The Bash; Triple H v Randy Orton WWE title, three stages of hell

[Y 2 Jake]

I'd like to meet somebody who didn't think Orton losing the belt and then winning it back was totally pointless.

I'm not sure why Triple H chose to return last week. The only reason they had the battle royal was so he didn't lose his return match. A battle royal for a shot at the belt would have been a good way to have a one off match between Orton and maybe MVP. Instead it's another match that's been done time and time again.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I don't see why that battle royal couldn't have been for a shot at the title at The Bash. Now we will get HHH/Orton two times in seven days and they haven't had great matches together. This would have been a great opportunity for MVP at The Bash to prove he's worthy for the main-event and Orton and HHH can face off at Summerslam.

 

[Razor]

So, I'm confused. I know Triple H got the title shot, but Trump said he gets to have a title match against Orton next Monday. Does this coming Last Man Standing match use up Triple H's match at The Bash? Probably not.

Blah blah blah, same old same old. Though are we at all surprised that this is happening? Ever since Orton lined himself up against the McMahons and Batista we should have known we'd be getting the same match for a year. What's sad is I don't think I've seen one outing from them that was any good.

Triple H will win, just because. There's no rhyme or reason to the title picture at the moment. Why not make your top heel lose the belt after 2 weeks of holding it? Sounds like a great idea! I mean, I know Orton sucks for ratings. But if they were any worried about ratings they wouldn't have had him win that Fatal Four Way.

 

[psykohurricane]

The fact of the matter is that they are giving away this main event match-up for free one week before the PPV where they will face each other again. So don'T be surprised to see Orton lose the belt next week only to regain it at the Bash.

The point is that vince is desperate for rating and buyrates and HHH as much as the IWC hates him, he's one of the most over performer out there right now and so it makes sense to put your most over Face against your most over Heel at the PPV. How many people do you think would bought this PPV if it was Main Evented by MVP instead of HHH. Not as much because MVP isn'T a big draw yet, he'S really starting to get there but he isn't there yet. So until a guy like MVP is ready to get the spotlight, we are going to get match like orton vs HHH over and over agian.

So like i said, i found the fact that we get the raw main event for free next week in what will probably be a way better match that the one the will have at the bash but we are stock we it so let'S just deal with it.

 

[gregfj2]

Triple H vs Orton again is fine, as long as Hunter has a plan for the Legacy element. Last night's 3 For All was better than I expected, so it makes no sense to trash future matches if you're gonna watch them anyway. Next week is interesting because Triple H looks ready for PPV-level action but Randy looks like he'd rather wait. If Legacy can raise their game to deserve Tag belts, then Randy might have to improvise his usual plan to beat Triple H. Mondays at work have been crazy, but I always think about Raw that night and work just gets done & over before I know it. Monday #185 was still great.

 

[scabooshmoo1]

i have no problems with this match at all. yes the 24th anniversary of wrestlemania was a bit of a let down and the whole orton hhh thing has been done so many times but hell i honestly think these 2 work well together and its gonna be a great match. ovcourse next weeks raw main event will be a no contest with a legecy interfernce but the bash will be awsome and if you dont like it then just dont buy it simple

p.s can someone plz from the IWC tell me when the undertaker is due to comeback or why he is out atm? cheers (Y)

 

[Shadowstorm220]

The problem with RAW right now is that they don't really have anyone else ready to step up to main event status. Kennedy having to be fired ruined a possible great feud in the making that could have kept Trips out another month to sell his injuries more.

The only reason he even came back last week was because of Batista's injury. He was supposed to have another month off and come back the RAW after Night of Champions.

I see some sort of angle where they keep the belt on Orton next week happening. Orton then will also win at The Bash to keep the belt a little while longer.

I think Night of Champions would be a good spot for a Triple Threat or Elimination style match and have MVP sneak into there because Cena will likely be in that match too.

 

[TwistofRKO]

It's clear why they have the match twice in 6 days. It may be the incorrect way of going about it, but the last solid 1-on-1 match they put together was their LMS match, so in attempt to dispel any notions they can't work well together to make a good match, they'll give you a hardcore match with great spots to keep your interest in the PPV match.

