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Speculation Regarding the Death of Chris Benoit
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I agree with you 100%. And Im not stupid. I still belive it was Benoit. I just dont want any rock unturned and to think it is silly to think that it couldn't of been something else and clear up Benoit's name then its sad day to just not care.
I've gotta disagree about McMahon Shocky. Why shouldn't he call the man a monster? It doesn't matter if Benoit was insane, if he accidently killed his wife during sex and then 'mercy killed' his son, it doesn't matter what motive or reason there was that Benoit did it, not out of love or any other reason that changes what happened, and only a monster could do something like that. If you have thoughts like that, ever, you need help. Immediately. Benoit didn't get it. But it still doesn't change the fact that he strangled his wife and then suffocated his 7 year old ******ed son with a plastic bag before hanging himself. If this was anyone other then Benoit, everyone would agree immediately that the man was a sicko and get over it, but because we all held Benoit to such a high pedestal our mind's can't help but think of conspiracy theories to try and get over the fact that someone we respected and revered so much turned out to betray every one of us and himself. It's a tragedy, something you'd expect in a movie, not in real life. But unfortunately, things like these happen to all kinds of people, statistically a wrestler was going to do something like this sooner or later, I mean there are literally millions of wrestlers on this planet, and who's to say some of those people aren't sick and twisted, just as some everyday people are sick and twisted. It's hard to accept, but denial is one of the first stages of grief and mourning. I wish like hell that one of these theories is true, but from all evidence so far it's just not. There needs to be atleast a shred of evidence to you're theory, and not just coincidences or strangehoods.
I'll still always revere Benoit for what he did in that ring. As a person, I have nothing to say about him, who am I to judge him? I never knew the man. All I know is he did something terrible, monstrous. And unfortunately, that's what he'll be remembered for. It's a damn tragedy.
I think the Sullivan thing is a stretch, but I'll keep my mind open to Kevin Sullivan probably. The rough sex thing was a joke though, I hope people don't take that seriously.
It's not uncommon though for people to "mercy" kill a handicap child though. It happens everywhere in every culture, since the beginning of time. We as westerners, may not agree with it, or understand it, hell I don't. None of us will ever know what the hell was going through Benoits head at that time. Like I said, I don't know if it was a mercy kill, a sick twisted murderer, or simply a guy that just snapped. A lot is going to come from the toxicology report, but unfortunately we are going to have to wait a month on that.
It's not uncommon though for people to "mercy" kill a handicap child though. It happens everywhere in every culture, since the beginning of time. We as westerners, may not agree with it, or understand it, hell I don't. None of us will ever know what the hell was going through Benoits head at that time. Like I said, I don't know if it was a mercy kill, a sick twisted murderer, or simply a guy that just snapped. A lot is going to come from the toxicology report, but unfortunately we are going to have to wait a month on that.
Origin of Sullivan Did it Thread
Honestly though, it's a stretch. People, like myself, are still in disbelief of the whole damn situation. Many people are still making up scenarios in their head that make sense, anything that keeps Benoit out of it.
I'm personally glad that a lot of the wrestlers are staying silent right now. I'm sure they know they're going to say something that they will later regret, ala Jillian Hall running her mouth.
Honestly though, it's a stretch. People, like myself, are still in disbelief of the whole damn situation. Many people are still making up scenarios in their head that make sense, anything that keeps Benoit out of it.
I'm personally glad that a lot of the wrestlers are staying silent right now. I'm sure they know they're going to say something that they will later regret, ala Jillian Hall running her mouth.
Shen_The_Immortal
Dark Match Jobber
I doubt Kevin Sullivan did it. He may have been a satanist, big deal. The church and other people always make satanists out to be evil monsters but really, it's not true at all. I know several satanists and they are actually pretty nice people.
