somebody.
Richard Blonoff
Make America Rassle Again
He has never buried any specific worker but he has two big things that I think lead people to think that.
1) Very rarely does he ever lose clean. When RVD beat him back at One Night Stand it took a spear from Edge through a table and Paul E. coming down to make the count. When Wade Barret beat him last summer it was because of Harris. When Punk beat him he had his foot on the rope. It makes some people look weak by comparison.
2) This one I like to call the Hogan/Savage effect. Hogan was always the top guy despite Savage being the better worker. Savage got big but was always in Hogan's shadow. A lot of guys have the same issue now. Punk is the better worker but Cena is still the top guy. Other guys can't rise as high because Cena is there.
1) Very rarely does he ever lose clean. When RVD beat him back at One Night Stand it took a spear from Edge through a table and Paul E. coming down to make the count. When Wade Barret beat him last summer it was because of Harris. When Punk beat him he had his foot on the rope. It makes some people look weak by comparison.
2) This one I like to call the Hogan/Savage effect. Hogan was always the top guy despite Savage being the better worker. Savage got big but was always in Hogan's shadow. A lot of guys have the same issue now. Punk is the better worker but Cena is still the top guy. Other guys can't rise as high because Cena is there.
NThe only person who's career john cena effected negatively to my knowlege is ken anderson. And even then, it was because of andersons safety issues and the fact that he wasn't doing anything about it. Anderson was the reason cena tore his pectoral muscle. And idk the specific injury, but he had also injured orton. Also he injured himself on multiple occasions. So my guess is that orton and cena grew tired of this, a got him fired. Other than that I see cena as being very professional, and knowing what he needs to do, and doing what is right for business. Besides, I'm convinced that burying only existed in WCW, and when HHH was supposedly doing it. Vince is a no bs kind of boss, and since after hogan, he doesn't let anybody get bigger than the company.
Brahma Bull
Getting Noticed By Management
The nexus when he pretty much single handedly took them all out. And TM Punk, your wrong, Orton was the reason cena tore his pectoral, and anderson never injured orton. But backstage rumors are just that, we'll never know what really happened to get tarver and anderson fired.
SinCityBlitz
Crossface Chickenwing
Cena was doing what he was told when it came to the Nexus.
Anderson very nearly injured Orton which is why Orton went ballistic backstage. The reason why Anderson was let go was that he couldn't stay healthy and he was very sloppy in the ring. Plus his steroid comments didn't help much either.
As much as I hate the Cena character I don't know of anyone he has held down. Cena seems to be pretty damn professional when it comes to that sort of thing.
I think Yazloz nailed it with his 2 points. Most of the hate Cena does receive is becuz he is the face of the company but not the company's best wrestler but let's face it things have always been that way. Although the name of the game is wrestling personality puts asses in the seats and John has every bit of that. I think we are all in argeement that the guy doesn't bury ppl, in fact I personally think he does 1 of the best jobs I've ever seen in putting guys over. I mean in the past few years look at how many guys he's been fed for an instant boost in their careers (Sheamus, Del Rio, Ryder, Miz, etc). The is doin all this while still being in the prime of his own career while some guys who are past their respective prime(HHH) refuse to help out the new guys.
Are you serious? Cena and Umaga at the RR was a match of the year candidate and his GAB match with Bobby Lashley was the best match of Lashley's career. Cena's first RAW match with Swagger was far from 3 minutes and made Swagger look like a threat. And his feud with Miz raised Miz's profile. Cena didn't bury any of these people. He made them.
SomeAreSet
Embracing The Hate
The only instance where I can think of where he quote-unquote "buried" someone in the ring was at the Great American Bash in 07 or 08 when he just went in and tore apart Miz for most of the match. Keep in mind he was the top guy in the company and had a 1-2 month feud with The Miz when the guy was still wearing customized jorts to the ring and went "HOO-RAH!" I think Cena was still injured or was filming a movie when the feud started,and he went along with it even though most main eventers would have returned expecting to be in the main event. Hell,it wasn't even a clean squash,Miz was able to perform most of his moves.
Other than that,I can't think of any instance of a squash match involving Cena. He's more often than not,allowed his opponents to perform their moves and he's always sold them like he would in a big match. His match with Dolph Ziggler last year or in 2010 was pretty good for a Raw match,and I don't think he's ever buried anyone popular backstage either. He was one of the first guys on the Zack Ryder bandwagon and he's still plugging Zack Ryder merchandise and his twitter from time to time,and if reports are to be believed,he was pulling for the summer feud with CM Punk.
And I wouldn't call him ultimately defeating Nexus after 6 months a squash. When he faced them 7-on-1,he always got his ass kicked. He even had to join them for a while,until he finally got the group separated from one another and beat them with the help of others,before finally beating Barrett at TLC. Hardly a squash feud.
