What's so great about John Morrison?

Hey guys this guy does breath taking moves so he's now cemented as a spot monkey. That makes sense.

No. Just because a guy does crazy things in the ring does not mean that he's just a spot monkey nor overrated. I agree with whoever said earlier that the phrase is overused. He's getting WAY over with the crowd, he puts on tons of 5 star matches and if you disagree or think that he's just a spot monkey then yeah buddy you really DON'T get it. Morrison is absolute entertainment and has probably the best natural look in the business. If he can just bump his promo-game up a little bit then he should strike gold, literally. I don't get how someone can NOT understand this guy.
 
John Morrison has a lot going for him. He has a great look, a ton of athletic ability, and seems to have an innovative mind when it comes to picking out spots.

However, he has a lot that needs to be worked on. As mentioned, his mic skills are very bad. Very bad. He pulls the heat away from a segment when he starts talking. People mention other champions who were poor on the mic, but these are by far the exceptions. Without the ability to sell a feud in an interview or the like, Morrison will never be able to get an angle over the way others who are more gifted on the mic, will be able to.

Ring psychology and his tendency towards being a "spot monkey" hold him down. People aren't keen on Morrison because of his ability to tell a story in the ring, they get excited by his very impressive spots. He needs to build more than that. He needs to be able to convey a beginning, middle and an end to the story in the ring, not just setup his spots. He might just need more time with some top dogs to do this. A feud with HHH or Undertaker would be perfect to help him in this regard.

His moves are "spotchy". Starship Pain is incredibly visually impressive. Unfortunately, it misses more often than it hits. IT makes the opponent look bad when they have to lay there for the three count, after Morrison's leg kinda grazed them. Sometimes I get the impression that Morrison is just trying too hard to have those visually impressive moments. Maybe he needs to practice a bit more, or maybe he needs to tone down the outrageous moves a bit and work smarter, rather than harder.

To me, he's a work in progress. If he gets his mic work up (and maybe a heel turn would be very helpful there) then he might be main event worthy. As is though, he strikes me as an upper level mid-carder.
 
theres nothing wrong with his mic skills. remember the dirt sheet? classic stuff from him and the miz. he just doesnt play a good face, which isnt halping him because his moves are very flashy and over the top, like a face would be. yes he has become a spot monkey as of late but u cant deny he is a tremendous wrestler.
 
What's interesting about these kinds of threads, is that it seems they are born out of people reacting to other people; it's not like Morrison has done anything to offend anyone, the bad reaction seems to stem from how fans of his celebrate him which causes others to voice their displeasure. It's a forum after all. I just don't get why people try to force others to change their mind.
The question, "What's so great about John Morrison?" is subjective, so there isn't going to be a hard and fast answer to it everyone can agree on. A lot of criticism aimed at him is down to his mic skills, but a lot of praise comes from his in-ring work; in contrast, you can say the opposite is true of the Miz who is champ but has been carried in most, if not all of his matches as champ. What I'm getting at is it's easier to be carried in the ring, but not as easy to be carried on the mic so WWE will have to decide how they address that issue if they do indeed want Morrison to get and stay in the Main Event picture.
I've read some rumours that Vince isn't that high on him, at least not enough to push him as hard as Miz, but remember the same was said for Miz and Cena at earlier parts of their career too. The guy has time on his side, so let's just see how it pans out shall we?
 
I kind of agree with Heartachetonight926. Way too much people call JoMo and others overrated. JoMo has never won the world title before, he's lost to The Miz, how many times? Four times I think, and just because people cheer for Morrison he's overrated? Thats ******ed, people have a right to say who they like, and just because he gets mega cheers, he's overrated? I like him definiely, sure his mic skills suck ass, but the man pays it off in the ring. Sure, he's flexible and has nice spots and lacks a lot of tecnical skills. But are his matches bad? Please tell me, because I enjoyed The Miz vs him in a falls count anywhere match. I enjoyed his feud and matches with Sheamus, who didn't? Especially that ladder match they had which was great. Who can forget his matches with Dolph Ziggler and Rey Mysterio? Those matches were awesome, thats why I like Morrison, he makes great matches. He really knows how, and thats why John Morrison is great, he makes great matches unlike most younger guys in WWE these days; excluding Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston and others obviously.
 
he isn't very good on the mic because he isn't allowed to be himself. If he was a cocky bad guy he would get over more.. He is 10x better in the ring then the Miz and about equal on the mic..
 