I have been filled with mixed emotions about this tragedy, as I am sure everyone on this board has been. I have watched Benoit wrestle since I was a kid, and his matches were terrific. There is absolutely no doubt that he was an excellent wrestler, who had mastered many complex moves and holds. Even Kurt Angle in his book said that Benoit was impressive.
However, all that being said, what occurred last weekend was, and I know this will upset some, an act of cowardice. We have heard the rumors of steroid rage, and how Benoit's poor little boy was suffering from a horrible genetic disorder. We can all relate to how family problems and decisions can be, quite frankly, a bitch. We've all dealt with it through the years, and you have to try and fix all the problems that arise. But, to give up, to say that you will not try your hardest to fix the problems in your life, and to end the life of a helpless woman and child, with your bare hands, is a horrible act, that in my opinion puts you up there with the worst of serial killers.
We have to separate the great athlete and ring technician, from the cowardly, cold blooded killer who walked among the helpless last weekend. There is no excuse for what Benoit did. In another thread, which asks if Benoit should be in the hall of fame, is quite frankly trivial. I have always tried to respect the mods of this board, who I feel are top notch, and I hope referring to another thread doesn't get me in trouble, but Benoit should NOT be in the hall of fame. Again, this has absolutely, positively, NOTHING to do with his wrestling skill. It has to do with him as a human being. He was, obviously, a tortured soul who had many hardships in his life. Yet, he still took, IMHO, the coward's way out, and killed two helpless souls in the process. He tainted his own legacy, and that of the wrestling business, and therefore has forfeited any right to be remembered as anything but a killer.
This is all just my opinion. I could be wrong, and probably am. I didn't know Benoit personally, and didn't know what he was going through. Maybe I would have cracked, too. But, I sincerely hope I would have been strong enough to not harm a child, or a woman. If I did not have that strength, then I would have to take whatever eternal punishment that was dealt out to me. Benoit will have to take his punishment. Maybe he can set things right with his wife and son in the afterlife. But, who among us can say? Right now, all I can say is that I hope all three souls find peace, somehow, somewhere.
However, all that being said, what occurred last weekend was, and I know this will upset some, an act of cowardice. We have heard the rumors of steroid rage, and how Benoit's poor little boy was suffering from a horrible genetic disorder. We can all relate to how family problems and decisions can be, quite frankly, a bitch. We've all dealt with it through the years, and you have to try and fix all the problems that arise. But, to give up, to say that you will not try your hardest to fix the problems in your life, and to end the life of a helpless woman and child, with your bare hands, is a horrible act, that in my opinion puts you up there with the worst of serial killers.
We have to separate the great athlete and ring technician, from the cowardly, cold blooded killer who walked among the helpless last weekend. There is no excuse for what Benoit did. In another thread, which asks if Benoit should be in the hall of fame, is quite frankly trivial. I have always tried to respect the mods of this board, who I feel are top notch, and I hope referring to another thread doesn't get me in trouble, but Benoit should NOT be in the hall of fame. Again, this has absolutely, positively, NOTHING to do with his wrestling skill. It has to do with him as a human being. He was, obviously, a tortured soul who had many hardships in his life. Yet, he still took, IMHO, the coward's way out, and killed two helpless souls in the process. He tainted his own legacy, and that of the wrestling business, and therefore has forfeited any right to be remembered as anything but a killer.
This is all just my opinion. I could be wrong, and probably am. I didn't know Benoit personally, and didn't know what he was going through. Maybe I would have cracked, too. But, I sincerely hope I would have been strong enough to not harm a child, or a woman. If I did not have that strength, then I would have to take whatever eternal punishment that was dealt out to me. Benoit will have to take his punishment. Maybe he can set things right with his wife and son in the afterlife. But, who among us can say? Right now, all I can say is that I hope all three souls find peace, somehow, somewhere.
This is strange to me i guess. I'm thinking the DEA thinks that the Doc either knows something more, or he was hiding drugs for Benoit. They are raiding it again, and two other locations??? Something big might be coming up.