It's rather contradictory when people complain about Super Cena and complain about Cena squashing his opponents. Super Cena makes super comebacks from beatdowns delivered by his opponents. A squash means the wrestler gets in the ring and beats his opponent mercilessly for the most part and then gets the pin.It's either Super Cena or Squash Cena,it can't be both. As for not losing cleanly,the sad truth is that top faces don't usually lose clean. Take for example CM Punk. His losses at PPVs and recent matches after Money In The Bank haven't been the cleanest. Lost to Del Rio via cash-in; Lost to Triple H after Awesome Truth interfered,attacking both men,but interfering nonetheless; Lost to Del Rio at Hell In A Cell after ADR used a lead pipe on him; Lost at Vengeance after interference from Kevin Nash; Lost to Ziggler twice after John Laurinaitis interfered in both matches. It's just the way it goes. The controversy helps to lengthen the storyline. Clean finishes at main events seem to be mostly reserved for ending big feuds.
Other than that,I can't think of any instance of a squash match involving Cena. He's more often than not,allowed his opponents to perform their moves and he's always sold them like he would in a big match. His match with Dolph Ziggler last year or in 2010 was pretty good for a Raw match,and I don't think he's ever buried anyone popular backstage either. He was one of the first guys on the Zack Ryder bandwagon and he's still plugging Zack Ryder merchandise and his twitter from time to time,and if reports are to be believed,he was pulling for the summer feud with CM Punk.
And I wouldn't call him ultimately defeating Nexus after 6 months a squash. When he faced them 7-on-1,he always got his ass kicked. He even had to join them for a while,until he finally got the group separated from one another and beat them with the help of others,before finally beating Barrett at TLC. Hardly a squash feud.
It's rather contradictory when people complain about Super Cena and complain about Cena squashing his opponents. Super Cena makes super comebacks from beatdowns delivered by his opponents. A squash means the wrestler gets in the ring and beats his opponent mercilessly for the most part and then gets the pin.It's either Super Cena or Squash Cena,it can't be both. As for not losing cleanly,the sad truth is that top faces don't usually lose clean. Take for example CM Punk. His losses at PPVs and recent matches after Money In The Bank haven't been the cleanest. Lost to Del Rio via cash-in; Lost to Triple H after Awesome Truth interfered,attacking both men,but interfering nonetheless; Lost to Del Rio at Hell In A Cell after ADR used a lead pipe on him; Lost at Vengeance after interference from Kevin Nash; Lost to Ziggler twice after John Laurinaitis interfered in both matches. It's just the way it goes. The controversy helps to lengthen the storyline. Clean finishes at main events seem to be mostly reserved for ending big feuds.
Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
If he has buried people it certainly pails in comparison to the amount of people he's put over. Sometimes it feels like he's buried a guy because of the way he's forced to wrestle as part of his character but if you retract that from him he's no longer John Cena. Take Wade Barrett for example, the face needs the win after an epic storyline like that but the way in which he did it left many people scratching their head because it seemed a bit overboard. But as I said, it's just the way he wrestles, if he's not supercena, he loses a lot of fans.
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He buried Nexus?!? If the storyline calls for Cena by himself stops Nexus then that is what he does. If the plan is for Umaga to be this monster heel just for Cena to overcome the odds then that's what he does didn't that same scenario work with Jeff Hardy. Cena burying guys is another lame excuse haters come up with, with no real backup. Nexus blame creative not Cena. Umaga blame creative they could've let Umaga get the title on RAW and lose it at the PPV or could've let him win the title at the PPV.
The face champ must always overcome the odds your seeing the seeds now with CM Punk. In his feud with Ziggler he has to overcome Ziggler,Vicki,Otunga and Laryngitis. If he pulls it off guess we're going to have to call him Super Punk and he's burying guys.
The face champ must always overcome the odds your seeing the seeds now with CM Punk. In his feud with Ziggler he has to overcome Ziggler,Vicki,Otunga and Laryngitis. If he pulls it off guess we're going to have to call him Super Punk and he's burying guys.
Cena buries kayfabe everytime he wrestles. His selling of moves, finishers especially is disgraceful. For a guy who has main evented since 2004-5, he should have at least shown some form of improvement with his in-ring ability. If anythnig, it has gotten worse. Cnea isnt in a position to bury anybody politic wise, he is a company man and does exactly what Vince tells him to do. That Vince has not made it an issue to have Cena become more believable in the ring speaks volumes about the lack of respect Vince has for the fans. He knows marks will fork out plenty of cash to see their idol even though he cannot lace up a pair of wrestling boots.
