TNA is in SERIOUS trouble

[Vintage]

First off there is no competition, WWE is sports "entertainment".. the big pink elephant in the room that will not be denied. TNA is about the wrestling first without the fluff, which is where I think the conflict for fans comes in at. You can't compete against the E and once you realize that all will be will. If TNA just does their own thing they will scoop up each and every purist who's looking for a reason to tune in again.

TNA won't fail because of long term contracts and no compete clauses. If anything it's a strike against the WWE, who unless they are future endeavoring talent is stuck paying people they don't use. I can easily see misused people like Christian asking for their release to go someplace that's not afraid to be innovative and promotes the art of professional wrestling, not a wrestling based reality television show with irrelevant guest hosts and shameless product shilling.

Also, any female wrestler who isn't in it for the money is likely looking to jump to TNA, where they can be more than just T and A


That being said, I like the WWE, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit around and support them as they currently are. The writers need to be fired, they need to step their game up big time. It's only a matter of time before even the most hardcore loyalists realize it's the same exact garbage week in and week out.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

TNA won't fail because of long term contracts and no compete clauses. If anything it's a strike against the WWE, who unless they are future endeavoring talent is stuck paying people they don't use. I can easily see misused people like Christian asking for their release to go someplace that's not afraid to be innovative and promotes the art of professional wrestling, not a wrestling based reality television show with irrelevant guest hosts and shameless product shilling.

Also, any female wrestler who isn't in it for the money is likely looking to jump to TNA, where they can be more than just T and A

It looks like that TNA is heading towards a wrestling based reality television show and professional wrestling is just like a soap opera anyways. If you're the WWE and you have wrestlers who are planning on going to TNA, of course you would pay them just to stick around even if they aren't doing anything. Sure TNA got the rating they wanted on January 4th but can they keep that up? It's early but it seems like the TNA core is getting pushed over in place of Hogan, Bischoff, and all their old friends. Pretty soon, the fans of TNA will be getting tired of it and TNA will be no competition to the WWE.

 

[justtxyank]

It's early but it seems like the TNA core is getting pushed over in place of Hogan, Bischoff, and all their old friends. Pretty soon, the fans of TNA will be getting tired of it and TNA will be no competition to the WWE.

Please clarify. What members of the "TNA core" are being "pushed over" in place of "Hogan, Bischoff and all their old friends?"

The only Hogan friends I've seen wrestle so far are Hall and Pac and they lost to TNA core members. I haven't seen any of Hogan's old friends take a main event spot, win a title, etc.

In fact, last night's ppv featured ONE match with Hogan's old friends in it.

 

[silrock316]

I agree with the poster who said that the core orlando fans are upset are the ones they have to please. TNA fans (originals) remind me alot of the ECW fans of Philadelphia, they are LOYAL. They are not going to like seeing ANY of the original TNA guys losing to a washed up Val Venis. Or even the Dudleys getting handled by the NASTY BOYS. I mean really?

After last nights PPV I believe they have backed themselves into a corner storyline wise. Right now the only logical storyline I can see happening is even Hogan turns heel. They turned 6 sides to 4 which obviously pissed off the fans, so now they need to push Jarrett and Morgan to spearhead a movement to restore what made TNA different by fueding with Hogan and his camp. It is the only logical storyline that would generate real heat from the Orlando TNA faithful, otherwise it won't be long before TNA loyalists start turning their heads away.

This whole subject with the surprise factor leads me to one of my first posts on this forum. The 90 day no compete clauses, the multi contracts and so on would not be an issue if the internet wasn't around. The internet has ruined wrestling. I am sorry. HOWEVER if TNA sticks around long enough some big named talents that WWE may want to keep when their contracts are up may give them more le-way to say they don't want 90 clauses and if Vince persists to have it in the contracts they at least have an option to go to TNA where as before WWE had any wrestler by the balls because they would have nowhere else to go.

 

[JJohns]

The one thing that you're missing with the Monday Night Wars back in the day was that guys like Hall, Nash, DiBiase, Savage....none of them were released from their WWF contracts. Each and every one of them left when their contract expired. TNA still has that, and in the past has pulled it off with Christian.