I'm not saying something like, it wasn't Benoit, but maybe a very bad blacklist with more names on it that could really do some damage.
You might want to look more into their belief system until you judge them "pretty nice people" by the interactions you've had with them. M'kay, /end religion-talk from me.
Again making allowances for this being a speculation thread and that Shockmaster already clarified that his quoting the Satanists Did It theory isn't his stamp of approval on it, I've got to point out that Johnny Lee Clary is a questionable source of logic and reason. Remember, kids, the Dems like Al-Quaeda... and Satan, too!
Now that I've managed to bring both religion AND politics into this, I'll shut my pie-hole.
It depends on what kind of Satanist you're referring to. There are the immature, idiotic, metal head satanist losers like the man who runs the Satanic Church, and then there is a large group of Wican type Satanists who do not harm anyone or try to ever, and mainly focus on decadence and rituals, not sacrificing. Satanists do have a really bad name because of common Christian identification as Satan as evil, when in reality Satanism has almost nothing to do with evil spirits. Satanism at its core is the belief that both Jesus Christ and Lucifer were the sons of God, and that both evil and good must be taken with a grain of salt and prayed too, in a perfect balance. It's actually more in step with early Pagan religions then the crazy Manson cult idea people always get when they hear that word.
I know this is way off topic, but I just had to quote this. The Wiccan faith in itself has absolutely nothing to do with Satanists. The Wiccan Beliefs to not revolve around the good and the bad side of Christianity (which is what Satanism is). But your point is correct though, just like in any religion there are some more fanatical than others.
To get back on topic, kinda, as we all know, the WWE got rid of next to every peice of Benoit they had on the website. I was just looking at the newest addition of the Power 25, and of course Benoit wasn't on it, nor was he mentipon under the "fairwell" section. What I found interesting, however, was when I decided to look at last weeks Power 25, Not only was benoit not there, but the #7 was empty. No one had #7 that week. When I looked at the week before, Benoit was still there, as of the weeks before that. They also still have the Benoit Guerrero pics froim WMXX under the Eddie Guerrero photos. Just though I'd pass some of this along....
This case does have some holes in it, such as why the text messages to Chavo and WWE management, if he wanted people to find the bodies wouldn't he have called 911 instead of calling work. As for the whole Kevin Sullivan theory, stranger things have happened however I doubt it, Satanist or not. As for this sudden Chavo theory I find it hard to believe as well. Also if you just murdered your family or were just about to, why go to the doctor's office and have someone take a picture of you while your there? Somethings just don't make sense in this unfortunate and tragic case.
realblackhart
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I cant stand here and believe in any of the speculations everyone has been saying on tv from all the media to all the investigators covering this case. i think it especially comes from people who know diddly squat about wrestling and don't understand what goes on in wresling. Wrestlers are away from their home 50 out of 52 weeks a year, noone canreally understand what goes on in their heads or in their families' heads. Noone lives with Nanvy, Daniel, or Chris to know what is going on. Thank you for people like Jericho which you can find on youtube on the nancy grace show to be a little bit more clearer on who Benoit was since people like Vince and Linda are no longer taling about Chris on a positive level, and wrestlers in the WWE now have a muzzle. Shame on Vinve and the WWE for removing mentions of Benoit and not giving Chris the memory he deserves as the great wrestler and athlete he was. Chris was a role model in the wrestling world to up and commers in the business. Kudos to TNA for respecting and mentioning Chris on their website but shame on TNA for them removing those mentions of Chris on their site. i disagree with removing all mention of Benoit on their websites or shows. These wrestlers were on the road with Chris and have fond memories of Chris and it would be wrong to do this to those people who loved and knew Chris. I think there is more to this horrific tragedy then meets the eye. There has to be more out there. So what if Woman had filed for divorce, or if Daniel is sick; does this mean that this is why he killed them, COME ON! What about the steriod