John Morrison's current popularity is a result of good booking more than anything else. That, however, does not mean that he is totally shit though. He was a mere spot monkey when he first started out but he has gotten more rounded in the ring as time has progressed and has had some good matches even without amazing spots. On the mic he is pretty bad but then I do think that it would be best if the WWE do not hand him the mic that often.

Frankly, I think that WWE have found out the correct way to push him and that is to use his athleticism as a selling point. Of course, it remains to be seen how far he can go from here. I think that he will end up as a guy who will main event occasionally but will mostly occupy a place on the upper midcard.
 
Good list, which actually helps me prove my point. I wasn't saying Morrison should never be champ, I was going for the possibility that even he did become champ, his lack of mic skills would prevent him from being a consistent headliner. He could conceivably become champ, but would soon be relegated to the midcard soon after his reign (for future reference, i mean midcard to upper mid card) Let's break down your list and see how the past supports my argument.

Bob Backlund - The guy had Above Average mic skills. Became champ, lost it within 3 days or so, back to mid carding

I think you're confused. You're refering to Backlund's second "run" with the company. At that time he was far older and past his prime. But in his first "run" with the company he held the championship for YEARS and was the face of the company during that time. And no, Backlund didn't have above average mic skills.


Andre The Giant - He had Bobby Heenan as his manager and talker,one of the greatest managers of all time. Besides, Andre was already a superstar and all time great even before he won the WWF title. Here's a fun fact for you, his WWF title reign lasted 15 seconds.

Yes he only had a very brief reign as champion, but you were referencing roles as main eventers and headliners. Andre the Giant was a headliner for YEARS, and didn't need the championship to be in the main event scene. You're right though, Andre was a superstar before he won the championship, which is the point. He was without any mic skills.


Ultimate Warrior - He has no mic skills obviously. His promos were rants basically. But they fit in with his character. And his in-ring skills weren't that great. Going back to the point, after he won the title, what happened to him? Back to mid carding, never the same success.

Not a valid point. Ultimate Warrior dropped out of the main event scene after his first run with the title solely because of back stage problems and coming and going from the company sporadically. That had nothing to do with him as a wrestler. The WWE would've had him as one of their top stars for years and years if he hadn't messed that up continually because of personal problems and business issues. Morrison isn't in that situation.


Yokozuna - He had Jim Cornette and Mr. Fuji as managers, they did the talking. After a one year dominant run as WWF champ, he lost to Bret Hart at WM X that started the Bret Hart Era. He went back to mid-carding.

Once again this isn't a valid comparison to Morrison. Yokozuna was a dominant champion for a year without any mic skills. The only reason he dropped from being a main eventer was ENTIRELY because of his weight issues, otherwise he'd have continued to be a consistent main eventer. Obviously Morrison doesn't have those problems.

Jeff Hardy - I'll be honest, I never followed Hardy's title reign. But from what I gather, he went back to mid carding and is now in TNA nowhere near WWF main event status

Incorrect again. Hardy was a top main eventer right up until he left the company, and now he's a top main eventer for TNA. TNA may not be on WWE's level, but Hardy is still one of their top stars and World champions. And he has no mic skills doing so.


Kane - Had Paul Bearer talking for him, that's true. And he held the WWF title for one day when that happened. When he lost Paul Bearer and developed his mic skills, he went his championship reign last year. But after how many years was that? And where is he now? Back to mid card.

Who cares whether he had a short championship reign once? He just had a long championship reign most recently, too. And Kane may have gone up and down from main event to mid card, but he's still consistently been put in the main event scene over the course of his entire career in the WWE. That's a fact.


Benoit - He had the WM 20 moment. Then what? Lost the title after 5 months, went back to mid card

Just because you lose the title doesn't mean you're not in the main event. If you're still competing for the championship regularly, and still in main event level feuds, then you're a main event level star. And before Benoit's death and the whole fiasco that revolved around it, Benoit was about to be the ECW champion and the top star on the ECW brand, which could've easily brought him right back into the main event going into the future.


