Shawn Michaels doesn't deserve place in Hall of Fame??

[WWE-FAN-1999]

While I see what you are saying, for they did put guys like The Wild Samoans/Eddie Gurrerro/Curt Hennings in the hall of fame. I just don't think a guy like Shawn deserves in it. Most anyone that worked with him in the 90's hated him. Bret Hart TO THIS VERY DAY hates Shawn Micheals, maybe not so much his ring work, but his attitude. His Drawing abilities arnt that great by any means (as said above.) I just dont think he deserves the spot they are giving him, they are making it look like if he dosent get in, everyone around the world will riot, killing every wwe official in the world. When really, hes one of the most overrated superstars, the WWE has EVER had.

Shawn Michaels has been with WWE since the 1st episode of Monday Night Raw and has been in some of the greatest matches on Raw and on ppvs, Especially WrestleMania. Shawn Michaels is an icon and deserves to be in the HOF. the fact that someone would disagree is disraceful to him and WWE. I dont know how much longer he'll be in the company but when he retires he should be front in line for the HOF inductee ceremony.

 

[Queers and Steers]

This is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard in my life!!! saying hbk doesnt belong in the hall of fame is like saying bush is the greatest president of all time!!! 2 time royal rumble winner 4 time world champion 3 time intercontinental champion headlined 5 manias and stoled the show at damn near all of them!!! lets not forget 9 time pwi match of the year winner 93,94,95,96,04,05,06,07,08. first ever grand slam champion all legends and current wrestlers includind the icconic Ric flair all mention him as one of if not the greatest wrestlers of all time!!! BTW he gave both Cene and hogan ther only classic matches they culd ever have!!!!

dude how is he overrated when he was in the wwes first ever ladder match(july 21 92 maine) first teleivised ladder match( march 20 1994) first iron man( in modern wwe. march 31 1996) first hell in the cell(october 5 1997)... i can go all day elimination chambers ... first ever to win the rumble when entering first........ u sed the superstars of the 90s hated him well its because they were jealous! ane even then u had people like the million dollar man ted debiadse who culdnt stand em admitt that in that ring he was the best perfomer around!!!!! point blank u put michaels in any situation and ask him to deliver a high quality match and he will knock the ball outta the park!!! he is without a doubt the Showstopper!!! i challenge anydoby to tell me a time where he didint deliver on the big stage!

 

[HHH=The Peoples King]

im going to have to side with "CDR" on this one, he's one of the WWEs most faithfull employies still in there, thats the least they could do to show there thanks

 

[notorious102]

HBK deserves his spot in the Hall of Fame .......... But at the same time he deserves his spot in the Ha of Shame also for the bad stuff he's done.

 

[The Rob]

How in the name of hell can anyone say that Shawn dosen't deserve a place in the Hall of Fame? He's probably the most loyal wrestler the WWE has ever had! Further more he's one of the very best wrestlers the world has ever seen, in any organisation.

Just because Bret Hart didn't like him, does that mean Shawn dosen't deserve to be the in the Hall of Fame? Hell no! Bret left the WWE due to greed and wouldn't do the right thing by dropping the title before he left. Shawn did what he was told! Bret acted like a twat! Milk[lw]... thats one of the insane and unbelieveably brain-dead things I've ever read in my life. Some people amaze me!

As for being over-rated... thats even more stupid. As Hbk96rRko09 has listed the many, many matches that Shawn has revolusionised (ie/ Ladder Match, Hell in a Cell, Iron Man Match) I won't bother, but its almost ******ed to say that Shawns even remotely over-rated.

 

[Buford]

Shawn Michaels could wrestle a 2 X 4 and that would be a ** match. Without question, Shawn Michaels deserves to be in the HOF. I'd rank him below Ric Flair for greatest of all time. To say that he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame is a complete outrage, and that seriously might be one of the most idiotic things that I have ever heard.

 

[notorious102]

How in the name of hell can anyone say that Shawn dosen't deserve a place in the Hall of Fame? He's probably the most loyal wrestler the WWE has ever had! Further more he's one of the very best wrestlers the world has ever seen, in any organisation.

The Undertaker is the most loyal WWE superstar of all time. HBK tried going to WCW just like everyone else did, but Vince wouldn't let him out of his contract. There have also been rumors of him threatening to leave if he didn't get to keep the belt.

That's not Loyalty !

