Triple H: "Vince, sorry for killing your dream match every time"

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

Reports over the past month, indicate that The Rock might be coming back in the WWE for Wrestlemania 32, to wrestle one more match. This past week, another report surfaced and said that the current plan is The Rock vs Triple H.

Okay. I have many things against this match and I'm sure Vince does, too.
So, ever since The Rock and Brock Lesnar returned in the company, back in 2012, there were various report that indicated that Rock vs Brock II was Vince's plan for various Wrestlemanias (29,30,31). This match seemed to be a reality, when Wrestlemania 29 was still being set up. However, mr. Triple H had to get his rematch with Brock Lesnar. HHH 1, Vince 0. The Rock then went back to Hollywood.

Now, after 2 years, Rock wrestling once again in the WWE might again, become a reality. However, Triple H jumps in and says "Rocky's mine". HHH 2, Vince 0.

Alright joking aside, why HHH vs Rock? How come? I mean, Triple H is the one guy that nobody has ever put in any dream match (except NWO vs DX), but there he is, facing Sting and now possibly, The Rock.

It's not just that. Even from a bussiness standpoint, Rock vs Brock, is ten times the draw HHH vs Rock is. Former MMA fighter vs Hollywood actor? Reality sells. That's why Ronda was the most searched name during Wrestlemania night.

I'm trying to think what other HHH vs Rock brings to the table, other than nostalgia. Money? Not as big as Rock vs Brock. Will it sell out the AT&T stadium? I doubt it. Not that Rock vs Brock will, but it has bigger chances.

Is this about Vince's retirement? Then, I have nothing to say. Vince putting his company on the line with The Rock against HHH. Vince goes out with one last big moment. If that's the case, then I'd say give him his last moment. But if it's not, what good does HHH vs The Rock? Also for that to happen, Rock goes does, Triple H wins in the main event of WM 32. I don't know..

Even Reigns vs Rock seems a better choice, although predictable. Rock puts over a younger talent. However, the only reason this one's happening would be because Rock and Roman are related. Fans could shit all over Reigns, again.

Let's face it. Rock vs Brock is the only match the WWE can give us to make WM32 the biggest drawing WM ever. Rock vs Orton is one other choice or Rock vs Bryan or Rock vs anybody. But, Lesnar's WWE biggest draw at the moment. Not even Cena. I've been thinking about it. Brock's been the face of the company since 2012. It's true.

I can understand why there's fear about Rock vs Brock. Undertaker suffered a concussion and Reigns lost a tough and took the beating of his life. No matter how much I want to see The Rock being thrown around the ring like a sack of potatoes, I can understand why Johnson, the superstar, needs to be protected.
Rock vs Triple H (w/Austin as a ref), Vince's career on the line. Wow. Bigass WM moment. But Rock vs Triple H alone? Sorry I can't buy that.

What do you think about that match? Who would you want to see The Rock face?

P.S.: The part about Vince and the title are supposed to be sarcastic.

 

[Miko]

I think its just another in the "W" column for HHH, I don't have many issues with him these days, in fact I recognise that he was actually fantastic all the while he was around, but this literally seems like its an excuse to beat another legend.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

I agree with that completely. Brock/Rock is huge. Triple H/Rock is huge for Triple H. The Rock doesn't gain much from it and, while it might be a better match and it has history, it is a complete waste of his time.

I really want to like Triple H. He's genuinely a great performer and there are instances when he couldn't have done more to put over talent. But there are times when he seems to sabotage certain things for the betterment of his own ego.

He's a proposal for Triple H, introduce your favourite NXT guy to the main roster and spend nearly a year building that guy up so you can face them at Mania. Steal the show, make a new headline talent and show everybody what a good eye you have for finding new stars. He couldn't have done more to get Bryan over last year, The Shield not long after and Batista ten years ago. More of the same please.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Doesn't matter who I want to see The Rock face. It doesn't matter who Vince or HHH want to see The Rock face. It only matters who The Rock wants to face. He doesn't need the WWE or WM. He holds all of the power in this relationship.

