What makes Wrestling ''LOOK FAKE''?

[medz]

What i mean by this is what moment or spotmakes wrestling look very staged and fake? I have come up with two very good answer's


1. high flying over the top rope: this is just the blatantly reason wrestling looks fake, there have been times where a wrestler(usually a high flyer) will be getting ready to run and jump over the top rope onto you.


There have times wrestlers have just stood there for about a good 15 seconds, (i am talking tna mainly in this explanation here),
looking at the wrestler ready to jump on him, when he could have moved out of the way by the time they jump, daniels is a notable person who does this, how can you believe, wrestling is real when a man stand's there looking at you for a period of time, knowing you are gonna try to jump on him and just stand there?, completely stupid.


2. the dudley's whats up headbutt : every fucking time they go to do this, the referee will immediately turn his back on the action and start arguing with one of the wrestlers on the apron, only to turn around right after the d-von does the headbutt, very convenient(see also taker's last ride in the corner).


3. the main event ref bump: this happens nearly exclusively in main event matches 80% of the time, and sometimes the weakest of stuff such as a elbow drop on a referee, or accidently whip a wrestler into a corner. where the referee is ironically standing, can keep them down for such a long amount of time.


4. the boo, yay, boo, yay, punching spot: the most obvious fake spot in wrestling, yeah it can be entertaining, but seriously you can play a tune to how it will go, boo,yay,boo,yay,boo,yay,boo,boo,boo,boo,yay,yay,yay, why are wrestlers gonna stand there and trade sloopy punches with each other.


these are my opinions comment if you like, but most importantly..........GIVE ME YOUR OPINION.

 

[ch46745]

What i mean by this is what moment or spotmakes wrestling look very staged and fake? I have come up with two very good answer's


1. high flying over the top rope: this is just the blatantly reason wrestling looks fake, there have been times where a wrestler(usually a high flyer) will be getting ready to run and jump over the top rope onto you.


There have times wrestlers have just stood there for about a good 15 seconds, (i am talking tna mainly in this explanation here),
looking at the wrestler ready to jump on him, when he could have moved out of the way by the time they jump, daniels is a notable person who does this, how can you believe, wrestling is real when a man stand's there looking at you for a period of time, knowing you are gonna try to jump on him and just stand there?, completely stupid.


2. the dudley's whats up headbutt : every fucking time they go to do this, the referee will immediately turn his back on the action and start arguing with one of the wrestlers on the apron, only to turn around right after the d-von does the headbutt, very convenient(see also taker's last ride in the corner).


3. the main event ref bump: this happens nearly exclusively in main event matches 80% of the time, and sometimes the weakest of stuff such as a elbow drop on a referee, or accidently whip a wrestler into a corner. where the referee is ironically standing, can keep them down for such a long amount of time.


4. the boo, yay, boo, yay, punching spot: the most obvious fake spot in wrestling, yeah it can be entertaining, but seriously you can play a tune to how it will go, boo,yay,boo,yay,boo,yay,boo,boo,boo,boo,yay,yay,yay, why are wrestlers gonna stand there and trade sloopy punches with each other.


these are my opinions comment if you like, but most importantly..........GIVE ME YOUR OPINION.

I agree with you on all of that. I also hate when the wrestlers slap their thighs while they kick to make it sound like they kicked their opponent real hard but it comes of really noticeable and horrible( especially when Mysterio does it). Also when Orton and HHH do their knee drops sometimes because their knees land like 3 or 4 inches away from their opponents heads at times.

 

[Kurt Angle]

Just on a side note abnout the kicking,this is what Sheamus did at the Royal Rumble.He went with slow kicks and a terrible camera angle showed him slowly slapping his leg as he kciked Randy off.Terrible.I think If wrestling used a more realistic style,not using cheap pops most of the time (See ROH) is what wrestling needs.Long Technical classics are the bets classics,in my opinion,we don't need Sport's Entertainment.We Want Wrestling-Not Enteratinment.

 

[Mustang Sally]

The "art" of punching. Obviously, a wrestler isn't supposed to land true punches... because if he did, we'd end up with a lot of unconscious people. How well a performer delivers a punch (and, of course, how well his opponent sells it) is a key element to a "real" looking wrestling match.

In my opinion, no one makes a fake punch look real better than Randy Orton. When he delivers, it's as if I can feel it.....even as it's obvious his opponent wasn't really hurt by it.