 

[Buford]

^^^Um no, you're wrong. Michaels had the same opportunity that Hall & Nash had, but he didn't leave. So get your facts straight.

 

[The Rob]

The Undertaker is the most loyal WWE superstar of all time. HBK tried going to WCW just like everyone else did, but Vince wouldn't let him out of his contract. There have also been rumors of him threatening to leave if he didn't get to keep the belt.

That's not Loyalty !

On the Heartbreak and Triumph DVD, Shawn's dad talks about when Nash and Hall left for WCW and Shawn stayed, and it was something that he as Shawn's dad, was very proud of him for doing. If Shawn ever wanted to go to WCW, they would of said so on the DVD, because lets be honest, it wasen't like they didn't talk about controversal topics (ie/ drugs, Survivor Series 97) on that DVD. I reckon Shawn would of openly admitted that he wanted to move to WCW, he was open about everything else.

I would like you find me the source of these accusations before you come out with a bold statement like that regarding Shawn's loyalty. And yes, The Undertaker is also probably the most loyal wrestler the WWE has ever had.
And anyways, are you saying that because Shawn 'might' of wanted to go to WCW, that means he dosen't deserve a place in the Hall of Fame? Stone Cold walked out on the company without warning and didn't talk to anyone for months on end. And he's being inducted into the Hall of Fame in April.

 

[wolfpack22]

Shawn Micheals not only belongs in the hall of fame, he should have his own wing. Yes, you can argue that he screwed Bret and is a glory hog, but remember when Kevin Nash and Scott Hall left for WCW Shawn stayed behind. Not only did he stay behind, he carried the company until Stone Cold won the title.

 

[Buford]

^^^My point exactly, I won't disagree that the Undertaker is the most loyal wrestler that they've ever had. Let's think about it, has Undertaker ever had any controversy behind him? Well anything serious? Michaels has the screwjob, and his behavior in the 90's. Trips has the politics and marrying Stephanie. You made the good point about Austin though, he's walked out three times. The first was the night after Wrestlemania 18, the second was when he left for good when he didn't want to job to Lesnar, and the third was a few years ago when he didn't want to get pinned by Coachman. So if Michaels in your eyes should be in the Hall of Shame, then Austin should be right there with him.

 

[notorious102]

^^^Um no, you're wrong. Michaels had the same opportunity that Hall & Nash had, but he didn't leave. So get your facts straight.

Ummm, HBK said it himself in his own book.
He called up Vince & told him that he wanted to go to WCW, but Vince wouldn't let him out of his contract.
So YOU get your facts straight kid !
LMAO @ the egg on your face !!!

 

[notorious102]

Shawn Micheals not only belongs in the hall of fame, he should have his own wing. Yes, you can argue that he screwed Bret and is a glory hog, but remember when Kevin Nash and Scott Hall left for WCW Shawn stayed behind. Not only did he stay behind, he carried the company until Stone Cold won the title.

The same thing I said to that other guy ... HBK tried going to WCW with Nash & Hall, but Vince wouldn't let him. That's why he satyed behind.

& He didn't carry the company on his own either, for awhile, he just straight up refused to pass the torch or hand the belt over.

 

[notorious102]

On the Heartbreak and Triumph DVD, Shawn's dad talks about when Nash and Hall left for WCW and Shawn stayed, and it was something that he as Shawn's dad, was very proud of him for doing. If Shawn ever wanted to go to WCW, they would of said so on the DVD, because lets be honest, it wasen't like they didn't talk about controversal topics (ie/ drugs, Survivor Series 97) on that DVD. I reckon Shawn would of openly admitted that he wanted to move to WCW, he was open about everything else.

I would like you find me the source of these accusations before you come out with a bold statement like that regarding Shawn's loyalty. And yes, The Undertaker is also probably the most loyal wrestler the WWE has ever had.
And anyways, are you saying that because Shawn 'might' of wanted to go to WCW, that means he dosen't deserve a place in the Hall of Fame? Stone Cold walked out on the company without warning and didn't talk to anyone for months on end. And he's being inducted into the Hall of Fame in April.

Like I told the other guys, HBK said it himself in his autobiography.
There's your 'source' kid !
Get your facts straight before you go around talking trash.
lmao

 

[DeadMan5000]

Back in 1996, the WWF was in a rough state. But if it wasn't for Shawn Michaels, it would have gone done hill more and more. He is a damn icon.