Personally, gun to my head I don't want to see The Rock face HHH or Brock. The Rock/HHH feels insignificant. HHH is too big of a heel for me to want to see an actor take him down. Rock/Brock leaves me not wanting to see either guy lose. That is a bad thing and makes me not care for the match up. I also don't think it is the draw others are making it out to be.

Maybe I could start to care about Rock/Reigns if they just turned Reigns heel. Heel Rock is pretty much impossible in 2016. Rock/Cena is another possibility as a rubber match but again Cena would have to go heel.

 

[Max Headroom]

I can see where you're coming from in regards to Brock/Rock being a huge draw (hell, the name "Brock vs. Rock" even flows off the tongue), however I feel you're greatly undermining HHH vs. Rock, which would, in my opinion, have a more entertaining build. It is also the next biggest draw behind Brock/Rock (unless Stone Cold made a magical return to face Rock at 32, but that's not happening).

As far as what HHH/Rock brings to the table, you can be sure there will be great promos leading up to the match, and I'm sure the match would tell a great story in the ring. Also, this is nearly a year away, the match itself isn't even set in stone (though it seems quite likely), so there could easily be some stipulations thrown in there. Although I think putting them in a no DQ/no countout match alone would be good enough.

In terms of the drawing power, if they get Double R to compete at WM, that's all they need to draw tons of buys, the extra addition of it being either HHH or Brock against Rock wouldn't really matter in terms of drawing power at that point, especially if all three have matches on the card, regardless of whom it is with.

My final point would be Rock's Hollywood associates/managers/whatever they're called. The Rock already hurt himself (by accident, of course) during his match with a very safe John Cena. I highly doubt they'd want him anywhere near BeastyBrock in the ring. Even if Rock mentioned the idea to them, they'd probably say something along the lines of "anyone but Brock", as Brocks whole thing is all about beating the living piss out of his opponent. At least, with HHH, everyone knows Rocky is in VERY safe hands. And again, it would be a welcome match to see.

In the end, I don't disagree that Rock/Brock would be a huge draw/great match, but I fully understand why they probably won't do it, and I also feel HHH/Rock would be a great draw/match in itself, with a great build as well.

 

[SoulTrain4]

Truth is both matches would suck because all the characters involved have a shitty workrate. Rock is constantly out, HHH is gettin up there in age and can't work like he used to and the same can or said for Brock (who spends the majority of the match throwing other people around therefore he can dictate that slow pace).

If you really want to bring eyes to the product you do something different and somewhat unexpected: Rock vs Daniel Bryan

Bryan has the talent to carry Rock in the ring and he is a big enough star to be in that spot. The build up could be interesting as Rock is everything Bryan is not, he's tall, handsome, famous, rich and arrogant no to mention the Rock was the very first Corporate champion, a champion hand picked by McMahon so it fits into Daniel's 2-3 year narrative of proving himself. It would also do tremendous wonders for Bryan's career and I guarantee people will be excited for it because it's a fresh match, Bryan is a fairly safe worker too so that's not an issue either. I honestly don't see a reason why you wouldn't do it.

Both the other matches mentioned have happened before and they won't be able to top it.

 

[Creepy Old Man]

Triple H is the one guy that nobody has ever put in any dream match

This. Absolutely, this. He's kayfabe legend and people have slurped up what WWE have fed to them. The guy's not in the same league as the real greats, and that's evident when you see people list their dream matches. Hogan, Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Bret, Shawn, Angle and other such legendary names pop up, but never Triple H. Nobody wanted him against Sting, and nobody wants him against anybody. People praise him as an all-time guy, but if they stepped back and were introspective about their praise, they might just realise that they're parroting WWE hyperbole.

Absolutely one of the most overrated performers in history.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Even Reigns vs Rock seems a better choice, although predictable. Rock puts over a younger talent. However, the only reason this one's happening would be because Rock and Roman are related. Fans could shit all over Reigns, again.

Possibly, but I'd like to think that by the time the event happens, they wouldn't. Isn't the reason fans have turned on Roman because he isn't up to par in the ring & on the mic? By then, these problems should be solved .....because if they aren't, it's possible the guy will never be ready. But watching a match between relatives could be great, with the old guy looking to shut the young one up. By WM32, I'm presuming Roman will be a heel, which will be easier for him to play. I'm not positive Rock would need to job, either ......most of that will depend on Reigns and where he is by that time.