Goldberg - He had below average mic skills. But at least he was on the mic, which I can't say the same for JoMo who is NEVER on the mic. We can never tell where he would have went as his contract was one year, which was basically a 8 month reign as main eventer plus WM match with Brock.

Goldberg was a main eventer in WCW for years. He was one of their top stars for years. He had no mic skills doing it. When he came to the WWE he was right in the main event, won the championship. Yes, his time in the WWE was short, but he was always a main eventer throughout his career and that would've continued. Despite him not having mic skills.


The point with Morrison is, history is not on his side. IF HE DOESN'T develop the mic skills, sure he can get a title run, but what happens after? If the JoMo fans out there just want to see him win the title, then don't worry, it's going to happen sooner or later. Just don't be surprised if he's back to the mid card after his reign.

But if the JoMo fans out there want him to succeed and become a consistent main eventer, then they at least have to acknowledge the need for a manager or drastic improvement on the mic.


No, there's no reason why John Morrison can't be a consistent main eventer for years to come. His mic skills aren't that bad, and certainly not as bad as some people seem to be making them out to be. Hell, he's in high profile feuds and competing for the World titles even now, and is always excelling when he does in those matches and feuds (which is why his popularity and star is on the rise).

And I feel your view is confusing, since many main eventers move up and down from the mid-card when they're not in the title picture. It's all about a cycle, a star will feud for the championship for a while and then eventually someone will take their place and the odd man out will feud with someone else in a more mid-card level until he's back up in a run for the championship. Chris Jericho has done it time and time again, but he's always a main event star. Kane is the same. CM Punk, too. Rey Mysterio. The list goes on and on. Look at Sheamus right now? He's been champion several times and in the main event, but over the past while he's been in mid-card feuds. He'll be back in the main event, and a champion again, though. He's a future star for the company, just like Morrison will be.
 
His mic skills aren't as bad as everyone says I loved him and the miz on the dirt sheet amd I remmeber on smackdown he cut a promo on drew mcintyre and he and miz both cut promos on jesse and festus so I think his mic skills aren't terrible b:lol:ut do need work :lol:and for in ring ability his moves are like shawns his flashy and innovative and it took shawn 8 years to win his first wwf championship so I see morrison being a main eventer
 
For the most part I agree with the OP. Morrison does nothing for the most part except for his random spots. I am not necessarily against "Spot Monkeys", I have always enjoyed guys like RVD, Sabu, the Motor city Machine Guns, but the difference between their spots and John's are their spots actually seem like they hurt. Most of Morrison's are done in such a way they so obviously dont connect, especially Star-ship pain. Just in the Raw Rumble Monday night, they set up the spot where John tried it on Cena and whoever it was he had in the STF (I forgot who it was right this second) but either way Morrison did Star-ship pain and clearly missed and Cole or Josh Matthews one tried to cover for it by saying something to the extent of "I think Morrison's elbow hit Cena".
Another thing that bugs me about "JoMo" (besides when people call him ""JoMo") is his whole gimmick right now is the Parkour crap, which WWE acts like is on the cutting edge of culture, when it's popularity really peaked like 5 years ago. I mean really, who cares about parkour anymore. Yet it will be mentioned at least a dozen times when John Morrison is in the ring.
So anyways, I have never cared for Morrison and see him going the route of Shelton Benjamin, and after years of frustration of him never making it to that next level, Morrison will be future endeavored.

A couple things. People always talk about how he botches Starship Pain (and I am one of them). That being said, doesn't some of the blame come on the person getting hit with the move? They are usually the ones that fall onto a certain position on the mat, and are usually overshot by Morrison. They are always too close to the corner. If they would just move back a bit, he would hit it each time. Simple physics dictate that with the amount of spinning and flipping, he is going to have to go out from the corner just as much as up. If people would poisition themselves in the same spot as people are for Gabriel's 450, Starship Pain would hit more often.

On the parkour thing, you say it peaked 5 years ago. I just saw a commercial for some show of Discovery HD (I think) for a parkour series based out of Seattle, so there still must be some draw.

Even with all that, I do agree that he needs a different finsher. I think the knee to the head works great and looks devestating. I also agree with the person that commented on the disparity between his Jim Morrison rock-star entrance and his new parkour persona.
 
