Should Randy Orton Retire?

[newteenforbb]

*Note- This is a serious thread. I am not trolling or spamming. This isn't an attempt to just bash Randy Orton. And it isn't a thread created to cause problems. I am only giving an opinion and seeing where others stand.

I think for the sake of both the WWE and his own career (which includes his legacy), Randy Orton should walk away from professional wrestling for good. I say this after giving it a whole lot of thought.

The man is 32 and while that should give him a good decade left to go, he already seems to be "over" it. He looks to be phoning it in and appears to be done with the business. His matches have become almost impossible to watch without causing a need to go to sleep (for the viewer). Obviously, his mic work will never improve. He is no longer able to carry feuds or even remotely engage in one that involves any spirit or emotion.

In terms of the physical, he has way too many injuries and concussions and that should come into play as well. He also no longer looks like a wrestler. In other words, it looks as though he is letting himself go and couldn't care less. And I believe the WWE higher ups are taking notice.

They no longer feel the need to place him in big feuds, and they consistently book him to lose (cleanly at that- no protection like they do when they want someone to lose but come out looking strong).

With all of that said, do you guys agree that it is time that he says goodbye for good?

 

[KoC417]

I think it's time you retire from making threads.

Why should Orton retire? He's "phoning in" his matches? Yeah because tonights match with Kane at WM was horrible right? Good lord he is no longer able to carry feuds? So I guess his feud with Christian was useless? I guess because WWE WANTED TO INCLUDE HIM IN WRESTLEMANIA they have NO hope for him what so ever right? News flash genius: If a mega company throws something together for you to go into Mania with YOU are doing just fine.

If Orton's matches have become almost impossible to watch then dude Cena must be dead in your eyes.

How does he no longer look like a "wrestler"? The Funk man looks like a wrestler, Big Show looks like a wrestler, Sheamus looks like a wrestler, Rey Mysterio looks like a wrestler. Didn't know wrestlers had to look a certain way.

This IS clearly a bashing Orton thread.

Orton= Still going strong
You= Future Endeavored.

 

[baldjedi]

I expected Kane to win tonight. Orton can rebound from this and get back in the title picture again. If Kane lost his momentum would have been gone and his return a waste. I wouldn't be surprised if Kane feuds with Sheamus soon. After Summerslam I can see Orton feuding for the title. Let's say Kane wins the title at Summerslam and they bring back this feud for the title. Orton wins and boom all is well. Just a thought.

 

[James]

Why just because Kane won? I swear wrestling fans get worse and worse with each match. First you cry that Orton wins too much, but since he loses you think that he should hang the boots up?


I am gonna make a threading asking should Cena retire now.


Thank you : v )

 

[Tully]

I think it's time you retire from making threads.

Why should Orton retire? He's "phoning in" his matches? Yeah because tonights match with Kane at WM was horrible right? Good lord he is no longer able to carry feuds? So I guess his feud with Christian was useless? I guess because WWE WANTED TO INCLUDE HIM IN WRESTLEMANIA they have NO hope for him what so ever right? News flash genius: If a mega company throws something together for you to go into Mania with YOU are doing just fine.

If Orton's matches have become almost impossible to watch then dude Cena must be dead in your eyes.

How does he no longer look like a "wrestler"? The Funk man looks like a wrestler, Big Show looks like a wrestler, Sheamus looks like a wrestler, Rey Mysterio looks like a wrestler. Didn't know wrestlers had to look a certain way.

This IS clearly a bashing Orton thread.

Orton= Still going strong
You= Future Endeavored.

Yeah x2. WWE needs Orton now more than ever. There ain't a whole lotta talent on the roster right now as it is. Orton's a pro, like him or not. He's an asset with another decade in him.

 

[Rampage Bentley]

I actually agree with the OP... not for the same reasons though.

I think Orton is still doing an okay job, he puts out decent matches and is still a draw, but what else is there for him to do? He's a 9 time World Champion, he's a Royal Rumble winner, and he's a notch on Undertaker's streak. What else is left for Randy Orton to accomplish?

Steve Austin and Rock both had 6 years at the top, Bret Hart had 5, and Hulk Hogan had 8 (starting in 85 when Wrestling started to matter) Orton has been at the top just as long as Hogan... I think it's time he goes part time and let someone else have his spot.

 

[Killercam]

Yeah I think he could use about 2 years away. He can definitely still be a major player 10 years from now but like all the other greats had a little time off would help. Plus I see him as a guy who will be a face his last 5 years or so just because he's too respected to get heel heat. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him retire hhh for good at WM 35. It couldn't be worse than their match at 25.

 

[DxArmy]

Like KoC417 said you should retire from making threads. Orton can come back from this and he will. I think a move back to Raw would do him good as he has nothing to do on Smackdown it just isnt 'his show' like it was for the undertaker or edge. If he does move back to Raw a heel turn would be a good way to go. I know the IWC is obsessed with heel turns but this would do good for Orton as he could become the top heel in the company again and perhaps get into a feud with Punk once CM Punk's feud with Y2J is over.