The big issue for TNA, and why it really won't succeed isn't because of they guys that let their contract expire. It's because of the wrestlers that are going to stay in WWE because they're going to earn more money. Charlie Haas comes up as an example of this. He asked for his release because of what he was being paid. Mind you, he had been sitting at home for the better part of 6 months, so was only pulling his downside guarantee. The WWE in turn gave him a pay raise.

The only wrestlers that are letting their contracts expire and go to TNA aren't the guys that want the financial stability that WWE is going to give them. They are the guys that want to work a lighter schedule or a less structured wrestling style.

That's why TNA is in SERIOUS trouble.

 

[dwith73]

This thread is such a crock of shit. People are spanking TNA left and right. People who say that WWE can't be competed with cause they have HHH, Michaels, Undertaker, and Cena, and Orton. So what if WWE has them. Most of them are only over cause they are the ones that are pushed consistantly. Cena has only been around for about 5 years. He only has about 4 wrestling moves. HHH is the same. Matter of fact thats all any of them have. The are boring. These performers don't draw all the big arena's. The history of the WWE and all the old school wrestlers push fans to continue watching WWE television.

TNA has more of the big names of wrestling than any other wrestling orginization in the world right now. Names that drew 30 -50 thousand people in arena on a weekly basis. Not what WWE pushes now at 15 - 18 thousand. Hall, Nash, Flair, Sting, Hogan, Dudley boys, and Angle to mention a few. They might not be at the top of their games now but they bring notariety to the business. Old school fan's can associate with any of those names in TNA. They bring fans that may not have watched wrestling for a while back to the tv.

Besides the Undertaker, and Michaels. There's no one in WWE that existed in mainstream wrestling before 2000. That people could recognize. HHH was just getting popular with DX. Cena wasn't even heard of. Randy orton was still a boy. Finlay is another old school tough as nails wrestler in WWE that deserves alot more than what they have for him currently. Hardy's were just getting popular, and Edge was just getting noticed.

TNA is developing slowly into the next WWE whether people want to support them or not. They are fighting to be on the top and recognized. They need big names like Hall, and Nash, Flair, and Sting to push the current younger roster, and move the company forward. TNA'S ratings are climbing, and the roster is also. Before long you will notice the Randy Orton's, and the Edge's looking to prove them selves to the next big company TNA. It is only a matter of time.

I think you will also see Matt Hardy jump ship to team with his brother as the Hardy's in TNA (where theres an actual tag team division), and they will have another great title run.

 

[justtxyank]

TNA, like ECW, would never amount to anything if the only people they worry about pleasing are their few core fans in one location. That's a long term losing strategy.

 

[Randolph H]

I was around during the successful days of WCW and I can tell you that there were a lot people on the internet praying that it failed. It seems like the same people have crawled out of the woodwork trying to hex TNA because Vinnie Mac should be the only game in town.

Lets take care of the six sided ring thing first. TNA started out with a four sided ring just like everyone else. They got a TV deal with Fox Sports Net, however Fox Sports Net didnt give them a good time slot, basically gave them a time where most people wouldnt be watching TV. CANCELED. TNA gets a chance with Spike TV because RAW is leaving for USA Network. Spike TV tells TNA to put a ring in there that looks like the UFC's octagon because it will help promote the UFC and gain TNA a MMA fanbase (which really didnt work too well) Most fans of wrestling tended to hate old six sides and said the couldnt stand to watch. It took me about 2 years of forcing myself to watch it, to get used to the ring. It is the correct thing for TNA to switch back 4 sides because it was a semi-failed gimmick that was imposed by Spike TV. When Hogan brought back the 4 sided ring, it was done in the wrong fashion. It should have been announced ahead of time and promoted. I believe that the four sided ring for Genesis was a last minute decision this past week. TNA goes into a pay per view where everyone in the crowd, the hardcore fans who are there every show get a surprise that their beloved six sides is gone. That kills the crowd for the night and ruins the pay per view. This situation could have been avoided if it was announced two weeks ago or announced for a future date instead of at genesis. Long term the four sided ring is going to be extremely beneficial to TNA because it doesnt really affect the high flyers and it helps out the bigger guys.