No, there's no reason why John Morrison can't be a consistent main eventer for years to come. His mic skills aren't that bad, and certainly not as bad as some people seem to be making them out to be. Hell, he's in high profile feuds and competing for the World titles even now, and is always excelling when he does in those matches and feuds (which is why his popularity and star is on the rise).

And I feel your view is confusing, since many main eventers move up and down from the mid-card when they're not in the title picture. It's all about a cycle, a star will feud for the championship for a while and then eventually someone will take their place and the odd man out will feud with someone else in a more mid-card level until he's back up in a run for the championship. Chris Jericho has done it time and time again, but he's always a main event star. Kane is the same. CM Punk, too. Rey Mysterio. The list goes on and on. Look at Sheamus right now? He's been champion several times and in the main event, but over the past while he's been in mid-card feuds. He'll be back in the main event, and a champion again, though. He's a future star for the company, just like Morrison will be.


Good points on the former champions, I'd like to rebut you on them, but that would be going off topic. I'll just mention Backlund's mic skills. Of course I was referring to the second run, because I douby we have any way to see his mic skills during the first run. But he had above average mic skills. Especially when he was all "old school versus new school" and quoting Churchill and what not. He was pretty interesting.

In any case, all the guys mentioned were already main eventers or of main event caliber. I'm not saying that Morrison will never get there. With the way he's being pushed, he probably will get there.

My point was Morrison's glaring lack of mic skills. He's hardly on the mic which denies him the opportunity to hone his skills. I fear, and most likely it is going to happen, that without honing his mic skills, Morrison will get a title run, but then get relegated back to the mid card and no longer make it back up top due to the lack of mic skills.
 
Like its been said multiple times, People that get any kind of push or recognition, they get the dreaded and over used ''smart'' quote..''Their over rated''

Its ridiculous, and NOT even entertaining anymore to talk about this stuff. Morrison is NOT a new wrestler, And you guys make it seem like he just got there two months ago.

He went from Tough enough, to Bishoff's croney, to M&M to Dirtsheet to solo. He is going through time, paying on screen dues, and has had many great matches. Are they Kurt angle vs Benoit matches , of course not, but be real, how many matches are that caliber nowadays. Our standards are WAY too high.

We bring up older wrestlers constantly, to compare them to the new ones, and it is extremely unfair. But what if I said, take away the stories/promos, I find most matches post 2000 to be better than before it. Yeah, I do, and I bet that would get me critiqued like Im a new wrestling fan. But Im not. Im 27 and Ive watched it since I was 3. I also know that we need to stop being so harsh on the wrestlers we see.

It seems like the IWC wants 40-60 minute matches full of false finishes and chain wrestling with every single wrestler in the game. And its unrealistic. Watch Japan or the rip off japan wrestling in ROH.

Morrison is as good as you'll get in a flier in the WWE. He is a decent talker, but do me a favor, Show me someone thats on Ric flairs level on the mic right now...Don't worry...Ill wait...
 
Morrison is a great wrestler,and a lot of people love him.Maybe he is a little bit overrated by some of his fans,but I guess that's not a big problem.
 
Morrison is next RVD. He's a daredevil, he's extreme, and he's put on some great matches. And it seems he's really giving himself fully to the company like The Miz. WWE loves it when you give yourself fully to the company. All of his matches have been great and his match with The Miz on RAW was the best match of the year besides Edge vs Kane.

Expect this guy to main event a lot.
 
I have to say, Morrison does have room for improvement but so does everyone is else in the company. John Morrison isn't on HBK's level YET, but they have some similarities.

John Morrison is great in the ring, no questions asked. Did you not see his RR preformance? That was just plain skill right there. He did a fantastic job in the Raw Rumble, too. His WWE Championship match with the Miz was great, as well. Morrison was always decent in the ring, but lately he has been stepping it up.

His mic skills have a lot to be desired, but on the other hand, he's never given any mic time to try and improve. His few promos with Sheamus were okay, I guess. His in-ring skills make up for it though.

Morrison has a great look. His hair, pants, pants, glasses, pyro, everything. He's not the biggest guy in the bunch, but you don't necessarily need to be big to be succesful.

All in all, Morrison is a fantastic competitor in the ring, has a great look, and could use some work on the mic. He is well deserving of his push, though.
 
