Should Randy Orton bow out from the WWE?

[newteenforbb]

He won't have to walk... he is bound to screw up again. His history proves it. He'll have a good patch, then he'll screw up or get drug failed... he has longer on his deal to go than 5 years, he will screw up in that 5 years and get his 3rd Wellness...

In some ways he's almost better to do so, take the enforced year off and give the fans a chance to miss him...

I would never wish an injury or any type of suspension due to a drug problem or something similar on anyone but you are probably right. I don't think the fans would miss him though, even it was an enforced year off. He would probably return at some point to crickets.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

At least it'd go over better than BooTista...

I'ts not a case of wishing it on him, his record says he is a fuck up almost serially. He has a good spell then he cocks it up, works his penance, builds up and repeats the cycle again. You gotta wonder what effect all this "we hate you as champ and want Bryan" is actually doing to him.

 

[newteenforbb]

At least it'd go over better than BooTista...

I'ts not a case of wishing it on him, his record says he is a fuck up almost serially. He has a good spell then he cocks it up, works his penance, builds up and repeats the cycle again. You gotta wonder what effect all this "we hate you as champ and want Bryan" is actually doing to him.

That's why, contrary to people telling me this is a hate thread, I gave the dude props for how he is handling the crowd reactions. It is one thing I actually look forward to in his matches these days- how he trolls the crowd to get them to give him heat and stop the chants. He does that well. Definitely better than Batista has handled the audience up until this point. But maybe you are right. Perhaps this is killing him behind closed doors and he is throwing tantrums weekly backstage.

To his credit, he hasn't, as you said, gone back to his serial ways of screwing up in quite some time. We shall see what happens in the next few weeks though.

 

[S.J. Maximus]

This might be one of the most outrageous arguments I've ever heard - retirement!? You want the guy to retire just because you don't like him and feel he doesn't belong in the main event? You do know there's more to a WWE career than being in the main event right?

Regardless of your opinion Orton will be in the WWE until at least 2018 (that's when his current contract runs out) and it is pretty safe to assume that he will remain very close to the top of the card during that duration. Regardless of your opinion the fact remains that Randy Orton is one of the most valuable and important commodities in the WWE. He has the talent, the accolades, and the name value to make him an integral part of WWE for however long he chooses to remain with the company. To be honest, at 33, he might be better than ever and he has really had some awesome matches even before his random MitB and WWE title wins of last year. I understand that he has been on top for a long, long time just like John Cena but both men are really displaying in-ring ability they haven't shown prior and Orton has made the best of the terrible gimmick he currently has. He's booked to look extremely weak, and beatable like OP posted, but in reality I'm not too sure how many wrestlers are better than him today (Daniel Bryan, CM Punk, I think the list stops there).

I also acknowledge that once Orton loses the belt, it will seem like he has no purpose because the way that they booked him makes it look like he needs the title to stay relevant. Look at 2012, when they were doing absolutely nothing with his character, he still got the loudest pops of the night - he is a proven draw. No matter what they do with Orton after he loses the belt, there is no doubt that he will still get a reaction and I can say with great confidence that he will entertain in his next endeavor after this 12th world title reign.

 

[newteenforbb]

I also acknowledge that once Orton loses the belt, it will seem like he has no purpose because the way that they booked him makes it look like he needs the title to stay relevant. Look at 2012, when they were doing absolutely nothing with his character, he still got the loudest pops of the night - he is a proven draw. No matter what they do with Orton after he loses the belt, there is no doubt that he will still get a reaction and I can say with great confidence that he will entertain in his next endeavor after this 12th world title reign.

We will see what happens once he loses the championship. He is no Cena, Bryan, or Punk. He is going to have major issues being relevant and connected to the crowd without a title. Heck, he is having issues connecting with them now as the champion. 50 percent of that is booking, 50 percent is just people being "over" him as a superstar. And I don't blame them. But yes, let's see how things go after his reign ends and any rematches are over.

