Survivor Series: Randy Orton vs. Shawn Michaels

[Shocky]

I actually don't mind this match. It beats another Pseudo DX reunion that i can honestly give a shit about if that match was true. Who else is there at this time to feud with Orton. It's the natural progression of this storyline. It's typical WWE milking a feud out for four months on pay per view with little to no pay off.

However, who knows, this Save Us and the ten years anniversary of the screwjob, plus the fact of McMahon acknowledging the screw job, seems pretty interesting to me.

I honestly wouldn't mind Michaels getting another shot. A Michaels Heel turn would be great, and oh god, Michaels vs. Jericho in the main event at Wrestlemania, holy poop balls.

And if anyone wants Michaels vs. Triple H...again... at Wrestlemania, you probably hate wrestling. Triple H shouldn't be anywhere near a main event, even of a Heat. The guy is horrible and over the hill, and just looks like shit in the ring anymore.

 

[vega13mv]

I, as a wrestling fan, have the ability to complain until my hearts content. And I am not complaining about the repeat/rematch between these two, as its (in my opinion) the best option they have.. when comparing the other to Kennedy or Hardy in the mix.

If I were to ever complain, it'd only be because I'm tired of the same ol' "screw job" ending to a Championship match. If the heel wins, fine.. let him win in a heel-ish way, by cheating, or using illegal tactics. Don't have him win via the match being thrown out, or by someone else interfering. It downgrades Randy Orton as a Champion to say he couldn't even cheat by himself to win. (Edge has cheated by himself multiple times to retain/win Championships - Orton could easily be similar)



NO, it most certainly would NOT have been better to sit through another Jeff Hardy v. Randy Orton match. I've seen enough of them on Raw weekly.. & Kennedy may of been a slight step up from Hardy, but heel v. heel on a p.p.v. wouldn't sell worth a crap & you'd see a huge line of "smarks" making a b-line to the consession stands, as noone who loves cheering for the good & booing the bad, would care about bad v. bad.

And the Main Event will ALWAYS be repetetive, its wrestling.. regardless of the "actors" playing their "roles" its the exact same thing in EVERY match. Just with different colors, names, moves, etc.



Last time I checked, you could've voted multiple times over for who you wanted to win the polls. My guess is you DID have control over it, but opted not to waste time trying to make it worth anything. Therefore, you shouldn't complain when you could've did something.

And finally.. I don't like Cena, but I respect his ability. I love T.N.A., but they're quickly becoming nothing more than a second rate W.W.E. produced show. And I don't choke down what W.W.E. force feeds me, but I do accept it, because I'm NOT the f'n booker! If you don't like what you see.. change the channel. C.S.I. & Law & Order are on practically every other channel these days.. I'm sure that may entertain you more.

NOW THEN...

In my personal opinion.. I still hope this match will end with the role-reversal of the Montreal Screw Job, only this time having H.B.K. look to get screwed, only for Mr. McMahon to turn on Randy Orton & have H.B.K. turn heel, winning the Championship & aligning himself with McMahon. (It would set up the newly optionable H.B.K. v. H.H.H. - WrestleMania, Raw Main Event)

now, you may be content with watching the same thing over and over again, but im not. also, assuming i didnt vote for hardy was dumb, as i obviously did, otherwise I wouldnt of had the right to complain. Hardy should've been in the main event cuz that way we might have some new faces in the title picture. but all thats gonna happen now is the title is gonna be bounced around the same old guys: orton, edge, michaels or HHH, until cena finally comes back, wins the damn thing again, and has another long and borring title reign. all the while the underrated talent like hardy, kennedy, benjamin, and many others are still gonna be stuck in crappy storylines, or chasing the same tag or IC titles they've been chasing for a while now. also, i dont watch CSI or law&order, nor do i know how you came to that assumption. i also disagree with tna becoming a second rate show. while they may have the some issues with the roster and paying the wrong guys lot of money (pacman), their in ring action is second to none, and very unique, which makes them a nice alternative for those of us that are starting to get tired of the WWE's "creative" directions.

 

[cabowers]

Ok due to harry smiths suspension it's obvious that any plan to use a member of the hart family in the main event is a no-go unless they can rush through a deal with Bret. I can easily see Orton locking in the sharpshooter then Mcmahon ringing the bell to pay homage to the screwjob but i think it'll be a crap ending to what could be a great match.