As far as AJ goes it is good that they paired him with Ric Flair. Flair has been extremely beneficial to talent in the past. Without Flair, Randy Orton and Batista would have never gotten over. Flair put Sting over. I am sure that Flair will develop the champ in a positive manner character wise.

Guys like Morley and Kennedy were brought in to create new feuds with the TNA guys. As you can tell Morley and Daniels are not over yet. Kennedy won againt Abyss by cheating, makings of another feud. If you want to called it WCW all over again, it isnt because it would have been Kennedy Vs Morley and Daniels and Abyss would have been left off the program.

The Nasty Boyz are not my favorite team to be brought in but they have a purpose and that is to replenish the Tag Team division which doesnt have too many teams. If you have noticed that Generation ME was brought in too. Basically that gives TNA; MCMG, 3D, Nastys, British Invasion, and Generation ME. I dont count the Tag Champions Super Mex and Matt Morgan because they are a short term gimmick Tag team that are waiting in the wings for a title shot in another division.

TNA is not in serious trouble, it is just morphing into a bigger company.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

This thread is such a crock of shit. People are spanking TNA left and right. People who say that WWE can't be competed with cause they have HHH, Michaels, Undertaker, and Cena, and Orton. So what if WWE has them. Most of them are only over cause they are the ones that are pushed consistantly. Cena has only been around for about 5 years. He only has about 4 wrestling moves. HHH is the same. Matter of fact thats all any of them have. The are boring. These performers don't draw all the big arena's. The history of the WWE and all the old school wrestlers push fans to continue watching WWE television.

TNA has more of the big names of wrestling than any other wrestling orginization in the world right now. Names that drew 30 -50 thousand people in arena on a weekly basis. Not what WWE pushes now at 15 - 18 thousand. Hall, Nash, Flair, Sting, Hogan, Dudley boys, and Angle to mention a few. They might not be at the top of their games now but they bring notariety to the business. Old school fan's can associate with any of those names in TNA. They bring fans that may not have watched wrestling for a while back to the tv.

Besides the Undertaker, and Michaels. There's no one in WWE that existed in mainstream wrestling before 2000. That people could recognize. HHH was just getting popular with DX. Cena wasn't even heard of. Randy orton was still a boy. Finlay is another old school tough as nails wrestler in WWE that deserves alot more than what they have for him currently. Hardy's were just getting popular, and Edge was just getting noticed.

TNA is developing slowly into the next WWE whether people want to support them or not. They are fighting to be on the top and recognized. They need big names like Hall, and Nash, Flair, and Sting to push the current younger roster, and move the company forward. TNA'S ratings are climbing, and the roster is also. Before long you will notice the Randy Orton's, and the Edge's looking to prove them selves to the next big company TNA. It is only a matter of time.

I think you will also see Matt Hardy jump ship to team with his brother as the Hardy's in TNA (where theres an actual tag team division), and they will have another great title run.

The WWE has been pretty damn successful with wrestlers who only know "4 moves" wouldn't you think? The quality of moves performed far exceeds the quantity of moves performed and every wrestling fan should know that.

Hall and the Nasty Boyz haven't been relevent in about fifteen years so I'm positive they don't exactly bring notoriety to TNA. The only big names TNA has had right now are Hogan, Flair, Styles, and Bischoff. WWE still has Cena, Batista, Undertaker, HHH, HBK, Orton, Edge, Jericho, and Mysterio. With TNA's roster climbing that also means more wrestlers who made their name in TNA will probably get released to make way for the "WWE rejects." TNA's 1.5 must have been like a 6.0 to them but I doubt that can get anywhere near a 2.0 or higher and stay a consistent threat to the WWE. TNA may be e improving but it will take a long time before they are even noticed by the WWE.

 

[dwith73]

The one thing that you're missing with the Monday Night Wars back in the day was that guys like Hall, Nash, DiBiase, Savage....none of them were released from their WWF contracts. Each and every one of them left when their contract expired. TNA still has that, and in the past has pulled it off with Christian.

The big issue for TNA, and why it really won't succeed isn't because of they guys that let their contract expire. It's because of the wrestlers that are going to stay in WWE because they're going to earn more money. Charlie Haas comes up as an example of this. He asked for his release because of what he was being paid. Mind you, he had been sitting at home for the better part of 6 months, so was only pulling his downside guarantee. The WWE in turn gave him a pay raise.

