In all of their tag matches, Haas has clearly been the weak link. If you notice he's the one getting the pinfall loss everytime. And it's clear WWE doesn't have much left for him. So who thinks Benjamin should show a real mean streak (and act like he's motivated to get somewhere in WWE) and beat the crap out of Haas, send a real statement? This could elevate Bejamin some. Give him a much needed boast. I really like the idea.
Should Benjamin drop Haas the hard way?
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kingdirrtysouth1
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Yeah, plus it could lead to a fun little feud between two! I sure they could put on nice ass technical matches! But,then again, I would like to see them get a real push as a tag team, but they don't really care about tag teams in WWE!
Kip The Fury
Pre-Show Stalwart
The chemistry between these two is fantastic, they really work well together. Neither of them is heaidng towards the main event at the moment so why not let them have a tag team run for a while? The tag team division is weak at the moment so why break up one of the better teams to push Benjamin, he's had pushes before and they haven't stuck, he's better with Haas IMO
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
I'd rather see it go the other way. Shelton has had like 40 tries to move up the card and he always fails miserably. Why not give Haas a shot? I think he could pull off a good heel persona. And maybe, just maybe, Shelton could come off looking decent. I'd rather see them stick together. Sheltom doesn't have the tools to get any higher, and I doubt Haas could either.
Thriller Ant
Beep Bop Boop
I agree with Nate. If Shelton went and got rid of Charlie, there would be a giant, collective, "meh." But, even the 7 year old kid in section 332 who started watching wrestling last year knows that Haas has never really been anything in the WWE and the have tried to make something out of Benjamin. So by having Haas be the heel and Shelton the face, they could have a feud and maybe try and give Charlie the push he's never really had.
"Cool Guy" Jensen
Undertaker for Champ!
We could have Shelton Benjamin make a statement by beating up Charlie Haas. But would that really help either men? You said that Benjamin could make a statement by attacking Haas. What exactly would that statement be? As much as I would love to see him move up to the main event, I just don't see it happening. Benjamin is already a 3-time Intercontinental Champion, so it would be pointless to have him win it again, unless he makes a goal to break Chris Jericho's record.
I actually like the idea of having Haas being the one to attack Benjamin. It would be something new. Haas never really had a real push in the WWE, unless you call his Tag Team Championship win with Rico, a push. Haas is a very talented person in the ring and can really make his opponents atleast try to sell his moves.
But, on the real... I think the best choice would be to allow them to team up a bit longer. Maybe after they win the Tag Titles and hold on to it for a few months, they can lose it and go their seperate ways.
I actually like the idea of having Haas being the one to attack Benjamin. It would be something new. Haas never really had a real push in the WWE, unless you call his Tag Team Championship win with Rico, a push. Haas is a very talented person in the ring and can really make his opponents atleast try to sell his moves.
But, on the real... I think the best choice would be to allow them to team up a bit longer. Maybe after they win the Tag Titles and hold on to it for a few months, they can lose it and go their seperate ways.
Kaze Enigma
Occasional Pre-Show
Yeah i dont think they should be broken up yet they have done little to nothing at the moment wait till they are more established.
Stickstar 16
I might just go extreme on you!!!!
No, He really shouldn't, i agree with Nate and Thriller, If anyone is gonna do the dropping it prob should be Charlie Haas, i would like to see a heel version of his copycat gimmick, but thats just a guilty pleasure of mine lol.
The main point is that Charlie and Shelton being together is prob one of the few things that keeps Shelton on tv and not jobbing every week or future endeavoured, Shelton continues to prove week in and out that he belongs trapped in the mid-card, and the only thing at the moment stopping him from sliding down is the tag team division, and who knows his big moment could come in helping to revive the tag division, as opposed to fading into obscurity
The main point is that Charlie and Shelton being together is prob one of the few things that keeps Shelton on tv and not jobbing every week or future endeavoured, Shelton continues to prove week in and out that he belongs trapped in the mid-card, and the only thing at the moment stopping him from sliding down is the tag team division, and who knows his big moment could come in helping to revive the tag division, as opposed to fading into obscurity
JuviJuiceIsLoose
Getting Noticed By Management
Next Time you have a thought... let it go.
Shelton is NOT in any danger of being future endeavored. If anybody is getting saved from being cut, it's Charlie Haas.
Shelton is doing him a favor by putting his push on hold AGAIN to team up with Charlie AGAIN!!!
Without Shelton, Charlie has done nothing.
Shelton's won championship after championship, and yet they keep sticking back with Haas.
It's the weirdest God Damn thing I've seen in my life. They constantly recycle this over and over.
They push Shelton, put him back with Haas, then when they decide they wanna push him again he pretty much has to start from scratch.
One year he looks like he can contend for a World Title. The next he's jobbing it with Charlie in the Tag Team Division.
The booking of Shelton has been wildly inconsistent.
One positive to them teaming together is that they have been putting Wrestling Clinics in their matches. The way they've been isolating opponents, using quick tags, and working on specific parts of the body.
I may not like it, but Shelton and Charlie have great in-ring chemistry. The way the've been wrestling lately have reminded me of Arn & Ole, and Arn & Tully.