Let's face it. Rock vs Brock is the only match the WWE can give us to make WM32 the biggest drawing WM ever.

Could be. I'm always bothered by the notion of two part-timers going at it at WM, shoving the regular performers to subordinate status. On the other hand, it's not as if we'd be watching Goldberg vs. Sting, which would be truly offensive to the regular cast who entertain us week in & week out. Brock's new 3-year contract goes a long way to tying him to WWE, despite his rather limited schedule......while the Rock is the Rock.

Then again, Rock vs. Triple H would be fine with me. The two of them could promo each other to death in the months leading up to the event, while Trips could make Rock look better in the ring than Brock would.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

The problem now is that they are balancing the "Box Office" of Dwayne, Brock and to an extent Trips against what they can actually bring to a new talent if they face them and the damage if the wrong call is made.

Look back to 2000 when Jericho was so over he "won the title" from Triple H, the fans erupted and it was clear it was "what they wanted", they wanted Jericho to go to Mania etc... but then you had Mick Foley as well who the fans hadn't quite had enough of... so they went with the older guy despite going as far as advertising Y2J in the 4 way. A losing effort for Jericho, even with the 3 other stars in that match would have probably killed his momentum and he wasn't ready to win yet. With him in the match the "draw" was perhaps not quite as big as with Foley... so all 4 would be diminished with a main event that wasn't what it could have been (not withstanding it was pretty bad anyway) and it was clear Trips was going over regardless. With hindsight Big Show would have been better served not being in that fatal fourway at all... maybe facing Jericho teaming with Foley as ref.

On paper that main event was a dream match, but it didn't deliver and hamstrung booking for the rest of the card and did nothing for Rock and Foley and hampered Big Show's development.

When Jericho got it, he got it big, beating Rock and Austin the same night but all the guys kept their box office intact, but there was no question his match with Trips was not "box office", the main event was Hogan v Rock in reality and Trips of all people will get how the dream match can kill the show from that experience.

It'd be easy for Rock to come in and job to someone in a Mania main event to help "build them" but it would ultimately be a waste of box office and diminish his next appearance. The only time Rock gets pinned at Mania is a retirement match.

Likewise for Brock, putting he and Rock together sounds a "dream match" and for the fans it might be, but you're then cutting off an option to load the card with 2 "money matches", now Trips is in that position Foley was in 2000, where he is about retired, can be put into a big match and still sell it but doesn't need to be "THE main event".

Rock v Brock leaves little room for manuever, it means someone else HAS to get over big cos Taker's last match isn't gonna cut it. If they'd brought Ronda in with Brock maybe that would have worked... but they didn't so now you have Rock v Trips with Steph/Ronda either as a second match or as seconds in that match... either way it's big box office and frees up Brock to face someone else... be that a rematch for Taker or more likely a rematch with Rollins.

This years booking was quite smart and taught us it's smart business to NOT do dream matches, they didn't give us Taker v Sting this year, they still can next year... we didn't get Bryan v Ziggler...they can do it next year and it gave the newer guys a much fairer chance of building their careers than throwing them right up there like they did with Roman... he was basically where Big Show was in 2000... not ready yet Rusev, facing a top level star but lower down the card was one of the highlights of the show... the pressure was off.

So in effect Trips is doing what's "best for business" by not putting who we'd LOVE to see together in favour of matchups we will still want to see badly...so that more talents can get their chance to elevate during the show.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

I think its just another in the "W" column for HHH, I don't have many issues with him these days, in fact I recognise that he was actually fantastic all the while he was around, but this literally seems like its an excuse to beat another legend.

If H hadn't redeemed himself with NXT, you wouldn't be saying this.

H's program with Punk in 2011 was an abortion, with Brock was a clusterfuck that did nothing for no one except him. Never deserved to take on Taker twice because the streak draws for Mania. And this year was the worst.

Why is a career upper midcarder being paraded around as a big deal when he really wasn't the man in his era. Its because the guys have left. I don't wanna see Rock Vs Triple H. Thats the waste of what could be a really hot slot.

