new NwO needs new fresh story line..and the manager stuff is cr4p. Don't feed me the new company line of everyone looking to be a player needs to strap up the boots if the new guys come in an get face and promo time without wrasling. I wanna see Hall and Waltman get whooped a little, then they can leave and we can see a storyline of how new TNA talent ousted old has beens. That would elavate TNA in my eyes as a company throwing out the past and moving into the future (something WWE has certainly not done with DX, and now Bret-Vince, although the latter is somewhat different)
The nWo ("the Band") Discussion Thread
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the 3 stooges hall, nash & waltman are going to be forming the band this Thursday . i expect the other stooge bishoff will soon jump on the band wagon , and they will screw up tna like the did with the wcw.
Man, some of you guys need to get a grip. After only ONE iMPACT and after only the FIRST appearance of Hogan in the business, you guys are already calling it a nail in the coffin. Relax, you don't know what the direction this is going to go in. Obviously they are doing some kind of an nWo angle but that doesn't mean it's going to string along EXACTLY LIKE it was then. They can still do fresh new things with it and we all know that they know it was the nWo storyline that ran WCW into the ground, so relax and let it takes its coarse before labeling it a bust.
TNA is by far the better product as far as wrestling. I've watched RAW and it was laughable and unwatchable to me. If TNA does it right, they will be in good shape.
TNA is by far the better product as far as wrestling. I've watched RAW and it was laughable and unwatchable to me. If TNA does it right, they will be in good shape.
If the nWo were to get back together i'd really like to see who else from TNA they'd try to get to join because I don't think it would work with just those 4. Also i'd like to see if they would align themselves with the world elite or go up against them because they wouldn't really have anyone to go up against and with hogan in a position of power the whole party gimmick wouldn't work
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I'm sure there more to this than what we've seen. I cannot for the life of me imagine that TNA would actually think that handing the show over and focusing on a reformed "nwo" would be a good idea.
I'm betting that it's going to go somewhere along the lines of Hall/Nash/Waltman try to push people around and act like big shots and can't match up with the young guys. I don't mean that they'll do this old nwo or even MEM style, more along the lines of someones pushy friends backstage who end up in matches. I also can't see Hogan playing the "hell GM" role. It's got to be something along those lines. I just can't see them trying a "nwo" reunited main event push.
I'm betting that it's going to go somewhere along the lines of Hall/Nash/Waltman try to push people around and act like big shots and can't match up with the young guys. I don't mean that they'll do this old nwo or even MEM style, more along the lines of someones pushy friends backstage who end up in matches. I also can't see Hogan playing the "hell GM" role. It's got to be something along those lines. I just can't see them trying a "nwo" reunited main event push.
Even though I don't want to see an another nWo type faction I think TNA didn't have any idea about what to do with Hogan. If Hogan turned back as Hulkamania which we have seen for 20 years we would get tired of him very easily. He is not in good shape so we can't expect too much for him in the ring maybe he can be in some short matches at pay per views like Bound For Glory. If he turned as the new babyface authority figure of TNA what would we see different from Hogan that we haven't seen from Jarett,Foley,Cornette etc.
So actually even TNA had no idea what to do about Hogan. So they decided to go with this angle which seems to be the most interesting one right now. That's what I've been thinking since hearing Hogan coming back to TNA. Okay let's assume that he is still a huge draw how can he draw new fans to TNA ? He has health risks so he can't wrestle, we've seen all types of Hogan, we've heard all types of Hogan promos so there is nothing new you can see from Hogan.
Signing Hogan may seem like a smart idea in short term but in long terms Hogan can offer nothing new or exciting to TNA. nWo angle is right now the only thing that can be somehow interesting if it's booked right. So we can't blame TNA much for this you can't do better with Hogan right now.
So actually even TNA had no idea what to do about Hogan. So they decided to go with this angle which seems to be the most interesting one right now. That's what I've been thinking since hearing Hogan coming back to TNA. Okay let's assume that he is still a huge draw how can he draw new fans to TNA ? He has health risks so he can't wrestle, we've seen all types of Hogan, we've heard all types of Hogan promos so there is nothing new you can see from Hogan.
