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I would like you to all go read Andre vs Brock Lesnar. I tried guys! But in the end I was mauled, by none other than Sly. Also read the quote in his sig, thats exactly why I try not to debate with him..... I'm depressed now.
 
Keep trying. Sly left some holes in his argument that you could go after.

Then again, he can counter those arguments. Debating sly is like a game of chess, you have to think about five post ahead.
 
You're right.

I forgot that this was an online wrestling community and guys like Kurt Angle and Bret Hart are wrestling GODS.
 
He is. My hate is a reaction to people's exaggerated enjoyment of him.

I hate Undertaker based on his merits as a performer.
 
I Am Phenom said:
At what? In ring performances?

I'll admit he's good, but he isn't amazing. Hell, he never drew a dime and was at best a transitional champion. He was never THE GUY in the WWE. To that point, Dean Malenko was amazing too.

I don't really watch TNA so I can't really comment on that.
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He never drew a dime? The FUCK are you on dude? Kurt Angle was one of the WWE's top performers for years. And you're faulting Kurt for never being THE GUY in the WWE? How about The Undertaker, who despite being in the company since 1990 has never... EVER been THE GUY in the company.
 
Friendly Neighborhood JGlass said:
He never drew a dime? The FUCK are you on dude? Kurt Angle was one of the WWE's top performers for years. And you're faulting Kurt for never being THE GUY in the WWE? How about The Undertaker, who despite being in the company since 1990 has never... EVER been THE GUY in the company.
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He didn't draw.

When Kurt was in the main event, he spent those years riding off the coattails of Austin, The Rock, HHH, and Brock Lesnar. His championship reigns after they were gone were transitional at best.

I'll agree that 'Taker has never been THE GUY, however, he has been a main stay for over 20 years. So to say that he doesn't draw or hasn't been a draw would be ridiculous.
 
I Am Phenom said:
He didn't draw.

When Kurt was in the main event, he spent those years riding off the coat tales of Austin, The Rock, HHH, and Brock Lesnar. His championship reigns after they were gone were transitional at best.
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Jesus... everyone between Stone Cold and John Cena, with the exception of maybe Triple H, is a transitional champion. And to say he was riding the coattails of the other guys is equally ridiculous. He was very much his own character and was definitely over with the crowds. He was able to make the crowd love or hate him easily, and is easily one of the most talented professional wrestlers to make his way through the WWE in the 21st century.

I'll agree that 'Taker has never been THE GUY, however, he has been a main stay for over 20 years. So to say that he doesn't draw or hasn't been a draw would ridiculous.
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Did I say he never drew? No. I will however go on to say that Taker is not half the performer Kurt Angle is.
 
You'll never catch me saying that Kurt Angle isn't a hell of an in ring performer. Hell, I loved watching him, but in places like these he get's more credit than he deserves.

It's been made clear with people like HBK that putting on great match after great match isn't enough. It's all about the drawing power.

If we went by in ring performances alone, IMO, it would be HBK, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, then, Kurt Angle. That's just me though.
 
What the fuck did Undertaker ever draw that Angle didn't? You honestly telling me Taker didn't ride the coattails of the guys on top and that his effectiveness as a draw isn't a product of the ability of the real top guys to draw?

Puh-lease.
 
Friendly Neighborhood JGlass said:
Taker had no more drawing power than Angle.
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Maybe not at the time, but Taker had been a main stay in the WWE for about 9 years before Kurt showed up. Also, Taker remains a main stay for the WWE.

So he is and was more of a draw then Kurt Angle.

We use this logic when discussing who was a bigger draw between Austin and Hogan. Austin came in and shattered many a financial record that Hogan had set, however, Hogan was the top draw in wrestling for a longer period of time than Austin was at the top. So we say that Hogan was a bigger draw.
 
What? That makes no sense. Just because he's had a longer tenure in the WWE makes him more of a draw? No, like Coco said, Taker never drew shit that Angle didn't.

Furthermore, how is drawing power along going to help Taker win this match? That's about all Taker has on Angle, as Angle has beaten him time and time again.
 
Friendly Neighborhood JGlass said:
What? That makes no sense. Just because he's had a longer tenure in the WWE makes him more of a draw? No, like Coco said, Taker never drew shit that Angle didn't.
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No. A longer tenure alone doesn't make him a draw. Constantly being the #2 or #3 guy in the company for about 20 years makes him a draw.

Friendly Neighborhood JGlass said:
Furthermore, how is drawing power along going to help Taker win this match? That's about all Taker has on Angle, as Angle has beaten him time and time again.
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I never said that it was going to help him win the match. I just wanted to discuss why Angle is so overrated around here.
 
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