I think you have commend Shelton for being willing to constantly put his push on hold so he can help Charlie get some shine. It shows that there's at least some loyalty in a business that doesn't have much. It also shows that he can be loyal to a fault.
Do you think between Bret Hart 2 I-C title wins he would have been willing to re-team with Anvil? Do you think Shawn Michaels would have been ok with reuniting with Marty Janetty after losing that Ladder Match at WM X???
Maybe Shelton's happy in his position. You don't really hear too much about him getting into shit backstage. He just shows up and does his job. They can count on Shelton to have a good match with anyone. If the gig calls for him to wear gold, he can do that. If the gig calls for him to make his opponents look good, he can do that too.
If Shelton's content in his position, then maybe we're all protesting a little too much.
Stickstar 16
I might just go extreme on you!!!!
The thing is Charlie Haas is always at risk of being future endeavoured, and teaming him with Shelton probably means its the last hope for both men, cause Shelton has been appearing less frequently lately, so this may be his last chance to really prove that he can get over as a heel, and he seems to do his best work with Charlie Haas.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Apparently StickStar is a nice person. Me? Not so much. Along with the lame Ron White joke, your post was way off. They don't put his push on hold for Haas, he doesn't get a push because he isn't worth a shit. If you multiplied his crowd reaction by 10 he still wouldn't get X- Pac heat. Puttin him with Haas is perfect. They can be formidable opponents to lose to teams who are actually worth a shit. Shelton benjamin is booked perfectly. Like a mid card jobber.
JuviJuiceIsLoose
Getting Noticed By Management
I wish I had the courage to be as stupid as you are. Shelton Benjamin gets a good reaction from the crowd when he wrestles. Is it as big as someone like Jeff Hardy's? No, but to say he couldn't get X Pac heat if you multiplied by 10 is utter bullshit.
During his match last year against Matt Hardy, half the crowd was chanting his name. This was during a match against a freakin' Hardy and the crowd popped for him.
Or you can watch the match he was in with Haas against Cryme Tyme a few weeks back and see the adults in the crowd cheering for him after he hit Paydirt and pinned Shad.
So please, next time know what the fuck you're talking about.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
First off read the rules man, you clearly didn't. Second, if you think the pops or boos you hear on Smackdown are legit, you are wrong. It has been reported for quite a while that that shit is edited in. Look back at some of his matches on Raw where that shit don't happen. You'll hear fuckin crickets chirping. The only way he gets a reaction is when he does a sick spot or when he gets the "you fucked up" chant when he botches something. Shelton Benjamin is only useful to job and you shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. Just so I stay on topic, I hope Haas turns on Shelton and Shelton loses to Jimmy Wang Yang clean 8 weeks in a row.
Lee
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's Supermod!
Do you grasp what a forum is about?
Who's more likely in danger...a guy who no one likes who has had shit loads of pushes, or a guy no one likes who has had zero pushes? Yup...
Aside from make Benjamin look the best he's been for years
Ever pass a thought that Benjamin as a singles star does not work?
WWe give Benjamin chances, Benjamin fucks them up.
See above
Yeh they work well together, which is why they should stay together.
I don't think it's Benjamin choosing to put his push on hold...
Yup to both, and they did.
He's had his chances, he can't really complain.
outside of MiTB or one or two other matches a year when he's fighting somoene like taker...Yup you guys are, do we really need a 700th Benjamin thread?
I quite like the idea of Haas ditching Benjamin, he could be pissed because Shelton gets opportunity after opportunity to shine and never does anything, Haas may have got the Haas pop but it was still better than anything Benjamins gotten.
Fuck it if it dont work then you could have them reteam saying they've forgiven each other, they are proven usefull as a tag team. Personally I'd bring Rico back, but that's a story for another day.
Fuck it if it dont work then you could have them reteam saying they've forgiven each other, they are proven usefull as a tag team. Personally I'd bring Rico back, but that's a story for another day.
Sean Valjean
Lets Bitch About This Thing We Love
As good a tag-team that they are, I've always preferred Shelton to be on his own. That's because every time they put him with Haas, the WWE always makes them jobbers and I hate it when Shelton's a jobber. Even though Haas is great too, I'm used to him being a jobber since he's pretty much been one his whole career with his best times being a part of Team Angle and tag champ with Rico.
If Shelton were to drop Haas, I'm pretty sure no one would care. It's not like the team is such a big deal that when they split it's like "OMGZ" like the Rocker's or E & C. He'd just leave Haas, start his 3rd or 4th singles push during which he'll win the IC title again, have an uneventful reign, then lose it to someone people actually care about, and then slowly turn back into a jobber until they pair him with Haas AGAIN and start back over. That's pretty much been the pattern Shelton's career has followed.
If they actually pushed Benjamin and Haas as tag team who were a legitimate threat to the tag titles, then I'd say keep them together for the sake of the tag division. But if they continue to be jobbers, Shelton should split because at least when he's on his own he gets a title or two before inevitably ending up back with Haas again.
