Tuning up the WZ Band!!! [The Official Shawn Michaels HQ]

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

You know what I hate? When wrestlers who are just as talented as Shawn aren't given the chance to show that to the world because of that prick's politics. So I guess it all smooths out.

Who are those guys?

 

[Coco]

I could name names all the way up until WM26, but it wouldn't matter. They didn't have the lengthy classics and Shawn did, so you won't give them an inch.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

If Shawn Michaels vs. Taz happens, I could and probably will make a strong argument for Taz.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I'm also interested in knowing how HBK got so much backstage suppost in the first place. Yes he was a very good performer but you had other guys like Bret Hart who were just as good. Shawn also didn't exactly have the look, or what was supposed to be the look back in the day. So how did he gain so much influence in the first place.

 

[Coco]

Vince McMahon had a man crush. Simple as.

 

[Nate DaMac]

If Shawn Michaels vs. Taz happens, I could and probably will make a strong argument for Taz.

You sure could. But I could counter just about all of them.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I don't have to worry about regions and all that shit coming into play like it did two years ago. Taz in his prime would suplex HBK all over the ring the likes Michaels has never seen.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Jesus LJL, you're really taking this a bit too far. Taz over HBK? That's laughable.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

If Shelton Benjamin can beat HHH, then Taz can beat HBK. You must have not watched Taz in his prime.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

If Shelton Benjamin can beat HHH, then Taz can beat HBK. You must have not watched Taz in his prime.

Shelton took out HHH in this tournament? When?

And yes, I watched Taz during his time in ECW. I liked the guy a lot, but Shawn has taken out much bigger and badder guys than Taz. You are really making me look like a huge HBK mark by making these ridiculous posts

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I wasn't talking about the tournament. I was talking about Benjamin actually beating HHH in the ring in 2004.

 

[Coco]

I'm gonna be playing the "Who would win a real fight?" game. Shawn Michaels loses every time.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

I'm gonna be playing the "Who would win a real fight?" game. Shawn Michaels loses every time.

Agreed..even against Taz.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I believe a HBK/Mysterio matchup would be the best in this tournament if it were to happen.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Austin and Batista's careers didn't benefit from anything you just mentioned. So they're completely irrelevant.

Glad to see you brought the smoke and mirrors out of retirement, old man.

Austin aside..

Alright, so while Batista's Daughter making porn videos across the globe doesn't have a direct connection to anything related to Batista and Pro Wrestling.. let's turn the conversation to something just as relevant as your argument of HBK being a politic-machine..

If you refuse to vote for HBK, based solely on the fact that he only got where he is in his career because of politic'ing.. then I suppose this means Batista deserves even less, considering Triple H and Shawn Michaels collectively helped him (oh noes, politics) get to where HE is in his career.

Without Trips', Batista wouldn't have become half as good as he did. And he certainly wouldn't of gotten "the rub" in Mania matches, or Main Event profiles. So, is that relevant enough for you, son?

 

[DirtyJosé]

No.

 

[unxplainablr2dm]

Yes.

 

[Coco]

No. I hold acting excessively in his own self-interest against Michaels. People doing favors out of the kindness of their hearts for Batista isn't the same thing. In addition, anything Batista may have done for himself wasn't excessive as he was a big enough money maker to justify it, unlike HBK.

 

[gd]

This thread certainly is not helping his cause.

 

[Nate DaMac]

God damnit, Shawn was a money maker. Though he was at the top of the card when WWE was at it's lowesr point, who the FUCK else could have been at the top of the card? Who? The way I see it, WWE would have probably went under if it weren't for Shawn's politicking. Christ.

 

[DirtyJosé]

Shawn disappears = WWF sees it's best years ever.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

This headquarters appears to have lost its smile.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Shawn disappears = WWF sees it's best years ever.

Ok, well take Shawn out 4 years earlier than he went, when Stone Cold and The Rock were no where near the stars they would end up being. Try to convince me that the WWE would have found a way to stay afloat. Try it.

 

[DirtyJosé]

Weren't those 4 years some of the worst for the company? And who got a ton of the limelight during that time? Oh, HBK and his best friends. I can't discount the Montreal Screwjob and the Vince McMahon angle that was spun out of it. I can point out, however, that "losing his smile" and stepping away from WM13 let Hart and Austin put on one of the better matches in WWE history, complete with the perfect double-turn, which truly started the comeback for WWF creatively and financially. That shows me that Hart was just as capable of holding down the fort while the new guys got their feet wet.

 

[Tech N9ne]

I don't think Shawn should be blamed for the lower ratings during the years he was on top. WCW deserves the credit for this. They came up with one of the greatest angles in the history of the business. The New World Order. But even more then that, WCW did something that the WWF didn't have the balls to do. They turned Hogan Heel.

To be honest, Stone Cold gets a lot of undeserved credit for WWF coming back and taking WCW down. A lot of that was WCW as well. While WCW was reproducing the same old shit from 2 years prior, the WWF was using more innovative and edgy programming.

Shawn should be commended for his time at the top of WWF. He definitely held his own. The ratings might have been with WCW at the time, but the real show was being put on by Shawn.

The ratings swing to WCW wasn't because of something Shawn was doing or NOT doing. The front office can be blamed for that.

The problem wasn't WWF pushing Shawn, the problem was all WWF had to push was Shawn. Bret Hart had popularity but he proved he couldn't carry the whole company either. His gimmick and persona became stale quicker then most top guys in the history of the business.

It was obvious that WWF had some other guys that could have been dubbed the top guy, and absorbed a lot of the back lash from WCW overtaking the top spot in Sports Entertainment. Bret Hart, The Undertaker, Diesel etc...

But Shawn gave them (WWF) their best chance to compete. I tend to think if it wasn't Shawn carrying the ball in those days, things would have been worse.

As that HBK/WCW/Ratings conversation gets brought up, people forget that he played a bigger role in bringing the company back to being the standard bearer for Sports Entertainment with Degeneration X, then his role of being the reason WCW "got ahead" for a while.