Ty Burna's All Hip Hop Thread

[Ty Burna]

The biggest difference between what Psychopathic Rydas do and what Rick Ross did, is that the Rydas use beats that are already popular. A lot of artists do this and release mixtapes with them rapping over popular beats. Krayzie Bone has been doing this as well lately with his Fixtape albums he has been releasing. These mixtapes and more independent artists are not making near the amount the mainstream artists are on a retail album. Rick Ross stole a beat from Murs before Murs ever got to release the song, it may not have been as popular if Murs used it, but the fact remains he made the beat and Ross stole it for his retail album, not a mixtape. Also often times these artists get permission from the original artist to use the beat for the mixtape.

Using popular beats on a mixtape has been sort of a staple of mixtapes coming from the south, especially H-town artists. Chamillionaire, Lil Flip, and Slim Thug are some notable artists that have done this.

 

[Big Sexy]

Every artist that makes a mixtape takes beats from mainstream rappers. It is one thing to take a beat that has already been used and reuse it, and a completely different thing to take a beat the original artist never got a chance to use. It makes it even worse that it was a mainstream guy like Rick Ross taking from an actual talented artist in Murs.

 

[Razor Blade Dream]

Hm, this is slightly off the current beat stealing topic but has anyone ever attempted to freestyle, rap battle or even try to make a full blown song? I make beats on Garage Band for Mac and I write rhymes but I never got to freestyle or battle.

 

[Pimpin]

Hm, this is slightly off the current beat stealing topic but has anyone ever attempted to freestyle, rap battle or even try to make a full blown song? I make beats on Garage Band for Mac and I write rhymes but I never got to freestyle or battle.

I make beats by using the FL Studio program on my laptop & I go to a studio in LA to do freestyle & shit like that on occasion. Now on Battle Raps, I've never done that nor have I found the time to do that, but it would be interesting to do.

 

[Razor Blade Dream]

I make beats by using the FL Studio program on my laptop & I go to a studio in LA to do freestyle & shit like that on occasion. Now on Battle Raps, I've never done that nor have I found the time to do that, but it would be interesting to do.

A buddy of mine, who really opened my eyes with hip hop, we go back and forth with rhymes all the time but mostly it was goofy and involved old WWF wrestling, haha. The past few weeks though I have been getting serious with rhyming and I'm always walking around and muttering rhymes to myself to see what works and writing it down. I think I'd be way intimidated stepping up in a battle rap or even freestyling in front of strangers as of right now. I need to build up a hell of a lot of confidence. I would really love to do it though.

 

[Pimpin]

A buddy of mine, who really opened my eyes with hip hop, we go back and forth with rhymes all the time but mostly it was goofy and involved old WWF wrestling, haha. The past few weeks though I have been getting serious with rhyming and I'm always walking around and muttering rhymes to myself to see what works and writing it down. I think I'd be way intimidated stepping up in a battle rap or even freestyling in front of strangers as of right now. I need to build up a hell of a lot of confidence. I would really love to do it though.

On the building confidence thing. I would freestyle in front of a few of your friends & just think of them as strangers in order to try to build up confidence. I know that has worked for me in the past whenever I want to like spit out a few rhymes here & there. If your really serious about rhyming, I would suggest either using any of your connections for like if you wanna record shit or just record it on your computer. I think they have a program for that though.

 

[X]

Figured I'd add another quick little review/recommendatin for this thread from my personal collection. This is one of those albums that I played endlessly back in the day. Guess I'm kind of going with an "Underrated Rappers" theme so far in my reviews.

Big L --- Lifestylez Ov da Poor and Dangerous

Another one of the most underrated MC's of his generation, this was tragically the only album he released while he was still alive (The Big Picture came out after he died and is another fantastic album). The man was also among the most feared freestylists of his time, and the perfect example of his creative and complex skills is the song "98 Freestyle" which was also on The Big Picture. But onto this album itself.