The only wrestlers that are letting their contracts expire and go to TNA aren't the guys that want the financial stability that WWE is going to give them. They are the guys that want to work a lighter schedule or a less structured wrestling style.

That's why TNA is in SERIOUS trouble.

TNA is forging new ground. They are expanding. There is already talks of TNA going live on what ever night(which they are pushing for mondays), and they will continue to climb. Hogans tour in Australia were pulling in 4- 6 thousand people a show. Thats only with about a dozen wrestlers. Now most of them are in TNA, and with the roster TNA has I see no problem with them drawing 8- 10 thousand people, and continue to grow.

The WWE has been pretty damn successful with wrestlers who only know "4 moves" wouldn't you think? The quality of moves performed far exceeds the quantity of moves performed and every wrestling fan should know that.

Hall and the Nasty Boyz haven't been relevent in about fifteen years so I'm positive they don't exactly bring notoriety to TNA. The only big names TNA has had right now are Hogan, Flair, Styles, and Bischoff. WWE still has Cena, Batista, Undertaker, HHH, HBK, Orton, Edge, Jericho, and Mysterio. With TNA's roster climbing that also means more wrestlers who made their name in TNA will probably get released to make way for the "WWE rejects." TNA's 1.5 must have been like a 6.0 to them but I doubt that can get anywhere near a 2.0 or higher and stay a consistent threat to the WWE. TNA may be e improving but it will take a long time before they are even noticed by the WWE.

Every single match that Cena has has already been seen in his previous matches. It's the same boring moves. They get really boring. HBK is the same way. Every single match is the exact same in every way right down to their moves.

TNA wrestling is fast and furious, and different. Every week they wrestle and the match is consistantly different every single week. Different moves, and matches feel more genuine than the WWE's

The WWE has been pretty damn successful with wrestlers who only know "4 moves" wouldn't you think? The quality of moves performed far exceeds the quantity of moves performed and every wrestling fan should know that.

Hall and the Nasty Boyz haven't been relevent in about fifteen years so I'm positive they don't exactly bring notoriety to TNA. The only big names TNA has had right now are Hogan, Flair, Styles, and Bischoff. WWE still has Cena, Batista, Undertaker, HHH, HBK, Orton, Edge, Jericho, and Mysterio. With TNA's roster climbing that also means more wrestlers who made their name in TNA will probably get released to make way for the "WWE rejects." TNA's 1.5 must have been like a 6.0 to them but I doubt that can get anywhere near a 2.0 or higher and stay a consistent threat to the WWE. TNA may be e improving but it will take a long time before they are even noticed by the WWE.

WWE still has Cena, Batista, Undertaker, HHH, HBK, Orton, Edge, Jericho, and Mysterio.
These guy's you just mentioned are only popular on tv right now cause they are the ONLY ONES that get more air time than anyone else. Do you know why? Cause they are the only names anyone can relate to as popular, because thats's the only ones that wrestling fans can associate with.

 

[go2war313]

dumb asses hogan and bischoff haven't been in the scene for a month and yall are already talking bs . Folks it can't happen overnight WCW didn't get popular overnight it took years and planing . So what they took away the 6 sided ring don't u know alot of ppl didn't watch TNA becuz of there ring I liked the 6 sided ring but wouldn't mind a change. So stop bashing TNA because of the decisions Hogan & Bischoff are making let me remind you Bischoff is a genius the decisions he is making now is to benefit down the road. And yes tna wants to get out the impact zone but taking it on the road cost money and tna is big enough yet thats when bischoff & hogan comes in play get wrestlers ppl know about Mr. Ken Anderson , Jeff Hardy, Scott Hall & Syxx, Kurt Angle, Bobby Lashley, kevin Nash, Scott Steiner, And more would ppl go to see Somoa Joe, Chris Daniels, MCMG, Homicide, Suicide, and other TNA Originals the answer is NO out of 5 TNA Originals only 1 might blow up and catch the crowd attention see U need big names for ppl to wonder where is Jeff Hardy and Mr. Kennedy and they see there on TNA and they tune it just to see the former wwe star or wcw star and see the product tna offers and becomes a tna fan down the road

 

[nu2pleazu]

I have watched TNA on and off for awhile and they were hit or miss. Now with Hogan and Bischoff I think they are confused. Everything they want to come off as Face the fans are hating / booing Examples:
Hogan response to Jarret the first show.
Val ven.. Sean morley and daniels. The fans cheered when daniels attacked.
The big one when they introduced the four sides the fans booed and chanted we want six sides and he said it doesn’t matter what you think that is Heel my friend.