Morrison is probably the most athletic wrestler in the business. Not only that, but he's over with the crowd. Sure, he's bad on the mic, but there are worse. Morrison is a Jeff Hardy type. Spot monkey who can put on a great match, but can't talk for his life. That being said, Morrison is great. He can put on a great match with just about anyone. So that's what's so great about Morrison.
 
Ok, I can't take it anymore... I have to know. Why the hell do people praise John Morrison?

I agree with you 100%. At about 185 pounds he has a good physique but his in ring work...his actual wrestling (from moves, to believable punches/ kicks he really is not too good. To be even mentioned along w michaels is insane..and a major insult to michaels. have those people even seen morrison run ropes? Aside from his high school level gymnastics demonstration he is only average in a era of wrestling which is lacking stars. Of course he'll be pushed to the moon because who else is there to push?

John Morrison is one of the very FEW young guys who actually has any real talent.

Number one... Morrison is about 34 or so... is that 'young', lol.? I think WWE is referring to about 25 or so or at least UNDER 30 as being young. Secondly, the miz can actually wrestling.. Morrison can not.
 
Morrison is 30, or 31. THAT is still quite young (though he wont be able to keep his style into his late 30's).
Mike D, you actually said "the miz can actually wrestling.. Morrison can not."
By this statement I can tell you haven't actually watched Morrison wrestle lately, and are blind to the Miz's poor in-ring work.
Your grammar sucks, your information sucks and so does your post.
 
John Morrison has bad mic skills and amazing in ring ability. He said "You're a bully Sheamus!" Yeah and LayCool run around like teenagers acting like highschool meangirls calling people fat. Morrison could do a hell lot better if he had something to work with. What was he supposed to call Sheamus? Seriously, under the PG era? "Hey Lobster Head!" Seriously? Morrison can keep me entertained in a match the whole time with his high flying moves. I think with Morrison if he actually gets the title he will have a lot more to work with especially with his mic skills. If you give Morrison the wwe/world heavyweight title (after he improves his finisher and some of his moves) I think his mic skills will improve. WWE barely even give him the mic to improve his mic skills so what do you expect? As far as I can see Morrison is very close to being the whole package. He has the look, is pretty damn good in the ring (just needs a few touch ups), his mic skills are bad to decent, his over with the crowd, I'm not sure how his sales are but they must be decent-great. His sales will go up anyway if he gets a major push.

I don't think people should compare Morrison to HBK though.
 
I am sick of hearing the word Spot Monkey. There's nothing wrong with a guy that does a bunch of exciting shit like that anyway. I like to watch "Spot Monkeys". Second, Morrison's got the look. He puts on an entertaining match. The only thing that's missing is mic skills, and you can win the world title without them. Ask Chris Beniot, Jeff Hardy, and the Great Khali. Ok, so Khali's a bad example. But damn it, it's true.

The point is that Morrison's got the makings of a star, and he is damn good at what he does. He's provided us with the best Royal Rumble save in history and two fantastic Falls Count Anywhere matches for the title, which I'm placing bets right now, will become his speciality match.

The point is, Morrison may lack mic skills, but he's top notch in everything else- and it certainly makes up for it. He's over like a mother fucker right now.
 
For me John Morrison is really someone who deserves a main event feud, only on the basis of his in ring ability. The guy is dire on the mi though, as his voice sometimes sounds unbroken, and some of his ad lib work is awful.
 
morrison isnt the worst but he is def over rated.

i remember his title match the spot where he jumped off the raw sign. it wasnt even that good he hit a-rye more then he hit miz and they kept acting like jeff hardy just jumped off the titan tron.

and how many times did he need to get the point across in the rumble that he had good balance?

hes def over rated, starship pain he missed the other night on raw it was embarassing
 
Ok, I can't take it anymore... I have to know. Why the hell do people praise John Morrison? The guy is without a doubt the biggest spot monkey to ever grace the ring... ok second biggest because Ebassan is always number one, but then again he's cool, so again Morrison's the biggest.

Seriously though, I get that the guy does all of these high risk spots and everything, and he has the best natural physique in the entire WWE, but the guy is NOT WWE or World title material. At best, he's an IC title competitor who gets title shots but never wins. And for people to compare him to Shawn Micheals is a slap in the face to the Showstopper. John Morrison hasn't done anything close to what Shawn Micheals has accomplished... except hold the tag and ic titles...