On the other side, I think the phoniest looking punches were delivered by Steve Austin. Despite his legendary status as the greatest of all brawlers, his punches were pathetic......they looked like little love taps and were delivered in too rapid a sequence to seem as if they could have had any real effect.

Take that, Stone Cold.

 

[Davi323]

I would say the Big Show's punch is far more devastating looking than Ortons...

But, what makes it look fake is inconsistency. If a finishing move is supposed to be a finishing move, it should work like one. If wrestler A uses finishing move on wrestler B, they pin and win. If wrestler A uses the exact same finishing move on wrestler C(ena) they attempt the pin, he kicks out, even after its done multiple times...the same finishing move that can take out 80% of wrestlers when used a single time, can't put out another wrestler even after being used 3 or 4 times consecutively? Ridiculous. Things like that kill any suspension of disbelief.

Tag Team matches that involve main eventers. These guys routinely face off one on one for 15 minute plus singles matches on PPVs etc and can't be pinned yet, but, pair them up, put them in a tag team match, and they can be in the ring for 5 minutes, and desperately need a tag, they roll to the floor, and amazingly are so beat up, they can't function...despite the fact that they took far less punishment so far in the tag match than they would in a singles match. Basically, that a wrestler's stamina somehow seems dependent on the amount of wrestlers in the match. The more wrestlers involved, the weaker everyone's stamina is. We can see Shawn Michaels and John Cena go for an hour without a pinfall in a non-ironman match, (4/23/2007 MNR) but, put either one in a tag match? They are completely spent after 5 minutes. Bullshit.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

The Staredown:

I know this happens in just about every other sports entertainment- You see it in boxing and MMA all the time. But it doesn't look staged on the grounds that there is management, officials, and just about every other higher up also watching "The Staredown". Realistically if a punch were thrown in this it could turn into a lawsuit since they aren't in a ring.

But wrestling, alas, usually doesn't feature a higher up in attendance when ex. Batista gets in John Cena's face. Realistically, if I were either one of these cats the other guy would have suffered a right hand blow. It's not boxing or mixed martial arts- it's two guys with maybe a referee standing present and that's it. I don't know to me that isn't at all realistic.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

a bunch of bimbos trying to wrestle is really pathetic
like kelly kelly she tumbles for what seems like forever just to deliver a pathetic elbow ha
they have good female wrestlers namely mickey james (she still in the wwe?) Gail kim who is just a jobber now and beth pheonix who is close to being the same

Mickie James got booted out of the WWE weeks ago.

also something else is the smarks chanting you cant wrestle or other stupid crap like boring boring boring...meh they should just get booted out of the arena...i hate when they boo face characters even tho they suck just sit there and be quiet

Sit there and be quiet..cuz that's entertaining as hell on tv..Not.

Personally, I appreciate the fans getting animated over the matches, because sometimes certain face characters get boring as shit *cough Cena cough* and they need to chant something like "boooring" if the match really is a downer and "you can't wrestle" is perhaps one of the best ways to tell the WWE Universe you don't like the guy they are selling to you's skills.

You're a paying customer (well, most people here are)- You better raise your voice and chant your chants if you want to see better. That's the 1st Ammendment in action in the U.S. Sit there and be quiet so they will think they are doin a stand-up job giving you guys with no skills on the mic or in the ring...so they can give you more of the same old boringness. Smart.

I can agree with you on certain unrealistic moves like Atomic Drop and most of the women's moveset- but I can't agree that voicing your opinion has anything to do with this thread. If anything it makes Live wrestling matches seem more real. Tell a thousand paying people to shut up and see how realistic that would look.

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Another unrealistic thing...steel chairs. Seriously, how many times do you see this item used in a real fight? You will see bats, brass knuckles, canes, and someone's cast before you will see a chair being used in a fight. That's one of the most uncommon things to use really.

 

[Lady Sheamus]

I would say the Big Show's punch is far more devastating looking than Ortons...

But, what makes it look fake is inconsistency. If a finishing move is supposed to be a finishing move, it should work like one. If wrestler A uses finishing move on wrestler B, they pin and win. If wrestler A uses the exact same finishing move on wrestler C(ena) they attempt the pin, he kicks out, even after its done multiple times...the same finishing move that can take out 80% of wrestlers when used a single time, can't put out another wrestler even after being used 3 or 4 times consecutively? Ridiculous. Things like that kill any suspension of disbelief.