TNA might not have been the best but what they di build has been brought crashing back down. Old guys and old wcw ways do not help them win at all the only hope is to book the young guys to go over some of the established but we all know that aint gonna happen.

They redid the whole Jarret / Hogan bit this past Thursday with Jarret coming off a little selfish and heelish. But then they turn Styles heel at the end of genesis he was fighting a heel and turns heel , he fought tomko Thursday and now the build up to that will be forgotten nd they will make up. . They make no sense and have no continuity.

Hogan, Bischoff and all of the new (old/neverwas) talent Hall, waltman, nasty boys, val venus, Orlando Jordan , steiner,whoever the hell else they want to bring in, add a couple TNA guys to jump ship as heels trying to take over and destroy everthing that TNA has built and this will be hogans way or the highway . Vs Foley , jarret , flair and the younger tna guys as the saviors of the way tna has grown and they don’t want the same old thing that died WCW. It would be 2 factions like they wanted with NWO. But this time they do not dominat e but use the time as putting over the younger guys and then when they are over they hall watmans etc fade away and youhave built your .

One more thing is they have been showing sting in the rafters during Hogan and “the Band” stuff. So he will come in as a Heel and get cheered more than Hogan. They just don’t get it. They need to flip flop what they think is face and what they think is heel .


I believe Hogan is getting paid by VINCE ( to destroy whatever TNA had, a small following) and TNA because they think he is there to help. But as you say HOGAN IS OUT FOR HIMSLEF ALL THE TIME.

January 4th 2010 is the day that Hulk Hogan revived (yeah right) KILLED TNA.

Finally somebody realizes what is going on. IF anybody watched a couple episodes of the last season of hogan knows best on vh1 last year they will remember hogan was negotiating with vince and signed a long 20 year contract with wwe because he was going broke and bitching about his wife at the time constant senseless spending. That contract also included promoting brooke hogan which they did. Now amazingly wwe own all names and trademarks of there wrestlers and they all changed there names for tna except hogan? Do i believe bishoff is the genius behind wcw rise no (does he look like a genius in awa) NO. I truely believe vince sent hogan/russo to wcw to crash that company it was all calculated right down to the monday night wars vince took the loss for future video sales (vince seems to love selling monday night wars videos that wwe was losing) vince hates jarret and is out to kill tna fast hence pissing off fans as fast as possible destroying the foundation tna was built on 6 sided ring. having wrestlers that sucked even in wwe (val venus, shannon moore, kennedy ect ect ect pulling off victories over long standing tna favorites. bishoff and hogan running the show, ex wwe talent, nwo and sting in the rafters it worked once and destroyed a company why not do it again and instead of taking 6 years to buy out the competition itll be done in less than a year. No sense in prolonging it, no 80s memorable moments to make a rise and fall dvd like wcw had, no big names for compilation videos, no memorable factions for a video, no assets to sell off just a new webpage for wwe.com were are they now lol

 

[thegoatone]

The only thing i'm wonderin is, when does Ed "The Disciple" Leslie show up! TNA or Hogan and Bitchoff rather, I might be wrong, but gonna be TNA's downfall. You can't just bring your friends on t.v. after several years not seein em looking like crap (hell even they're afraid to wrestle cuz they're ashamed of their bodies) Shove em down our throat and expect us to actually be happy to see them perform? Or expect us to believe they've still got it? All o Hogan's lackeys were done when vince bought wcw.