Give me Rock/Brock, Rock/Ambrose, Hell give me Rock/Reigns. i don't care if I ever see H wrestle again. His stature has been blown out of proportion as the "legend" that he has become. I wish he listens to Vince and sticks to behind the scenes.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

Get it clear, Trips is not responsible for NXT solely... he has had some foresight and been able to get things like the Performance Centre going, but at it's core NXT has flourished because of a whole approach, fostered by the trainers, the talent themselves and the link with Full Sail... That is as much a factor as Paul being in charge. They have facilities, and off-screen talented people they wouldn't otherwise have access too. Innovation has been something WWE hasn't done well and Paul isn't innovating, but he's opened up a vein with a University that does encourage it, and from their side they have an outlet their students can get involved with... That's the W W of the situation.

Make no mistake though, NXT is not some perfect storm or holy grail... a lot of the positive stuff is deserved, but the test is how much is based on people being sick of what WWE's main roster is offering rather than genuine quality. That's the danger, if NXT grows too fast... That's where someone like Trips can make the difference with the "keys to the kingdom" it's now touring, it REALLY doesn't need to get any bigger than this... no TV deals, no PPV's other than what they have... I think that was why the "monthly event" thing was reported then nixed... They also need to sustain this once the main roster starts to improve, which it will with the injections of talent.

Look at Neville, he's been on 2 weeks and is already getting over to the point that he could be replacing Mysterio within a few months as that "smaller Upper Mid" guy they can throw into a main event or three... it shows taking time was right but that now he is up, there is impressing just as The Shield, Bray and Paige did and The Ascension, Big E and Xavier have not...

What happens to NXT when Owens, Zayn, Balor, Breeze and Itami are the norm in WWE? The talent stream and quality has to continue...

 

[teampunk]

or the rock is not allowed to go against lesner for insurance reasons. every movie rock makes he has to be insured for 100s of millions of dollars. no way his management team will let rock go against lesner. the potential for injury is way, way too high. say what you want about hhh, but he is someone who can put on a great match without injuring the rock.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Get it clear, Trips is not responsible for NXT solely... he has had some foresight and been able to get things like the Performance Centre going, but at it's core NXT has flourished because of a whole approach, fostered by the trainers, the talent themselves and the link with Full Sail... That is as much a factor as Paul being in charge. They have facilities, and off-screen talented people they wouldn't otherwise have access too. Innovation has been something WWE hasn't done well and Paul isn't innovating, but he's opened up a vein with a University that does encourage it, and from their side they have an outlet their students can get involved with... That's the W W of the situation.

Make no mistake though, NXT is not some perfect storm or holy grail... a lot of the positive stuff is deserved, but the test is how much is based on people being sick of what WWE's main roster is offering rather than genuine quality. That's the danger, if NXT grows too fast... That's where someone like Trips can make the difference with the "keys to the kingdom" it's now touring, it REALLY doesn't need to get any bigger than this... no TV deals, no PPV's other than what they have... I think that was why the "monthly event" thing was reported then nixed... They also need to sustain this once the main roster starts to improve, which it will with the injections of talent.

Look at Neville, he's been on 2 weeks and is already getting over to the point that he could be replacing Mysterio within a few months as that "smaller Upper Mid" guy they can throw into a main event or three... it shows taking time was right but that now he is up, there is impressing just as The Shield, Bray and Paige did and The Ascension, Big E and Xavier have not...

What happens to NXT when Owens, Zayn, Balor, Breeze and Itami are the norm in WWE? The talent stream and quality has to continue...

Nope, FCW was a sack of shit going nowhere and NXT was Vince's idea of reality TV. Many superstars from down there have come out and said this Development Centre and new look is ALL Trips. The way he has incorporated indy talent without diminishing their stature is unheard of.

Go to Grantland and click on the article by Masked Man where he gushes over the fact how this NXT just embraced Zayn and Owens' past. That is something unheard of, and it kinda is. WWE wants to wipe the slate clean but has slowly been turning the corner. NXT is for the smarkiest and H serves it on a platter.