 

[beckyh]

Well Orton is way too young to think about retiring from the WWE. His contract does have 5 years or so left on it. I am not sure if it would be picked up again at that time. He does have some injury and wellness issues. Plus he will be around 40 years old. However if he is selling a lot of merchandise for them and performing very well with few/no problems then he would continue on but not for a long contract. He truly negotiated very well for his ten year deal.

Does he have problems keeping the crowd interested? Yes, there are problems. Doesn't matter if you blame creative for the script or him for the delivery of the words. It's a problem.

He has great chemistry with several other wrestlers. Problem is that he can only be paired up with those guys so many times before it gets very, very old. (Cena anyone?)

Will he be relevant? He has a tweener styled character. I've always been told that what is cute when you are twenty is barely tolerated when you are thirty and disgusting when you are forty.

Time will tell.

 

[Kidpolean]

We will see what happens once he loses the championship. He is no Cena, Bryan, or Punk. He is going to have major issues being relevant and connected to the crowd without a title. Heck, he is having issues connecting with them now as the champion. 50 percent of that is booking, 50 percent is just people being "over" him as a superstar. And I don't blame them. But yes, let's see how things go after his reign ends and any rematches are over.

dude wtf are u talking about...Orton has gotten huge reaction for nearly his entire career, with or without the belt. Orton has a huge fan base and as soon as he drops the belt he will go right back to getting those reactions. Orton only gets the hate he gets because of DB.

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

Mic skills? What? I'm going to try and remain as unbiased as possible even though I sincerely dislike the man but what mic skills? He had one instance where I saw and heard something of value the night after the Rumble and that was because creative told him to talk very fast and get to the point in order to cool down the crowd from hijacking the segment. But aside from that, mic skills?

And age really has nothing to do with it when it comes to wrestling today. Daniel Bryan is 32. Cesaro is 33. One is a year younger than Orton. The other is his age. Both are miles ahead of him when it comes to in-ring skills.

Yeah, Orton can be a work horse, I'll give you that. He has probably ended up in the top 5 of most worked matches each year for the last 2-3. But that doesn't mean he should be doing it. Think of it like a television show with great ratings but one that has been running forever. Just because it keeps producing episodes because it CAN doesn't mean it should.

Just seen this. The millions of posts after that confirmed that you...are very wrong, hid it from me. My bad.

What mic skills. The mic skills which show me, week on week, that he delivers his lines with confidence, he delivers them clearly and does not get flustered. Because that's now what we need to look for. That and emotion, and Orton's character is very simple. Its got two modes. Angry and more angry. That's his character, built by WWE. He acts to that character. If you're talking about what he says...it's scripted.

In ring. He's fluent. Looks solid and doesn't look like he's going to hurt anyone while having a good moveset that looks dangerous without him looking like he's going to injure someone. He's experienced and can carry matches. In fact for my money, Orton is one of the most fluent in ring. He doesn't oversell. He looks believable. And damn, that snap powerslam of his. So underrated, yet perfect, every damned time.

Usually...a TV show will carry on until ratings drop. A show won't end because ratings are good but the show has been going on for a while. That's bad business. Youve just answered your own question, my friend. Orton, as long as he draws and sells merchandise, will be a part of that roster.

 

[lil steroid meat]

Leading a faction and/or a gimmick change is what he needs after Wrestlemania.

He's a familiar name and solid in-ring worker. He might not need to be in the title scene for a while but he definitely shouldn't retire or anything like that.

However if he were to take a sabbatical, it could only have positive effects for his character and the company.

 

[The Perfect Max]

Hell no. Randy Orton's contract isn't up until 2019, and he's been given shit for the past few years. I reckon he'd stick around for five more.