Tag Team matches that involve main eventers. These guys routinely face off one on one for 15 minute plus singles matches on PPVs etc and can't be pinned yet, but, pair them up, put them in a tag team match, and they can be in the ring for 5 minutes, and desperately need a tag, they roll to the floor, and amazingly are so beat up, they can't function...despite the fact that they took far less punishment so far in the tag match than they would in a singles match. Basically, that a wrestler's stamina somehow seems dependent on the amount of wrestlers in the match. The more wrestlers involved, the weaker everyone's stamina is. We can see Shawn Michaels and John Cena go for an hour without a pinfall in a non-ironman match, (4/23/2007 MNR) but, put either one in a tag match? They are completely spent after 5 minutes. Bullshit.

I agree with this, especially with that about finishers.

For me, sometimes a wrestler's gimmick itself makes things fake(er), especially when it comes to the Undertaker. A dead man wrestling? Why would he be interested in wrestling at all? He's constantly threatening people with their souls or their lives but we see them on television the next week/night. lol I just cannot get into it because I can't suspend disbelief. Same with Cena and maintaining the same pattern. Suddenly he's gotten a massive second wind and beats up his opponent. It entertains children but it's an insult to an adult's intelligence.

 

[Lady Sheamus]

better just to cheer face or boo the heels i just hate when people chant derogotory things that break kayfabe your not supposed to boo the face goodddddddd it makes it look fake. thats been toned down alot havent heard boring boring in quite some time either you cant wrestle but booing the face cmon man i dont like cena but i wouldnt boo him. he probably has the best work ethic of any wrestler. half of the show is crowd reaction. i know there is other people who could do without the you cant wrestle chants or boring or booing face namely cena...i despise cena but i wouldnt boo him because it brings focus off the macth and it really makes it pathetic...even tho i agree with the guys but why make the match worse by chants that shouldnt be there

I can understand where you're coming from with this. On the one hand, people shouldn't be muzzled and I absolutely HATE a dead crowd, but on the other hand it can be really annoying. The people who hate certain wrestlers and paid to be there are sitting next to people who love the same wrestlers and also paid to be there, so you end up with a lot of confusion. For people who don't know what's going on and are just going/watching to enjoy, it can be confusing.

Wrestling seems fake(er) to me when I watch a new match and it seems like I've seen the match before. This happens for me with Cena matches and Divas matches, (for the latter,) especially on RAW. It's funny, though, b/c people have called other wrestlers like Shelton Benjamin "lazy" when (at least to me) he showed great work in the ring, but John Cena does do the same thing over and over and is not called "lazy". Of course, politics have to be taken into account. Not a Cena hater at all, but still - that just sprang to mind.

I hate when they do punches in wrestling, too - that's something that makes things look really fake to me, especially given people aren't knocked out or bruised as a result. Sometimes they're funny, though.

 

[LigerBomb]

Fake shit is fake:
Obvious talking/calling spots, botched spots, people immediately re-trying botched spots, strikes that don't connect, people who bump even though strikes don't connect, stomping your feet/slapping your thigh to produce impact sounds, setting up complex structures to perform spots with rather than trying to win, creeping up a ladder or structure ludicrously slow waiting for your "opponent(s)" to cut you off, repeated punches to the face that never leave damage, not tapping out after a submission is locked in regardless of the joint's integrity, contrarily, poorly applied submissions that people stay in even though there are clearly ways out, any move where the opponent has to jump in order to help with the move, blade jobs, the entire concept of the Irish-whip or rebounding off the ropes, most Indy workers entire move sets...

The more you do the above the more fake stuff looks

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

What are you all bitching about? Is this all stuff that you want changed? Would you rather this be technical, "real" wrestling, with ground combat based on submissions and pins? Or would you rather them scrap the "wrestling" all together, and just have fist-fights in the ring, MMA-style?

There's not much else to do to make strikes look real aside from actually hitting your opponent, and you can't do that, or else you'll see some guys with incredibly short careers. Remember, these guys are borderline body builders. Imagine taking a punch square in the face by Big Show or Mark Henry.

 

[trendkiller]

One of the more annoying things to me is when Wrestler A kicks Wrestler B in the gut and then, as Wrestler B doubles over, Wrestler A charges away in the totally opposite direction, to "bounce off the ropes" and do a move. If you've got a guy double over, punch him in the face or something, don't run off into the distance and then *come back* like a tool, only to be bodyslammed by the now-recuperated Wrestler B.