 

[enviousdominous]

If you asked me this question during his superman push I'd have said "He should retire so whatever deity shat him into the world doesn't suck him back in".

Lately he's been very humble. I'm actually very shocked at how humble he's been. I never expected Mark Henry to pin him cleanly and I never expected Kane to pin him cleanly.

I respect performers who can win and lose while making a match interesting, it's called getting your moneys worth. I still have a hard time pretending to be interested in a Randy Orton match, but it's getting easier when I know that he won't pull some superman bullshit and magically win after selling like weekend at bernie's.

I don't like his mannerisms, I don't like his moveset and I absolutely hate his promos. But, his matches are slightly more interesting now. I would be disappointed if he were to retire now.

 

[newteenforbb]

As a response to those claiming this thread is a direct influence of the match result at Mania tonight- no. This has been something I have thought for quite a while and the reasons I listed go above and beyond a single match tonight on PPV.

And it is cool to see the majority on here agree with me thus far. Perhaps Vince and co. will see it the same way.

 

[WJDwjdWJDwjd]

Nah. Orton is just not as entertaining as a face than he is as a heel. He has the heel look. He looks like a psychotic asshole who would talk shit but be able to back it up. He's just not as diabolical as he used to be and is getting it stuck to him in every feud he's been in as of late. Time off and a character change might do great things for Randy. But should he retire? Noooooo.

 

[briancostello]

I don't think Orton should retire...I don't see what everyone likes about him though. All the cena bashers say he uses the same 5 moves...watch an orton match and tell me how creative he is. I can hardly stand to watch an orton match anymore. The wrestlemania match was not entertaining at all. Awful skills on the stick as a face...he would serve the wwe better as a heel. He should not retire though...that I disagree with.

 

[aallen11]

Orton shouldn't retire. He literally has an entire brand on his back. He's Top 5 when it comes to popularity. As for your reasons why he should retire... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9kpTvm6CYA

 

[newteenforbb]

I don't think Orton should retire...I don't see what everyone likes about him though. All the cena bashers say he uses the same 5 moves...watch an orton match and tell me how creative he is. I can hardly stand to watch an orton match anymore. The wrestlemania match was not entertaining at all. Awful skills on the stick as a face...he would serve the wwe better as a heel. He should not retire though...that I disagree with.

Bolded the point you made because it is so ON point. For every person who likes to say Cena doesn't have skills, go compare those skills to Orton's.

Cena>>>Orton in the wrestling ring. He can move better, has better offense, sells better, tells the psychology of a match better. Absolutely.

 

[danvandam]

You had 3 huge feuds going into Wrestlemania. Out of those feud, Rock, HHH, Undertaker and maybe even Jericho will be moving on to other things. Their was just no room for Orton to be a major focal point at this moment. After tonight open things up for Orton again. He had a spot at WM (and not just a "lets get as many people as we can in one match")

He gets great pops still, his feud with Christian and Barrett recently was solid. If your basing that conclusion off of his match tonight then you must of not been a wrestling fan to long. Unless your Hogan, (and maybe The Rock) your main event spot isn't always guaranteed all the time. Bret Hart was pushed to the mid card many times in the 90's, Cena wasn't even on a PPV card a few months ago, and the list goes on.

Orton will be back in the spotlight in no time. He's far away from needing to retire.

 

[phoenixphreek]

While I definitely see your point that Orton has become complacent with where he's at, retiring is a drastic solution to that problem. Also, it wouldn't happen just because how he much loves his job.
This year was proof (ie his feud with Christian) that he's still capable of amazing matches. He's one of the best in the ring in the WWE, easy.
However, he could be doing better believe. Maybe he could just take a little break? Get a little rejuvenated, miss the job some so that it would be more exciting for he himself to come back and work.

 

[AwesomeRko]

Absolutely not Orton is stll in the top three most popular full-time superstars in the company alongside Cena and Punk. He is simply at the stage where he can put people like Barrett or masked Kane oever without losing his main event credibility, he is a nine time champion who is simply giving back.

As far as people detracting his in-ring ability, I could not disagree more. Orton is greta in the ring, sure he has a limited moveset but so does everyone else its WE policy. he moves he does execute he does with smooth, clean efficiency and he is a trmendous athlete for a man his size. This combined with very good in-ring psychology makes him one of the best in-ring in the company in my opinion.

Orton will be champion and the face of SD again before the year is out, there is nothing wrong with taking a step back and letting some younger talent have a turn.

 

[aallen11]

Bolded the point you made because it is so ON point. For every person who likes to say Cena doesn't have skills, go compare those skills to Orton's.

Cena>>>Orton in the wrestling ring. He can move better, has better offense, sells better, tells the psychology of a match better. Absolutely.

You're making it pretty clear here that you're a Cena fan and you hate Orton. Just because you hate someone doesn't mean they should retire.