Unlike Shawn Micheals, John Morrison has absolutely NO mic skills and his ring work has a lot left to be desired. Anyway, maybe the guy's just not my cup of tea, but until I can find one thing that warrants him good enough to be a world champion he'll always be a jobber to the stars.

Completely agree with everything you said. I have said it once, but i'll say it again, the starship pain is botched more often than it is hit. Yes, it looks freaking cool, and takes ridiculous practice to perform etc etc, but he botched it again on RAW when he went for it on Cena and someone, can't remember who, he barely grazed Cena, yet both Cena and the other guy (Cena had him in the STFU) had to sell a move that did nothing, and even Cole saying 'The impact of Morrison's elbow into Cena bla bla'... annoys the shit out of me. He completely missed and it just looks stupid when we all know he missed it, yet they still have to sell that it was hit.

Just my opinion but i think he should just stay in the IC Title picture, unless he is feuding with Miz, in which case i just want to see it no matter what title its for..
 
wow. expected this to be a short forum but this has lots of stuff in it. props to the forum creator.
a couple points that i really didn't see answered...
anybody that doesn't see the similarities between HBK and Morrison are either complete HBK marks or just too young to remember HBK pre- "Heart Break Kid"
- as a Rocker he hardly ever talked and the reason was that he (and Marty) were, yeah you guessed it, spot monkeys with no promo abilities. sounds like JoMo.
- established himself in tag teams before going solo. difference is that HBK went heel while JoMo went face. still sounds alike though.
- HBK, when he first whent heel, was still a spot monkey and had a flashy entrance and sparly clothes. yup, ditto
- HBK, was seen as a mid-carder ONLY and never capable of main eventing. relegatede to being "the guy who gets thrown out of the rumble after a few good spots" it's true. undeliable. go watch his first 3-4 rumble appearances. oh btw, same for Morrison.

anyone who says they aren't going the same path just refuses to acnowledge HBK in his first decade. which brings me to the biggest difference. Time. HBK had tons of time to work on his character. JoMo is at about Half of Shawns career when he became the HBK we know. Sadly thats the one thing we never give superstars anymore. Time. As a whole the E universe thinks that 2-3 years should be plenty to become stars. EVERY star worth talking about (minus The Rock) had plenty of time to hone their character. Some even had at least a decade to do it (HBK). So, in 10 years we'll have the same chat on how the "Spot Monkey" of that era won't compare to the Brilliance that is John Morrison (or whatever 3 letter nickname he has).

oh on another note i wanted to remark on. My favorite star of all times was never good on the mic. he was so bad at promos right away he had to wear sunglasses just to cover his nervousness on camera. Brett Hart. so you dont need great mic skills to be champ. just determination and time.
 
Completely agree with everything you said. I have said it once, but i'll say it again, the starship pain is botched more often than it is hit. Yes, it looks freaking cool, and takes ridiculous practice to perform etc etc

You think it matters whether or not the move connects fully? It doesn't in the slightest because the Starship Pain is all about the flash. as long as some part of Morrison's body hits the opponent, it's a killshot. Also, most of the fault of the move not hitting is the opponent's. Morrison really cannot vary the distance he travels horizontally when performing the move. If the opponent falls too close to the turnbuckle he's barely going to connect.

but he botched it again on RAW when he went for it on Cena and someone, can't remember who, he barely grazed Cena, yet both Cena and the other guy (Cena had him in the STFU) had to sell a move that did nothing, and even Cole saying 'The impact of Morrison's elbow into Cena bla bla'... annoys the shit out of me.

See above for why Cena deserves a lot of the blame for the bitch. And like I say, the fact that the move barely connects is irrelevent because it looks so fucking cool.

He completely missed and it just looks stupid when we all know he missed it, yet they still have to sell that it was hit.

Wait, pro wrestlers sellling moves that didn't hit? I've never seen that before...

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Just my opinion but i think he should just stay in the IC Title picture, unless he is feuding with Miz, in which case i just want to see it no matter what title its for..

Thing is though, Morrison's over enough to main event a PPV, and good enough to carry the title for a transitional reign. Leaving him in the IC title division eternally is simply a waste of his tallents.
 

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