You are kinda overselling NXT when it comes to the main roster because that smarky post Mania crowd chanted NXT. WWE doesn't need NXT, It could shut down tomorrow and the people who would bawl the most would be on here, on the internet, the main roster and the general populous who came to Raw wouldn't bat an eyelid. And while all this may seem harsh its true, NXT is NOT indispensable. Yet.

How things are going, there maybe an NXT Vs RAW in the next few years but right now, if one batch of indie talents fail, other will replace them. Neville can go either way, Big E, Cesaro havent done anythn substantial. Bray and The Shield have cut it.

 

[mizowns]

Like som others have said: Triple H try to steal another Wrestlemania spot.

Triple H vs Sting was never the dream match. And the match was only good because of the run-ins from NWO/DX that made it more interesting.

Rock vs Brock would be ideal. Triple H will steal the spott once again though

I'm so sick of Triple H try to stealing the spotlight everytime since he has been in more power than ever

- Daniel Bryan (manipulated to get a WM moment and stealing the light)
- Brock Lesnar,(Beating Brock Lesnar was a BIG LOL)
- Undertaker(Of course he has to meet Undertaker again and be relevant)
- Sting(what a fucking joke that ending was)

 

[L@RISANO]

Agree with the OP.

Indeed, I could give HHH some leeway and say that he took on Sting, for instance, because there wasn't anyone else "available" to face the Icon. However, that is being overly kind.


Fact is, whilst Triple H is undoubtedly a great in the WWE, I can safely say that any match that is anointed as being a "dream" match in the WWE, does NOT include Triple H whatsoever.


Make no mistake about it, Taker vs HHH... it was the Streak that drew. Sting vs HHH... It was the Icon that drew... and If the Rock vs HHH is the plan... yes, it has history from way back when, but it will be the Rock left to draw people towards it.


I have no problem with HHH fighting at PPVs whatsoever, but please, don't go up against other part-timers just to feed your bloated ego and rack up Ws coming onto the end, and even if he isn't winning... what exactly does it do??
the Rock vs Brock might not be a great match per se, but it will draw through both guys who have reach outside the WWE demographic and with added coverage by ESPN, etc. as there was for Mania31... it would definitely be a huge hit.



Personally, I can more see a Rock/Rousey vs HHH/Stephanie match happening, where such a match would more likely get more eyes to the product through the former 2, and the possible storyline involved.
Rock vs HHH...meh!

 

[Kris Benwa]

If you really want to bring eyes to the product you do something different and somewhat unexpected: Rock vs Daniel Bryan

Bryan has the talent to carry Rock in the ring and he is a big enough star to be in that spot. The build up could be interesting as Rock is everything Bryan is not, he's tall, handsome, famous, rich and arrogant no to mention the Rock was the very first Corporate champion, a champion hand picked by McMahon so it fits into Daniel's 2-3 year narrative of proving himself. It would also do tremendous wonders for Bryan's career and I guarantee people will be excited for it because it's a fresh match, Bryan is a fairly safe worker too so that's not an issue either. I honestly don't see a reason why you wouldn't do it.

Both the other matches mentioned have happened before and they won't be able to top it.

Lolololololololololololoololol how did I just know someone was going to bring this up. I cant see this happening for a variety of reasons a couple of which being Bryan is over but he's NOT going to bring more outside viewers to the product than Brock vs Rock or even Triple H vs Rock again. Brock is UFC's biggest draw, one of if not WWE's and has an ESPN presence. We know what the Rock brings. Triple H vs Rock is an old enough rivalry that maybe they could potentially bring some of the older fans back as well. Also throw in that Bryan is currently only the IC champion but I think the final reason is that The Rock is a huge star and I can only see him working with someone who won't get cheered more than him or cause him to get boo'd. That's why he worked Cena who gets boo'd anyway and Punk as a heel. I think he sees getting a negative reaction as something that could hinder his career. Also look at Bryan the match honestly doesn't even look competitive when you look at them and they're trying to get 100k to come see this. Notice none of these have to do with match quality because it would no doubt be a tremendous match and possibly even great story but I think there are reasons why it won't happen.

