The WrestleZone Tournament Has Begun

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

Has anyone considered this possibility? This is how Eddie was generally booked in his prime.

Actually Eddie Guerrero is one of the few guys that I can see defeating Yoko by not even knocking him down. I can very well see them having a match in which the ref would get bumped, Eddie would make use of that to get a chair, hit Yoko with some stiff chair shots to get him reeling and as the ref is starting to get up, Eddie throws the chair in Yoko's direction and plays dead. The referree will then disqualify Yoko and Eddie will win this by lying, cheating and stealing. Yoko's USP was that he could not be knocked down very easily but as Eddie shows there is a way to get past the big guy even without knocking him down.

 

[Coco]

Sold!

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Just to spite Big Sexy, I'm voting for Eddie.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

The first student-teacher sparring session? Challenge accepted.

My name is Indigo Montoya...

Let's not pretend Yokozuna main evented Wrestlemania because he deserved it.

THIS is now you start off? For Christ's sake, Anikin, if there were a better heel option at that time Vince would have gone with it. I only recall ONE time that a Wrestlemania Main Event featured a competitor who did not deserve to be there, and that was Lawrence Taylor.

And I hate to challenge your clear litany of wrestling knowledge, but if Yokozuna didn't deserve to main event Wrestlemania 9 against Bret Hart, why, then, did they have him subsequently main event Wrestlemania 10 against Bret Hart!? It's not often that two men square off against each other in highly publicized Wrestlemania matches in back to back years. Hogan / Andre, Michaels / Undertaker, Hart / Yokozuna.

He mainevent Wrestlemania because he was a fat foreigner that people hated, not through superior heel work and fantastic wrestling.

People hated him BECAUSE of great heel work. If he was "just a fat foreigner," then nobody would have cared. He was a dominant superheavyweight. That's why he main evented consecutive Wrestlemanias, that's why WWF built the bodyslam challenge on the Intrepid around him, that's why he didn't drop the title to established stars prior to losing to Hart at Wrestlemania 10. Earthquake was fat, hated, and foreign (billed from Canada). He didn't main event Wrestlemania. Yokozuna was believable, dominant, and despised. THAT is what he was supposed to be, and THAT makes him a great pro wrestler. Sure, you won't see him do what Bryan Danielson does, but that wouldn't fit Yoko's character anyway.

Bret is nearly irrelevant in this situation, as the argument is questioning Yoko's endurance, not his skill or the skill of his opponent.

It damn sure is relevant, you just don't want it to be relevant because it pokes a hole in your theory. Bret had a two-hour rest, and Yokozuna had less than half that. Bret was recovering from a technical wrestling match whereas Yokozuna was recovering from a hard-hitting affair with Lex Luger. And yet, somehow, Yokozuna hung with Bret Hart in the main event just fine. Just because he's a big guy doesn't mean he lacks endurance, yet for some reason, you seem to instantly equate the two.

Let me break it down this way - a 300-lb linebacker in pro football may not be able to run routes like a Wide Receiver, but for what they do - stay in close and hit hard - they go all game because they are professional athletes. Do you think all Linebackers are just slobs?

There's no shame in losing to Bret Hart, but losing to Bret Hart by falling off of the second rope onto your fat ass doesn't exactly speak to Bret Hart's wrestling prowess as much as it does Yokozuna's fat ass.

This comment speaks more to your ignorance of the match, honestly. If anything, it speaks more to Bret Hart's luck than his skill or Yoko's perceived lack thereof. And of course, we have to take into account that Bret is significantly better that Eddie ever was.

Hey now, old timer, no need to bring age to the equation. Yokozuna was FINE for that match until he went up on that top rope.

Second rope, but glad to know you've seen the match. I love debating people who pay attention.

He clearly lost his footing because he was exhausted, not because he was concussed.

Yeah, I was tired once at work and I fell of my chair. Oh, wait, no I didn't. Come on man, Yoko had Hart dead to rights and fell backwards and hit his head, which had already been dealt a blow from Luger's elbow. Bret capitalized as any smart wrestler would do. Are you telling me that you're going to back Eddie just on the SHEER CHANCE that might happen again?

I never said Yoko was going to have to chase after Eddie, I said Eddie was going to outlast the fat man, and that doesn't necessarily entail running circles around Yoko and making him chase Eddie.

You haven't really painted a clear picture of how you think this is going to happen.

Most of Yoko's offense comes from charging his opponent like a slightly stupider version of a hippopotamus.

Again, dead wrong. Have you ever even seen a Yokozuna match? He used ONE charge move, and that was the back avalance to the turnbuckle. His other signature moves included a rear thrust kick, a sick belly to belly suplex, a samoan drop, a leg drop, and the banzai drop. Do some research and then come back.

If Eddie can get out of the way, and he can with ease, Yoko will tire himself out..