There are East Coast gangsta gems all over his first album. From the opening of the beat on the first track "Put It On" you know you're in for a good time. L showcases all of his skills right away, going from intelligent to menacing to hilarious within the same song with a smooth delivery that's among my favorites. Up next you've got "M.V.P." using a sample from his fellow New Yorker Biggie's "One More Chance". Instead of the romantic mood the original might bring up, Big L takes it the other direction and instead comes off menacing. He tells you he's the rap game's MVP, and god damnit you believe this man. I won't go off on every song, because literally every track on this album is classic stuff, but I will mention two of the crew songs on the album.

The first one is "8 Iz Enuff" and it's one of my favorite rap songs of all time, probably best known for featuring Killa Cam (Cam'ron) on one of his earliest tracks, y'know, when he was still good. Everybody on this song bring their A game and the beat hits you hard. Just when you think the first verse by Big L can't be topped, each following verse is more complex and ridiculious, just a fantastic song. 5 minutes cataloguing some of the best young talent from Harlem and New York at the time with some of their sickest verses.

The other one is just as good as 8 Iz Enuff, and that's "Da Graveyard". This one features a young Jay-Z on one of his very first recordings, and the verse he cuts in this song is probably my favorite verse from the man, ever. Everyone also brings their A-Game on this one, but Jay's verse really shines as the best on the song, check it out guys.

Overall, a fantastic album with a ton of other great songs like "No Endz, No Skinz", "Street Struck", and "Danger Zone" among others.

Rating --- 5/5


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[FromTheSouth]

OK, so if everyone had one rapper to listen to for the rest of their lives who would it be? Second question, if you could only listen to rap from one city, what would that city be?

My answers are very easy to guess. I would pick Z-Ro as my rapper. I feel that, for the last ten years, no one has put out more consistently tight songs. He may never get the mainstream fame he deserves, but he has sold more than two million records underground, and has made a very nice living doing songs with Mya, Ashanti, Scarface, UGK, and Jay Z. He can sing his own hook, and do all his own reggae. He never sold out, stayed real, and happened to capture the emotions and problems in the hood like no one else.

Listen to any of his solo releases, SLAB albums, or ABN albums and you will see an evolved artist.

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Of course, the city I pick would be Houston. I would get Z-Ro, Trae, UGK, Geto Boys, Slim Thug, Chamillionaire, HAWK, Fat Pat, Lil Keke, SLAB, ABN, etc. I would be stuck will Paul Wall and Mike Jones, but I could get past that garbage. I think that this is where the best rap comes from. The flow is smoother than New York's choppy styles. The lyrics are truer to what life is like, and the ballin rap is limited.

This is a small sampling of some of the guys, but to capture the true flow of the city, check out the Dead End Alliance album, or the HSE - Hustlaz Stackin Endz.

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[Big Sexy]

OK, so if everyone had one rapper to listen to for the rest of their lives who would it be? Second question, if you could only listen to rap from one city, what would that city be?

The first question is much tougher then the second one. I like so many rappers that it would hard to just pick one to listen to for the rest of my life. If I had to do it I would probably go with Eminem. He's my favorite rapper and the one that I listen to the most.

For the second question it's easy. I'd go with Detroit. Everyone obviously knows about Eminem, but Detroit has so many great, underrated rappers. Royce Da 5'9, Proof (RIP), Elzhi, Obie Trice, Trick Trick, Esham, D12, Big Herk, Black Milk, Guilty Simpson. One of hip hops most underrated producers J Dilla (RIP) was also from Detroit.

Here's a few songs from Detroit Rappers.

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[Ty Burna]

Fts, I plan on answering your question in a moment, but first I'm pretty disappointed right now.

I read on ballerstatus.com just a bit ago, that one of my favorite artists Chamillionaire is planning on ending his Mixtape Messiah series, and possibly stop making mixtapes all together. On top of that, his third retail album Venom was canceled and he'll be going back to the lab to create some new music for a different untitled retail album. So I'm disappointed for two reasons, one is Chamillionaire was at his best on his mixtapes. I love his retail albums, but his mixtapes allowed him to something different that some mainstream people may not have liked. Hell, I started listening to Cham because of the original 3 CD Mixtape Messiah he released. Secondly, I was looking forward to his Venom album when it came out, as some of the songs he previewed on his mixtapes sounded dope. He will release Mixtape Messiah 7, and that will be the last mixtape he will release.