crap, ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Wrestlers have this labeled and steriotyped stigma, that just because they are wrestlers they are using steriods. Maybe Chris did use steroids earlier in his career, but what if he quit. Oh and how about the fact that Benoit was being demoted. People need to get their stories straight. Benoit was going to win the ECW World Heavyweight Title. Now Nitro has it, that is a biiiiiiig diference but that is a different story. There are many people covering this story and more than half of them know NOTHING about professional wrestlers and wrestling; they still call it the WWF, and have no recognition of any other wrestling company out there. Investigators haven't looked outside of Benoit's home, excluding his doctor. From the very beginning they pointed their fingers on Benoit w/o considering anything else, and when you dont look fo anything extra evidence out here you are not going to find it. The text mesages, and just everything doesn't add up, for a mild mannered man like Benoit to do something like this just doesn't make sense. Of course you never know anybody perfectly, but at the same time the assumption was made before the investigaion began. Watching Nancy Grace, there are rumors and speculations that Benoit was murdered, and taxology reports will determine if thats true. Vince has removed every mention of Benoit, and I think that's stupid. I don't believe he made these hienas crimes, if he did he wasn't alone, but murderer or not Chris Benoit was and still is one of the best technically sound wrestlers that the sport of professional wrestling has ever produced. He trained in arguably the best wrestling school in the world and had the best trainer as well. Very few come to mind in Benoit's league. I hated WCW as a kid but I alsways watched Benoit, Jericho, Malenko, Mysterio, and Eddie in the ring, heel or face it didn't matter, they were great. I would always take time to watch them and only them on Monday Nitro. As a person I obviously don't like what he did IF he did it, but as an entertainer and a wrestler I could never get enough of watching Chris in the ring. My 2 favorite wrestlers are know gone. I will never forget Owen or Chris. R.I.P.
It appears that WWE will be removing anything having to do with Chris Benoit at all on its WWE 24/7 on-demand network(which I have). Me and about 3000 other pissed off wrestling fans have already sent a hundred or so letters to WWE demanding they air the Benoit matches, because if you're going to pretend as though Benoit never existed, that pretty much fouls up our hopes of 24/7 airing anything from ECW 93-95, WCW 95-2000, and WWE 2000-2007. That's like....everything. Ever. Theres no real official ruling or anything yet, but they had Superbrawl 3, and Wrestlemania 23 up to watch on the network, now they've removed them and both contain Benoit matches. If they do this, I can't even explain how pissed I will be. WWE is actling like fuckin' Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany, rewriting history however they feel to pretend as though the greatest wrestler of all time arguably didn't even exist. Look, I understand the need to seperate yourself from Benoit after whats happened, but the only people buying WWE 24/7 are the die-hard smarks who don't care about what Benoit did(thats not to say we condone it). I tell ya, if WWE is really going to pretend like Benoit never existed on its 24/7 channel, me and about 3000 other pissed off smarks are going to stop buying it, and that'll probably completely destroy their 24/7 network.
I hope you do it X, because if I had 24/7, I would be pissed off as well. This is the excessive knee jerk reaction I knew was going to come. This is what pisses me off about the WWE. They are looking to absolutely erase Chris Benoit from history, much like Bruno, Savage or Warrior, hell even Brock to some extent. They are going to erase 20 years of hard work for a mistake a guy made, it is total bullshit.
I would be very interested to hear more about Daniel's supposed medical condition. Personally I never heard of "Fragile X" before this tragedy. I would like to hear from any doctors, teachers, day care workers, babysitters, family members or friends who knew Daniel to get their two cents worth on the matter.
Interesting that Nancy's parents have stated that they spent a lot of time with Daniel and were unaware of any health problems of this nature with him. Several wrestlers have also stated that they used to see Daniel with his dad from time to time and really didn't notice much awry with him. A few, like Jericho, have reflected in hindsight that the child may have had a medical problem but that he really didn't notice much about it previously.