Signing Hogan may seem like a smart idea in short term but in long terms Hogan can offer nothing new or exciting to TNA. nWo angle is right now the only thing that can be somehow interesting if it's booked right. So we can't blame TNA much for this you can't do better with Hogan right now.
And something like DX in the WWE isn't old and something that can't draw anymore? Russo said it best, it's wrestling, and you can do only SO MUCH with it as a product. You have a good side, you have a bad side and you must meet somewhere in between for entertainment value, PERIOD.
There isn't a single thing, story wise, in the WWE that TNA can NOT do. That's why they have people on the creative side, come up with something that hasn't done before. Hogan said they were struggling with that factor back in '96 when they were thinking of a way to turn wrestling inside out and do something that hasn't been done before. Then, the nWo angle came into play, and to turn Hogan heel. So this dates as far back as before the nWo. Come up with something that hasn't done before. Can we see another nWo angle to revolutionize wrestling again? Maybe.
But it ISN'T the nWo because Vince owns the rights, but its the same concept, just like WWE uses the same concept to keep Degeneration X in form and still kicking. They can still use the story, but keeping it a fresh thing and doing things different is key.
There isn't a single thing, story wise, in the WWE that TNA can NOT do. That's why they have people on the creative side, come up with something that hasn't done before. Hogan said they were struggling with that factor back in '96 when they were thinking of a way to turn wrestling inside out and do something that hasn't been done before. Then, the nWo angle came into play, and to turn Hogan heel. So this dates as far back as before the nWo. Come up with something that hasn't done before. Can we see another nWo angle to revolutionize wrestling again? Maybe.
But it ISN'T the nWo because Vince owns the rights, but its the same concept, just like WWE uses the same concept to keep Degeneration X in form and still kicking. They can still use the story, but keeping it a fresh thing and doing things different is key.
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In order for TNA to capture what WCW did back in 1996 they would need someone like John Cena or Batista to jump over from WWE to TNA and "fire the first shot" that way a new wrestling war could begin.
I personally believe that TNA is hoping that Stone Cold or The Rock try to do something with them (I know the there's better odds of getting struck by lightning) but that would certainly be the "Hulk Hogan" of the equation, and some new guys from WWE would be the Kevin Nash/Scott Hall of the equation.
I personally believe that TNA is hoping that Stone Cold or The Rock try to do something with them (I know the there's better odds of getting struck by lightning) but that would certainly be the "Hulk Hogan" of the equation, and some new guys from WWE would be the Kevin Nash/Scott Hall of the equation.
I have no problem with the nWo angle as long as it doesn't end with them burying young guys left and right like DX in WWE. Everyone says they put over Legacy but are those guys in any better spot since feuding with DX? NO! If anything they're in a worse spot.
Waltman has a ton of potential and is still relatively young, he's 37 making him the youngest of the Clique (also younger than Daniels), and is also probably the second best worker of the group (next to Shawn Michaels).
If you don't believe me then watch this match between AJ and Waltman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba-i9v7Ia6U
As long as Nash and Hall are helping elevate talent then I have no problem with them working. I would love to see Waltman win the X Division title and help elevate that belt once again. If Waltman can get his personal demons in order he could be the biggest addition to the roster brought in by Hogan.
Waltman has a ton of potential and is still relatively young, he's 37 making him the youngest of the Clique (also younger than Daniels), and is also probably the second best worker of the group (next to Shawn Michaels).
If you don't believe me then watch this match between AJ and Waltman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba-i9v7Ia6U
As long as Nash and Hall are helping elevate talent then I have no problem with them working. I would love to see Waltman win the X Division title and help elevate that belt once again. If Waltman can get his personal demons in order he could be the biggest addition to the roster brought in by Hogan.
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I have to admit that bringing in this two to T.N.A really had me second guessing on what the hell are they doing.
But I can see the Hall does look better then his last show in at T.N.A.
Waltman seems to be in the dog house for showing up late on the 4th. But Im going to give them credit on how they handled these two. Im not talking about what they are doing on T.V but rather by Hall and Waltman's Contract negotiations.
Now I did do a post on how it was a bad thing to bring hall in, but how they handled the situation with his contract is what got me to change my mind.
