The Miz Retains The WWE Championship

I thought that the end to the title match completely burried the Miz. A clean win would have pushed him to the next level. That crap that they pulled with the Rock made him look like a transitional champion until they could get the title back on Cena for the inevitable Rock vs Cena Match.
 
1) U crying for Miz winning don't air that out
2) The Miz's faces he makes don't annoy u. Shocking. Its funny u bring up same routine because for the most part Cena does what WWE tells them its a routine because WWE wants to sell him as PG to the kids. And Cena is that inbetween. U don't think Rock or stone cold or chris jericho was routine at time. The only differences is they have been relucant to push Cena in the Heal stage.

3. I can assume because when I look at a card see Miz vs Morrison as the main event I don't see my 50 bucks going towards that ppv and I'm not alone. I like morrison. But not that much right now

I don't mean to butt in, but you sound like an idiot dude. I am not trying to come to the other guys defense that you are talking smack too, but you need a reality check son.

1. I am pretty sure he was being sarcastic. I marked out like crazy when Miz won. Crying is just an expression dude.

2. You really think Austin, Jericho, Rock were a routine like John Cena? Wow! Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Cena. I am not one of those, "I hate John Cena, he sucks donkey balls guys." But I can see how he gets on peoples nerves. I will give you an example of routine. I sat here tonight, with a friend who hasn't watched wrestling in years. The Cena match came on and I told him, I bet I can call this whole match before it happens, except who wins. He said ok what's going to happen. I told him straight up, John Cena is going to get beat down and beat down and beat down and at the last second he is going to come to life and go, Shoulder Block Shoulder Block Shoulder Block, Back Drop, You can't see me, AA Attempt. I just described not only the Miz Cena match, but almost all of John Cena's matches. That is a routine dude. Could you do that with Austin? Jericho? Rock? Triple H? No, you couldn't.

3. I love how you already know you won't spend 50 bucks on a hypothetical match that hasn't been built storyline wise yet. The Triple H Taker storyline started awesome, then fizzled out, and last week it got it's fire back. So Miz and Morrison is built absolutely perfect and you wouldn't buy? Really? REALLY?! I find that hard to believe. Not to mention guys like , Triple H, Big Show, Kane, Mysterio, Taker, are all on their way out. The WWE is going to need to start gambling on their new talent a lot sooner than we all think. And if you don't think they need to or should, why don't you go down to best buy, pick up the true story of WrestleMania. That's right, the event you watched tonight was built all on a huge gamble. It's what wrestling has always been built on and what they need to continue to build it on.
 
I jumped up with everyone else at bdubs when Miz retained. We all knew Rock was going to do something at Mania. The youth movement is coming full circle as Miz retains here and it's time the guy gets some respect. He held his own in this round with John Cena and looked good in the WWE Championship Match. He's been on fire all year long and hasn't really missed a step and the guys in charge made the right call putting Miz over Cena!
 
I think the Miz did exactly what he needed to do last night in winning his match on this stage. He not only needed to win, but his performance needed to be solid, which it was. Him and Cena actually put on a decent match contrary to what others may think. We all knew the Rock was gonna come into play one way or another, but I personally didn't see him actually costing Cena the match. It was cool either way. Miz gets to be established as a main event heel, Cena gets his feud with the Rock, WWE wins.

Another thing I wanted to comment on was the whole Cena with his "same moves" stuff. He's is no different than any other main event superstar past or present that you've seen. If you take a look at HBK, HHH, SCSA, The Rock, and especially Hogan, you will see the same routine. Don't get it twisted, his "5 moves of doom" aren't any worse than any of the other greats.
 
Exactly, it'll sell but not because of that match. Nobody will be buying it for Morrison vs Miz. Why have a main event when people would rather buy the PPV for another match instead? That's the purpose of a main event.

And I didn't say we can't have two new guys for once. Just because I ruled Morrison out doesn't mean there are a billion other new guys they can use. But to get someone new over, you have to have them establish themselves in the main event against a veteran. Would Morrison's title win over Miz look more impressive than him beating Cena, Orton, or Punk?

