The Final Poll

[Pepe Silvia]

Let's hear your argument. You feel like you do a lot of work?

Why is SSC's knowledge of modship only limited to what he does?

Are you ugly?

 

[SalvIsWin]

Yeah dude, I take that as an insult. Do you know how much effort Nick and I put into cleaning the WWE Section? I know that I delete upwards of 24 posts a day on good days and I know Nick is right there with me. Not to mention the thread merging, putting threads in the correct section, doling out warnings/infractions, and checking IPs for potential alts. You have no idea what goes on and I'd appreciate it if you didn't shortchange the workload we have.

Reviewing what you said and reviewing the WWE section, I would agree that it looks active enough to warrant moderation. I would view this as the exception to what I said, not disproving it.

I will admit that your section looks like it actually requires moderation.

 

[Coco]

 

[SalvIsWin]

Why is SSC's knowledge of modship only limited to what he does?

Argument is that the wrestlezone forums are seemingly not in much need of moderation. Nate made his point, and after reviewing the WWE section I would agree that it's a section which would require moderation, and hence I revised what I said to exclude his section. Everything else I said I stand by.

 

[Tastycles]

Let's be honest here, most new users come into the spam sections and make a fool of themselves and then longtime users begin to punish them for their mistake's. Something Coco/everyone else has done nothing but do, why should that be encouraged by making the man the king of the section?

Crock.

 

[Matth3w]

Dagger Dias gets my vote!

 

[Tastycles]

Argument is that the wrestlezone forums are seemingly not in much need of moderation. Nate made his point, and after reviewing the WWE section I would agree that it's a section which would require moderation, and hence I revised what I said to exclude his section. Everything else I said I stand by.

I spent about 25 minutes sifting through IP addresses this evening to check for alts. I spend about 20-30 minutes a day reading posts in my own section. I became a mod two years ago with about 2000 posts made over 18 months, I've only had 600 more since, and I spend a lot more time here than I used to. The reason you don't see what we do is because we do it so fucking well that everything runs smoothly. When Shamar James made 10 million alts and posted porn everywhere, not a single post lasted more than 5 minutes, because we got them all.

Mods that don't pull their weight get fired. A mod hasn't been fired for nearly two years.

 

[SalvIsWin]

I spent about 25 minutes sifting through IP addresses this evening to check for alts. I spend about 20-30 minutes a day reading posts in my own section. I became a mod two years ago with about 2000 posts made over 18 months, I've only had 600 more since, and I spend a lot more time here than I used to. The reason you don't see what we do is because we do it so fucking well that everything runs smoothly. When Shamar James made 10 million alts and posted porn everywhere, not a single post lasted more than 5 minutes, because we got them all.

Mods that don't pull their weight get fired. A mod hasn't been fired for nearly two years.

So are you saying that the function of this election was to actually have another moderator who would moderate? My original point is that nothing changes as a result of this election, there is no additional moderating needed, Dagger will not kill Wrestlezone. Do you disagree with any of that?

 

[George Steele's Barber]

The implication here is that Dagger's homophobia is equivalent to NorCal's racism & bigotry, and I don't think it is. The sheer belligerency of NorCal's comments in the sexual racism thread would hesitate me to vote for him far more than Dagger's homophobia did.

How about Dagger's confession that his religion and upbringing would make it to hard to not mentally repress and abuse his gay child? How about his sexism and degradation of women?

I think you need to take a look at where your values lie. What type of values do you look for in the people that you generally reward.

However, if it was the best choice, I would vote for NorCal, sure.

So you would vote for someone you consider a racist and/or bigot to a position that you believe suits little purpose as long as they were the best choice?

I think you're bright, well spoken and evolved but your righteousness clouds your ability to think past your ego. Might want to step back and revisit your values before you continue to pass judgement on others.

 

[Tastycles]

No he won't kill WrestleZone, he has a high likelihood of being a pain in the arse and causing drama for the rest of us, which ultimately makes it harder on Joe Sixposts. There's a post where I talk about TM and Sidious somewhere where I've made this more elaborate.

If Dagger comes along and does the job properly, there's no problems, you're right. I think there's a high likelihood he won't do it properly though, and that's why I'd take either of the other two over him.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Let's be honest here, most new users come into the spam sections and make a fool of themselves and then longtime users begin to punish them for their mistake's. Something Coco/everyone else has done nothing but do, why should that be encouraged by making the man the king of the section?

How does someone that has been here for less than two months know the habits of new users?

I eagerly await your red rep again.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

How does someone that has been here for less than two months know the habits of new users?

I eagerly await your red rep again.

I been here as a member for less than two months. And it's not like we get a new user every month they come pretty easily everyday and yes the spam section is one of the first things they find. Plus I have no reason to red rep you when you actually speak intelligently.

 

[SalvIsWin]

How about Dagger's confession that his religion and upbringing would make it to hard to not mentally repress and abuse his gay child? How about his sexism and degradation of women?

I think you need to take a look at where your values lie. What type of values do you look for in the people that you generally reward.

I did that. I voted for Dagger, but that vote was motivated by not wanting Coco the Monkey to win. Crock wasn't going to win, so it seemed like a wasted vote. To your actual point, I'm not an expert on Dagger or the things he has said, I respond to things as I see them. If Dagger had posted his homosexuality comments in the sections I frequent and I saw it, I would comment just like I did to NorCal.