His comment about it being aptly named could mean that Michaels has to run a gauntlet type of match to get to Orton i.e surviving a series of matches before he gets to him

 

[TheOneBigWill]

now, you may be content with watching the same thing over and over again, but im not. also, assuming i didnt vote for hardy was dumb, as i obviously did, otherwise I wouldnt of had the right to complain. Hardy should've been in the main event cuz that way we might have some new faces in the title picture. but all thats gonna happen now is the title is gonna be bounced around the same old guys: orton, edge, michaels or HHH, until cena finally comes back, wins the damn thing again, and has another long and borring title reign.

Randy Orton, (half way excluded) Edge, Triple H. & Shawn Michaels being in the Main Event doesn't showcase the fact that they're old. It showcases the fact that they've earned their spot, by staying in the business for year upon years. And becoming a huge name within the publics eye.

Regarding John Cena, hey, "I" don't want him in the Main Event carrying that Championship anymore than you do.. that doesn't mean he doesn't have millions of people loving him being there though.. you & I are in agreement over that much. But the difference is, you want "talented guys" to be there.. yet you disrespect the currently talented group of Main Eventers, simply because they're old.. deal with it, they'll retire sooner or later.. & then, if Benjamin & Hardy are still around.. waiting like Edge, Triple H. & Shawn Michaels had to do.. they'll get their run.

all the while the underrated talent like hardy, kennedy, benjamin, and many others are still gonna be stuck in crappy storylines, or chasing the same tag or IC titles they've been chasing for a while now.

Jeff Hardy has been given chances, & he's blown them by his mistakes in the past. (Same could be said with Orton & Edge - as noone knows where Edge will be when he returns) Shelton Benjamin needs a major overhaul before he's ever pushed.. talent is there, but the charisma & willingness to perform like an Edge or H.B.K. isn't.

Finally, you're putting the "horse" before the "wagon" as the old saying goes. Mr. Kennedy WILL become World Champion someday, you simply have to wait for it to happen.

i also disagree with tna becoming a second rate show. while they may have the some issues with the roster and paying the wrong guys lot of money (pacman), their in ring action is second to none, and very unique, which makes them a nice alternative for those of us that are starting to get tired of the WWE's "creative" directions.

For someone who complains about seeing the same old wrestlers, & similar storylines & angles.. you're sure high up on them in a 6 sided ring. Kurt Angle - not exactly young, Kevin Nash - not young, Christian Cage - not young, Sting - see Nash.. are you kidding me? Don't come complaining about W.W.E. being boring, when currently T.N.A. is only following in their footsteps with repeating previously used wrestlers.

I LOVE T.N.A. never misunderstand that.. & yes, they have a huge group of talent.. but when was the last time they used any of their original talent? The Dudleyz are currently destroying their X-Division.. Sting, Angle & Christian are currently topping their Heavyweight Division.. & originals like Styles, Daniels, Abyss & A.M.W. are rarely used for anything anymore.

 

[Agrex]

Their match at Cyber Sunday was a snooze, so I'm not really looking forward to this match. I hope this feud ends here with Orton winning. This match has potential, I said that about their match at Cyber Sunday. Overall there is a chance this match can steal the show all they really to is have a good ending, not a WWE ending. If I had to bet I'd go for Orton. HBK deserves a farewell reign, but not just yet.

 

[vega13mv]

Randy Orton, (half way excluded) Edge, Triple H. & Shawn Michaels being in the Main Event doesn't showcase the fact that they're old. It showcases the fact that they've earned their spot, by staying in the business for year upon years. And becoming a huge name within the publics eye.

Regarding John Cena, hey, "I" don't want him in the Main Event carrying that Championship anymore than you do.. that doesn't mean he doesn't have millions of people loving him being there though.. you & I are in agreement over that much. But the difference is, you want "talented guys" to be there.. yet you disrespect the currently talented group of Main Eventers, simply because they're old.. deal with it, they'll retire sooner or later.. & then, if Benjamin & Hardy are still around.. waiting like Edge, Triple H. & Shawn Michaels had to do.. they'll get their run.



Jeff Hardy has been given chances, & he's blown them by his mistakes in the past. (Same could be said with Orton & Edge - as noone knows where Edge will be when he returns) Shelton Benjamin needs a major overhaul before he's ever pushed.. talent is there, but the charisma & willingness to perform like an Edge or H.B.K. isn't.

Finally, you're putting the "horse" before the "wagon" as the old saying goes. Mr. Kennedy WILL become World Champion someday, you simply have to wait for it to happen.



For someone who complains about seeing the same old wrestlers, & similar storylines & angles.. you're sure high up on them in a 6 sided ring. Kurt Angle - not exactly young, Kevin Nash - not young, Christian Cage - not young, Sting - see Nash.. are you kidding me? Don't come complaining about W.W.E. being boring, when currently T.N.A. is only following in their footsteps with repeating previously used wrestlers.