I personally speaking would buy the PPV for the sake of that match. Two of my favorite wrestlers for the richest prize in the business. Who is to say they wouldn't build it up well? Morrison is one of the few guys who could make a good challenge for the WWE title. Doesn't have to win it but he is the best position of any mid/upper mid carder out there.

Well, let's see, you can say all you want about the way The Miz won his matches but The Miz has sold merch and not to mention, no matter how people say he won it, his three wins against Orton and his win against Cena at Mania DOES COUNT in the record books. So on record, he DID do it. Miz is arguably the top heel on the roster maybe even the entire ocmpany right now with only Punk rivaling him IMO. Morrison has all the accomplishments, the tools and an upper mid carder challenging is fine. I would buy for this PPV because I am sick of Cena and Orton in the main event. Even if it's for once, I'd be fine with it.

Putting an unproven champion against an unproven challenger wouldn't sell but Miz has proved himself as champion. Look at the reigns Sheamus had, look at the reign Swagger had, look at the first reign Punk had, and tell me Miz takes a backseat to that. Did any of those guys beat the face of the company at Wrestlemania? An unproven challenger is someone like a Daniel Bryan who comes out of nowhere and gets no crowd reaction, much as I love the guy. Morrison has held the tag belts five times, IC belt three times, ECW title, has challenged for the WWE title and has been in numerous #1 contender matches. Not to mention he is to mic work what Cena is to in ring wrestling- better than what most people give credit for, even if it isn't the best.
 
I think the Miz did exactly what he needed to do last night in winning his match on this stage. He not only needed to win, but his performance needed to be solid, which it was. Him and Cena actually put on a decent match contrary to what others may think. We all knew the Rock was gonna come into play one way or another, but I personally didn't see him actually costing Cena the match. It was cool either way. Miz gets to be established as a main event heel, Cena gets his feud with the Rock, WWE wins.

Another thing I wanted to comment on was the whole Cena with his "same moves" stuff. He's is no different than any other main event superstar past or present that you've seen. If you take a look at HBK, HHH, SCSA, The Rock, and especially Hogan, you will see the same routine. Don't get it twisted, his "5 moves of doom" aren't any worse than any of the other greats.

My biggest issue is not him doing the five moves of doom. It's what moves he uses for the five moves of doom. They don't look believable. The shoulder blocks don't look impressive. Backdrop so-so. Is the five knuckle shufle supposed to hurt? I would so kick out of the FU if he gave it to me and tried to pin me. Although I would tap to the STF.

Now let's look at Orton's five moves- clothesline, clothesline, DDT, powerslam, stalking for the RKO. Granted, Orton and Cena are both amazingly annoying to a great degree, but you tell me, which five moves of doom look more impressive? To me, it's no contest.
 
Even though I dislike The Miz, this was the right thing to do in order to not completely bury the kid. I mean, when's the last time Cena actually lost at Wrestlemania to someone not named Shawn Michaels, Orton or Undertaker.

Good for Miz. I'm glad he's up there with the elite now. They're trusting him.

I just wish he'd do that at another Wrestlemania, not the shittiest one I've seen in ten years.
 
First off Corey, I wasn't talking about HOW he won the matches. I don't care HOW he won the matches. I'm personally glad he won and I'm a Mizfit. I was talking about how him defending the title against someone who hasn't really been in the seen won't sell and will most likely be forgotten.


My biggest issue is not him doing the five moves of doom. It's what moves he uses for the five moves of doom. They don't look believable. The shoulder blocks don't look impressive. Backdrop so-so. Is the five knuckle shufle supposed to hurt? I would so kick out of the FU if he gave it to me and tried to pin me. Although I would tap to the STF.

Uh, Lawler uses a dropping punch and wins matches. The Rock Bottom looks equally as "weak". So did Macho Man's finisher.
 