I just want Orton to retain. He can put Trips over, again, but I at least ask he doesn't look weak in the process. Orton looked legit for the first time in 2.5 months last night by winning the title back. Keep him looking strong. He can be heelish, but he cant be railroaded every week.

 

[Paradox100]

then dibiase would lay down for orton...

As far orton and hhh they're goin to need to do something interesting for the match that we havnt seen before. why not make it a laddar match? im pretty sure orton has only been in 1 and hhh hasnt been in one yet...

Triple H was in a ladder match against The Rock at Survivor Series 1998 if I'm not mistaking. He also had a ladder match against Shawn Michaels, the third stage in a three stages of hell match.

But, I hope that this match will be much better than the Mania match they had. But I am still confused, they have their match next week, but do they have a match at the bash?

 

[THe WHoLe FuCKiN SHoW]

this is exactly why firing kennedy was insane.

there were plenty of pros and cons to pushing kennedy with his injuries and favor for steroids but his undeniable ability in the ring and fantastic mic work. firing him for botching one move on orton after months of not being in the ring was ridiculuous.

whether u like kennedy or not, he was the answer and without him there is a huge problem on raw. they cant keep pushing HHH vs Orton because its been done so many times. MVP isnt ready and hes the only other face even close to being a new matchup for Orton. Kennedy could have pulled it off and would have gone over huge with a real long fued against Orton and Legacy. Just think about what he could have done. as far as im concerned if u think about who all the best guys on the mic and in the ring are u only have heels (Jericho, Edge and to a certain extent Orton) Kennedy could have had amazing fueds with all of them even tho im aware that 2/3 of them are on smackdown.

all the faces with mic or in ring ability have already fueded with orton numerous times (cena and hhh) with one exception who needs to come to raw soon and thats Christian. wen they fired kennedy it meant that christian needed to take his spot and with smackdown being the A show now and ECW actually being really entertaining lately i dont know if they can take anyone away from those shows to make Raw better.

its come to the point where Randy Orton vs HHH just doesnt cut it anymore after the 17th PPV theyve main evented together.

When Kennedy goes to TNA and has an incredible fued with Kurt Angle and then Daniels and Styles after that the WWE is going to be really pissed that they let him go because TNA, although im not really a fan, is starting to get really good.

its funny how Kennedy is going to take Christian Cage's place in TNA and Christian needs to take the push he was about to recieve in WWE.

 

[theirishtaker]

Maybe,just maybe this is a stroke of genius by creative. Bear with me here. by having the last man standing match next week this fued may come to an end(at least for a week or two) and open up a spot at the bash for the Miz to finally get the push up,maybe even beat HHH leading to a SS spot with Cena. Meanwhile Orton can cost HHH the belt letting them continue the most boring fued ever as a side note. with the Miz and Cena we'll get great promo's and freshness to the title. Any thoughts?

 

[TheGreatSPAMbino]

This is fucking ridiculous, Orton and Triple H first had a world title match in 2005 they have main evented A SHIT LOAD of pay per views and now we have the third last man standing match, you know the feud is going when you've had the same gimmick match THREE FUCKING TIMES, and this is being given away on a super hyped raw (which follows a three hour special edition RAW from the week prior) when you have a ppv you are trying to sell in 6 days. What the fuck is going to happen at the Bash, will they fight again...are we going to get orton/HHH last man standing IV. I understand making RAW feel special and drawing ratings but they also have to remember they need to sell pay per views as well, the three for all followed by a WrestleMania re-match last man standing on consecutive Raws before a ppv is one of the most ludicrous and idiotic things I've ever seen from a business standpoint.

What might happen is that the goon squad DiBiase and Rhodes will come out and help orton assault triple h in the last man standing match, then Shawn Michaels makes his return and comes to help Triple H take out legacy. Somehow this can lead to either michaels vs. orton at the bash or to a DX vs. Legacy match at the bash. Both of which are at least different but neither of which will live up to the last man standing match just given away for free. Afterwards of course this feud involving hhh and orton will continue STILL until the impending hell in a cell match at Summerslam.