The smartest thing they did is going on a day by day short term deal for Scott Hall and not giving him a long term deal. If Scott can show that he is really going to do something for T.N.A and show's that the staff that they can trust him to show up and not drink heavily anymore then I think this can be a great thing for T.N.A.
Along with Waltman has the same deal also.
So the smartest thing T.N.A has done is giving these guys short term deals. It's almost like a try out all over again.
By doing this, they can see if things will work out in the long run or if they want to drop them. With a short tearm deal , I feel like T.N.A has more control over them.
If Hall or Waltman want to stay in T.N.A and get those high paycheck as Hall is saying. They are really going to have to prove them selves
As was mentioned in a different thread about story lines not ending right.
If these two don't work out then when its to the end of there short term deal they can weed them out correctly and not just drop them.
So with that..what do you guys think? Did T.N.A do a good job on how they brought back Scott Hall and Waltman. Or do you think it was a bad idea to bring them in all together?
But I can see the Hall does look better then his last show in at T.N.A.
Waltman seems to be in the dog house for showing up late on the 4th. But Im going to give them credit on how they handled these two. Im not talking about what they are doing on T.V but rather by Hall and Waltman's Contract negotiations.
Now I did do a post on how it was a bad thing to bring hall in, but how they handled the situation with his contract is what got me to change my mind.
The smartest thing they did is going on a day by day short term deal for Scott Hall and not giving him a long term deal. If Scott can show that he is really going to do something for T.N.A and show's that the staff that they can trust him to show up and not drink heavily anymore then I think this can be a great thing for T.N.A.
Along with Waltman has the same deal also.
So the smartest thing T.N.A has done is giving these guys short term deals. It's almost like a try out all over again.
By doing this, they can see if things will work out in the long run or if they want to drop them. With a short tearm deal , I feel like T.N.A has more control over them.
If Hall or Waltman want to stay in T.N.A and get those high paycheck as Hall is saying. They are really going to have to prove them selves
As was mentioned in a different thread about story lines not ending right.
If these two don't work out then when its to the end of there short term deal they can weed them out correctly and not just drop them.
So with that..what do you guys think? Did T.N.A do a good job on how they brought back Scott Hall and Waltman. Or do you think it was a bad idea to bring them in all together?
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I think it was a great idea. Getting them on Tv and how they handled their contracts. TNA is still filled with a bunch of no name guys to alot of new TNA fans. I knwo we old TNA fans like the young guys but lets face it I know people who are ordering Genisis just to see what Bishoff and Hogan do and also see the outsiders back in the ring. Wrestling biggest time was full of story tellers which is what Nash,Hall,Hogan and all those old guys bring. Aj, Daniel, Matt Morgan, all they have is in ring talent. When wrestling is a entertainment business they need to learn how to entertain. I hate to see Daniels or Aj even pick up a mic I just hit the mute button.
I haven't order a tna ppv since the bound for glory and I might just order this becuz of the outsiders, syxx pac, hogan , and eric bischoff these guys always seem to suprise us with especially bischoff I hope they will fired Russo cause he can't keep storylines going worth shit to build a proper ppv card that's why TNA hired Eazy E cuz if anyone can get on vince nerves it's him
Agree the contracts have been handled great and going further, putting old talent the debuted the 4th (Val Venis, Outsiders) up against TNA guys (Daniels, Beer Money) is the way to do things. I would love to see the Outsiders lose to Beer Money to further push BM as one of the best teams in all of Pro Wrestling, and it could create a nice little storyline for Hall/Nash/Pac that they must climb their way back (or use Nash's title shots to just jump over everyone)
If Hall and Waltman sign, I don't understand how Bischoff and Co. can say it isn't WCW part 2. Hall doesn't belong anywhere near a ring these days and Waltman AT BEST is a mid-carder. If he wants to run with the big dogs he can't pee like a puppy!! Forget the good ol boys.. they should be working in guys like AJ Styles. After admittedly switching between RAW and TNA on the 4th.. I don't think TNA is going to draw my attention. I saw all that shit in the WCW days. Hogan saying in IGN that he expected more excitement in Bret's return is ridiculous. It is Bret friggin Hitman Hart!!! Ablility wise alone Hogan couldn't lace up Bret's boots on his best day. Plans were in the works to bring Bret back long before TNA was going live. Hogan would believe otherwise, but whatever spin he needs to put on it he will.