The Miz is AWESOME! he even had the fans cheering for him. maybe this is the time to have the double turn, miz as face and cena as heel.... nevermind. they'll never make cena heel, they'll lose too many kids for that to happen. cena is god to the wwe, you can tell by his mania entrance.
 
The booking of the match was bad, but the desired result came across. Cena simply didn't need to win this match, he shouldn't have won it and he didn't. That pleases me to no end. The Miz got his big entrance and his big moment at the end. He fully deserved to win following the last year he had and in terms of booking this work wonderfully. Miz wins yet again with the odds arguably stacked against him. Did he have help? Yes, but that doesn't matter, he still won. Fully deserved win and I'm pleased he got the victory.
 
Miz Vs A-ri .. Come on make it happen.

A-ri looked gold as a valet ... and he has in every match he's been there, there are a lot of people hating on him, but I think he's working pretty damn well

as for the Miz, the video before the mathc told me he would win. It was a FANTASTIC video package and really made me want the Miz to win more than anything, it was obvious he would get it from that imo . and i'm glad he did.

Now please don't put Triple H in the title picture against him.
 
So tonight we witnessed yet another title defense where Miz' win was illegitimate. I personally thought the interference on this occasion was the right option, however WM main event is not the issue I have a slight problem with. Since Miz became champion he has not had a single clean win over a credible opponent. He's had clean victories over Daniel Bryan and some other unworthy midcarders but not one legit win that proves he's a main eventer.

I understand the heel, especially the type Miz is, requirement is to lose but I also believe for him to be considered a strong champion he needs to be booked winning, on an inconsistent basis, cleanly over some main event talent.

Miz can easily lose his title tonight and beliavably slip back into US title picture.

Thoughts on this.
 
Even though I dislike The Miz, this was the right thing to do in order to not completely bury the kid.

Good point. I had been thinking that once Miz drops the title (and I thought he'd lose it at WM) that it would essentially be the end of Miz's push as a major character. He needs the title belt around his waist to merit the attention being given him.

Conversely, despite outward appearances, Cena doesn't really need to be champion in order to be the #1 WWE performer. He's going to generate heat (both positive and negative) just by being himself; it's not important whether he's holding the title or chasing it.

Even as he continues as champ, I don't know what they're going to do with Miz next. I'm not really excited about him, but I must admit he's been working his tail off, both in the ring and as a representative of WWE outside the organization. (Hello, Conan!)

As for Cena, it will be really interesting to see if they continue some sort of limited program between him and the Rock. To just abandon it after what happened last night seems really foolish; yet, we have to remember that Rock belongs to Hollywood now, not WWE. No one truly believes he's returned to WWE for good, do they?
 
I believe Miz is ABSOLUTELY credible as a champion.

Reasoning for this is based off of the legitimacy he's brought back to the championship. For the first time in a while the title isn't bouncing from one person to another to another. There is some actual credit to winning it now, to ending the Miz's "lucky streak" or the Miz's "cheat streak".

His reign reminds me a lot of JBL and to be honest, I think he'll hold the title for near to the same length of time. There is a lot of legitimacy to his reign even if it's been a shady title reign. Sometimes though a good heel DOESN'T need to retain the title fairly. Sometimes a good heel can get away without one clean win and this is what theyre doing with the Miz.
 
I genuinely hope not, he suits the WWE Title perfectly, its only about time before he finally defends the title legit.

I love his heel character, so in my opinion I hope he keeps the title for a while, otherwise if he loses it, its another classic boring stint for a superstar to be WWE Champion without holding onto it for a while and where he defends it brilliantly over and over.

The WWE needs another veteran to emerge and I reckon it's The Miz that will be this veteran.

Long live The Miz!
 
I think he's a credible champion for sure, I just think he needs some in ring work. Miz isn't the best worker and everyone knows that but he makes up for it with hard work. Miz needs more feuds and more storylines before he faces Cena. Not because he isn't credible but because he needs to learn a little bit more. I think the video package we saw last night proves he's there to stay.
 