It amazes me that you say that about Cena and not Punk. Punk has been saying that del Rio is boring for quite some weeks, yet he never 'buried' him.
And Cena buried Nexus
. If it weren't for Cena no-one would would have ever noticed guys like Slater, Otunga, Sheffield. The feud with Cena made those guys relevant. That feud is the reason that the NXT season 1 guys are still on TV, as opposed to the guys from the other seasons.theBec2101
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I dont think Cena buried anyone really, Nexus they fell apart because of injuries and getting sent back to FCW. Ken Anderson, that wasnt Cena that was Orton. No one wants to lose there spot, but I dont think he buried anybody. He may do whatever Vice says but so did HBK and HHH. Remember the Screwjob. His ring skill arnt bad either you just have to go back and look at what he did when he first arrived. I dont know if you know this but he only does his couple main moves because its scripted and has time restraints.
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Well Cena made Batista look like a complete idiot in their feud (which he was, but that's another story) by humiliating him in their Last Man Standing match, making him tap and beating the living hell out of him in their I Quit match. But that didn't matter at that time because Dave was leaving. His matches on RAW and Smackdown are sometimes annoying. Take for example his matches with Barrett and Swagger. Both of them were dominating but then Cena hit his "5 moves of Doom" and won. Same thing with his "I Quit" match against The Miz.
However Cena has never completly burried anybody. Even on the mic. Guys like Austin, Rock, HHH used to burry their opponnents during their promos. Do you remember how Cena was standing there swallowing each and every shot of CM Punk? Killing Del Rio's gimmick wasn't such a big deal. He was already lost.
Cena being at the top is an constant problem. Why? Because a new face of the company can't rise with Cena holding that tittle. A small break or a heel turn could benefit every other top face, as it could give them the chance to rise to the top. Look how The Rock benefited from Austin's injury. Look how Bret and Yokozuna benefited from Hogan's departure. Look how Austin benefited from Hart and Michaels' departure. Hogan's heel turn gave every other face become big. Austin's heel turn made Angle, Rock and Jericho look big. That's the way a Cena turn could benefit the roster. But still, that's not a burial, because it isn't in Cena's hand to make the call in order to turn heel.
About the fact that he barely looses clean. Austin never lost clean from 1998-2001 and in 2002. Hogan never lost clean when being on top. Same with HBK and HHH. I have never seen anybody critisizing Austin. And The Undertaker have never put anyone over at Wrestlemania. Is that a burial? Hell no. If Cena turns heel, then yeah, make him everybody's bitch. Like The Undertaker was to Austin. But while being THE TOP GUY, why should he loose clean? There's no point.
However Cena has never completly burried anybody. Even on the mic. Guys like Austin, Rock, HHH used to burry their opponnents during their promos. Do you remember how Cena was standing there swallowing each and every shot of CM Punk? Killing Del Rio's gimmick wasn't such a big deal. He was already lost.
Cena being at the top is an constant problem. Why? Because a new face of the company can't rise with Cena holding that tittle. A small break or a heel turn could benefit every other top face, as it could give them the chance to rise to the top. Look how The Rock benefited from Austin's injury. Look how Bret and Yokozuna benefited from Hogan's departure. Look how Austin benefited from Hart and Michaels' departure. Hogan's heel turn gave every other face become big. Austin's heel turn made Angle, Rock and Jericho look big. That's the way a Cena turn could benefit the roster. But still, that's not a burial, because it isn't in Cena's hand to make the call in order to turn heel.
About the fact that he barely looses clean. Austin never lost clean from 1998-2001 and in 2002. Hogan never lost clean when being on top. Same with HBK and HHH. I have never seen anybody critisizing Austin. And The Undertaker have never put anyone over at Wrestlemania. Is that a burial? Hell no. If Cena turns heel, then yeah, make him everybody's bitch. Like The Undertaker was to Austin. But while being THE TOP GUY, why should he loose clean? There's no point.
I really got sick of reading people keep saying "Cena just does as he's told, blame creative"...Cena is THE guy in WWE. You don't think they'd listen to him if he said "this doesn't seem right, this would be more helpful for the company"? Of course not, they'd do it a heartbeat...Cena (and Rock) buried Miz & R-Truth before and during Survivor Series.. The sad fact is Awesome Truth were just 2 bodies in there to facilitate Rock & Cena being at odds (and I blame Rock as much as Cena. He made it quite clear he didn't care about his opponents and didn't really seem threatened by them).
Then there was Miz a few years ago...Yeah Cena was always going to win their PPV blow-off, that was a given, but he could've at least made the match competitive...He destroyed Miz and finished him in about 5 minutes. Closely followed by no-selling Miz's "steel" pipe shots before a PPV match earlier this year and, honestly, I can't see Miz ever being taken seriously as a equal opponent for Cena.