The thing is, I've always secretly liked Orton. Yeah, his mic skills aren't the greatest, but he has delivered some great promos in the past, and is consistently one of the best in the ring. I remember Jim Ross saying at WrestleMania XXIV that Orton's best days were ahead of him. I think he was wrong for the sole reason that creative don't use him correctly. He's proven he can deliver, back when he was "the Legend Killer", as part of Evolution and as WWE Champion in 2008. In 2009, he and Legacy were awesome. Yes, he's become stale, but I do think he has so much to offer still.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

Orton has been in the "we really don't care about you" department ever since the Legacy run was over. But at least during that 4 year time frame after, he was involved in high-mid card programs, and not at the top so it wasn't that big of deal. Orton just doesn't resonate really, he doesn't have a rabid fan base. Say all you want about Cena, the guy has loyal fans.

But should he "bow out"? That's a ridiculous statement. Why would anyone leave just because the fans don't want him to be in the spot he is in? The guy is making money and doing the job he's been given. It's not his fault that the WWE has chosen to have him be the WWE World Champion at WM.

 

[MoxleyCrue]

I couldn't even be bothered to read all of the posts because everyone seems to be regurgitating the same things. In summary (disclaimer - not an Orton fan):

Should he retire? No, he is very very good in the ring and has many years ahead of him.

Is he great on the mic? No, but he is no where near as bad as some people say.

What is the problem then? In my opinion, he is just boring and stale, I normally fast forward his segments on my DVR unless he's paired up against someone else of his talent, a la Cesaro or Bryan, not the Cena or Batista types of the world.

How do you fix it? The guy just needs a serious repackaging. Nothing gimmicky, just something very different to what we've seen for the past God knows how many years.

Will it be fixed? I doubt it, I believe he does sell a lot of merch to his credit, so why would WWE want to risk the sales to appease the "internet darlings" (which I am probably one of).

What would I do next? He's going to WM30, pulling the creative plug on that now would be a fiasco. Let Bryan win at WM30, whilst meanwhile Reigns also wins at WM30. Have Orton bitch and complain on the next RAW about how he should be champion etc (stale, I know) then have Reigns come out and challenge him, thus starting a feud. This puts Reigns over as a babyface, while the feud creates a platform upon which WWE can repackage Orton because he's never faced a guy as athletic (big, strong, and quick) as Reigns.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

That's why, contrary to people telling me this is a hate thread, I gave the dude props for how he is handling the crowd reactions. It is one thing I actually look forward to in his matches these days- how he trolls the crowd to get them to give him heat and stop the chants. He does that well. Definitely better than Batista has handled the audience up until this point. But maybe you are right. Perhaps this is killing him behind closed doors and he is throwing tantrums weekly backstage.

To his credit, he hasn't, as you said, gone back to his serial ways of screwing up in quite some time. We shall see what happens in the next few weeks though.

He hasn't for jsut short of 2 years... but that means he's on schedule to screw up rather than doing well... When he does 4 without messing up, then he's made progress.

It won't take much - like losing the title tonight to Bryan for example to knock his confidence and send him back into "child mode".

 

[NancyBenoit]

I will assume by your name that you are a brand new teenager...congrats little fellow on becoming a very very big boy!!!! Unfortunately the adults on here don't all love cena and bryan so NO orton doesn't need to retire. You are sooooo cute with your " I no likey orton, he make me super duper mad when he beats my favorite boyfriends" but please remember it's a tv show, not real life....OK. Now go put on your jammies and brush your teeth and get ready for wwe raw. Jump up and down screaming YES YES YES and let's go cena!!!!

Love you pumpkin,

Mommy

 

[Crypt Keeper]

No, not at all! Orton may be boring on the mic at times, but he is definitely not the worst. I actually enjoy most of his promos. I believe every match that he has been in the past few years, he has tried his hardest to make them the best they can be. His in-ring work is outstanding and he still has plenty of years left in the tank. I like the fact that he put over Cesaro as champion, mind you, clean as a whistle. That's very rare to see somebody like Orton do such. The guy has a lot of talent in my view and I believe he deserves being in the world title match at Wrestlemania. With his work over the years, he has earned it and I believe he will continue to put on stellar matches and put over upcoming stars. Those traits are what WWE needs from a top-tier star like Randy.

