OverkillInc_Rage
Dark Match Jobber
No no no, it's not that easy. You twist my words well and present them in a way that makes me look ridiculous but I am smarter than that, fortunately for you most of these others are not.
I know kayfabe, I know storyline, and how a match unfolds as the wrestlers tell the story, I know more than you probably do about the business and its history. You are a smart mark at best and simply an internet know it all that really knows very little. So you take my words, manipulate them, and think you have owned me??? That is hardly the case.
Samoa Joe sucks plain and simple and my point the whole time has been that Kevin Nash in his prime and even now at his worst is still better. I gave you the point that he can't do what a lot of guys can do in the ring, but he is a good enough performer that he can still make guys look good either way, you fail to see and realize that is a possibility, probably because your a fanboy, nothing more.
Your die hard defense of Samoa Joe is a prime example, any real wrestler, or anyone who watches wrestling as a wrestler can see he sucks. He doesn't sell well, he seems totally fake when on the mic, comes off as an asshole on the mic which I tried saying a few times already but you act like I am thinking it's real or something, no I've been saying the whole time he has shitty mic skills, and is unbelievable at best.
He does botchy moves which I've now had to say a million times because you are too thick to pick up what I'm putting down.
I tried to point out Kevin Nash's physical ability you refute that, I try to point out that despite all the crap you say about him, he has wrestled with all the best (which isn't by coincidence, meaning he must be as good as them at least, too thick for that I guess too.) you say that has no credit to him which is the furthest from the truth, you say he sucks so bad but I bet he wrestles better than you do from your computer chair acting like you know something, criticizing one of the greatest like you've accomplished something greater.
I pointed out that Samoa Joes matches are not entertaining at all because you always know he's going to win and you agree but I am still the dumb ass somehow??? That's rich!!!! You agree with one of my main points and just try to act like that isn't valid??? Yeah right, I call you on it. I point out his shitty Enzuigiri which a guy his size shouldn't be attempting and you just refer back to Kevin Nash with no defense??? Who’s the real bitch here??? Obviously you. I actually respond and give answers you just twist words and try to put on a comedy routine for the rest of the marks.
You tried to say I lie about things but I have told no lies. I spoke about Samoa Joe always winning against better talent and used Kurt Angle as an example. Kurt Angle beat him once yes in their first meeting, but they made it a screw job win which might as well not be a win at all and only made Angle, the obviously better guy, look like a bitch.
That's what I am talking about when I am talking about Joe going over even to better guys. They make him look indestructible, like he's such a bad ass that everyone has to just cheat to beat him, or when he lost the X-division title because he couldn't climb the ropes over the ring, they made it like he was better than everyone else but he just got cheated because he was too much man to climb those ropes. Yeah right.
You agree with ever thing that proves everything I said right and not radical or out there at all. But, when you were either misinterpreting what I said, or just being a douche bag all you had to rebuttal with was smart ass remarks, nothing valid at all. So how has Uncle Sam owned anybody but himself by contradicting everything he has said. You try to give an inch and take a mile.
You admitted Nash was good in the ring, just as I said he was especially for his size, never anything special true, but was good none the less, point proven.
I said Nash is obviously a bigger superstar and you agree, but try to downplay that by saying that has nothing to do with star power??? How is that??? Because you make a radical example with rapists and serial killers??? Ok. That's ******ed.
If people hear that Kevin Nash is going to be at a show they are going to buy a ticket just from hearing his name, try that with Samoa Joe, he isn't close to that yet. That's truth, not made up. And like you said Nash has been around a lot longer, so of course, Joe couldn't be close which validates everything I have been saying, and that you have been admitting for me.
You even admit that Joe doesn't get ratings, which is true then make excuses for it somehow??? Yet I am wrong and off base??? How the shit does that work??? And who’s really the out of whack one here??? I have stated all legit provable and solid stuff. All you have done is make smart ass comments that make fun of me or what I have said, nothing solid at all. So who's really talking shit and talking truth?? Obviously you are the bullshit artist and I'll give you that, you are slick, and used my words against me well, but you left yourself waaay too open, and made too many mistakes in your own words to have really dealt me up at all. Now I will continue exposing you.
So after admitting all the vital points that I made to be true which already means you were wrong and full of shit you thought that I was finished??? No not by a long shot.
Look even at the beginning of your post, you agree that Nash is a bigger name, and that by common sense means more popular, yet you go on to say that a guy who is still up and coming, not been around a fraction of the time, and doesn't even have that big a fan base is more popular??? Who is twisting their facts here??? Even common sense is a problem for you it appears, but again, I am the one who has it all confused apparently. He might in your mind or with your small group of marks and know it all fans be more popular but where it counts he's a flop.