Being a massive fan of the Miz, i hoped he would retain, and i am glad he did. Cena simply did not need it.

However, as soon as Edge retained, i thought, shit, no way both champs will retain. But they did, and im grateful for that.

A-Ry was brilliant again, guys a real talent imo.

Miz got the win, and Cena finally lost, we may have seen the end of SuperCena, SuperOrton on the other hand....
 
I can say easily that a lot of people think he's credible. But the truth is, he is not. He's great on promos, like most people are, but he sucks at wrestling.

His match at WrestleMania 27 proved this, the match was fucking lame. All The Miz did was a DDT, Turnbuckle Clothesline, Skull Crushing Finale, and some stupid submissions. It showed Miz is limited in the ring, and I found him to be anything but credible. And the way he beat Cena, with The Rock interfering, that was also pathetic. What did Miz do? Absolutely nothing, he pinned him out after a move The Rock done for him. And also, to make it worse, The Rock beat him up after the match.

Miz can cut good segments and promos, a matter of fact, his video package in the beginning was fucking epic, but this so-called wrestlemania main even match made me lose a lot of respect for him.
 
Miz should really be a mid-carder. Give him that big title shot every now and then as he worked his way up the ladder but his main deal should be US or IC titles. He's just not a main carder. With Cena in the ring with him he is irrelevant alone. Throw in anticipation of the Rock and they both became irrelevant. The match was nothing more or less than waiting for Rock to appear.
 
EDGE VS DE RIO should have headlined it was by far the better of the 2 title matches and the Miz is not ready to carry the company. He's only as relevant as his opponent on the card. in time thou He may be a great heel champion but now is not that time.
 
The Miz is not a credible champion by any means.

The guy couldn't even beat an over 60 years old Jerry Lawler cleanly for his first title defense, that alone had absolutely killed his credibility. Followed by the fact that he retained against Orton in their series of matches with the help of inference, his "dominant" attacks over Cena were mostly blindsided and The Rock easily disposed of him in the last Raw and at WM.

WM is suppose to be the stage where he steps up and prove to the world that he deserves to be a World Champion like what Batista and Cena did when they were rising but he absolutely threw away the chance.
 
I'm glad Miz won, not only because I think John Cena is a cock, but I like Miz' character, and I think he deserves the WWE title. I just hope that he doesn't carry on defending his title in a deceiving way. Last night we knew The Rock was going to interfere and get his own back, therefore he was the reason Miz retained the title. In a way I'm very happy that this happened, I love the fact The Rock owned Cena, and I love the fact that Miz retained the title. However, I am slightly disappointed because I feel that Miz needs to win by himself at some point. Will be interesting to see who his next feud is with, hopefully not Orton again..
 
i think he is credible, someone said his run with the WWE title was like JBLs, but i think it's been better. JBL had good mic work, but wasnt one to excite you in the ring. Miz wont put on 5 star matches, but he's improved in the ring and is gold on the mic. i am NOT a fan of Miz flipping the title upside down (still looks cheesy), BUT i was hoping that he would get a new WWE title that was more like a real title and unlike some, i dont hate listening to him on the mic. i dont like listening to Cole because he ususally screams, Miz doesnt. his run has been really good, he's beaten people, usually by cheating, but he wins.
 
I think he is credible but for a different reason than you. In the past whether it was Swagger, Punk (first reign) or Sheamus we always said man he came one win close of becoming a solid champ, well the Miz got that win yesterday.

He is booked to look weak and beatable any night and the fact that he always come on top while looking weak only generate more hate toward him which is the clear goal of the process.

But why I think he is credible is because Vince decided to endorse him yesterday he clearly give the ball to The Miz making him come on top of his "biggest" star on the biggest stage of them all.
 
The guy got booked to kick out of an Attitude Adjustment and has held the belt for a good 6 months now, and beaten Cena one on one at Wrestlemania, the only man to do so. How much more credible can you get?
 

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