And yet, you're the one who said Hart's great matches with Bulldog, Owen and HBK were due to the production crew.
The WrestleZone Tournament Has Begun
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Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
I said I wasn't going to look at the drawings, but I couldn't help myself. LMAO at Great Khali being the #26 draw; he's just going to steamroll everyone until he gets to Hogan, and you might as well just give the Denver sub region to Goldberg... Ric Flair doesn't even have a chance.
It's been forever since I read the book, so I didn't remember that. I do remember Hart sticking up for Savage because Flair apparently had said something similar about Savage at some point.
Just out of curiosity, was it the same instance Bret talked about in his column?
Bret said:
And that's all I've been trying to get across.
Tiger Chaos Theory
You ain't drawin' shit!
Red rep is coming for me, I can feel it.
I'm pretty sure it is, since reading the setting of Boston rings a bell.
And yeah, he makes similar claims about Savage, but he uses it as an excuse why one of their matches was horrible (Vince had them restart it), and also as a way to describe how his matches with Steamboat were better than Savage's match with Steamboat at Wrestlemania 3.
But yeah... Flair's main criticism against Hart that I remember from the book takes place in Boston, and it was because Bret wouldn't let Flair interrupt Bret's comeback.
Joe's Gonna Kill You
The Hunt is On
Why is that?
Flair is one of the most celebrated wrestlers of all time. I don't know much about the history of wrestling, but I understand why so many wrestlers hold him in such high regard, but everything I've heard makes him sound like a miserable human being. He's jealous, petty, and if he's not getting things 100% his way he will say anything to damage his adversary's (or perceived adversary) image. I take everything Ric Flair says with a healthy dose of sodium.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Spammy turd. I would have red repped you, but I like you. I think I do anyway.
Big Nick Dudley
Nick
Flair, the humble guy he is, talks trash about everyone.
FunKay the Inevitable
People Like Me, We Don't Play
Kobashi vs. Bret is highly entertaining. Shelton still holding a lead over Jeff Hardy is even more entertaining. Today begins the dawning of a new era though as the wrestling God makes his introduction.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
16 more matches tomorrow.
FunKay the Inevitable
People Like Me, We Don't Play
From the latest post in the Hardy/Benjamin epic.
Except y'know Eddie went clean whereas Jeff has proven on a number of occasions that he simply doesn't give a shit.
Except y'know Eddie went clean whereas Jeff has proven on a number of occasions that he simply doesn't give a shit.
Well, if that's the case, then Bret Hart would have been right to do what he did, since he was the champion. And from the way Hart tells it (obviously from his point of view, so take it as you will) he had already given in on several occasions to Flair. So I would say then Flair's criticisms really don't hold up.
In that column of Bret's that I posted, he also mentioned the match Savage and Flair had to redo. But in Bret's version, it was because Flair wasn't doing what McMahon wanted, not because of anything to do with Savage.
Pretty good thank you, just on my week off from work, but keeping busy. Otherwise life is good.
Hulk Hogan's Brother
Stop asking me what I'm gonna do!!!
Pretty sad that Hardy gets hated so much for his drug issues. I'm not saying that he should not be hated but he should win easily against Benjamin.
When I posted my thoughts on the thread the difference between the two was ridiculous. But now I am glad to see that it's much closer than it was.
When I posted my thoughts on the thread the difference between the two was ridiculous. But now I am glad to see that it's much closer than it was.
Especially since the wrestling industry has been heavy with drug use for decades. I don't condone someone using drugs, but to vote against a WRESTLER because of drug use is just silly. Back in the 80s, it seems it was harder to find someone who WASN'T on some kind of drug, than to find one who was.
Hulk Hogan's Brother
Stop asking me what I'm gonna do!!!
Yeah that's true. In that case no one from the 80's should advance as well. There are all those bizzare stories of wrestlers taking animal steroids and what not to buff their body up.
Hardy is a main eventer while Benjamin is not. That should be the sole voting criterion.
Tiger Chaos Theory
You ain't drawin' shit!
Jeff Hardy/Benjamin is so silly, it's making people look like whiny, pathetic, high-horse riding idiots.
Smooth Sexual Chocolate
Grapefruits of Wrath
Hardy was down 12 when I dozed off last night, and now he's all tied up. I'm still prepared to redecorate a few assholes if need be.
Can't think of any other than Bob Backlund. He was ribbed alot for not doing drugs and often made these guys look like shit in the ring.
Comparing Jeff's drug issues to Eddie's drug issues is like comparing apples to much older apples. When Eddie abusing drugs the abuse of controlled substances in professional wrestling hadn't made it's way into the mainstream media. When Eddie was doing coke the news corporations couldn't give less of a shit. Now if a professional athlete of any sort gets wrapped up in some sort of drug scandal Fox News shits their pants (lot of shit references, huh?) over the fact they get to smear a drug user.
Furthermore, Eddie's drug abuse flew under the fans' radar because they didn't have internet dirt sheets to let them know that Eddie was blowing lines before every match and downing pain pills afterward.
Jeff suffers from wrestling in a different time, a time where the company actually cares if their wrestlers destroyed their bodies with drugs, and therefore he gets much more attention for it. I'm with Alex-A on this one, and I love Eddie Guerrero.
I couldn't give a fuck less about Hardy's drug issues. I voted for Benjamin because Jeff Hardy has always been extremely overrated and Shelton always gets shit on for the EXACT same thing Hardy sucks at. Shelton is better in the ring then Hardy overall and they are equally average to below average on the mic.
Jeff Hardy is special in one company and one company only. His ring work has deteriorated dramatically outside of the WWE. Jeff Hardy needs Vince McMahon and the culture of the WWE to thrive most nights. Conversely, while Shelton Benjamin might not have reached the heights that Hardy has in the WWE, he is going to continue to be a damn fine hand in the ring no matter where he goes. If this tournament is about more than the WWE and success in the big leagues, if anybody gives a damn about the quality of the talent in these matches, that should say something. No, Benjamin won't beat other top WWE stars like Austin or Hogan or Cena. But the suggestion that Benjamin isn't a better talent than Hardy strikes me as untrue.
Whilst arguing over the NWA International Heavyweight Championship.
What.
