So you admit you were wrong then.
I admit I overstated his incompetence. I still don't like him.
...Yeah, because it's not like crime has been horrendous in New Orleans. It's not like they had a hurricane that wiped out their city or anything.
But, crime is terrible in Houston, DC is a dangerous place, and what is the federal government doing about it? Nothing. Rudy Giulliani cut the crime rate in New York City in half and cleaned up the city, and he did so without government aid. If Obama would leave the local politics to local governments, we would all be better off. This is my problem with Democratic politics. They micromanage, and there is no need for that when there are overarching domesitc and foreign policy concerns. No matter is we blame the Republican administration or the Democratic congress, there is a mess to clean up. New Orleans crime policy is like cleaning the fridge when the house is on fire.
Your point? Obama is helping to rebuild schools. That's a good thing. You were wrong.
All I'm saying is that not stopping what the previous administration started isn't exactly a proactive response to a problem.
Wow. Apparently you know absolutely nothing about Americorps, as it's one of the best programs available to youth today.
Enlighten me.
You should. Fighting corruption is definitely a good thing.
Explain to me how this does? If someone is corrupt, they will accept the gift discreetly and still influence the change they were paid for. A new coat of paint doesn't fix holes in the wall.
So, let me get this straight, employer discrimination is something we should uphold now? Yeah. That makes sense. Yay for discrimination!
This is a weak argument. The Consitution expressly forbids the executive branch from meddling in high court proceedings. In fact, there is no avenue for him to do so. I don't know what he has done to overturn the decision, but he can't do it without wiping his ass with the Consitution. And furthermore, shouldn't we be a bit concerned with a President who's grasp of middle school social studies is so lacking that he thinks he alone can overturn Supreme Court rulings?
Sure. Does Obama get credit from you?
Granted.
I fail to see how investing in more efficient public transportation is a bad thing.
Because it's another mismanaged government industry. Throwing more money at it doesn't fix the fundamental inefficiencies, and, in fact, it encourages more. The cities need more buses and hires more dispatchers.
Public transportation as opposed to everyone owning their own car is CLEARLY the better choice. Less cars on the road, less pollution, less gas being sucked up. There's really no way you can spin this as a bad thing.
But I tried.
So you again admit you were wrong?
Exaggerated.
Except most of the money went to health centers. Not ACORN. Damn that Commie Obama, helping improve community health centers...what' a dick.
Yeah, dick is a good word for him.
Fine, any endorsement of the UN is an endorsement of the world of corruption they have reaped. From oil for food to their failure to stop genocide, the UN is the most impotent body since the inception of Viagra, and I see no need to participate in it, much less endorse their weak and wildly inefficient charters. We don't sign UN charters because they are worth about as much as toilet paper. The rights and protections in the US far exceed that which is called for in those charters. So, Mr. President, thank you for signing that charter and telling the world that the example we set in taking care of the disabled is too much, and that we fell you should just follow what the UN says. Whoo fucking hoo.
Are we at war with Jewish extremists? No we sure as fuck are not. But we are at war with Islamic extremists. Stop with the bullshit excuses.
So, whya re we apologizing to Muslims? Yes, they had a little rough treatment after 9/11, but frankly, as a community, they could have done more to help. If a bunch of Jews were terrorizing the nation, and I knew who they were and how to find them, I would come forward. Why hasn't the Muslim community? If you want to repair the public perception of your people, then you should be the ones turning over extremists left and right. They should be bending over backwards to help us.
It is shameful the way the people were treated, but at the time, everyone was fueled by paranoia and fear. It's not like we put them in internment camps or tore them from their homes. Their communities and mosques were under surveillance, because, GASP!, that's were the attacks were planned and financed.
Who gives a shit about his intentions? The fact is that he's started to lift some of the restrictions on Cuba, something we should have done years and years ago.
I'm not sure Kennedy ever should have embargoed them in the first place. But, beyond that, why limit the exchange of money and visitation, and not just life the embargo and travel restrictions? It seems to me like he's trying to pander and not piss anyone off. I think Cuba is the most real example of all or nothing we have to deal with. If we lift the embargo, the people of Cuba would no longer be poor. Tourism to the beautiful island paradise would enrich the entire island within a decade. So, yes, I do like that he is trying to open up the nation, but why not open it up completely? We aren't at war with the Communists anymore.
I will lose a lot of respect for you if you continue with THAT hunk of bullshit.
You do know what a Certificate of Live Birth is, right?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.sh...categorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg
Yeah, I never saw that. You win this one.
Are you REALLY arguing that fighting corruption is a bad thing? Really?
Nope, I just wish he was.
Quite a bit more than four.
But nothing landmark. Should we examine the bad? How about the refusal of the federal government to pay car dealers their $4500 per car for cash for clunkers? Dealers need to replenish their lots, but can't because the feds are holding out. Sending that money would fill up lots, and increase orders, which would open up employment in Detroit. Instead they sit on their asses, leaving UAW workers unemployed (which, by the way makes them dependent upon the government, and more likely to vote for the party that GIVES them more next year) instead of putting them to work, which still remains a promise unfulfilled.
Lol, I'M the one with the superior tone? You're the one sitting here refusing to acknowledge anything Obama has done, being so blatantly partisan and biased it's actually laughable. Obama has done some good things in office. You've ADMITTED this. No one is calling him our fucking savior, but to pretend he's done nothing is simply bullshit.
I didn't say he's done nothing. He's done plenty of harm.
And I'm so blatantly partisan right now because this thread is nothing but an attack on Republicans. If this was the government is shit thread, I would be the first to praise Bill Clinton, the ultimate libertarian, but this thread calls for me to do some Obama bashing, because frankly, he sucks.
Man, old Metalica is the shit. Going on an 80's and 90's power rock kick for a little while.
I'm sorry, I have no plans to get in this squabble, but FTS this is just beyond absurd, if you really mean what you are implying here.
I'm an economic analyst. The economy's growth was slowing, but was still growing when the Dems took control of congress. It was manageable depreciation until suddenly the bottom dropped out.
As for the debate, I think most of you have it wrong. This isn't a Republicans vs. Democrats thing, it's a Raw vs. Smackdown thing. You see, the two parties pretend to fight it out and squabble, but at the end of the day, they do so only to line their pockets with money.
The only real losers are the American public who have basically have their freedom to vote completely undermined.[/QUOTE]
The American people allowed themselves to be captivated by a young charismatic leader promising change, and got this guy. I am for a UK parliamentary system right now more than ever before.
There are no candidates with all the answers. There are no politicians who could really change America in the Presidency anymore. If someone says Ron Paul is that guy, my head is going to explode.
As usual Sly comes along and imparts a nugget of wisdom upon us.
As I said before...
Fuck Republicans and Fuck Democrats.
But, we can't just say fuck the parties. Debates like this, hopefully, will spark the changes in the parties that we need to make a real difference in 2010 and 2012. I think we can all agree that something needs to be done to eliminate the bickering between the parties. We need a uniter, but all that wins elections is divisiveness.
We need someone who espouses the true economic views of the Republican party, the real Republicans, and the social values of a moderately left society, focused on forgiveness and progressive social values. A true libertarian, but unfortunately Reagan is dead and Clinton can't have his babies.
How soon we forget.