Now onto your question Fts, if I had to choose only one rapper to listen to for the rest of my life, it would have to be Krayzie Bone without a doubt. He's got a versatility that no other rapper could match. He has one of the quickest flows ever, and at the same time he can slow it down with a real dark and gritty rhyme, and then switch it up to a more laid back singing like flow.

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I put this song on here just to show what Krayzie can do for a song. If he wasn't on this track, it would be shit. He basically made that song, and it's a club banger too, which is rare for Krayzie to make.

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As far as what city I would choose, that would be a toss up between Kansas City and Houston. Kansas City has some great artists on the underground scene, and Houston has a plethora of great artists to choose from. It boils down to this, Strange Music with Tech N9ne, Kutt Calhoun, Krizz Kaliko, and former Strange Music artists Skatterman and Snug Brim vs. Dope House Records with SPM, Chamillitary Entertainment with Chamillionaire, artists such as Slim Thug, Lil Keke, Trae, Z-Ro, Lil Flip, and the list goes on. This is a difficult choice really because Midwest hip hop is my favorite style, but I love H-town rap as well. I may have to go with Houston just based on the amount of artists to choose from.

 

[Rizza]

OK, so if everyone had one rapper to listen to for the rest of their lives who would it be? Second question, if you could only listen to rap from one city, what would that city be?

To the first question, I will go with GZA. I don't necessarily consider him to be my favorite rapper, but I think I could listen to him for a long time without getting bored, because his lyrics are so complex that I still uncover puns, metaphors ,and rhymes that I could even take in the first couple times listening to it.

My choice for the second question is Brooklyn, NY. For me Brooklyn just has a lot to choose from so I would be set on variety and quality if I had to just choose one city. With rappers like Jay Z, Talib Kweli , Biggie (RIP), Busta Rymes, Heltah Skeltah, Papoose and Gangstarr and with three members of Wu coming from there(RZA,GZA,ODB) it really makes this a easy answer for me.

 

[Razor Blade Dream]

One artist for the rest of my life? Damn that is tough, I'd probably go with Ghostface just because when he gets in a flow the shit he comes out with are mind boggling sometimes. He even admits that sometimes he doesn't know what the hell he is saying and it just flowed right at the moment. Also, "Kilo" is one of my favorite songs ever for some reason.

And I would go with Brooklyn as well. There are just so many legends that came from there. You can't deny the power of Brooklyn when it comes to the rap game.

 

[LamaNamaneumi]

I would pick TWIZTID, I know they are a duo but... Every cd they put out I think is great.

What other city would I pick than the 313... D-Town... DETROIT so many rappers... Esham,Blaze ya dead homie, ABK,ICP, Big Hurk, King Gordy,D12,Awesome Dre,Eminem,Merciless Ameer,The ROC, Even KID COCK used to flow back in the day.

MOTOWN is not dead it just went UNDERGROUND.

 

[Razor Blade Dream]

Off the current topic but I'm looking forward to the collaboration known as Slaughterhouse which is Joe Budden, Royce Da 5'9, Joell Ortiz & Crooked I. I'm a big fan of rap groups, like the Wu and Tribe Called Quest, so I'm pretty pumped to see what these guys are going to drop. I like Budden, his Mood Muzik mixtapes are awesome.

 

[Ty Burna]

So I've bought Mos Def's newest album The Ecstatic off iTunes and I've been bumpin it all day today here. While listening to it, I almost forgot how damn good of a lyricist Mos Def really is. His wordplay is one of the best in the business, but you don't see a whole lot of hip hop heads talkin about him. He brings a new unique style to hip hop that's a slice gangsta, and a whole lot of old school feel to it. Not only this but he picks out some sick beats to flow over.

Anyone else appreciate Mos Def and his abilities? I remember when Black star with him and Talib Kweli came out, that was completely out of this world. Talib is in his own right a very highly rated lyricist, and you throw him in with Mos Def, well you get a hip hop album that's probably one of the single greatest lyrical albums to come out in quite some time.