So to make a long story short, Vince and the WWE will simply keep doing what they are doing, and until TNA steps up to the plate and ventures out of Orlando, drops the cheesy set, they will continue to be rim sniffers.
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Well the name is crap(making the band 2 mtv anyone?) as for the beer money vs band match at genesis, it stinks, why not make x-pac who is much younger and a better wrestler than both, be in it, hall is out of shape, nash has not been a good wrestler for around 10 years, so the only reason they got the nod over pac is star power, shame, the y could make joe team with beer money and make it a 6 man tag, they need new members and fast.
The name is crap, no doubt about it. You would think they would put some effort in to a more clever name.
My question is where the hell is Scott Steiner? Shouldn't he be involved with "The Band"? He was singing Hogan's praises before the Jan 4th show, then nothing. Is he still even with the company?
There is no doubt that he can still perform in the ring, just not on a weekly basis. He's worked his ass off in his last 2 PPV matches and is in better shape than Hall. Also, there is no doubt that he is still entertaining on the mic, most of it makes no sense, but it's still funny.
My question is where the hell is Scott Steiner? Shouldn't he be involved with "The Band"? He was singing Hogan's praises before the Jan 4th show, then nothing. Is he still even with the company?
There is no doubt that he can still perform in the ring, just not on a weekly basis. He's worked his ass off in his last 2 PPV matches and is in better shape than Hall. Also, there is no doubt that he is still entertaining on the mic, most of it makes no sense, but it's still funny.
I'm hoping Steiner doesn't get involved with that, at least membership-wise. If I were booking, I'd have "The Band" approach him, asking him why he hasn't teamed up, and then let Steiner shoot on them, the way he does best, calling them a bunch of drunks and has-beens, and how he still has it, and is in great shape. This sets up a decent feud with Nash, even if the matches themselves are lackluster, and leaves room for someone to step up and rid TNA of Hall and Waltman.
Didn't Steiner get injured in his last match with Lashley? While I do think he will be in there eventually maybe that is why we have not seen him yet.
Doesn anyone think TNA need to keep Scott Hall out of the ring. He annoyed on impact. Bisch was carrying that promo and he kept on interrupting. Only a genius like Easy E could have continued effortlessly. Waltman looks in decent shape and could probably still go and Nash doesn't annoy me that much. Beer Money should win tonight but I doubt that they will.
Unless Waltman is in the X Division match? But that still rules out a title change given the UK tour advertising.
Doesn anyone think TNA need to keep Scott Hall out of the ring. He annoyed on impact. Bisch was carrying that promo and he kept on interrupting. Only a genius like Easy E could have continued effortlessly. Waltman looks in decent shape and could probably still go and Nash doesn't annoy me that much. Beer Money should win tonight but I doubt that they will.
Unless Waltman is in the X Division match? But that still rules out a title change given the UK tour advertising.
The story arc i see developing now is Hogan freaks out at "the band" on this weeks impact. Jarret approaches them after, he goes back to his guitar welding leader of "the band". Clash between old TnA vs new TnA. Jarret gets people that Hogan "screwed over". The band run a muck NwO style. Sting sits in rafters watching it all unfold not sure if he likes the new direction almost mirroring the fans. Builds up, old vs new TnA, match between Jarret and Hogan for hogan out vs Jarett's share of the company, "the band" turn on Jarett. It was all just a ploy to get Jarett and the wasted talent out of TnA. cause as you know it is "4 life", exit Jarret new TnA. Already been subtle Bischoff hints in the interviews and segments.
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Having Hall, Nash, and Pac as "the Band" in TNA makes sense from a storyline perspective with Hogan/Bischoff gaining control of TNA. "The Band" could really add to TNA in a controversial, whats gonna happen next context if done right. Having them attack people in the back and with "The Loose Cannon" Scott Hall even attacking fans they will be a great nusaince for Hogan to deal with. Add a possiblity of a returning Steiner to their ranks and they could really add to Impact if featured in feuds with some of TNAs talent.