Just saying

And btw...

Imagine taking a punch square in the face by Big Show or Mark Henry.

Just because a dude is big doesn't necessarily mean he's got punching power; it's based on technique, not strength alone. Sure, it'll probably HURT, but how badly? I sure wouldn't want to be punched by a guy like Santino Marella, Chavo Guerrero or CM Punk - guys that have actual training and technique to their strikes.

Again... just saying

 

[Jack-Hammer]

If you're unwilling to suspend disbelief, then it all looks fake. However, I personally don't mind wrestlers slapping their thighs or chests to get that sound when they punch someone. The live crowd always reacts nicely when they hear it.

One thing that makes wrestling look extremely fake is a match full of high spots. I was watching AAA this weekend and most of their matches look like absolute shit. Each one seems to be made up of little more than high spots, don't be surprised if you see at least a dozen or more suicide dives in a single match. Another big sin is shittily selling moves and is probably the overall biggest sin in wrestling in my opinion. One reliable way of spotting bad wrestlers is how well they sell their opponents moves during a match.

 

[shattered dreams]

I think the way WWE wants their wrestlers to do top rope/high flying moves is really sad. These guys are really talented in that area but in the name of excessive safety almost all we get is really mechanical movements often ending with minimal impact or blatant catches. It really takes the steam out of the moves for me. Let the guys work it a little bit and make it seem more real, they are clearly talented enough to do it better than they are allowed to.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

The most fake thing in wrestling for me is the ultimate X match. The match is nothing but a spot-fest and you see them setting up EVERY spot from almost a mile away, it gets especially bad when there is 6-8 guys in the match as almost every move looks extremely fake, they are impressive moves, but moves should have some sort of realism and a realistic setup (like when Benjamin springboarded into a superkick, THAT LOOKED REAL). The thing about wrestling is as a fan you have to suspend your belief, but its almost impossible to do that in an Ultimate X match, how can I believe this match when a guy is 2 feet away from winning the match, then for some reason decides to perch himself on the wire for like 2 minutes (while the X is 2 feet away mind you) until his spots set up, then does a move off the wire instead of WINNING THE MATCH, wrestling is supposed to be about winning right? You want to win your matches right? Well in an ultimate X match it seems like the only person who goes for the X these days is the person booked to win it.

 

[shattered dreams]

The most fake thing in wrestling for me is the ultimate X match. The match is nothing but a spot-fest and you see them setting up EVERY spot from almost a mile away, it gets especially bad when there is 6-8 guys in the match as almost every move looks extremely fake, they are impressive moves, but moves should have some sort of realism and a realistic setup (like when Benjamin springboarded into a superkick, THAT LOOKED REAL). The thing about wrestling is as a fan you have to suspend your belief, but its almost impossible to do that in an Ultimate X match, how can I believe this match when a guy is 2 feet away from winning the match, then for some reason decides to perch himself on the wire for like 2 minutes (while the X is 2 feet away mind you) until his spots set up, then does a move off the wire instead of WINNING THE MATCH, wrestling is supposed to be about winning right? You want to win your matches right? Well in an ultimate X match it seems like the only person who goes for the X these days is the person booked to win it.

I think this is the use of the hot button word "fake" that angers wrestlers. Everything they do in any match is real. In an ultimate x match many of those spots are actually quite dangerous. There is nothing fake about flip/jump/falling from some of the distances they do there. They can get for real hurt. Maybe some people cannot suspend their disbelief in some of those setups but that does not make them "fake."

 

[Poop Master Flex]

I think this is the use of the hot button word "fake" that angers wrestlers. Everything they do in any match is real. In an ultimate x match many of those spots are actually quite dangerous. There is nothing fake about flip/jump/falling from some of the distances they do there. They can get for real hurt. Maybe some people cannot suspend their disbelief in some of those setups but that does not make them "fake."

Did I say it what they did was fake? NO, so don't act like I'm calling it fake, the best word is pre-determined, but don't talk to me like I don't understand the dangers because I do.