 

[Razor Blade Dream]

So I've bought Mos Def's newest album The Ecstatic off iTunes and I've been bumpin it all day today here. While listening to it, I almost forgot how damn good of a lyricist Mos Def really is. His wordplay is one of the best in the business, but you don't see a whole lot of hip hop heads talkin about him. He brings a new unique style to hip hop that's a slice gangsta, and a whole lot of old school feel to it. Not only this but he picks out some sick beats to flow over.

Anyone else appreciate Mos Def and his abilities? I remember when Black star with him and Talib Kweli came out, that was completely out of this world. Talib is in his own right a very highly rated lyricist, and you throw him in with Mos Def, well you get a hip hop album that's probably one of the single greatest lyrical albums to come out in quite some time.

I've always appreciated Mos Def. I think "Mathematics" is one of his illest tracks. I'll have to pick it up one day. I have so many friggin albums to get, haha.


Anyone check out Jay-Z's "D.O.A. Death of Autotune?" Shit is tight. I highly recommend it, Jigga just goes off on everyone and really seems to lay into Lil Wayne. And the music itself is an interesting choice I think.

 

[X]

Mos Def is mos def-inately (see what I did there?!) underrated. The original Black Star album is up there in the annals of the hip hop hall of fame if you ask me, probably one of the most explosively creative debuts by a duo ever. It's just track after track of ridiculious beats and complex rhymes. Not to mention Talib Kweli on his own is one of the best rappers in the game today, so add into the mix the already incredible Mos Def and there was no way that album was going to suck.

Extending on that alternative hip-hop train of thought, I thought I'd just post a couple of songs from one of the best hip hop groups of all time, and one of the most underrated. A Tribe Called Quest is the group I speak of, and I'm sure they are already very familiar territory for most of my fellow hip hop fans here. But just in case you aren't, you need to be. Aside from De La Soul, no other group was more important in the evolution of alternative rap and especially jazz-rap. Q-Tip's delivery is one of my favorites, it's smoother then a menthol cigarette. Phife is also extremely underrated and the perfect partner for Q-Tip. These two guys play off of each other so well it seems like they've known each other for their entire lives. All three of their first albums, "People's Instinctive Travels And The Paths Of Rhythm", "The Low End Theory", and "Midnight Marauders" are bonafide five-star classics that should be on any rap fans shelf. Personally my favorite album of theirs if "The Low End Theory", as it's just track after track of insanely catchy and hard-hitting beats with ridiculious lyrics delivered by two fantastic voices. Great shit, probably my favorite rap "group" ever. De La Soul is the only other group I can think of that can rap about the most kid-friendly things as cavities and still sound menacing as fuck.

Anyways, heres a few random songs.

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Enjoy that shit.

 

[Razor Blade Dream]

xfear, The Tribe is fuckin amazing. I love how they have that jazz-rap sound like you've said, I just wish they were still around. Granted, Q-Tip's solo stuff is good but I've said earlier that I love rap groups or even duos because of the different elements of style each person brings to each song. I think hip hop needs more groups or duos.

 

[Pimpin]

So I've bought Mos Def's newest album The Ecstatic off iTunes and I've been bumpin it all day today here. While listening to it, I almost forgot how damn good of a lyricist Mos Def really is. His wordplay is one of the best in the business, but you don't see a whole lot of hip hop heads talkin about him. He brings a new unique style to hip hop that's a slice gangsta, and a whole lot of old school feel to it. Not only this but he picks out some sick beats to flow over.

Anyone else appreciate Mos Def and his abilities? I remember when Black star with him and Talib Kweli came out, that was completely out of this world. Talib is in his own right a very highly rated lyricist, and you throw him in with Mos Def, well you get a hip hop album that's probably one of the single greatest lyrical albums to come out in quite some time.

I agree. I downloaded Mos Def's newest album The Ecstatic off of Limewire this morning & I gotta say, it's a damn good album & it makes me realize that he is one of the more underrated rappers in the game today that is being overshadowed by alot of whack bitches. He is a great lyricist, his wordplay really is one of the best out there today, his music has alot of old school feel to it, but it's just plain wrong about how this guy doesn't get very many people in hip-hop talkin about him cause he realy is a phenominal talent.