I LOVE T.N.A. never misunderstand that.. & yes, they have a huge group of talent.. but when was the last time they used any of their original talent? The Dudleyz are currently destroying their X-Division.. Sting, Angle & Christian are currently topping their Heavyweight Division.. & originals like Styles, Daniels, Abyss & A.M.W. are rarely used for anything anymore.

ok, dont get me wrong, i am a fan of michaels and HHH, as well as orton and the rest of the current main eventers. i also dont judge wrestlers by their age, as i think that undertaker is the best in the business today. the thing is i think that hardy's push is way overdue. now his personal issues might have cost him in the past, but i dont see why that should take away from the fact that he's got great in-ring talent, as well as a huge fanbase. i also dont think that benjamin need as much as an overhaul as most people think. he just needs a decent push and the right gimmick for him. he's got the ability to deliver in big match situations. as far as TNA goes, i agree that their main eventers have been in the spotlight for a while now, but the effort to bring up the other guys is there. their fight for the right tournament included many guys that have not gotten a title shot in a while. and given that the current x divison angle may not be favorable, it does show that TNA managemnt is at least rying to rectify the problem by giving all of them some tv time. i have faith in TNA because they are aware of problems and while they dont always propose the best solutions, their effort is noticeable. the WWE doesnt seem to have this quality, as cena's regin was way too long, and now the Y2J thing, they're dissapointing many fans and to me it seems like they dont care. the ''save_us'' promos where by no means a mystery, and yet their depriving the fans of a huge star just because they're mad that people found out about it before they were supposed to. i see this as a selfish act by WWE management, as it feels like they want to debut him on their terms, and could care less what the fans want.

 

[Mike1517r]

Well now that HBK cant use Sweet Chin Music and Orton cant get DQ'd, it really only leaves the option of the sharpshooter/screwjob. I find it hard to believe Orton will win fair and square, but it would not do much for Orton's character if he was to lose when his opponent isn't allowed to use his finisher. The screwjob seems like the obvious decision.

 

[valon10]

Wow, Bret Hart and Vince McMahon Screw job all over again!This match will disappoint many fans because it's the opposite of what the fans want to see.I can't see how WWE is going to make this a good match at all!

 

[ronalddeo]

I believe it too. HBK doesnt have any other finisher apart from the scm. To me 2 likely sanrios may happen:

A run in by Vince to tease he is going to screw hbk and in the end screws orton instead forms a alliance thus making hbk turm heel

Since we cant have 2 heels in one match and its not likely wwe is going to make orton turn into a babyface. I believe vince will indeed screw hbk just like he screwed bret in 97.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Terrible stipulation. Why can't they just have a normal match. Have Orton go over. He is the champion after all. It'll just screw up the finish to the match. I'm sure they could have Orton work over HBK leg so that he can't upse the Sweet Chin Music. Stupid.

And I don't think for a second that anything is going to happen on the 10th anniversary of the Screw Job. That's my prediction anyway.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

They keep destroying Main Events the only way they know how. Adding stupid crap to them.

So, Randy Orton can lose if he "attempts" to get Disqualified. (what about counted out?) And to "even" (like its even) the odds, H.B.K. can't use his finisher. You know.. the true way to "even" this, would've been to make it an anything goes match, so Orton couldn't get DQ'ed.. & have both their finishers banned.. oh, wait.. THATS STUPID!

I can completely see H.B.K., the Sharpshooter, & Mr. McMahon calling for the bell.. either that, or Orton locking the Sharpshooter in on H.B.K., which is even more absurd. What about a possible H.B.K. - R.K.O. on Orton, for the "quick" pinfall? It isn't "original" but its slightly modified from the 97 version.

Either way, I still think it'd be stupid.. & I'm sure everyone is over assuming on this "screw job" angle.. but W.W.E. can't write shit worth anything lately.. so I wouldn't put it passed them, to return to the past, to try & recreate magic.

 

[Dark Blaze]

WWE is really doing some stupid things nowadays..why couldn't they just add the NO DQ-or he loses the title- stipulation to Randy(w/out that SCM crap) or just make the match No Disqualifications?

The way it is now can only work in 3 ways I see it: If they have a screwjob in Randy's favor and give Randy some major heat...HBK winning...and causing Randy to lose credibility(Someone beating him without even using their finisher)..something he's been losing alot in this feud...he hasn't gotten the one up on Shawn Michaels YET...after being booked so strongly against Cena, it's like he's being punished for something(Wouldn't be surprised...if so Randy..why can't you behave?)