I always liked Triple H and always defended him but now I think I will start to finally believe the rumors. He wants a the spotlight and wants to be the most important and badass person on the show clearly. First we nix Taker vs Sting a dream match for many for Triple H vs Sting which was quite frankly a dream match for none. Now we're going to nix Brock vs Rock II for Triple H vs Rock pt 9001 in 2015!?!?! Are you fucking serious? Like if you just read that sentence it even sounds absurd. Lol I had never thought about it until someone else posted it here but Triple H really is the one guy I never see people make dream matches for haha I've never made dream matches for him either and I've always been a fan. Bottom line is I don't believe this match should happen and if it does then I'll just say screw it STOP DOING THIS TRIPLE H I ACTUALLY LIKED AND DEFENDED YOU FOR YEARS. If Triple H just has to be wrestling The Rock at Mania again then do the mixed tag team match please.

 

[SoulTrain4]

did I just know someone was going to bring this up. I cant see this happening for a variety of reasons a couple of which being Bryan is over but he's NOT going to bring more outside viewers to the product than Brock vs Rock or even Triple H vs Rock again. Brock is UFC's biggest draw, one of if not WWE's and has an ESPN presence. We know what the Rock brings. Triple H vs Rock is an old enough rivalry that maybe they could potentially bring some of the older fans back as well. Also throw in that Bryan is currently only the IC champion but I think the final reason is that The Rock is a huge star and I can only see him working with someone who won't get cheered more than him or cause him to get boo'd. That's why he worked Cena who gets boo'd anyway and Punk as a heel. I think he sees getting a negative reaction as something that could hinder his career. Also look at Bryan the match honestly doesn't even look competitive when you look at them and they're trying to get 100k to come see this. Notice none of these have to do with match quality because it would no doubt be a tremendous match and possibly even great story but I think there are reasons why it won't happen.

Let me address the second bolded first; why is that Daniel is all of a sudden "too small" when it comes time to have bigger and higher profile matches? Nobody said he was too small to fight Kane or Big Show or Sheamus or Cena or Reigns or anyone else that's above 6'4 and some of those people are BIGGER than the Rock. This selective sizeism is absolute garbage bag thinking.

Now to your first point: Bryan is a big enough star for the role of facing the The Rock. Bryan right now is a bigger star than HHH is and that match (HHH vs Rock) is going to be built primarily on the long history of the two, which is the problem, they have had 1,000 matches already and all different match types from last man standing to ladder matches there's nothing other than time that makes that match fresh.

The "OMG it's a movie star vs a former-UFC fighter" is the real appeal to a match with Brock, it won't be good, the story will be struggle and neither person will be there enough to really promote it and ultimately how do you put on that match and make it remotely competitive? All Brock has done since he has come back is throw people around, sweat a lot and scream.

The atmosphere of Bryan vs Rock would be tremendous in it's own right. It's a classic old school vs new school, blue collar vs corporate, average joe vs the rich and famous it could be a classic story, that's actually NEW and something that hasn't be told already. Bringing in outside viewers is what Ronda Rousey is there for, Brock is wrestling on the show so I dont see why he has to wrestle Rock and then you have Rock himself, so in reality Bryan doesn't have to bring in any outside viewers at all.

 

[Rocky84]

I don't get how anyone wouldn't want to see one of the greatest rivalries come to an end with a very deserving 1 on 1 match at WrestleMania. Makes no sense to me for people to not be interested especially if they were fans of that era.

Brock vs Rock really isn't that good to be honest. Like at all. Brock can't talk at all, and it would be Paul Heyman saying the same old shit and Rock making fat jokes about Paul the whole time. The match would be meh at best just like the first one.

HHH vs Rock never happened at Mania and it's a travesty. I love the build up from Raw 6 months ago, and Wrestlemania this year. It's only going to get better from here. HHH won at Mania 16 and should certainly give it to Rocky this time around especially after beating Sting this year.

I don't think Rhonda will wrestle Steph since it's totally unbelievable and they're better off just being in the corners of Rock and Hunter. They can still get it on outside the ring and have a memorable moment.

Bottom line, this match needs to happen, and next year is the year. Rock has made it to the top of Hollywood, and HHH has made it to the top of the WWE...amazing considering they started at the bottom in 1996/1997 and hated each other from day 1. This is just perfect since it's come full circle.

