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I was under the impression that the U.S. recovered from the Great Depression primarily through the production of military supplies required for WW II.
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FromTheSouth
You don't want it with me.
That was part of it, but the New Deal programs had us well on the way. These were public works projects through the TVA, CCC, etc., which were all government funded programs. Many of these projects were dams, schools, stadiums, and other public use facilities, many of which still stand today.
Actually what brought us out of the impression was WWII Weps, it gave women jobs, and got more taxes headed twards our gov. With both (factory working) women/(military) men paying taxes guees who reeped the benifits? Not to mention a GREAT president. The remaking of the stock markets had a geat deal to do with it as well. The stock markets along with automobile vehicles generate so much money its not funny. With the morgage rate problems, it caused people to buy cars they don't have, the automobile company is going down. This would have brought down ANY president, you can't blaim Bush for this. Sure, it hurt his reputation a lot, but like shock said, its the middle class/lower classes that hurt us in the end. The sad part is, Obama is going to get credit for the climbing back up the ladder, crap. When in reality, the cars the people can no longer afford are going to be repoed, and they get all the money thats not theres, and the car back, thus generating more money.
FromTheSouth
You don't want it with me.
Milk[lw];791007 said:
Not the 10 million jobs the New Deal created? Both helped, but we were out of the depression by 38, and joined WWII in '42. So actually, it was socialism that pulled us out of the Depression.
It's important to note that the tax base was increased by putting people to work, not by raising taxes, which is the current plan.
Roosevelt inherited a bad economy, and he too would have looked good doing anything short of shitting on a bald eagle. He was a socialist who succeeded, but the economy has leveled off at the end of his fourth term. He was a good president, a good commander in chief, but there are questions about his reaction to Pearl Harbor. Ten Thousand pags of documents say he could have stopped it, so before we build a new Mount Rushmore for him, let's look into how many advantages he had going in.
Most of which gets sucked up due to unions. Blaming Bush for the financial crisis is ridiculous. It is irresponsible consumers combined with greedy unions that have put us in a jam.
Just like Roosevelt. I prefer FDR though, because he made people work for the money, instead of you know, giving it away.
But, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the economy will thrive under Obama. I hope so, but I think we may all find out that "hope" and "change" aren't enough.
people in America don't realize that there is stuff going on outside of the borders. The worlds economic problems would have absolutely nothing to do with the growth of both India and Chinas middle class, and thus crippling supplies around the world, has nothing to do with that at all.
I realize that...I was referring to the inside politics of the system and that of the Bush Administration in itself. They are all set for life.
FromTheSouth
You don't want it with me.
And you'll provide what evidence of this?
Cheney used to be on the board of Halliburton and they got a contract, so it's an inside job? Let me explain something people who work in high levels of politics get job offers all the time to sit on boards. It is basically a press event, which inspires people to buy stock. People who work in the defense department get jobs with military contractors. It is a revolving door. The actual amount of influence he had was minimal at best.
I understand that the media told you that Halliburton got the contracts for a reason, but there are massive holes in the logic that Keith Olberman covers up with sarcasm and empty rhetoric.
How did Bush make money? His money is put in ablind trust, that he has no power to look into. This is so his policy doesn't directly effect his policy decisions.
Please, he's gone. You can all stop publishing your wild conspiracy theories just because you don't like him.
FTS, no disrespect to you but you were doing the same thing with conspiracy theories about Obama. How the hell do you know he is going to be a bad president? It's like waking up and saying that it is gonna be a shitty day without even living out the day. Every country is judged by their leader. Our country has sunk to new lows recently. Who was our leader? Yeah, George W Bush. Just like in the Carter Administration, when the economy took a hit, he took the blame. Reagan came in and cleaned up the mess. They were talking about presidents and which one of them have been truly happy and by happy, they mean actually having a good presidency since the Kennedy era and the only man who did not have a blemish on his record was Reagan. Bush I had the Persian Gulf War. Carter had the sagging economy and of course Ford pardoned Nixon and Nixon was Watergate and Johnson was Vietnam War...oh yeah I did not forget Clinton. His random bombings (Wag the Dog similarity incident) and his affair did not help him much. My point is that every president is judged by how the country is and judging by the country's shape, Bush did not do so well. And no dude, I am not influenced by media, I make my own decisions. Thats how it is.
Speculation is what causes gas prices to go up, not oil shortages. Speculation is waht causes wall street to rise or crash. It is a speculators market and thats who controls the damn country. Bush had a list of people telling him (advising him if you will) what to do and he went and spent billions on 2 unneccisary wars. The logic that America always has to be the country that goes out and helps (enforces) other countries seems so dumb when the US Government cannot even take care of their own patrons.
FromTheSouth
You don't want it with me.
Oil prices rose because 2 billion people in India and China got cars with a three year year period, and now that demand has stabled off, so have oil prices. Nice try though.
And what conspiracy theories did I mention about Obama? I argued his policy initiatives. First and foremost, I disagree with raising taxes on corporations because it leads to lay offs. Secondly, I don't like his new income tax structure because it punishes small business owners. Third, I don't like his idea to invade Pakistan when they are our only ally in that region. These are not conspiracies. These are faulty policy initiatives.
But I want him to succeed for my own welfare. I just won't hold my breath.
And what conspiracy theories did I mention about Obama? I argued his policy initiatives. First and foremost, I disagree with raising taxes on corporations because it leads to lay offs. Secondly, I don't like his new income tax structure because it punishes small business owners. Third, I don't like his idea to invade Pakistan when they are our only ally in that region. These are not conspiracies. These are faulty policy initiatives.