 

[ronjoewill16]

austin vs rock #200...more interesting than this

edge vs cena #185...more interesting than this

under fugging taker vs kane #50....more interesting than this

hhh vs orton number....who cares. ratings are great and all. but come on people. you know wat wouldve been really nice? like, really. is if trumps big annoucnemnet was that there was one more entrant in the battle royal. a man who has nothing to do now. (you think you know me) crowd goes wild. edge comes out, wins. edge vs orton whilst they are both heels for only the second time on television. that...my friends....wouldve been nice. sure. keep him on smackdown .watever. have him lose. sure. but hhh vs orton again...i would rather see hogan come back and win the belt from cm punk.

....heyyy...wait a second... nahh.

 

[Haner388994]

I am looking forward to the Last Man Standing match between the two of these men because both of them can put on a pretty decent stipulation match. Yet, I really don't want to see another Orton vs Triple H match with no stipulation. They just can't work that great of a match together without using some sort of weapon during the whole match. Anyways, Randy Orton retains the title on Monday and retians at The Bash in a heelish way.

 

[Hanwell51108]

we want surprises yes we do, so do something big, have Undertaker come in and make it a 3 way, or HBK, have him come in and give him a god damn title, you know whats gonna happen next week, Ortons goons come in and DQ then HHH gets all mad, beats them up and gets another chance. Now you know im right, some every time, what i want to see is a World Champion that lasts longer than 1-2 months, i so hope, for WWEs sake, do something different!!

 

[nthomas504]

In my eyes, it will be a huge letdown for the WWE to allow Triple H Vs RKO at the Bash. They need something a little more fresh. If it were my decision, I would have Triple H lose next week cleanly to Orton and end the feud for a few Raws. Then Cena is anounced the #1 Contender, fight Orton at the Bash. Meanwhile, Miz gets a shot at the US Championship and gets it. Causes Cena to lose his oppurtunity for the title, and thus, starts the official beginning of Cena Vs Miz. For Night of Champions, have Shawn Michaels come back and feud with Orton, Orton punts Shawn, Triple H blows his top off, and officially ends the feud with Orton at Summerslam with A HELL IN A CELL MATCH. This way, they not only get the feud over with, they can plan the official return of HBK, and set the stages for Miz and Cena. I think that this is the plan they should us. But most likely they will try something stupid that will involve something much more difficult.

And the Batista situation, im not gonna say that I know anything, but I'm guessing that Batista was finally given time off, and since they had no other way to keep Batista logically away from Raw, they had to injure him, and what better way to injure someone then out of revenge, especially from a Steal Cage. But thats just my assumpon. I think the WWE didn't plan anything for a Batista break situation and were just going with the flow.

 

[danvandam]

With about 14 PPVs a year and people getting injured left and right now a days, leaves the WWE with very little room to work around the main event scene.

Thats why you have EDGE vs Cena, Edge vs Taker, HHH vs Orton all the time.

At least with all the other feuds they had different types of matches for them, thats why I enjoy Edge/Cena feuds, but HHH/Orton already had a last man standing match. Thats when things get dull and thats where this is heading.

You'll have Cena thrown into the picture somehow and have a triple threat at the Bash and maybe you'll see Triple H finally get his 500th reign as champ, or Cena 300th. I just hope we don't see that and have Orton hold the title for a while.

 

[HitFan]

For one brief moment, I imagined maybe Dibiase and Rhodes both win the battle royal, then Ted throws out Cody. Leaving Ted vs Orton, with a big time Deebs face turn! The kids got the skills. It'd be great...how long have we waiting for a new face! The kids got the look too.

 

[MyselfTheThird]

But that would be too new and exciting for us Raw viewers. We're used to monotony, don't go throwing us through a loop with your fresh new ideas and whatnot.

Seriously I think Ted vs. Orton would be an excellent feud when done at the right time.

 

[Paradox]

I don't know what to think about this match. I mean really the whole thing has been done to death. The reason people hate this is the way that it's been booked. Really someone earlier post how many matches have been done over and over, and how they were still more entertaining then this. Ever since Maina they have booked Orton to look like Triple h stepping stone. They built the guy up only to make him a pathetic champ. I won't be surprised when Trips wins. I will be surprised if Orton retains in this match. Because it will defy what they've been doing for two months.