 

[whoopin' ass]

no but he should take some extended time off. part of the problem now is that without a wcw to go to, wrestlers reach certain levels and then sit there and it gets boring. Orton and Kane in a Mania match - really? nothing against Kane but Orton and him are not on the same level. but you need to have a Mania match for him so they create a mini feud for him. have him take 9-12 months off, build up a few other guys and then bring him back so he has new people to feud with. it helps Orton stay healthy and helps the company build new stars. i personally feel he isn`t as great as wwe seems to think he is but i don`t think there is any need for him to retire. just a little time off to help the character.

 

[DeathClutch]

Kane needed the win more than Orton; they've had a few matches over the years that Orton won so tonight was Kane's win, Orton/Kane II @ Extreme Rules, absolutely Orton can pick up his PPV win.

 

[newteenforbb]

no but he should take some extended time off. part of the problem now is that without a wcw to go to, wrestlers reach certain levels and then sit there and it gets boring. Orton and Kane in a Mania match - really? nothing against Kane but Orton and him are not on the same level. but you need to have a Mania match for him so they create a mini feud for him. have him take 9-12 months off, build up a few other guys and then bring him back so he has new people to feud with. it helps Orton stay healthy and helps the company build new stars. i personally feel he isn`t as great as wwe seems to think he is but i don`t think there is any need for him to retire. just a little time off to help the character.

I could accept a year without Orton if it means he comes back learning how to (a) talk (b) wrestle (c) build a feud and (d) if he actually looks like he gives a flying hoot about the business.

If retiring is too much to ask for and too unrealistic, then yes, a year off sounds amazing.

 

[The Third Man]

Orton would be crazy to retire. He's what, 32 years old somebody said? That means Orton has at least 10-15 years of full time work as one of the top professional wrestlers in the world. He'd be crazy to retire now and miss out on all that cash. And as big a star as he is now, another 10-15 years at the top and he will go down as an all-time great.

Only a serious injury or three would make me retire from that.

 

[Pedigree1]

*Note- This is a serious thread. I am not trolling or spamming. This isn't an attempt to just bash Randy Orton. And it isn't a thread created to cause problems. I am only giving an opinion and seeing where others stand.

I think for the sake of both the WWE and his own career (which includes his legacy), Randy Orton should walk away from professional wrestling for good. I say this after giving it a whole lot of thought.

The man is 32 and while that should give him a good decade left to go, he already seems to be "over" it. He looks to be phoning it in and appears to be done with the business. His matches have become almost impossible to watch without causing a need to go to sleep (for the viewer). Obviously, his mic work will never improve. He is no longer able to carry feuds or even remotely engage in one that involves any spirit or emotion.

In terms of the physical, he has way too many injuries and concussions and that should come into play as well. He also no longer looks like a wrestler. In other words, it looks as though he is letting himself go and couldn't care less. And I believe the WWE higher ups are taking notice.

They no longer feel the need to place him in big feuds, and they consistently book him to lose (cleanly at that- no protection like they do when they want someone to lose but come out looking strong).

With all of that said, do you guys agree that it is time that he says goodbye for good?

Sounds like a bashing to me!! Orton should in no way fucking anytime soon retire!! He is far far from done!! he cant carry a feud huh you say!! What about christian!! I think that was a pretty successful feud if you ask me. Orton destroyed christian and this feud with Kane was great IMO!! Kane was just the better man tonight orton is far from done!! Orton is one of the greatest workers there is in the business today stick that man in any feud and its gold IMO!! True he isnt the greatest talker but far from the worse!!! Injuries happen to everyone Orton has at least 10 years in him

 

[JR's Cliches]

Are you a psychologist? Can you transfer what you see on TV into a perception that is Randy Orton's reality? Seriously, if you don't like the dude just start a thread called "I Hate Randy Orton" and then you could pander your nonsensical views and perceptions there. Orton has never been the greatest storyteller in the ring, true, but that is not what the company is looking for now. The drama in the ring is only a part of the overall drama that they are trying to achieve. He has as fine a skillset as many of the legends of the past and many current wrestlers. His athleticism, given his size, is outstanding. His work on the mic sucks, but wrestling history is littered with with legends who sucked on the mic. His mannerisms and body language not good enough for you? Sorry when your character is "diabolical and methodical" that is what you get. Do you have any sense of wrestling history or do you just hate Orton? Cuz if that is the case, its fine. But what does the crowd do when he walks through that curtain? How many legends and stars have gone to bat for the company and put inferior talent or superstars with lesser stature with the crowds over so consistently? Just a few items that you did not pay attention to in your earlier post. If you hate dude, just admit and carry on, but don't pretend to know what your seeing is some sort of fact or logical revelation.

 

[TheExceLLenceOfExecution]

i dont agree with you... he is one of the better wrestlers out there right now (im not a fan of his) there is no reason why he should stop unless he incapable of performing anymore..

i think they should start using him more actually... in legit feuds..