But I want him to succeed for my own welfare. I just won't hold my breath.
Something you will agree with me on. I do not say anyone (man, woman or child) is a savior in the least right. I see people saying that Obama is going to be a savior and well, thats short sighted. While I was not a Bush supporter, I know that basically Obama has a big mess to clean up (whether he does it or not is beyond the point). The fact is we all can agree that this country and the majority of the world is in a bad way right now.
Yes raising taxes is not good and people will get laid off. But guess what FTS? People are already losing their jobs! You probably even know someone who has been affected by the slagging economy. I couldnt even get a new job when I wanted to. No one is even hiring. Managers are cutting hours, people are having to make do with little or even half of what they used to make. It will not be magically fixed but something has to be done. It probably will not get better in the next 2 years. Hell, the economy is not at it's lowest yet. It still is going down a little more before it goes back up. Small business owners are already suffering as I have already mentioned. Everyone is. Obama cannot make this mess any worse than it already. It would be like setting fire to a house that has already burned down.
Oil prices rose because of China and India?
So how do you explain the prices magically going all the way down to $1.60 for a whole month or two and now they are magically going back up?
It is speculation. People are scared of losing money so they speculate on the situation of oil and the shortage or posisble shortages that there are. Plus, you have greedy oil companies who know that gas is not a choice, it is a necissity. People have to drive to get to work, school and far away places. They don't lose money so theyr figure why not.
Yes raising taxes is not good and people will get laid off. But guess what FTS? People are already losing their jobs! You probably even know someone who has been affected by the slagging economy. I couldnt even get a new job when I wanted to. No one is even hiring. Managers are cutting hours, people are having to make do with little or even half of what they used to make. It will not be magically fixed but something has to be done. It probably will not get better in the next 2 years. Hell, the economy is not at it's lowest yet. It still is going down a little more before it goes back up. Small business owners are already suffering as I have already mentioned. Everyone is. Obama cannot make this mess any worse than it already. It would be like setting fire to a house that has already burned down.
Oil prices rose because of China and India?
So how do you explain the prices magically going all the way down to $1.60 for a whole month or two and now they are magically going back up?
It is speculation. People are scared of losing money so they speculate on the situation of oil and the shortage or posisble shortages that there are. Plus, you have greedy oil companies who know that gas is not a choice, it is a necissity. People have to drive to get to work, school and far away places. They don't lose money so theyr figure why not.
FromTheSouth
You don't want it with me.
We're together here.
I was and am.
And he's part of the reason we have it. I won't blame the democratic party, but right before they took over congress the Dow was at or near an all time high. And a 13 year long bull market had to have it's bubble burst at some point. Bad timing by Bush, plus, he made it a little to easy to buy a home. Home ownership is a privilege, not a right. But home ownership is still higher today that it was before he took office, and for helping so many attain that part of the American dream, he should be patted on the back. Individuals not living within their means is not the fault of anyone in Washington.
It is a bit overblown. Our currency is strong right now, and the market is stable where it is. People took a hit, but a little reprioritzing will keep everyone afloat until the market turns bull again.
So, then why should taxes be raised? Should we kill even more jobs?
If you have marketable skills, someone will hire you. Perhaps you were setting your sights a little too high? I don't know, but if you can increase productivity, then an economy like this would love you.
So, if you cut taxes on business, they have more money and can increase hours or hire more people. Wouldn't that create more income taxes for the government to draw on. It would likely be fairly revenue neutral, and would help out the many unemployed.
I think it passed it's low point right before Christmas. The market is stable, and the newfound strength of American currency (in relation to other currencies, which felt this downturn worse than we did due to their dependence upon our buying their goods.
But he can. Most small business owners claim all business revenue as personal income. They may claim $400,000 of income, but only bank $60,000. This is done to avoid cap gains taxes, and is legal. Raising their taxes will hinder employment of new help, or the big ticket machinery or vehicle purchases, both of which drive the economy.
Stable supply plus increased demand equals a rise in prices.
From $4 to a $1.60, and is not $1.69. This seems like stabilization. Prices got too high, and then dropped too fast, and are now settling on a fair range for the market. The price can't be set until the demand at the new price is set.
These greedy oil companies employ millions of people, from the guy who cleans the gas station bathroom to the executives. These greedy oil companies make 9% return on investment. In contrast, telecom makes 23% on the dollar. Oil companies put more money into production and distribution to make less money. Look it up. This is public information. If the oil companies wanted to make 23%, they would. They scrape by with less that 10% profit. For most businesses, this would be consiered failure, but the oil companies are demonized for it.
Shadowmancer
I am The Last Baron
Every single person that is a bush hater needs to step back and look at it from the way that History will look at Bush, as a not-bad President.
Agreed, he is/was just like howard. the only thing wrong with them is that they was in the power seat for to long. and people grew tired of him.*cough* John cena as champ *cough*
I don't think YouTube will allow that.
Minor League Brian
Master of the Legendary Triple Post
Bush wasn't the worse president, but history WILL NOT see him as a good president.
And I don't feel like getting into a political debate with you AGAIN, FTS, but did I see you say our currency is stable/good? Isn't the dollar losing money, and worth less then its been in a very long time...
And I don't feel like getting into a political debate with you AGAIN, FTS, but did I see you say our currency is stable/good? Isn't the dollar losing money, and worth less then its been in a very long time...
Shadowmancer
I am The Last Baron
thats why I used the words not-bad
Lee
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