You said in black and white “Problem was, this badass looked like he needed a piggy back ride from someone as useless as Nash, and hemiraged(Hemorrhaged is the correct spelling by the way since you felt the need to correct any of my little misspelling since your so smart, you didn’t even use it right in the sentence for what you were trying to say, fuck you suck man, try phonics next time or something.) Credibility in the process.
Let's break that down shall we class.
"Problem was," meaning he had a problem
"This bad ass looked like he needed a piggy back ride" Needed someone to help put him over, ok I got it. So far I am correct.
"From someone as useless as Nash, and hemiraged(there’s that shotty spelling again) credibility in the process." Ok, needed help from Nash and still couldn't look credible because he never was to begin with, ok. Got it. Looks like you argued well enough for me. Thanks for proving me right the whole time.
I see that you piss yourself too, how cute. You know there are meds for that. Oh yeah and for your crack addiction too. Just thought I'd help.
Well here we go again, let's see what else you said to make yourself look like an idiot.
"Nobody in TNA is marketable enough to take TNA to WCW's level. And yes, Nash used to be bigger than Joe. I admitted that. But Nash was never, ever the true number one in his company and he never truly carried a company. Guys like Hogan made him."
So here you agree with what I have been saying all along, that TNA has a shitty roster to begin with, and no star power which includes Samoa Joe. So you just proved yourself wrong right there, how again was I so off base??? OH yeah I was right, that's it, my mistake.
You even agree that Nash was bigger than Joe; you just forgot 3 words "and still is". And somehow by your book being the champion in the #1 company in the world for over a year doesn't make you the company guy and has no role in carrying the company, how lovely. I think you are the one who needs to ya know, zip back into reality.
And for the record it wasn't Hogan who made him, he was made before he got with Hogan, which was my whole point about the nWo slapnuts. Nash and Hall were already established, made, whatever you want to say, and Hogan needed to align himself with those guys which meant turning heel, I already said that but apparently you missed that point and reiterated it for me so thanks for proving me right on that one too.
It was a two way street. They both needed one for the other. Hall and Nash needed a guy as big or bigger to make it all legit, and Hogan needed a new opportunity to go over and that opportunity was the nWo with the outsiders. I think we basically have the same understanding of this but explain it differently that's all. I think we can agree that they needed each other and leave that at that.
So let's look more at your weak response. You said that Joes RNC(rear naked choke) is more convincing than a jackknife??? Ok. I thought a guy 7 ft tall picking you up over his head and slamming you like a rag doll might lay you out worse but apparently I was wrong. Yeah, there is nothing devastating about that is there, I guess it is more spectacular to see some fat tub wrap himself around another guy like he's dry humping him and act like he's choking him, as opposed to a move that looks like it really would paralyze you. I know he has another move that is supposed to be a big finish too but I have rarely seen him do it, but have never been impressed with it so don't bother trying to put it over as some big deal either, you've been shut down enough as is so far.
"He got to the top by being a decent performer, getting good opponents and politics. He had more memorable shit matches than he did memorable good matches."
Here is another instance where you shot yourself in the foot. You agree once again with me by admitting weakly that he was a good wrestler and that's how he got to the top, and I will even be nice and add that you are right about the fact that being apart of "The Click" had it's perks i.e. politics. Then you go on to say he had more shit matches than good ones which is completely improvable, least of all by you. Have you seen all his matches??? did you go to every house show? and watch every ppv? did you follow his career like a stalker to grade every match you could as crap because he was more than you ever have been, will be or, were??? You can call him a has been all you want, your never was with no credentials so why should anyone believe anything you have said. I at least know the game, how to wrestle, and the history of the business, you???
I suppose now you're going to make up a bunch of shit, and talk a bunch of shit about you did this that and the other thing, but everyone should know, it is a lie. Of course once someone calls you on it, your going to say a bunch of stuff out of spite whether it's true or not. The point is that I do know what I am talking about and you have a very weak argument and clouded perception.
HMMM what other atrocities have come out your mouth let's see.... Oh yeah you tried to say that Nash has never been able to display emotion or malice or anything like that. I think anyone who has ever watched him in WCW knows that Uncle Sam’s statement is a complete lie. Just to help you out here is a definition of Malice
Malice - desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another, either because of a hostile impulse or out of deep-seated meanness, evil intent on the part of a person who commits a wrongful act injurious to others, A desire to harm others or to see others suffer; extreme ill will or spite.
I guess everything with the NWO, Wolfpack, all of that doesn't count to Uncle Sam does it. After all, it's not like Hall and Nash were there to(in storyline) take over the WCW and do all of it out of pure evil, meanness and spite because they felt just could, wow I'm glad I wasn't mistaken Sam. Thanks for setting me straight. What a reject. How did you get this job anyways??? What a joke. You completely ignored an entire era of wrestling. You're starting to look less and less credible by the second, quick, go to damage control, hurry, get a fire extinguisher before you burn completely up and there is nothing left, salvage what you can, you just got smoked!!!