Now back to my point, the setups in an Ultimate X match look extremely fake, in my original post I said the moves looked quite impressive and obviously they hurt like hell, I'm not denying that, but you got to understand that the only reason these guys do these incredibly dangerous spots is because they have no ring psychology, so they just do spots in order to get noticed (or because their boss told them too, but those situations don't happen as much as you think, most of the spots are because of the wrestlers THEMSELVES decide to do it (especially in an ultimate X match), so they put themselves in danger, thats THEIR decision). The Ultimate X match looks fake because its a spot-fest, the spots are set up way in advance, I know wrestling is pre-determined, but it should still come off as realistic, if a bunch of guys are having a ultimate X match, everyone is out of the picture but 1, realistically that person would try and win the match, but in an ultimate X match, he sets up a spot from a mile away and waits 5 minutes until someone PURPOSELY walks in front of him so he could do his spot, it just looks extremely fake, if it looked realistic, the guy would grab the X, win the match, and go home, simple as that.

 

[Daniel]

In no way do I think that wrestling is fake. I can see that there are some aspects that can be controlled, but not faked. You can't fake falling off a huge ladder. You can't fake a Orton punt. I know that wrestlers hurt themselves constantly by doing what they do.

However, professional wrestling by it's very nature, 'looks fake'. For example, the most regulary used move in wrestling looks fake if you compared it to a fight. I'm talking about the Irish Whip. Surely, if you were fighting, the last thing you would want to do is to created space between yourself and your opponent. Yet this is precisely what the Irish Whip does.

Wrestling moves in general 'look fake'. From the way wrestlers jump into them (some are better at concealing it than others) to the selling of the move. Take the Attitude Adjustment for example. The opponent has to jump into the move. Then, while they are on Cena's shoulders they remain still. Now, I don't know about you, but if I was in that position I would do everything in my power to try and get out of it. That is precisely the reason why people don't use wrestling moves in a fight. However, if you do ever use a move in a real confrontation, you are perfectly entitled to moonwalk away from the fight.

Ther is another integral part of pro wrestling which can give the appearence of it being fake. Selling. Or rather over-selling. You can go back to the attitude era and see The Rock being punched but acting like Stone Cold Steve Austin is constantly electrocuting him. Or you can look at Evan Bourne now and see him take a clothesline like he has been hit with a brick. Either way over-selling makes it look fake. Wrestlers staggering to there feet or crawling slowly across the mat also seems implausible.

There are so many factors which make wrestling 'look fake'. So many that I could write line after line about them and still not include everything. In no way an I complaining that wrestling doesn't look real. Because the fact is, I don't care if there are aspects of wrestling which look fake. It doesn't bother me because I love it for what it is, sports entertainment.

 

[CH David]

For me it is two things. One is improper selling. I see quite a bit of it, and it comes out more in the end. When Cena does his no-sell (and no, I'm not bitching about Super Cena, I enjoy him) towards the end of a match, if someone has been working on his arm or leg the entire match, it is a waste.

KB brought it up in I think his Summerslam 2002 review, Edge had his shoulder worked on for the majority of his match with Eddie Guerrero, and used that same shoulder for the spear to win. Eddie spent the match working on Edge's shoulder, only for him to no-sell it at the end. What the hell is that? I understand wanting the face to comeback and look strong, but if you are getting worked on, there is no real way you would come back unless you were literally given a shot of adrenaline.

Second, ring psychology. There are so few wrestlers who use psychology now, and it sucks. I don't see too many people target a specific spot, and keep going after it all match long. Like Chris Benoit, he would always go for the shoulder and neck area, because his finisher would target that area. Flair always worked the legs because the Figure Four would work on the legs. Going back to SS '02, Triple H worked on HBK's back because it was a great target with Shawn coming back from that same injury. Is it really that difficult to target an area of strength on your opponent, either to take away said strength, or to set up for your finisher? For Rey Mysterio, wouldn't you target his legs so he can't jump off ropes or speed around?

Those two, especially in the WWE, are key for me.

 

[Kurt Angle]

I hate Irish Whips that do nothing and I hate the inconsistency with moves.I mean come on,A Superplex has way more impact than an Attitiude Adjustement,though somehow Cena gets pinfall.Finishers should be the ulitmate in uniqueness and impact and it should be completely different to every other move,move's like the Batista Bomb and Knockout Punch just make wrestling look fake,because everyone else does it for no pinfalls.

I also hate the comcept of finishers.I hate the cheap pop that the wrestlers get when they hit their finishers.Wrestling should be similiar to MMA in the two guys use lots of normal moves until one is so knocked out that he can't lift his shoulder,and maybe just a move that one wrestler uses more than another.