And now Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff r taking away what made TNA, I think yea i know You can do crazy stuff with a 4 sided ring, But 6 sides was their signature, Correct me if i'm wrong but when it was TNA/NWA or NWA/TNA they had a 4 sided ring and it didn't cut it so they up the ante and put 6 sides out there with some amazing talent and got some exposure. I thought competiton was not about doing the same shit as your competitor? I know their's @ least one who will say yes to this next question, But You don't go to McDonald's for a whopper, do ya? I'm not a regular viewer of TNA but when I watched it the ring stood out, and all the young guys are freakin amazing, Kurt Angle's the man, And Sting is their HBK/Taker (I say that because no matter how many times you see these men wrestle, you KNOW their gonna deliver!) And Hogan ( I don't care who says i'm wrong because history proves it self!!!) WILL push everybody else to the backburner, just so HE can have the spotlight! What was the focus point on TNA 1/4 when Hogan was doin his promo? He's gonna make a change or something, I didn't care cuz i was watchin The Hitman!!!

He is gonna make a change by makin us re live something(s) that only worked once, WCW, NWO, and Now i'm supposed to believe that Sting is dark and secluded again living in the rafters?! F*** HOGAN! It's bad enough he's brought back all o his lame ass friends to T.V., But he had to go and Bring one of my personal favorites back, Ric Flair... @ WrestleMania 24 Hbk and Naitch, in my opinion was the high profile match o the night...Ric Flair loses...Retires at wrestlemania...Great Ending to a great career...Then Hogan brings him out of retirement out of Hogan's own selfishness (because he wasn't the one who retired him) So he can beat him down all week in Austrailia? You ARE RIC F'N FLAIR!!! You should of really kicked the piss outta him for the way he done you in WCW. And as God as my witness, if Flair steps in that TNA ring To be an in-ring competitor, he won't tarnish his legacy, He will have unceremoniously taken a massive dump on his career!!! Flair's career ended after WrestleMania 24.

Call me a hogan hater, i'm not, i just don't like people who get an amount of power say their gonna do something and turn around and say I forgot, My Bad...So Yea TNA is in a heap o trouble IF they go down the road the SAME DAMN STORYLINE i watched in 1996 in a different company, And still have THE SAME DAMN PEOPLE!

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

dumb asses hogan and bischoff haven't been in the scene for a month and yall are already talking bs . Folks it can't happen overnight WCW didn't get popular overnight it took years and planing . So what they took away the 6 sided ring don't u know alot of ppl didn't watch TNA becuz of there ring I liked the 6 sided ring but wouldn't mind a change. So stop bashing TNA because of the decisions Hogan & Bischoff are making let me remind you Bischoff is a genius the decisions he is making now is to benefit down the road. And yes tna wants to get out the impact zone but taking it on the road cost money and tna is big enough yet thats when bischoff & hogan comes in play get wrestlers ppl know about Mr. Ken Anderson , Jeff Hardy, Scott Hall & Syxx, Kurt Angle, Bobby Lashley, kevin Nash, Scott Steiner, And more would ppl go to see Somoa Joe, Chris Daniels, MCMG, Homicide, Suicide, and other TNA Originals the answer is NO out of 5 TNA Originals only 1 might blow up and catch the crowd attention see U need big names for ppl to wonder where is Jeff Hardy and Mr. Kennedy and they see there on TNA and they tune it just to see the former wwe star or wcw star and see the product tna offers and becomes a tna fan down the road

People have known about X-Pac, Hall, and Nash for years and stopped caring about them so why should they care about them now that "The Band" is back. 90% of the fans there probably don't know even about the NWO so why are they going to go gaga over guys who clearly don't have it anymore. With all the former WWE talent TNA has gotten over the years, they haven't been exactly blowing the roof off the place. I still believe TNA is about guys like Jarrett, Angle, Daniels, Joe, MCMG, etc and the way things are looking, they may become a memory instead of the cornerstone.

WWE still has Cena, Batista, Undertaker, HHH, HBK, Orton, Edge, Jericho, and Mysterio.
These guy's you just mentioned are only popular on tv right now cause they are the ONLY ONES that get more air time than anyone else. Do you know why? Cause they are the only names anyone can relate to as popular, because thats's the only ones that wrestling fans can associate with.

Could that be because they have been great and damn successful over the years and would be the first people recognize. I'm sure when guys like Evan Bourne and Primo put on great matches that they will be associated with by wrestling fans. They are still more popular than 95% of TNA right now and that is not going to change in the near future. WWE has more fans than TNA hence fans are going to recognize WWE superstars more than TNA's plain and simple.