 

[tehblogger]

Seriously, lol, this feud sucks terribly. I remember last year, when HHH was feuding with Jeff Hardy, how the matches, promos and encounters weren't totally one-sided. Sure, Triple H won all the time when it mattered, and never, despite what his fans claimed he would do, ever put Hardy over, but it still wasn't a total massacre. In this feud Orton hasn't even been extended that courtesy. And Batista has chipped in as well.

No one wants to see this nightmare continue. It fucked up Mania 25, isn't that enough. Seriously, have Orton win and move on. Cuz his career can still be saved at this point, and he still can be the next Austin. He has the talent to do so, both on the mic and in the ring. What purpose would Triple H title reign No. 15 do? Nothing. He won't even draw any better ratings in the slightest.

 

[psykohurricane]

Seriously, lol, this feud sucks terribly. I remember last year, when HHH was feuding with Jeff Hardy, how the matches, promos and encounters weren't totally one-sided. Sure, Triple H won all the time when it mattered, and never, despite what his fans claimed he would do, ever put Hardy over, but it still wasn't a total massacre. In this feud Orton hasn't even been extended that courtesy. And Batista has chipped in as well.

No one wants to see this nightmare continue. It fucked up Mania 25, isn't that enough. Seriously, have Orton win and move on. Cuz his career can still be saved at this point, and he still can be the next Austin. He has the talent to do so, both on the mic and in the ring. What purpose would Triple H title reign No. 15 do? Nothing. He won't even draw any better ratings in the slightest.

I've got a couple of thing to say about this, first of all, Orton will never be the next Austin for the simple fact that he doesn't have the charisma to become as big as austin was. Orton's promo are some of the most boring promos and as far as talent in the ring is concern, he's not that great, he got as much talent in the ring as Cena's doesn't. Orton is a average wrestlers and that all he ever going to be. Next, what would HHH title reign No.15 do, nothing really except maybe put more money in the WWE pocket's via merchandise sells and ticket sales. Sure it won't draw better ratings but at this time it's not like Orton'S as being a rating magnet either.

The only way that you could end this feud between the 2 is for HHH to get is revenge and win the title that the only way, you cannot have orton win at this point to end the feud it would make sense. But what i'm i talking about, the WWE booking team is pretty much booking on the fly right now and are treating all the world championships like they were props. So the don't really matter anyway and i wouldn't be surprised if in the spend of a week we get 2 title changes. I'm like you guys and i don'T care about this feud but let'S face it, they don'T really have a choice right now. They only got 4 main event star on the roster that are not on the injured list and 2 of them are in a more boring feud than this one so like it or not we have to stick with this until guys like batista and HBK come back or that somebody is able to really step up and run with the ball.

So like i said before don't be surprised to see HHH win this monday only to lose again at the bash.

 

[tehblogger]

I've got a couple of thing to say about this, first of all, Orton will never be the next Austin for the simple fact that he doesn't have the charisma to become as big as austin was.

Really?

Orton's promo are some of the most boring promos

I find them compelling, magnetic, serpentine, hypnotic. They're not overstated or brash, like Austin's but that's what makes them so great.

and as far as talent in the ring is concern, he's not that great, he got as much talent in the ring as Cena's doesn't.

Are you saying Orton's no better than Cena? Quite a compliment. That will be excellent, botch-free execution of a deliberately limited moveset, then.

Sure it won't draw better ratings but at this time it's not like Orton'S as being a rating magnet either.

Because the RAW sucks, Triple H and Batista are terrible ATM and Big Show is worse. The creative work in general is lousy. With Cena not doing very much Orton and the Miz are the only reasons to watch.

The only way that you could end this feud between the 2 is for HHH to get is revenge and win the title that the only way, you cannot have orton win at this point to end the feud it would make sense.

I thought Trips got his revenge at Mania. To the sound of deafening silence. Oh, wait, he got punted since then so he has to do it all over again. Really? Couldn't Orton just win, show he's not just the future but the present as well, and Trips accepts his ageing gracefully and moves a rung down the ladder for a little? It won't do his character or overness any harm.

 

[psykohurricane]

I find them compelling, magnetic, serpentine, hypnotic. They're not overstated or brash, like Austin's but that's what makes them so great.