OR Shawn Michaels turning heel and joining team with Vince...which would require a face turn by Randy if the feud is to continue.

Either way, I so don't like this feud..I don't feel this should have been Randy's first feud as Champ...he hasn't solidified his status...just looks like a weakling...just like being fed to HHH, his first month as World Champion...seems like Randy Orton is never booked properly as a champ.

 

[Reaper]

you know I belive I am most likely in the minority here, but I liked Orton as a face/tweener when he 1st left Evelution. Orton and Edge have that rare ability to just flip a switch and turn boos to cheers. With that being said, he has been playing the top heel for sometime now so would it work i don't know. What I do know is the fact that if HBK goes Heel it would be kewl with me. I think a probable outcome of the match is for HBK to use the sharpshooter as a way of sticking it to Vince. by winning the title legitimately with the Sharpshooter.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

you know I belive I am most likely in the minority here, but I liked Orton as a face/tweener when he 1st left Evelution. Orton and Edge have that rare ability to just flip a switch and turn boos to cheers.

Regarding this matter, I too, liked Randy Orton as a face.. but the man in real life is too cocky & arrogant, that he simply can't hold the crowd in his hands, without half of them booing. (Similar to Cena, except the cheers out-number the boos, by children)

In my personal opinion, I see 4 possible outcomes to this match.

1. Shawn Michaels wins the Championship & after the match, uses Sweet Chin Music, only to have Vince McMahon strip him of the Championship.. giving it back to Randy Orton.

2. Shawn Michaels wins via the Sharpshooter, with Mr. McMahon helping H.B.K.. turning H.B.K. heel, & Randy Orton (taking the Mick Foley role) turning face.

3. Randy Orton wins, after a back & forth match in which H.B.K. wants to use the Superkick, but can't. No Surprise, No Screw job, no nothing. OR Orton wins via using Sweet Chin Music on H.B.K. - allowing the screw job to somehow pass over to him, except through the eyes of Canada.. who'll forever, NEVER, stop hating H.B.K. lol

4. H.B.K. wins via the R.K.O. & a fast count, screwing Orton outta the Championship.. to set up a 3rd p.p.v. meeting between the two, in which Orton could likely win the Championship right back. (dumbest of all the ideas, yes, but its W.W.E. - so the dumbest idea, by default, would be the likeliest to be it)

 

[a7xoff]

As much as I'd rather not see anything of the sort. I can't help but think that something regarding the screw job will occur. However I'm still saying that RKO is going to walk out of Survivor Series as the champ. With HBK as champ, who would he have to really feud with besides RKO... Umaga? or a heel HHH. The faces majorly outweigh the Heels on Raw and that's one reason RKO should remain champ in this situation I do believe.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

The faces majorly outweigh the Heels on Raw and that's one reason RKO should remain champ in this situation I do believe.

Thats also why I fully & strongly believe an H.B.K. or H.H.H. heel turn is coming. And to be honest, I think H.B.K. would make a better heel right now. I loved the promos H.B.K. has cut as a heel. (think of the Hogan promos he cut) I truly think he'd (H.B.K.) carry the Championship into Wrestlemania, which will be the last true run, for him, as Champion.

Randy Orton shouldn't carry the belt into Wrestlemania, because Orton doesn't have the Main Event status needed to carry a WM Main Event. And normally, whomever is to carry the Championship into Mania, gets it at Survivor Series, or the Royal Rumble. Now is the best chance for Michaels to turn heel, as well as winning the Championship.

 

[Gus]

I think that HBK will turn heel, and possibly feud with Orton until Jericho decides to return, and feud with him into Wrestlemania, unless they have a MAJOR, and I mean MAJOR push planned for Kennedy or Jeff Hardy, i felt that The Hardy desire thing could be the start of something... at least thats what my opinion is... for what its worth...

 

[a7xoff]

Thats also why I fully & strongly believe an H.B.K. or H.H.H. heel turn is coming. And to be honest, I think H.B.K. would make a better heel right now. I loved the promos H.B.K. has cut as a heel. (think of the Hogan promos he cut) I truly think he'd (H.B.K.) carry the Championship into Wrestlemania, which will be the last true run, for him, as Champion.

Randy Orton shouldn't carry the belt into Wrestlemania, because Orton doesn't have the Main Event status needed to carry a WM Main Event. And normally, whomever is to carry the Championship into Mania, gets it at Survivor Series, or the Royal Rumble. Now is the best chance for Michaels to turn heel, as well as winning the Championship.