 

[Ty Burna]

X, nice call on A Tribe Called Quest. I have every CD of theirs, and get a very good constant amount of time in my playlist. Q-Tip has been one of my favorites for quite some time (not Top Ten, but definitely Top Twenty). Speaking of hip hop groups, I want to discuss now who you think are the best groups of the hip hop genre, current or past. I believe this calls for a list:

1. Bone Thugs-n-Harmony - Well did y'all see this coming? Did ya? Of course I'm going to put Bone Thugs-n-Harmony number 1. I don't think I've ever seen a hip hop group that has worked together so well for as long as they have. 5 member, all ranging from good to great abilities on the mic. Many times you get artists that start off in a group, but break off and find greater success as a solo artists. The Thugs have released solo albums and continue to do so, but none of their solo work has reached the success or the quality that they can reach collectively as a group. The way they harmonize and can play off each other's rhymes is something that no other group could possibly reach.

2. NWA - The iconic, influential group straight outta Compton. The reach almost every artist has in the hip hop game is immense. They collectively brought gangsta rap to the mainstream and produced so many great songs in the short amount of time they stayed together. Eazy influenced the group above, Dre has influenced many acts including 2pac, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, 50 Cent, The Game, and the list goes on. Cube hasn't influenced many but he did help create the Westside Connection, another excellent group in their own right. Truly a shame that they didn't last long, because together, I think they were better than they are separately.

3. A Tribe Called Quest - Well we've already touched base on A Tribe Called Quest earlier, but they still deserve to be in this listing. They never really hit mainstream success like some other groups have, but it's all about the music quality and they brought alternative hip hop to a whole new level.

4. UGK - I had a hard time deciding between UGK or ATCQ at #3, so consider this #3B in a sense. UGK, Bun B and (RIP) Pimp C. These two were legends in the south before ever getting close to any sort of mainstream success. They have influenced a ton of southern artists, and together they've created some classic songs, my favorite being "Trill N****s Don't Die". If Pimp C didn't pass away, we'd be enjoying great music from these two for quite a few years, but Bun B will hold it down, his solo shit's been banging as of late.

5. Wu Tang Clan - Oh yes, you can't make a list of best groups and leave out the Wu Tang. These guys brought fire to the New York hip hop scene, and have been in the game for quite a few years. Method Man, RZA, Ghostface Killah, GZA, ODB, Masta Killa, Raekwon, Inspectah Deck, U-god, and unofficialy, Redman. That is just a plethora of great hip hop acts that are busy working and putting out some amazing music. Method Man has always had a sick flow and can make some banging songs, RZA is the master producer bar none, Raekwon is quality, GZA and Ghostface Killah have been working more in the alternative hip hop scene as of late, and of course when they release a Wu Tang Clan CD, well I don't think I need to tell you how incredible every single one is.

So there is my list of greatest groups, now its on you guys. List your favorite groups and of course, explain why.

 

[Big Sexy]

1. Wu-Tang Clan- The original super group in hip hop. Often replicated never duplicated. The talent in this group cannot be matched by any other group. It was 9 dope emcees who could all legitimately spit. On their own as individuals they were great and when they were together there was no other group that could match them. From Protect Ya Neck, to Triumph, Can it be All So Simple, C.R.E.A.M., they put out hit after hit. Every album is a classic and to me they are the best group ever.

2. Run DMC- They paved the way for a lot of rappers. Run and DMC both had great flows and Jam Master Jay is the greatest DJ of all time. Without a doubt they are the most influential group of all time. They brought a new style to hip hop and were very innovative.

3. N.W.A.- They brought gangsta rap to a whole other level. Dr Dre is the greatest producer of all time, Eazy E didn't write most of his rhymes but his delivery was amazing, Ice Cube wrote a lot of Eazy E's lyrics and he has an amzing flow, MC Ren is a very good rapper, and DJ Yella is one of the best DJ's ever.

4. A Tribe Called Quest- One of the more underrated groups of all time. All three guys had very good flows, especially Q-Tip. Can I Kick It, Check the Rhime, Scenario, they had so many great songs.