Also, my entire point is that I don't believe anyone was being rewarded in this election. They will have a bolded name and a responsibility that I feel is shallow - I'm not concerned.

So you would vote for someone you consider a racist and/or bigot to a position that you believe suits little purpose as long as they were the best choice?

I think you're bright, well spoken and evolved but your righteousness clouds your ability to think past your ego. Might want to step back and revisit your values before you continue to pass judgement on others.

Valid argument - I'll consider what you've said.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

 

[The Champ]

Just over 14 hours until Dagger becomes mod.

Let's all enjoy our last few moments together.

 

[Slyfox696]

What moderating even needs to be done on Wrestlezone forums?

Let's put it this way.

I need 100 bushels of hay moved from the barn to the pasture. 3 guys can do it in 33 trips. 4 guys can do it in 25.

By having an extra person, I saved 8 trips for three different people. Or, to relate it back to the forums, having another person to moderate takes some of the load off the others who are already doing the work.

Has the work been getting done? Yes. Could it be easier for those who are doing it? Yes. That's where another moderator helps.

Translation:

"Crap! Now I either need to deny Dagger the mod position after all of this election nonsense or even worse - work with him. F this job."

Even if it wasn't a prank to start, they should claim it was a prank now as an easy cop out.

I don't have a problem with Dagger winning the election.

No he won't kill WrestleZone, he has a high likelihood of being a pain in the arse and causing drama for the rest of us,

He won't be. He'll behave. I would think you know me better than that.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

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[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

1) There's no need for a WWE mod either.

True, but probably more needed than a spam mod. As you said a while back the WWE section did have 4 mods a while back. Or is that a strategy you can use only to get people to vote for Crock.

And what is this anyway, a counter allegation to defend Coco? That's what people do when there is no way to defend the allegation.

2) Coco doesn't really care? I'm glad Sly pointed that out, or I would have never figured!

Except that Crock and Dagger both care and you need a level of sincerity to accomplish a job of this sort. It's a point against Coco nonetheless.

3) Coco's a troll. So is Sly. So are many of the best posters here. I don't see the problem.

And Sly pointed out exactly how that would hinder him from his job as a mod. Sly has shown that he can throw trolling out of the window when he is administrating but Coco has shown an inability to do the same. Hell, he has failed to be serious when Sly, the guy who will ultimately give you your job, asked him questions. If you are that casual, maybe you do not deserve the job.

All three reasons for not voting for Coco existed even before the election and yet you guys repeatedly denied these three reasons especially number 1 and number 3. But when Sly came into the picture, you just had no choice but to accept them.

The only reason you guys wanted Coco as mod is because you are buddies with him.

I didn't know it existed until the election. If I did, I would have ripped Dagger all sorts of new assholes when he first made that post. I can't speak for anyone else.

Guys who do not come around often can give that excuse but you and me both know that that thread did generate quite a lot of discussion due to the homophobia of another poster. There were even threads trashing FSWWE's name in the bar room. If there had been another homophobic post in that thread and if homophobia disgusts you that much, you would have gone after that post as well.

Only one of the two things could have happened. Either that post is not as homophobic as you guys say it is and you are making a bigger deal out of it by quoting it out of context. Even Sly said something of the same sort when he addressed the issue in Dagger's apology thread. Or you just do not care what Dagger will do to his child and are just using his homophobia as a tool to get people to vote Coco. I think the first reason is true.

I do not know too much about homosexuality but I do know that it is a hot topic in these forums. At least one poster would have noticed that post and attacked it had it been so offensive. Yet, no one did.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

Let's put it this way.

I need 100 bushels of hay moved from the barn to the pasture. 3 guys can do it in 33 trips. 4 guys can do it in 25.

By having an extra person, I saved 8 trips for three different people. Or, to relate it back to the forums, having another person to moderate takes some of the load off the others who are already doing the work.

Has the work been getting done? Yes. Could it be easier for those who are doing it? Yes. That's where another moderator helps.

Isn't this common point for ALL jobs. I'm not arguing, Im agreeing.

Im doing a small online comedy show right now with a friend. What started as 2 of us working on this idea, 3 became 4 people by time we shot the pilot. Now we have 5 people working on it.

The work got done with 3 or 4 people, hell we could shoot it with just 3 of us. But more people working on it means less work for everyone else and makes the process work so much smoother.

 

[Slyfox696]

Isn't this common point for ALL jobs. I'm not arguing, Im agreeing.

Im doing a small online comedy show right now with a friend. What started as 2 of us working on this idea, 3 became 4 people by time we shot the pilot. Now we have 5 people working on it.

The work got done with 3 or 4 people, hell we could shoot it with just 3 of us. But more people working on it means less work for everyone else and makes the process work so much smoother.

Absolutely, and as long as you can afford to bring on more hands to help out, there's no reason not to.

 

[gd]

I'm concerned that this addition of another fat cat mod will raise our taxes.

 

[Slyfox696]

I'm concerned that this addition of another fat cat mod will raise our taxes.

How else am I supposed to draw my salary???

 

[klunderbunker]

I'm concerned that this addition of another fat cat mod will raise our taxes.

Do you have any idea what it costs to keep me in Gatorade?

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Is another mod going to raise the price of beer?

 

[klunderbunker]

Is another mod going to raise the price of beer?

No, so what do you care?