If Shelton were to drop Haas, I'm pretty sure no one would care. It's not like the team is such a big deal that when they split it's like "OMGZ" like the Rocker's or E & C. He'd just leave Haas, start his 3rd or 4th singles push during which he'll win the IC title again, have an uneventful reign, then lose it to someone people actually care about, and then slowly turn back into a jobber until they pair him with Haas AGAIN and start back over. That's pretty much been the pattern Shelton's career has followed.
If they actually pushed Benjamin and Haas as tag team who were a legitimate threat to the tag titles, then I'd say keep them together for the sake of the tag division. But if they continue to be jobbers, Shelton should split because at least when he's on his own he gets a title or two before inevitably ending up back with Haas again.
A strong statement, you say?
Well, jeez, how much of a strong statement do you want him to make? I mean, it'll only be the third time he's had to do it! How strong do you want him to get? Because, you know, when his forty sixth push fails, and he can't get over by himself, then what will he do? When he tries to venture out by himself, and fails miserably, then who's he going to turn to? What's going to happen when he dyes his hair again, has spotty matches, falls off cliffs a la Wile E. Coyote, and still can't get over? Then where does he go from there? He won't have a partner to turn to for the forty seventh time, now will he? The reason they brought these two together was because neither of them were getting over. If Shelton could actually get a "reaction" to his matches, then maybe he wouldn't need Charlie, and perhaps he could abandon Charlie Haas. But as it stands, without Charlie, Shelton is a big fat spotty pile of absolutely nothing. What has he done without Charlie? Win an Intercontinental title? Have some spots in a ladder match? I would seriously love to know what Shelton Benjamin has done without Charlie Haas.
In short, the only way I'd like to see him drop Charlie "the hard way" is if Charlie just lost a match to save Shelton's job in the WWE. Then, sure, he can drop Charlie the hard way. As long as I never have to see him again.
Well, jeez, how much of a strong statement do you want him to make? I mean, it'll only be the third time he's had to do it! How strong do you want him to get? Because, you know, when his forty sixth push fails, and he can't get over by himself, then what will he do? When he tries to venture out by himself, and fails miserably, then who's he going to turn to? What's going to happen when he dyes his hair again, has spotty matches, falls off cliffs a la Wile E. Coyote, and still can't get over? Then where does he go from there? He won't have a partner to turn to for the forty seventh time, now will he? The reason they brought these two together was because neither of them were getting over. If Shelton could actually get a "reaction" to his matches, then maybe he wouldn't need Charlie, and perhaps he could abandon Charlie Haas. But as it stands, without Charlie, Shelton is a big fat spotty pile of absolutely nothing. What has he done without Charlie? Win an Intercontinental title? Have some spots in a ladder match? I would seriously love to know what Shelton Benjamin has done without Charlie Haas.
In short, the only way I'd like to see him drop Charlie "the hard way" is if Charlie just lost a match to save Shelton's job in the WWE. Then, sure, he can drop Charlie the hard way. As long as I never have to see him again.
HBK-aholic
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Neither Benjamin or Haas are ever going to be Main Eventers in the WWE. Why not have them as a tag team and let them try and make that division slightly more interesting? Eventually, Benjamin will probably turn on him, because that's how teams seem to break up. They work well together and could have some good matches, but at the moment I think they should be a team.
Deexter Jorgan
Has a Dark Passenger on board...
The thing is as stated previously it would not make any statement, No on cares and Haas isn't a big enough star to actually be remembered as the guy who put over Shelton, they are barely remembered as a Tag team, so IMO I think they should stay a team for a while, Its actually helping both men more, Haas is doing alot more with himself now then when he was working crappy singles matches as a jobber on Raw, he needs this.
Secondly I think that if they where going to split the team up why not push Haas as the heel people would be like What the F*** just happened, if done right it would elevate Haas to something bigger then hes ever treaded before, and it wouldn't hurt Benjamin at all, it may give him a fresh approach and help elevate him to the main event once again in hopes that he would actually work better in the face role.
But at this time the two would be better suited as a team not facing each other because it would probably kill what heat they have left as a team at this point
Secondly I think that if they where going to split the team up why not push Haas as the heel people would be like What the F*** just happened, if done right it would elevate Haas to something bigger then hes ever treaded before, and it wouldn't hurt Benjamin at all, it may give him a fresh approach and help elevate him to the main event once again in hopes that he would actually work better in the face role.
But at this time the two would be better suited as a team not facing each other because it would probably kill what heat they have left as a team at this point
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I don't think Benjamin turning on Haas or Haas turning on Benjamin would have a big impact but if it did I rather it would be Haas. He is better in the ring than Shelton and he has more charisma even if it came from imitating superstars. If that doesn't work, just put them together as a tag team again for a while and see what happens.
gold standard
Dark Match Jobber
I would love to see them become Tag Champs right now because out of all the tag teams together, there the only team that has won the belts (excluding the colons). It would some what boost the tag team division instead of jobbing to cryme tyme. But as of right know, they should break up. Charlie Haas is complete garbage and should of been released long ago and by Shelton beating up haas will make him more of a heel and give him a better pop.