5. Blackstar- The reason I only have them at 5 is because they only put out one album together. But the album they put out is one of the best ever. Definition and Respiration are 2 classic tracks that everyone should listen to. Talib Kweli and Mos Def are two of the best lyricists in all of hip hop, so together they were unstoppable.

 

[X]

This is strictly for groups and not solo right? In that case, here goes.

1. Wu-Tang Clan - What can you really say about Wu-Tang that hasn't already been said? Everyone already knows the ways RZA revolutionized beatmaking. Possibly my all time favorite producer, with only Dre or the Bomb Squad in competition. Such a ridiculious amount of talent in this group, that it really is just absurd if you stand back and take a look at the members. Personally I've always felt GZA is one of the most underrated rappers ever. GZA really is the Genius his name implies, and I'd suggest anyone who calls themselves a rap fan better have a copy of GZA's "Liquid Swords" album. I mean jesus, Wu-Tang has GZA, Raekwon, and Ghostface Killah? Those three right there are in my top twenty rappers of all time. Then you've got even more talent with Method Man and ODB, not to mention RZA himself. I'll stop here, suffice to say that Wu-Tang is the greatest hip-hop collective of all time in my book.

2. Boogie Down Productions - Unfortunately it seems that alot of young rap fans getting into the music these days have no idea who KRS-One is. This, in my humble hip hop opinion, is blasphemy. The godfathers (AKA inventors) of gangsta rap, BDP remains to this day as hard-hitting and as menacing as the day their first album was dropped in '87. It would be unfair though to label them strictly as a gangsta act, because they mixed their menace with heavy doses of politics and black pride. BDP deserves a lot more credit for the evolution of rap then they are given, true originators.

3. A Tribe Called Quest - I've already posted about these guys a couple of posts back, so I won't go very far into detail here, but let me just express again how much I love ATCQ. Insanely catchy production, insanely smooth and complex rhymes, just all around amazing. Their first three albums are among the greatest in hip hop.

4. N.W.A - I know I'll probably get flack for having them so low on the list, but don't let that fool you into thinking I don't love the group. Another of the most talented collectives of rappers ever created, with Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Eazy-E and MC Ren (well and Yella too, but let's not mention him). Everybody knows about Dre, Cube & Eazy, but Ren I feel is very underrated. Some of his solo EPs and his debut album have some fantastic g-funk cuts on them that have been unfairly missed. Check out "All Bullshit Aside" by MC Ren, insanely catchy and dark g-funk beat. Straight Out of Compton is of course one of the greatest albums of all time, but *****z4Life is very underrated because of the absence of Cube. Not much else needs to be said about NWA, legends obviously.

5. Public Enemy - Without a doubt the most intelligent group in the history of rap. Really it's all about Chuck D when it comes to Public Enemy, but technically they are in fact a group. Flav has contributed some good stuff as well, with "911 Is a Joke" probably being the best thing he ever wrote. But when it comes to Chuck D, there are very few rappers who can play on his level. KRS is probably the only more intelligent and political rapper. Intense, rapid fire of political genius delivered with the spirit of a modern day black panther. Not to mention Public's resident producers, The Bomb Squad, who totally revolutionized beatmaking in their day. You can always recognize a Bomb Squad track because of it's intensity and creative use of sampling. PE owns your ass, end of story.

(Honororary #6} --- Run DMC

I'd also like to give some serious honorable mentions to the following groups:
Eric B. and Rakim
Geto Boys
De La Soul
Black Star
The Roots
Mobb Deep
UGK
Kool G. Rap & DJ Polo
Cypress Hill
Jedi Mind Tricks

Hey Ty, I've got a suggestion for the next little list idea. I was going to do it myself tonight, but instead replied to your list idea. Anyways, sometime soon we should pick out our favorite producers/beat makers.

EDIT: I can't believe I forgot to include Run DMC! May the hip hop Gods have mercy on my soul! I don't know how I slipped them from my mind, I've got everything they've ever made and listen to it constantly. I am hereby adding Run DMC as my honororary sixth choice.