If you listen to the mainstream media, they portray Benoit as a man who was depressed and must have had mental illness of some sort, albeit undiagnosed. He, according to Nancy Grace and others, must have been juiced up on steroids, and was frustrated and having marital difficulties "due to the stresses of raising a ******ed son."
Yet nothing has been confirmed about the drug situation, pending the toxicology reports. Even if he was on steroids, I'm not a big believer in the "roid rage" theory as the tragedy occurred over a 2-3 day period, hardly a spontaneous act of rage.
No one appeared to know anything of any mental problem, personality disorder, depression, etc., regarding Chris Benoit, that's all purely speculative as far as I know.
So I would be interested to know about Daniel. It's one thing if he didn't have Fragile X at all. Or if he had a mild version of it. The experts say a mild form of Fragile X can manifest itself by a slight learning disability, with some odd behaviours, as opposed to a severe version of it. If Daniel was on the milder end of the scale, I don't see this being such a stressor on Benoit or his marriage. If he was on the extreme end, much like a child with a bad form of autism, this would be much more stressful and could explain much more. Yet, it doesn't sound like that's the case.
It's just peculiar, that's all I'm saying. If their was no significant mental disorder regarding Benoit, if he wasn't on drugs or if the "roid rage" argument has been blown out of proportion, and if Daniel wasn't as unwell as being reported, how then do you explain away this senseless tragedy?
Pause for thought, that's all I'm saying. I'm not suggesting he didn't do it, it just leaves me wondering why even more so.
Interesting that Nancy's parents have stated that they spent a lot of time with Daniel and were unaware of any health problems of this nature with him. Several wrestlers have also stated that they used to see Daniel with his dad from time to time and really didn't notice much awry with him. A few, like Jericho, have reflected in hindsight that the child may have had a medical problem but that he really didn't notice much about it previously.
If you listen to the mainstream media, they portray Benoit as a man who was depressed and must have had mental illness of some sort, albeit undiagnosed. He, according to Nancy Grace and others, must have been juiced up on steroids, and was frustrated and having marital difficulties "due to the stresses of raising a ******ed son."
Yet nothing has been confirmed about the drug situation, pending the toxicology reports. Even if he was on steroids, I'm not a big believer in the "roid rage" theory as the tragedy occurred over a 2-3 day period, hardly a spontaneous act of rage.
No one appeared to know anything of any mental problem, personality disorder, depression, etc., regarding Chris Benoit, that's all purely speculative as far as I know.
So I would be interested to know about Daniel. It's one thing if he didn't have Fragile X at all. Or if he had a mild version of it. The experts say a mild form of Fragile X can manifest itself by a slight learning disability, with some odd behaviours, as opposed to a severe version of it. If Daniel was on the milder end of the scale, I don't see this being such a stressor on Benoit or his marriage. If he was on the extreme end, much like a child with a bad form of autism, this would be much more stressful and could explain much more. Yet, it doesn't sound like that's the case.
It's just peculiar, that's all I'm saying. If their was no significant mental disorder regarding Benoit, if he wasn't on drugs or if the "roid rage" argument has been blown out of proportion, and if Daniel wasn't as unwell as being reported, how then do you explain away this senseless tragedy?
Pause for thought, that's all I'm saying. I'm not suggesting he didn't do it, it just leaves me wondering why even more so.
So who did it today.Who name are the Benoit fans goes to say did it today.This thread is a place to make up people you did it.Benoit is a murdered.With no guts.He killed his wife and his son.I am glad the WWE will not show his matches.He is loser that couldn't have done anything worst then this.I am sick of people on this thread giving him a free pass.If he killed someone in your family would it still be ok.He was a actor on TV.You people didn't know the real Benoit.The people that knew him thinks he did it.So why are the people that didn't know him.Still defending him.He did it.No one else did it.He was not the person you watched on TV every week.He was a wreslter that killed his own family.Deal with it.Quit acting like he didn't do anything.He is the low form of a human there is.He killed his own son.That is what happened.
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