Let Stone Cold take on Brock next year, or Batista take him on. No need for Brock and Rock...again.

 

[Kris Benwa]

Let me address the second bolded first; why is that Daniel is all of a sudden "too small" when it comes time to have bigger and higher profile matches? Nobody said he was too small to fight Kane or Big Show or Sheamus or Cena or Reigns or anyone else that's above 6'4 and some of those people are BIGGER than the Rock. This selective sizeism is absolute garbage bag thinking.

Now to your first point: Bryan is a big enough star for the role of facing the The Rock. Bryan right now is a bigger star than HHH is and that match (HHH vs Rock) is going to be built primarily on the long history of the two, which is the problem, they have had 1,000 matches already and all different match types from last man standing to ladder matches there's nothing other than time that makes that match fresh.

The "OMG it's a movie star vs a former-UFC fighter" is the real appeal to a match with Brock, it won't be good, the story will be struggle and neither person will be there enough to really promote it and ultimately how do you put on that match and make it remotely competitive? All Brock has done since he has come back is throw people around, sweat a lot and scream.

The atmosphere of Bryan vs Rock would be tremendous in it's own right. It's a classic old school vs new school, blue collar vs corporate, average joe vs the rich and famous it could be a classic story, that's actually NEW and something that hasn't be told already. Bringing in outside viewers is what Ronda Rousey is there for, Brock is wrestling on the show so I dont see why he has to wrestle Rock and then you have Rock himself, so in reality Bryan doesn't have to bring in any outside viewers at all.

Not my reasoning but can't you see that being theirs? If you have The Rock on your show he almost has to be the main event and if they put The Rock vs Bryan on every form of media they could, you think more non wrestling fans would be more intrigued in that over Lesnar or Triple H visually? I know a lot of casual fans who don't even like Bryan just because of the believability thing. As a fan I personally don't care. And sorry Bryan may get people to chant yes but I can't agree that he's a bigger star than Triple H right now otherwise he wouldn't be in the opening match winning a mid card title. Also considering Triple H himself only wrestles once a year I think they feel that makes it special enough to deserve a top top match. They're trying to get 100 thousand people in there and I don't think their confident that Rock vs Bryan will do it and I think I can see why. On the other hand to be fair I don't think Triple H vs The Rock would either.

Got your two stars with the most mainstream presence wrestling on the show why not put them together? Makes sense to me

 

[Radical Canadian Goose]

I agree with the OP. We wanted Rock/Brock, we got Rock/HHH. We wanted Sting/Taker, we got Taker/HHH. Hell, we even wanted Daniel Bryan to main event WM30... yes , grant you eventually he did, BUT, he had to face HHH first in order to do so. If HHH has the fans in mind as many claim he does ,he needs to check his ego at the door. As for WM32 I would go Rock/Reigns, Lesnar/Orton, Taker/Sting(if possible) as the featured bouts, and leave HHH as an authority figure.....maybe HHH/Rollins, but I could see Hunter putting himself over

 

[SoulTrain4]

ot my reasoning but can't you see that being theirs? If you have The Rock on your show he almost has to be the main event and if they put The Rock vs Bryan on every form of media they could, you think more non wrestling fans would be more intrigued in that over Lesnar or Triple H visually?

I honestly stopped reading right here. Why should i care what non-wrestling fans want to see? That's another thing that is senseless to me.

You mean to tell me people who are in no way interested in wrestling are gonna pay, sit and watch 3 1/2 hours of something they don't like just to see The Rock?! Ludicrous. Somebody say that out loud to hear how foolish it is.

4-5 million people watch RAW weekly, the key is to turn each one of those into a PPV buy or network subscription. The NFL (national football league for you non-Americans) doesn't structure the super bowl around folks that don't normally watch football to make them comfortable, they know people who don't normally watch are watching and they throw in little extras for them like commercials and halftime performances but otherwise it's a game like all games. That's it. Attempting to structure a wrestling show around non-wrestling fans is counterproductive.

 

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I honestly stopped reading right here. Why should i care what non-wrestling fans want to see? That's another thing that is senseless to me.