 

[Dspiracy]

Wow, everytime I come up here, i read two things. TNA will fail and WCW. First off, WCW was very successful, more successful than at the time WWF probably until the final year. So WCW compared to TNA is a compliment. Now TNA, this is a beginning of good things. If anyone seen the conclusion to Genesis last night, knows that TNA is doing something different and going to do something major. It wont happen over night, duh, so every suspecting fail, i believe the joke is on you. I say 6 months to a year from now, you can really speak on how TNA have grown or further damaged themselves, but right now, what ya say really dont mean crap.

 

[doubles87]

Everyone needs to relax and let it takes its course. We'll find out if TNA will make it or not. In order to grow TNA needs to grab some of these guys and not just offer the same thing. Changes need to be made because it was getting a max of 1.1 ratings for years. The MEM was about the only "BIG" deal TNA had for most of that time. With the big names they brought in, it will definitely get some attention slowly and with going live on Mondays that will give it a HUGE push. If you are watching wrestling and its on two channels, then your bound to check out the other. At least finally TNA is getting interesting. TNA didnt build ALL of the guys that well so bringing in some new faces is necessary .

 

[goldbergiswrestling]

Lets take care of the six sided ring thing first. TNA started out with a four sided ring just like everyone else. They got a TV deal with Fox Sports Net, however Fox Sports Net didnt give them a good time slot, basically gave them a time where most people wouldnt be watching TV. CANCELED. TNA gets a chance with Spike TV because RAW is leaving for USA Network. Spike TV tells TNA to put a ring in there that looks like the UFC's octagon because it will help promote the UFC and gain TNA a MMA fanbase (which really didnt work too well)

TNA debuted the six sided ring at least a year before debuting on Spike TV they had the six sided ring while airing on FSN

 

[silrock316]

This thread is such a crock of shit. People are spanking TNA left and right. People who say that WWE can't be competed with cause they have HHH, Michaels, Undertaker, and Cena, and Orton. So what if WWE has them. Most of them are only over cause they are the ones that are pushed consistantly. Cena has only been around for about 5 years. He only has about 4 wrestling moves. HHH is the same. Matter of fact thats all any of them have. The are boring. These performers don't draw all the big arena's. The history of the WWE and all the old school wrestlers push fans to continue watching WWE television.

TNA has more of the big names of wrestling than any other wrestling orginization in the world right now. Names that drew 30 -50 thousand people in arena on a weekly basis. Not what WWE pushes now at 15 - 18 thousand. Hall, Nash, Flair, Sting, Hogan, Dudley boys, and Angle to mention a few. They might not be at the top of their games now but they bring notariety to the business. Old school fan's can associate with any of those names in TNA. They bring fans that may not have watched wrestling for a while back to the tv.

Besides the Undertaker, and Michaels. There's no one in WWE that existed in mainstream wrestling before 2000. That people could recognize. HHH was just getting popular with DX. Cena wasn't even heard of. Randy orton was still a boy. Finlay is another old school tough as nails wrestler in WWE that deserves alot more than what they have for him currently. Hardy's were just getting popular, and Edge was just getting noticed.

TNA is developing slowly into the next WWE whether people want to support them or not. They are fighting to be on the top and recognized. They need big names like Hall, and Nash, Flair, and Sting to push the current younger roster, and move the company forward. TNA'S ratings are climbing, and the roster is also. Before long you will notice the Randy Orton's, and the Edge's looking to prove them selves to the next big company TNA. It is only a matter of time.

I think you will also see Matt Hardy jump ship to team with his brother as the Hardy's in TNA (where theres an actual tag team division), and they will have another great title run.

With all do respect Nash and Hall and all of them didn't fill out 50 thousand seats when most Hockey/Basketball arenas are a 22,000 capacity which WWE still does fill on the right nights.

 

[goldbergiswrestling]

Everyone needs to relax and let it takes its course. We'll find out if TNA will make it or not. In order to grow TNA needs to grab some of these guys and not just offer the same thing. Changes need to be made because it was getting a max of 1.1 ratings for years. The MEM was about the only "BIG" deal TNA had for most of that time. With the big names they brought in, it will definitely get some attention slowly and with going live on Mondays that will give it a HUGE push. If you are watching wrestling and its on two channels, then your bound to check out the other. At least finally TNA is getting interesting. TNA didnt build ALL of the guys that well so bringing in some new faces is necessary .