You probably the only one then since according to the neilson rating, Orton's promo's are always the less watch segment of Raw. So comparing Orton to Austin is a joke.

Are you saying Orton's no better than Cena? Quite a compliment. That will be excellent, botch-free execution of a deliberately limited moveset, then.

Yes that what i said because i do think that orton as a pretty good wrestling knowledge. Will he ever be like Bret Hart or Ric Flair, no that won't happen but he'S still talented enough to be carried through a good enough match.

Because the RAW sucks, Triple H and Batista are terrible ATM and Big Show is worse. The creative work in general is lousy. With Cena not doing very much Orton and the Miz are the only reasons to watch.

In a way your right but let face it, Orton hasn't done anything good in the last 2 and a half years. Probably because Creative doesn'T know what to do with him and he's been the face of Raw ever since he won the WWE champîonship at no mercy 2007. He's one of the reason people don't watch Raw anymore. The only people that still care about him or internet marks that go to much free time on there hands. Raw's rating slump is as much Orton's fault has it is HHH and cena's fault.

I thought Trips got his revenge at Mania. To the sound of deafening silence. Oh, wait, he got punted since then so he has to do it all over again. Really? Couldn't Orton just win, show he's not just the future but the present as well, and Trips accepts his ageing gracefully and moves a rung down the ladder for a little? It won't do his character or overness any harm.

Yes but he just came back from a being injured by Orton and you know he wants his revenge for orton taking him out at BAcklash plus the way the fans are reacting right now, i think that's what the fan want.

Like it or Not HHH is there to stay and he's making money for the company and the fans respects him as one of the great performers in the WWE. Orton hasn't had a great performance since he got kick out of Evolution. The fault rely on creative and on Orton himself for not finding a way to get him over.

So we get HHH vs orton twice in one week. It's not the best decision the WWE has ever made but since they are booking on the fly right now it's what we are going to get and if HHH and Orton don't get another championship reign during this week, i'm going to be the most surprised guy in the world.

 

[Lee]

Spoiler: Match preview

There are few things in this world more precious to Randy Orton than the WWE Championship. Unfortunately for the reigning champion, he’s hardly the only one who harbors such affinity for WWE’s most prized possession.

Triple H, his opponent at The Bash, has also been known to pine for the cherished gold – and to stop at nothing to obtain it.

The WWE Champion and his opponent share a long and tumultuous history that spans nearly a decade. Most recently, their animosity reached tragic proportions when Orton and his Legacy henchmen Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase began systematically targeting the McMahon family, including Triple H’s wife, Stephanie.

After decimating the most storied family in the history of the squared-circle, the WWE Champion snuffed out their last shining light when he punted the skull of The Game at Backlash. In the wake of the devastating kick, Triple H wasn’t seen or heard from for weeks. That is, until the WWE Universe witnessed the return of The King of Kings to Monday Night Raw.

Prior to Triple H’s return, however, Orton and The Legacy attacked the then-WWE Champion Batista before a scheduled title match, sending The Animal from the arena on a stretcher. As The Viper waited to be ordained the WWE Champion, The Game crashed the coronation. Exacting a long-awaited vengeance, an enraged Triple H plowed through Rhodes & DiBiase en route to the man who attacked his family and put him on the shelf – obliterating his nemesis with a Pedigree onto a steel chair.

With Batista injured and the WWE Title up for grabs, a Fatal Four Way Match commenced the following week to determine who would reign. Animosity hung thick in the air as Orton, Triple H, John Cena and Big Show all collided for the honor. It was The Viper, however, who would emerge victorious among the wreckage.

And now, Orton must defend his title against the man who has vowed to extract every bit of flesh he feels he’s owed in a match that offers plenty of opportunity for just that. Can Orton possibly evade the wrath that awaits him ? Or will Triple H be able to overcome The Viper and his network of annihilation, The Legacy?

To find out, tune into all the action live on pay-per-view Sunday, June 28 at 8 ET/5 CT.

Surely this is the final match of their feud, nothing says the end like a three stages of hell match. Sometimes these guys work well together, sometimes it just annoys me no end. We'll see come Sunday.