 

[S.J. Maximus]

We will see what happens once he loses the championship. He is no Cena, Bryan, or Punk. He is going to have major issues being relevant and connected to the crowd without a title. Heck, he is having issues connecting with them now as the champion. 50 percent of that is booking, 50 percent is just people being "over" him as a superstar. And I don't blame them. But yes, let's see how things go after his reign ends and any rematches are over.

I DARE you to show me a clip of Randy Orton after 2003 that doesn't garner a reaction. If there's one thing that hasn't been debatable about Randy over the years, it's the fact that he has always been over with the live crowd - that's not going to change at a time where his in-ring work is better than ever.

 

[Messiah]

This was a giant waste of time... Why would he leave WWE? He's making millions, you talk about main-eventing, he sucks, nobody wants to see him.. That doesn't mean shit to Orton as long as he's getting paid.


This was just a hate thread, nothing more.

 

[newteenforbb]

Perfect use of Orton tonight. All of 90 seconds in a 3 hour show.

 

[Rhodes2TheFuture3313]

Unlike many on here. I've been a Randy Orton supporter since the Evolution days. IMO, Orton can do no right with the IWC because you all want him to be the bada$$ viper character who punted people in the head all of the time. You're probably the same people who called that stale and that Randy "needed" a Face turn to freshen things up. Then, you probably cheered when Randy cashed-in his MITB briefcase because you knew a heel turn was coming, but it's not the heel turn that you wanted. So Randy is playing the "weak heel" who manages to have the deck continually stacked against him, however emerges victorious when it matters. Is that so bad? I think Randy Orton has been the BEST and most consistent performer over the past 4 years. Cena may be the poster boy for the company, but IF you polled fans on who they prefer Cena or Orton? The answer may shock you. Randy took a dip into the mid-card for some of 2011- half of 2013. If you read interviews outside of WWE he says his Face run got stale because Vince turned him into your typical cookie-cutter fan fav and that Randy had other ideas for the character, but was overruled. I'm enjoying Orton's current run and as a fan he's still interesting to me. His matches ALWAYS DELIVER. I believe the face run helped Orton pick up on the little things that he does now to interact w/the live audience and make them boo him. It's not Randy's fault creative messed up the storyline and didn't pit Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton at WM 30. Creative really blew it with Batista's return. It has been an epic failure. He should have been booked against Brock Lesnar. That's the match most people wanted to see. IF I were in charge of creative I would have booked CM Punk vs. Randy Orton for the title, but I'm not and it appears as if Punk is gone...for now. Even then, Bryan vs. Punk vs. Orton would have been better probably, then what we're going to get.

 

[newteenforbb]

Sorry but this post is begging to be picked apart a little bit...

Unlike many on here. I've been a Randy Orton supporter since the Evolution days.

A.K.A.- his best days.

IMO, Orton can do no right with the IWC because you all want him to be the bada$$ viper character who punted people in the head all of the time. You're probably the same people who called that stale and that Randy "needed" a Face turn to freshen things up. Then, you probably cheered when Randy cashed-in his MITB briefcase because you knew a heel turn was coming, but it's not the heel turn that you wanted. So Randy is playing the "weak heel" who manages to have the deck continually stacked against him, however emerges victorious when it matters. Is that so bad?

The issue is that each time Orton enters a new "phase" or "era" or (excuse the pun) "evolution" of his character, HE is the one who ultimately fails to make it work. I'm so tired of everything always placed on creative or the IWC. If Orton consistently puts talent over, that's something people should be praising creative for, not Orton. He got a paycheck for getting pinned, big whoop. All the instances you mentioned (punt crazy Orton, face Orton, current heel Orton) were and are capable of being successful if he had a single ounce of charisma to actually pull them off. We have seen wrestlers with LESS who were given less to work with and who elevated their material. Orton just can't elevate anything.