I know kayfabe, I know storyline, and how a match unfolds as the wrestlers tell the story, I know more than you probably do about the business and its history. You are a smart mark at best and simply an internet know it all that really knows very little. So you take my words, manipulate them, and think you have owned me??? That is hardly the case.
Samoa Joe sucks plain and simple and my point the whole time has been that Kevin Nash in his prime and even now at his worst is still better. I gave you the point that he can't do what a lot of guys can do in the ring, but he is a good enough performer that he can still make guys look good either way, you fail to see and realize that is a possibility, probably because your a fanboy, nothing more.
Your die hard defense of Samoa Joe is a prime example, any real wrestler, or anyone who watches wrestling as a wrestler can see he sucks. He doesn't sell well, he seems totally fake when on the mic, comes off as an asshole on the mic which I tried saying a few times already but you act like I am thinking it's real or something, no I've been saying the whole time he has shitty mic skills, and is unbelievable at best.
He does botchy moves which I've now had to say a million times because you are too thick to pick up what I'm putting down.
I tried to point out Kevin Nash's physical ability you refute that, I try to point out that despite all the crap you say about him, he has wrestled with all the best (which isn't by coincidence, meaning he must be as good as them at least, too thick for that I guess too.) you say that has no credit to him which is the furthest from the truth, you say he sucks so bad but I bet he wrestles better than you do from your computer chair acting like you know something, criticizing one of the greatest like you've accomplished something greater.
I pointed out that Samoa Joes matches are not entertaining at all because you always know he's going to win and you agree but I am still the dumb ass somehow??? That's rich!!!! You agree with one of my main points and just try to act like that isn't valid??? Yeah right, I call you on it. I point out his shitty Enzuigiri which a guy his size shouldn't be attempting and you just refer back to Kevin Nash with no defense??? Who’s the real bitch here??? Obviously you. I actually respond and give answers you just twist words and try to put on a comedy routine for the rest of the marks.
You tried to say I lie about things but I have told no lies. I spoke about Samoa Joe always winning against better talent and used Kurt Angle as an example. Kurt Angle beat him once yes in their first meeting, but they made it a screw job win which might as well not be a win at all and only made Angle, the obviously better guy, look like a bitch.
That's what I am talking about when I am talking about Joe going over even to better guys. They make him look indestructible, like he's such a bad ass that everyone has to just cheat to beat him, or when he lost the X-division title because he couldn't climb the ropes over the ring, they made it like he was better than everyone else but he just got cheated because he was too much man to climb those ropes. Yeah right.
You agree with ever thing that proves everything I said right and not radical or out there at all. But, when you were either misinterpreting what I said, or just being a douche bag all you had to rebuttal with was smart ass remarks, nothing valid at all. So how has Uncle Sam owned anybody but himself by contradicting everything he has said. You try to give an inch and take a mile.
You admitted Nash was good in the ring, just as I said he was especially for his size, never anything special true, but was good none the less, point proven.
I said Nash is obviously a bigger superstar and you agree, but try to downplay that by saying that has nothing to do with star power??? How is that??? Because you make a radical example with rapists and serial killers??? Ok. That's ******ed.
If people hear that Kevin Nash is going to be at a show they are going to buy a ticket just from hearing his name, try that with Samoa Joe, he isn't close to that yet. That's truth, not made up. And like you said Nash has been around a lot longer, so of course, Joe couldn't be close which validates everything I have been saying, and that you have been admitting for me.
You even admit that Joe doesn't get ratings, which is true then make excuses for it somehow??? Yet I am wrong and off base??? How the shit does that work??? And who’s really the out of whack one here??? I have stated all legit provable and solid stuff. All you have done is make smart ass comments that make fun of me or what I have said, nothing solid at all. So who's really talking shit and talking truth?? Obviously you are the bullshit artist and I'll give you that, you are slick, and used my words against me well, but you left yourself waaay too open, and made too many mistakes in your own words to have really dealt me up at all. Now I will continue exposing you.
So after admitting all the vital points that I made to be true which already means you were wrong and full of shit you thought that I was finished??? No not by a long shot.
Look even at the beginning of your post, you agree that Nash is a bigger name, and that by common sense means more popular, yet you go on to say that a guy who is still up and coming, not been around a fraction of the time, and doesn't even have that big a fan base is more popular??? Who is twisting their facts here??? Even common sense is a problem for you it appears, but again, I am the one who has it all confused apparently. He might in your mind or with your small group of marks and know it all fans be more popular but where it counts he's a flop.
You said in black and white “Problem was, this badass looked like he needed a piggy back ride from someone as useless as Nash, and hemiraged(Hemorrhaged is the correct spelling by the way since you felt the need to correct any of my little misspelling since your so smart, you didn’t even use it right in the sentence for what you were trying to say, fuck you suck man, try phonics next time or something.) Credibility in the process.