Someone quite rightly pointed out that Punk's been just as bad at burying Del Rio on the mike as Cena...Between the two of them they completely destroyed the slim chance of Del Rio with his (then) current gimmick entrenching himself as a top level heel.
Don't blame Cena entirely for what he does but, honestly, he has a lot more sway over what happens then people think. Hell, he's a fan of wrestling, surely he knows what is best for the fans?
Then there was Miz a few years ago...Yeah Cena was always going to win their PPV blow-off, that was a given, but he could've at least made the match competitive...He destroyed Miz and finished him in about 5 minutes. Closely followed by no-selling Miz's "steel" pipe shots before a PPV match earlier this year and, honestly, I can't see Miz ever being taken seriously as a equal opponent for Cena.
Someone quite rightly pointed out that Punk's been just as bad at burying Del Rio on the mike as Cena...Between the two of them they completely destroyed the slim chance of Del Rio with his (then) current gimmick entrenching himself as a top level heel.
Don't blame Cena entirely for what he does but, honestly, he has a lot more sway over what happens then people think. Hell, he's a fan of wrestling, surely he knows what is best for the fans?
sajsSAMynwa1892
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Cena buries out of laziness and incompetence, i dont think he means to, but no selling is one way to completely destroy a wrestlers credibility and he did that to the miz AND r-truth earlier this year, and has routinely been phoning in performances for several years. if he performed like HE CAN against batista and umaga in the past every week i think he would get a lot more respect
Mustang Sally
Sells seashells by the seashore
Yes, he is.....and if there's anyone in WWE who has the power to countermand the directions of management, it would be him. The company knows his importance and is well aware they can't afford to alienate him.
Naturally, none of us knows what really happens behind the scenes....and just because Cena seems like a great guy in public doesn't mean he's that way in real life. So, if the only thing we have to go on is what we see on our TV screens, I would think he has been more agreeable to work with than just about anyone in the business.
One could give a thousand examples of things they've seen and how they translate to real life, but the thing with John Cena that sticks in my mind is the Nexus program. He was frequently placed in a (kayfabe) hopeless situation, and several times the way the scene played out forced him to run from the ring and hightail it to the back of the arena. Can you imagine Hulk Hogan or Triple H doing that? Two men like them (who were similar to Cena in the pull they had with management) would have single-handedly beat up the seven Nexus guys and done a pose-down in the ring afterward.
Instead, Cena allowed himself to be portrayed as a human being with limitations who realized it was smarter to run now and live to fight another day. It's scenarios like this that make me think Cena doesn't use his massive influence with the company to sacrifice other performers in his wake.
It's just a gut feeling, but I believe he really is the great guy he's portrayed to be. To that end, I don't believe he buries anyone......quite the opposite, in fact.
Just out of curiosity am I the only one who reads the other posts in a thread before making my own? This thread has mainly 2 posts in it: #1 Cena buried this guy and that guy & #2 No he didn't, he did what he was told to do. So be it, let me add yet another post to #2. There is a difference between burying someone and winning a match (although winning a match may be the results of burying someone). Burying someone is when you go backstage and whine and bitch out to the boys in the office, hoping that someone in charge will want to stroke your frail little ego by "punishing" the person you bitched about. When Cena feuded with Nexus and Umaga, and whoever else, it was all scripted to go that way because that's what vince wanted. Like it or not, Cena has been the top guy for a long time and Vince wanted to keep it that way. If you are sick of Cena, don't blame Cena, blame Vince. All those guys that lost matches to Cena, did so because Vince WANTED them to lose, NOT because Cena refused to job. Most of the time burying is done because a wrestler doesn't want to lose his spot but I think it's pretty damn obvious that Cena is in no danger of losing his spot anytime soon.
He buries everyone by his no selling. Take his match last year w/ Miz and Riley. He gets killed for 20 minutes and then just like that he putds Riley thru a table and taps Miz out 10 seconds later like he just went thru a walk in the park.
Did the same w/ Orton in the I Quit match a few years ago when Orton killed him w/ everything and then he gets the cuffs and hes all of a sudden 'healed." It just so annoying. Even last week he was "sufficated" by Kane and is "layed out" and then less than a minute later hes saving Ryder and selling nothing.
Hes has put nobody over clean(unlike Orton and Punk) in years.
Did the same w/ Orton in the I Quit match a few years ago when Orton killed him w/ everything and then he gets the cuffs and hes all of a sudden 'healed." It just so annoying. Even last week he was "sufficated" by Kane and is "layed out" and then less than a minute later hes saving Ryder and selling nothing.
Hes has put nobody over clean(unlike Orton and Punk) in years.