You mean to tell me people who are in no way interested in wrestling are gonna pay, sit and watch 3 1/2 hours of something they don't like just to see The Rock?! Ludicrous. Somebody say that out loud to hear how foolish it is.

4-5 million people watch RAW weekly, the key is to turn each one of those into a PPV buy or network subscription. The NFL (national football league for you non-Americans) doesn't structure the super bowl around folks that don't normally watch football to make them comfortable, they know people who don't normally watch are watching and they throw in little extras for them like commercials and halftime performances but otherwise it's a game like all games. That's it. Attempting to structure a wrestling show around non-wrestling fans is counterproductive.

Why should you care what non-wrestling fans think? Are you a new fan? Ever since Vince bought the company it's more and more about selling the product to the average person. It's not about wrestling anymore, it's about entertainment and crossing over to other genres of media. Do people watch the super bowl just for the half time show, hell yeah so that's why the WWE has The Rock out there even though he's broken down. He's Hollywood, where Vince would prefer to be. Vince made millions but he will always be known as a wrestling promoter not the media mogul he craves.

 

[Kamala316]

HHH is an egotistical, all-around asshole. I worked loss prevention years ago (when he first came to WWE), and he was doing an autograph signing at my place of employment. Being a wrestling fan, I asked to work the event. From the moment he showed up, he was nothing short of a douche; he acted entitled even when he was a nobody! I'll be the first to admit we all have our good/bad days, but if you CHOSE to be a WWE "Superstar", you should know what comes with the title. After the way he carried himself, I didn't even want an autograph. Years later, my friend's family (by total coincidence) befriended a nanny that worked for the McMahon family when Shane and Stephanie were kids. She told them that she knew "Paul", and that he "sure had his moments". I wasn't surprised to hear that.
From the moment HHH came to WWE, he's kissed ass, played politics, buddied up with anyone who could make him more relevant (beginning with dating Chyna, HBK, Flair, and eventually Steph), and buried (or tried to bury) anyone who was getting a better pop than him. You would think for someone who "loves the business, eats, sleeps, and breaths wrestling", HHH would understand that he is not nearly as important as he (or the WWE Network) would like to think he is. Someone in this thread made the comment that when you ask wrestling fans about "the greats", HHH never comes up. Why? Because HHH is the original "B+ player", and that may be too high of a praise. However, if you watch WWE programming, and buy into their propaganda, you would think that HHH was a wrestling God. Over the past few years, as HHH has...ahem..."transitioned" from the ring to the corporate office, it's been, for lack of a better word, ridiculous that when someone gained a head of steam/got over with the fans, HHH had to strap on the gear again (as many of you have pointed out), and made sure he looked invincible, win or lose. Again, where's that "love of the business/Do the right thing for the business?" HHH has never been "the man", and that pisses him off to no end. But as long as he's "connected" in Stamford, HHH will have the tools he needs to feed his ego, which sucks if you're a wrestling fan, and not dumb enough to be manipulated by the WWE propaganda.

 

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I am surprised no one has said that this is HHH's way of getting back at everyone who thought he was a joke when he was buried after "the curtain call."

 

[Aquaman6686]

This. Absolutely, this. He's kayfabe legend and people have slurped up what WWE have fed to them. The guy's not in the same league as the real greats, and that's evident when you see people list their dream matches. Hogan, Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Bret, Shawn, Angle and other such legendary names pop up, but never Triple H. Nobody wanted him against Sting, and nobody wants him against anybody. People praise him as an all-time guy, but if they stepped back and were introspective about their praise, they might just realise that they're parroting WWE hyperbole.

Absolutely one of the most overrated performers in history.

I disagree. Triple H is without a doubt one of the best of all time. If anything he's underrated, because so many fans who are biased against him disregard many of his accomplishments due to his relationship with Stephanie. Triple H is right up there with any of those names you mentioned, and I'd consider him better than several of them. I for one was absolutely dreading Sting's match at WrestleMania because he's so old and hasn't had a good match in so many years, but Triple H got a great match out of him. Triple H always delivers, and that's what matters. I'd much rather see Rock vs. Triple H, than see yet another legend fed to the massive ego of Brock Lesnar.