Let's break that down shall we class.
"Problem was," meaning he had a problem
"This bad ass looked like he needed a piggy back ride" Needed someone to help put him over, ok I got it. So far I am correct.
"From someone as useless as Nash, and hemiraged(there’s that shotty spelling again) credibility in the process." Ok, needed help from Nash and still couldn't look credible because he never was to begin with, ok. Got it. Looks like you argued well enough for me. Thanks for proving me right the whole time.
I see that you piss yourself too, how cute. You know there are meds for that. Oh yeah and for your crack addiction too. Just thought I'd help.
Well here we go again, let's see what else you said to make yourself look like an idiot.
"Nobody in TNA is marketable enough to take TNA to WCW's level. And yes, Nash used to be bigger than Joe. I admitted that. But Nash was never, ever the true number one in his company and he never truly carried a company. Guys like Hogan made him."
So here you agree with what I have been saying all along, that TNA has a shitty roster to begin with, and no star power which includes Samoa Joe. So you just proved yourself wrong right there, how again was I so off base??? OH yeah I was right, that's it, my mistake.
You even agree that Nash was bigger than Joe; you just forgot 3 words "and still is". And somehow by your book being the champion in the #1 company in the world for over a year doesn't make you the company guy and has no role in carrying the company, how lovely. I think you are the one who needs to ya know, zip back into reality.
And for the record it wasn't Hogan who made him, he was made before he got with Hogan, which was my whole point about the nWo slapnuts. Nash and Hall were already established, made, whatever you want to say, and Hogan needed to align himself with those guys which meant turning heel, I already said that but apparently you missed that point and reiterated it for me so thanks for proving me right on that one too.
It was a two way street. They both needed one for the other. Hall and Nash needed a guy as big or bigger to make it all legit, and Hogan needed a new opportunity to go over and that opportunity was the nWo with the outsiders. I think we basically have the same understanding of this but explain it differently that's all. I think we can agree that they needed each other and leave that at that.
So let's look more at your weak response. You said that Joes RNC(rear naked choke) is more convincing than a jackknife??? Ok. I thought a guy 7 ft tall picking you up over his head and slamming you like a rag doll might lay you out worse but apparently I was wrong. Yeah, there is nothing devastating about that is there, I guess it is more spectacular to see some fat tub wrap himself around another guy like he's dry humping him and act like he's choking him, as opposed to a move that looks like it really would paralyze you. I know he has another move that is supposed to be a big finish too but I have rarely seen him do it, but have never been impressed with it so don't bother trying to put it over as some big deal either, you've been shut down enough as is so far.
"He got to the top by being a decent performer, getting good opponents and politics. He had more memorable shit matches than he did memorable good matches."
Here is another instance where you shot yourself in the foot. You agree once again with me by admitting weakly that he was a good wrestler and that's how he got to the top, and I will even be nice and add that you are right about the fact that being apart of "The Click" had it's perks i.e. politics. Then you go on to say he had more shit matches than good ones which is completely improvable, least of all by you. Have you seen all his matches??? did you go to every house show? and watch every ppv? did you follow his career like a stalker to grade every match you could as crap because he was more than you ever have been, will be or, were??? You can call him a has been all you want, your never was with no credentials so why should anyone believe anything you have said. I at least know the game, how to wrestle, and the history of the business, you???
I suppose now you're going to make up a bunch of shit, and talk a bunch of shit about you did this that and the other thing, but everyone should know, it is a lie. Of course once someone calls you on it, your going to say a bunch of stuff out of spite whether it's true or not. The point is that I do know what I am talking about and you have a very weak argument and clouded perception.
HMMM what other atrocities have come out your mouth let's see.... Oh yeah you tried to say that Nash has never been able to display emotion or malice or anything like that. I think anyone who has ever watched him in WCW knows that Uncle Sam’s statement is a complete lie. Just to help you out here is a definition of Malice
Malice - desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another, either because of a hostile impulse or out of deep-seated meanness, evil intent on the part of a person who commits a wrongful act injurious to others, A desire to harm others or to see others suffer; extreme ill will or spite.
I guess everything with the NWO, Wolfpack, all of that doesn't count to Uncle Sam does it. After all, it's not like Hall and Nash were there to(in storyline) take over the WCW and do all of it out of pure evil, meanness and spite because they felt just could, wow I'm glad I wasn't mistaken Sam. Thanks for setting me straight. What a reject. How did you get this job anyways??? What a joke. You completely ignored an entire era of wrestling. You're starting to look less and less credible by the second, quick, go to damage control, hurry, get a fire extinguisher before you burn completely up and there is nothing left, salvage what you can, you just got smoked!!!