However, really they should stay away from anything within the true TNA mainevent such as Angle, Flair, Styles, Samoa Joe, and the World Title. Rather it would be smart to utilize them in feuds with guys like Beer Money and The Machine Guns. If TNA were to present the Guns as a top level duo like a modern DX, as guys that can go in the ring and are charismatic and rebelious outside a feud with nWo could work. The veterans would outnumber and attack them but in the ring they could easily take them and some of the potential for skits and promos such as the Guns impersonating nWo or something along that would be entertaining to an extent. Add Jarrett to the mix trying to get nWo to align with him against Hogan and there is another interesting storyline concept.
However, really they should stay away from anything within the true TNA mainevent such as Angle, Flair, Styles, Samoa Joe, and the World Title. Rather it would be smart to utilize them in feuds with guys like Beer Money and The Machine Guns. If TNA were to present the Guns as a top level duo like a modern DX, as guys that can go in the ring and are charismatic and rebelious outside a feud with nWo could work. The veterans would outnumber and attack them but in the ring they could easily take them and some of the potential for skits and promos such as the Guns impersonating nWo or something along that would be entertaining to an extent. Add Jarrett to the mix trying to get nWo to align with him against Hogan and there is another interesting storyline concept.
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The Rock wouldn't draw? He's a disgrace? Wow, wrestling markdom at it's best.
And did someone say his movies suck? Tell that to Hollywood producers while they're looking at these numbers:
The Scorpion King - $165m
The Game Plan - $148m
Race to Witch Mountain - $105m
Doom - $57m
Walking Tall - $47m
Planet 51 - $43m
Gridiron Gang - $41m
That's over $600 just on those movies. We'll see how the Tooth Fairy does (will probably end up with $75-$100m) and he still has 4 more movies opening in the next 1-3 years.
The Rock and the term sell out do go in the same sentence, but the term is used as a verb, not a pronoun. He sells the heck out of whatever he's doing. He actually got $57m out of Doom? Are you kidding me? I know most of the hype was from the video game, but we all know if it was some lower calibur actor who starred in the movie, it would've went straigh to DVD.
The fact is this: The Rock alone would've attracted more fans than Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Jeff Hardy, Bischoff, "The Band", Mr. Kennedy, Sean Morley, Nasty Boys, Orlando Jordan, and Bubba The Waste of Space COMBINED. We all know for a FACT that the same little kids who drag their parents to go pay $8-$11 per ticket to watch his movies, would beg their parents to watch TNA each Thursday night for a lot less money. They'd also beg for his merchandise, get hooked on other TNA talent, want to go watch the shows live, and possibly go as far as to convince their parents to order TNA PPVs.
Hogan and Co. will not do that. Hogan's M.O. is to make himself loved, get his daughter on camera as much as possible, and bring in his boys so that they owe him when he can't con desperate promoters like Dixie Carter into paying him anymore.
And did someone say his movies suck? Tell that to Hollywood producers while they're looking at these numbers:
The Scorpion King - $165m
The Game Plan - $148m
Race to Witch Mountain - $105m
Doom - $57m
Walking Tall - $47m
Planet 51 - $43m
Gridiron Gang - $41m
That's over $600 just on those movies. We'll see how the Tooth Fairy does (will probably end up with $75-$100m) and he still has 4 more movies opening in the next 1-3 years.
The Rock and the term sell out do go in the same sentence, but the term is used as a verb, not a pronoun. He sells the heck out of whatever he's doing. He actually got $57m out of Doom? Are you kidding me? I know most of the hype was from the video game, but we all know if it was some lower calibur actor who starred in the movie, it would've went straigh to DVD.
The fact is this: The Rock alone would've attracted more fans than Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Jeff Hardy, Bischoff, "The Band", Mr. Kennedy, Sean Morley, Nasty Boys, Orlando Jordan, and Bubba The Waste of Space COMBINED. We all know for a FACT that the same little kids who drag their parents to go pay $8-$11 per ticket to watch his movies, would beg their parents to watch TNA each Thursday night for a lot less money. They'd also beg for his merchandise, get hooked on other TNA talent, want to go watch the shows live, and possibly go as far as to convince their parents to order TNA PPVs.
Hogan and Co. will not do that. Hogan's M.O. is to make himself loved, get his daughter on camera as much as possible, and bring in his boys so that they owe him when he can't con desperate promoters like Dixie Carter into paying him anymore.
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