And if Eddie can't, the way Hart, Luger, and Hogan couldn't, then Eddie will be laying on the mat prone to the next crushing blow. Basically, what you're saying, is that for Eddie to win he has to completely avoid ALL of Yoko's offense. NOT GONNA HAPPEN, kayfabe or otherwise.

Furthermore, Eddie is smart,

Not sure what you're base for this statement is, but ok, I counter with the fact that Yokozuna was managed by TWO of pro wrestling history's greatest managers in Fuji and Cornette.

he'll work Yoko's legs with kicks and chop blocks, and the weaker Yoko's legs are, the harder it's going to be to carry his weight around the ring, and the more useless his more powerful moves will be.

And to do that, he has to get within striking distance as many have done before. And failed.

The three amigos was more of a gimmick than a move. It's not like he hit it in every match, it's not like he needed it to set up the Frog Splash.

And yet he used it CONSTANTLY. The correct reponse is "you're right, IC, Yoko's size does neutralize that one of Eddie's signature moves." Instead you're going to argue that it wasn't THAT important of a move to begin with. Nice try.

And have you ever watched wrestling before?

Pot. Kettle.

Watch just about any non-squash match between a big fat guy and a small guy. Regardless of who wins, the smaller man ALWAYS finds a way to knock the big man off his feet. Any match worth watching with Mark Henry, Umaga, and even Yokozuna sees the small guy knock the big guy to the ground one way or another. Eddie vs. Yokozuna would DEFINITELY see Yoko hit the ground, and Eddie will capitalize on it.

You make it sound like Yoko's never been knocked down before. Luger and Ahmed Johnson have slammed him, and he recovered. Hulk Hogan delivered the leg drop and Yoko recovered. You make it sound like a 505-550 lb Yokozuna cannot get up after he's been knocked down! He gets up just fine! He's a big dude, not a quadrapalegic!

And Yoko roll out of the way of the frog splash? After a 15+ minute match with Eddie, he'd be lucky if he can keep his eyes open to see Eddie splash him.

That's assuming Capt. Vicodin remembers where he is.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Since Batista will be facing Undertaker in Round 3, what do you will be the gimmick matches in which Undertaker will have an advantage so I can argue against them? I need to be prepared.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

People will say Hell in a Cell despite the record stating Batista's winning streak in those matches.

 

[Coco]

And Batista, you know, winning his HIAC match against Taker.

Steamboat over Rhodes? What the fuck is wrong with you people?

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

But Edge interfered in that Hell in a Cell match?

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

Has anyone other than Batista beaten both Triple H & Undertaker inside the Cell?

 

[Coco]

But Edge interfered in that Hell in a Cell match?

He won. Undertaker didn't.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Has anyone other than Batista beaten both Triple H & Undertaker inside the Cell?

Nope.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

Well there you go. That would be enough to get me to vote for Batista over Taker inside the Cell.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Batista vs. Taker in a Ladder Match?

I shudder to think.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

People would amke the argument that Taker's been in more (One agaisnt Hardy, one TLC match agaisnt Edge) and thus would win...I'm not sure who I'd vote for there.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Fuck that shit. I want a Last Man Standing match. Batista certainly has an advantage there.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

That's assuming Capt. Vicodin remembers where he is.

Poor way to end a great post IC

 

[IrishCanadian25]

Poor way to end a great post IC

I know, I felt really bad about that one afterwards. Especially after my OpEd the other day. But if people wanna give crap to Yokozuna for his weight, I figured all's fair.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

People would amke the argument that Taker's been in more (One agaisnt Hardy, one TLC match agaisnt Edge) and thus would win...I'm not sure who I'd vote for there.

Taker is notoriously average / overmatched in gimmick matches. Regardless of the outside interference involved, he lost his first major Hell in a Cell and Casket matches, both considered specialties.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

I know, I felt really bad about that one afterwards. Especially after my OpEd the other day. But if people wanna give crap to Yokozuna for his weight, I figured all's fair.

I blame the tournament. It brings out the worst in a lot of people.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

The last several posts are making me lean towards Batista over Undertaker. Wow, I cannot believe I just typed that.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

Taker is notoriously average / overmatched in gimmick matches. Regardless of the outside interference involved, he lost his first major Hell in a Cell and Casket matches, both considered specialties.

He's never won Buried Alive either. Also a match that's supposed to be in his favour.

 

[Shocky]

It's ok to call Yoko a fat ass (which he was) but not ok to call Guerrero a drug addict (which he was)?

So for those keeping it kayfabe, has Hulk Hogan ever beat Roddy Piper straight up pinfall or submission? Don't bother with Mr. America.

 

[Shocky]

He's never won Buried Alive either. Also a match that's supposed to be in his favour.

He beat the executioner.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

I blame the tournament. It brings out the worst in a lot of people.

I think there's some merit to that thought.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Undertaker won the first Buried Alive match, then got buried afterwards.