 

[Pimpin]

1. NWA- I'm a big NWA fan as they are my favorite rap group of all time. With MC Ren, DJ Yella, Dr Dre, Eazy-E & Ice Cube together, they brought Gangsta Rap into the mainstream & have made a shit load of great tracks together like Fuck Tha Police, Straight Outta Compton, Dope Man, Gangsta Gangsta, Express Yourself & Always Into Something. Eazy had influence on Bone Thugs-N-Harmony & of course his son Lil Eazy-E, while Dre had a big impact on the careers of Snoop Dogg, Eminem, 50 Cent, The Game, his half brother Warren G & it just goes on from there, while Ice Cube brought us a very talented group in the Westside Connection. It sucks that they didn't last long, but there is hope that they reunite soon cause I hear that The Game might join, but who knows.

2. Wu-Tang Clan- What can truly be said about them that hasn't already been brought up. RZA is one of the greatest producers of all time right behind Dre & Da Bomb Squad. GZA without a doubt is one of the more underrated rappers in the game as he really is a Genius as his name implies just that & for further proof of that, just check out his Liquid Swords album & you will definitely know what i'm taking about. Fuck they got GZA, RZA himself & 2 really great rappers in Ghostface Killah & Raekwon. Shit they even got more great talent in ODB(RIP) & of course Method Man. Shit I ain't gonna list anymore as this would be a long, long, long post to read if that happened.

3. Run DMC- They helped pave the way for alot of rappers out there. Jam Master Jay is the greatest DJ of all time as I believe nobody ever can & will even come close to matching him in that aspect of the game. Both Run & DMC's flows are flat out phenominal as hell. They are without a doubt one of the greatest & more influential rap groups of all time & they were very innovative during that time period as well.

4. Public Enemy- Without a doubt one of the more intelligent & more political base groups in history of hip hop. When people talk about Public Enemy, they are more common to mention Chuck D, but they are technically a group. Flava Flav contributed some pretty good stuff for the group as the song 911 Is A Joke is one of the greatest songs i've ever listened to. There aren't many rappers out there that could play on the same playing field with Chuck D. Their delivery is amazing & their rhymes were always intense & politically based that you thought they were a modern day version of the black panthers or something. Da Bomb Squad produced alot of their sick beats & they too deserve alot of credit for what they did with Public Enemy.

5. UGK- Bun B & (RIP) Pimp C. Arguably one of the greatest rap groups to have come from the south. Legends before they made it to mainstream. They have influenced a lot of southern artists like Chamillionaire, Lil Flip & Slim Thug & together they have provided the fans with some classic songs as well. It's really unfortunate that Pimp C passed away as I truly believe that we would still be enjoying some new shit from UGK, but the great thing is is that Bun B is holding it down as his solo shit has always been great & I am looking forward to hearing some new material from Bun B.

 

[LamaNamaneumi]

Normally I would start listing groups from PSYCHOPATHIC RECORDS but I'm gona try to not list any, Also I'll try to list groups not yet said.

These groups are not my favs. but i wanted to get some more groups on here and mabey some of them you have not heard or even forgot.

Three 6 Mafia-Helped put Memphis on the map,some may say the sold out now but ignore their mark on hip/hop

Brand Nubian-Grand Puba,Sadat x,Lord Jamar,DJ Alamo,DJ Sincere no topic was off limits with this group. Grand Puba left the group early but rejoined later on check out the song PUNKS JUMP UP TO GET BEAT DOWN

.....As I said these are not my favs. but I have listened to a few songs and enjoyed them thoe i really dont know much about them...

JEDI MIND TRICKS
DILATED PEOPLES
KOTTONMOUTH KINGS
LITTLE BROTHER
GOODIE MOB
SLUM VILLAGE
THE ROOTS
......and the classics...CYPRESS HILL......BEASTIE BOYS.....and..NAUGHTY BY NATURE-Trech was in a class of his own i thought.

Well thats what I got,I could have just named PSYCHOPATHIC shit but i wanted to add something diff. Sorry I dont know a lot about the groups but did not want to list the same as others.

 

[Wavy Crockett]

Anyone else think Jay-Z's being a major hipocrite(sp) For that Death of Autotune shit? He calls it lame and disses the shit out of it but then goes "Oh but T-Pain, Lil Wayne and Kanye using it right". Shit doesnt sound right to me.

Peace.