How could anyone forget HBK's promos against Hogan. They were probably the funniest I've ever seen. I agree also with you that Orton is not ready to headline WM. However there are still a couple on PPV's left on the plate before WM. That;s why I see Orton retaining it at Survivor Series. Giving the belt to HBK and have him turn heel would bring about what? Another HHH/HBK feud? Personally I like the two of them as a team better and WWE needs to have at least one young guy in the main event IMO. I wouldn't mind seeing HBK win this match like I said, but I just don't see it happening, and if it does it probably won't be for long...

 

[hbk&triple h]

Will actually has a great idea. I'm not only thinking but wanting a huge heel turn for a big superdstar right now.It would definitely be something interesting for right now.

Shawn should turn heel at Survivor Series and win the title.Orton just doesn't have that factor, that "it" factor to headline Wrestlemania.

Him holding the title until then and losing the title then to someone deserving would truly give him one last good, true title run.

The match with the added stipulation is causing a lot of different scenarios. I'm really going for a Shawn heel turn and him to win with the Sharpshooter. It would be a real shock and would definitely solidify him as a main heel.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Well this is going to be an interesting match.

Shawn is probably one of the most talented guys on the roster. Orton; I have mixed views about. At times it seems he can wrestle, others, not so much.

But the stipulations are interesting enough. There's only been one time Shawn has one the title without using Sweet Chin Music. 10 years ago. Against Bret Hart. He used the Sharpshooter. And we all know what happened.
Randy Orton not being able to get disqualified and keep the belt. Well that changes his plans.
Tbh, I think Shawn can do it. I think one last title reign before he retires, we all know he deserves it.

And, he has put plenty of young guys over in the past, many who haven't been half as talented as him. John Cena, who I can't usually talk about without getting annoyed, is no where near the wrestler Shawn is. Doubt he ever will be.
He makes the WWE money. The only reason he was champion for so long. Which is the WWE's only major fault' only pushing the guys who will make them money.
Anyways that was slightly off topic, but true.

 

[LgKQc]

Randy Orton will NOT lose the title. here's the reason: What credibility would orton get if he loses the title? we are talking about the guy who put out lots of superstar, "injured" cena, took out the game in a LMS! if Orton loses, not only will he look weak, but ALL the others who have fallen to the LegendKiller, will also look bad! i dont think the BEST Heel of the company at the moment will drop the belt after been dominating his opponents from the past 5 months, but being booked really bad for the last 5 weeks! And last thing... i dont understand why all of you people saying that HBK deserves the title?? hes been out for 4 months, but suddenly comes back and deserves a run? after all the other superstar who were busting their asses for nothing!? Orton deserves that title run! and he deserves to be book well! after he beats Shawn Michaels, he'll look even more powerful. IMO, they are just building orton weak to make him look even more stronger at the end!

 

[HBK#1fan]

Remember no mercy? HHH won without pedigree. You see guys all the time getting a roll-up victory. Shawn will win!

 

[Vince11]

I don't know whos more of a piece of shit person, Orton or Michaels. Michaels is washed up, done, arrogant and only gets the main events because of his past. Sure, 10 years ago he could put on a main event. Now? No. Orton vs Kennedy vs Hardy for the title would be a much more entertaining match I believe.


2 possibilities for this match


A) Shawn wins with a kick. Not a superkick, but a payback punt to the head to knock Orton cold for the 3 count.

B)Orton locks HBK in a submission hold, the bell is called for. The end. 40 dollars wasted.

 

[RandyKO]

I want Randy to have a clean win over HBK. RKO and then pin.. 1,2,3!
I hate Shawn Michaels, he was a main eventer 20 years ago. He cannot come back and just because he has kicked Randy 4 weeks in a row (the most stupidest thing ever, it is making Orton look like a complete and utter pussy), he cannot become the champion a month after being back.
Randy has been wanting the WWE Championship ever since I can remember, they have build him up great over this past couple months but as soon as the heartbreak kid comes back, they make him look shit. Why is he even called the heartbreak kid he is like 40 years old.
Vince is living in the past and anyone who wants HBK to win cause he's a legend is living in the past too. Move on!

 

[RuKDaD]

Shawn Michaels is not going to win this match. Randy Orton is on the level of John Cena as the future of the WWE. Orton waited his turn to get the belt and until Cena comes back I don't see a new champ. They will not have Orton drop the belt this quickly. Look for him to hold the strap until at least the Royal Rumble. Possibly to Triple H.