I think Randy Orton has been the BEST and most consistent performer over the past 4 years. Cena may be the poster boy for the company, but IF you polled fans on who they prefer Cena or Orton? The answer may shock you. Randy took a dip into the mid-card for some of 2011- half of 2013. If you read interviews outside of WWE he says his Face run got stale because Vince turned him into your typical cookie-cutter fan fav and that Randy had other ideas for the character, but was overruled.

Would you really want to poll that? I could almost guarantee you and bet good money that if you currently polled fans ranging from kids to adults, include men and women, the answer would NOT be shocking. Cena would be the clear cut choice hands down. Add Bryan to that poll. Add Punk to that poll. At the moment, add Cesaro to that poll. I'll even go further. Add the entire Shield to the poll either as a collective unit or individually. Orton would end up at the BOTTOM. The fans are, in simplest terms, OVER him. And that echoes back to my whole original point about Orton hanging up them boots and letting the next generation carry on.

I'm enjoying Orton's current run and as a fan he's still interesting to me.

You are one of a very select few.

His matches ALWAYS DELIVER.

Depends on who he in there with. If his opponent is strong enough to carry him through a good match, both from a wrestling standpoint and by telling a good story in the ring, then yes, his matches will deliver. Put him in there with the wrong person, it all becomes... come on WWE Universe, lemme hear ya... "boring."

I believe the face run helped Orton pick up on the little things that he does now to interact w/the live audience and make them boo him. It's not Randy's fault creative messed up the storyline and didn't pit Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton at WM 30. Creative really blew it with Batista's return. It has been an epic failure. He should have been booked against Brock Lesnar. That's the match most people wanted to see. IF I were in charge of creative I would have booked CM Punk vs. Randy Orton for the title, but I'm not and it appears as if Punk is gone...for now. Even then, Bryan vs. Punk vs. Orton would have been better probably, then what we're going to get.

Well, we all have our fantasy booking wishes. Here's mine. It doesn't matter what they decide to do with Batista. Whether he goes full heel or they opt for the Cena treatment where he acknowledges and "respects" the boos, they need to insert a 3rd party in that main event. Ideally, WWE should get the strap off of Orton prior to Mania but they might not be able to logically do that. So, either Bryan ends up in the match via defeating HHH with the added stipulation that if he does, he gets in the match. Or, Vince calls up CM Punk and begs him to come back and places him in the match. I don't know how true the rumors are that Batista is a guaranteed winner at Mania because that was part of his agreeing to return. If so, fine. It is what it is. But if not, whomever you get to be the 3rd party in that match leaves New Orleans the champion.

 

[newteenforbb]

No, not at all! Orton may be boring on the mic at times, but he is definitely not the worst. I actually enjoy most of his promos. I believe every match that he has been in the past few years, he has tried his hardest to make them the best they can be. His in-ring work is outstanding and he still has plenty of years left in the tank. I like the fact that he put over Cesaro as champion, mind you, clean as a whistle. That's very rare to see somebody like Orton do such. The guy has a lot of talent in my view and I believe he deserves being in the world title match at Wrestlemania. With his work over the years, he has earned it and I believe he will continue to put on stellar matches and put over upcoming stars. Those traits are what WWE needs from a top-tier star like Randy.

1. (bolded point) - Send creative your thanks. Has nothing to do with Orton.

2. (bolded point) - He doesn't have the star factor anymore where putting over upcoming stars means as much as it did a few years ago. You could put him in a feud with Roman Reigns right now and if Reigns beat him cleanly, I wouldn't consider it an upset or a surprise. It would just be the right wrestler (the better one) going over the weaker one.

 

[LuckyLouie]

All they need him to do is stop chasing the title and have some more hardcore feuds.

 

[L@RISANO]

All they need him to do is stop chasing the title and have some more hardcore feuds.

For some reason, I would love to see Randy vs the Wyatt family in a feud, with Randy being abducted and truly being brainwashed by the Wyatts.
It would be perfect as Randy seems best as a Tweener who doesn't care for anyone but himself anyways.