I couldnt have said it better myself except I have always found TNA interesting, but TNA still has a chance, keep an open mind and see what happens, besides, if ur really a wrestling fan u would watch TNA on thursdays since WWE isnt on because competition creates a better product for both companies

 

[dwith73]

Could that be because they have been great and damn successful over the years and would be the first people recognize. I'm sure when guys like Evan Bourne and Primo put on great matches that they will be associated with by wrestling fans. They are still more popular than 95% of TNA right now and that is not going to change in the near future. WWE has more fans than TNA hence fans are going to recognize WWE superstars more than TNA's plain and simple.

Again the only reason these guy's you talk about are popular is because that's all WWE HAS for big names to push. I must say also that EVan Bourne is an excellant wrestler, and he even was been on twitter, saying that he HATES WWE, and want's to jump to TNA....you are so pro-wwe it makes me sick.
also with all the guys you sayare pushing WWE, you need to realize their rating have dropped from high 6's to mediocre 3's in the last 5 years that they all have been at the top

 

[goldbergiswrestling]

With all do respect Nash and Hall and all of them didn't fill out 50 thousand seats when most Hockey/Basketball arenas are a 22,000 capacity which WWE still does fill on the right nights.

I dont think either of the hardys are really interested in teaming together, right now they want singles careers, I also dont see Matt coming to TNA, Id like him to but I doubt it. I see this being similar to Brett going WCW and Owen satying in WWF (except without Matt falling to his death) I see Jeff going on to be rather successful in TNA and Matt struggling to get out of the mid card in WWE

 

[dwith73]

With all do respect Nash and Hall and all of them didn't fill out 50 thousand seats when most Hockey/Basketball arenas are a 22,000 capacity which WWE still does fill on the right nights.

My point i was trying to make is these guys in TNA filled those seats repeatedly in every show. They all have been in the big show WRESTLEMANIA when the seat were 40 -50 thousand. They are brand names in wrestling whether people like them or not, it's hard to talk about the history of wrestling in the last 20 years and NOT bring up any of the big names TNA has right now.

 

[fjhutc]

I don't think TNA are in trouble yet but if they start focusing on the older guys like NWO then they will have major problems. They really need to be careful. The originals like AJ are brilliant. I've been a WWE fan for years but i'v really enjoyed the unpredictability of TNA and the fact they don't have one or two top guys that are always going to be in the main event. I just hope Hogan and Bischoff don't screw that up

 

[Zeedeevel]

There are so many people that like tna just because its not wwe. With that making up at least 35% of the fan base I would say that is trouble. TNA doesnt have to put on a good show to keep 1/3 of their fans because people will still watch just because its not wwe. TNA is simply benefitting from the fact that wwe is a little down right now in terms of popularity and fans just want to tune into something else. TNA is in trouble if they rush themselves to try and compete. Now I am not a person that wants them to fail, but I just can't see them being competition for wwe

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Again the only reason these guy's you talk about are popular is because that's all WWE HAS for big names to push. I must say also that EVan Bourne is an excellant wrestler, and he even was been on twitter, saying that he HATES WWE, and want's to jump to TNA....you are so pro-wwe it makes me sick.
also with all the guys you sayare pushing WWE, you need to realize their rating have dropped from high 6's to mediocre 3's in the last 5 years that they all have been at the top

I bet you think me being pro-WWE means that I'm anti-TNA. You don't have to answer that.

WWE has the standard big names and they have wrestlers they are grooming like McIntyre, Sheamus, Miz, and Kofi to take over once the veterans retire. TNA has their foundation in Styles, Joe, Daniels, Beer Money, etc. but where are the ones they are grooming. Wolfe has already lost his luster and you have Morgan and Hernandez and that's it. Women's wrestling hasn't been a draw so the Knockouts being better doesn't amount to much in the long run.

I know WWE's ratings have dropped because it's a new era and they couldn't maintain those high numbers forever. However, they are still close to a 4.0 almost each and every week and TNA will have to do something extraordinary to at least get half that and I don't see it in the near future.