 

[Buford]

Ummm, HBK said it himself in his own book.
He called up Vince & told him that he wanted to go to WCW, but Vince wouldn't let him out of his contract.
So YOU get your facts straight kid !
LMAO @ the egg on your face !!!

One, lame comeback. Two, show me where it says that in his book, because I don't remember that part at all, the same with the DVD as well.

 

[BigLeagueG26]

Hey Dude do u even watch wrestling,Shawn Michaels is the man check the stats and the facts homey,he's held every title in the WWE ,he's good on the mic and a pure wrestler,meaning his not in there getting shots at the title off of slop bone antics (this list of wrestlers shall remain nameless).Your Crazy Michael's is Hall of Fame material hands down.(F.Y.I He's also Mr.Wrestlemania)

 

[BigLeagueG26]

And I quote...Shawn Michael's held the WWE together like glue when Kevin Nash and Scott Hall jumped ship!

Back in 1996, the WWF was in a rough state. But if it wasn't for Shawn Michaels, it would have gone done hill more and more. He is a damn icon.

 

[Buford]

For greatest of all time, I rank him # 2 behind Ric Flair.

 

[The Rob]

Like I told the other guys, HBK said it himself in his autobiography.
There's your 'source' kid !
Get your facts straight before you go around talking trash.
lmao

I did get my facts straight, I actually said what was said on the DVD. You've just come out and said that Shawn said it in his autobiography. Untill its been copied and pasted infront of me, I will refuse to believe you. Triple H said on the DVD that he was pissed off with both Kevin and Scott for leaving and told them "Not to come crying back!".

And anyways, so what if he did actually want to move, does that really stop him from being a WWE Hall of Famer?

For greatest of all time, I rank him # 2 behind Ric Flair.

Good to know, care to explain why you believe this instead of just jumping into a convo without reading it firstly?

 

[Buford]

I already was in the convo, but I wasn't aware that I had to read every single post first. Michaels has been able to carry anyone to a good match. He carried the company during a time of need during the Attitude Era. I just think of every year since he's been back, he's had the Match of the Year, or has been in the top three. I just think that no one will ever surpass Flair when you add everything together, but Michaels is right behind him. I could go on and on, but I don't feel like writing an essay, or listing the matches that he's been in.

 

[The Rob]

I already was in the convo, but I wasn't aware that I had to read every single post first. Michaels has been able to carry anyone to a good match. He carried the company during a time of need during the Attitude Era. I just think of every year since he's been back, he's had the Match of the Year, or has been in the top three. I just think that no one will ever surpass Flair when you add everything together, but Michaels is right behind him. I could go on and on, but I don't feel like writing an essay, or listing the matches that he's been in.

My mistake man, I shouldn't of posted that. I wasen't really paying that much attention when I posted that and haden't realised you have been involved in this convo, sorry.

Michael's was the WWE's main guy in mid-90's, and as many people have said, he carried the company on his shoulders and held it all together. I do honestly believe that if Shawn haden't had done such a good job with the title in 96, the WWE would of seriously struggled.

As for since he's returned he has had a ton of incredible matches and is still highly regarded as one of the very best in the company today. He is still able to carry anybody and make them look great. His most important example was probably Cena at Wrestlemania 23, where he and John had a great match, mostly because Shawn did a number of things that made John look better.

 

[Christian Battlez]

I'l say this while Micheals may have been an egomaniac you gotta look at this. Lawrence Taylor was put in the Hall of Fame because of one WM moment. Thats rediculous. If a football player can get put in then Micheals sure as hell deserves a spot. Its hard to use accomplishments and titles as facts to consider why someone deserves to be in the HOF because wrestling is scripted. On that same front though they have to trust you alot to give you that many championships throughout your career. Lets face it Shawn was the workhorse for years. Ratings werent down because of Micheals they were down because it wasnt till Austin beat HBK at Mania 14 that the Attitude Era was truly ushered in and thats when wrestling and its ratings were at their peak. You can try to say that was because HBK finally lost the strap all you want. But you know thats horseshit. Micheals will get in the HOF we all know that. The fact that your argument about him not deserving to be in is proposterous considering he wrestled right BEFORE wrestling's boom period. His drawing power against the stars of the attitude era isnt a fair assesment to make.

PS: Becca you know its not fair to say Eddie only got in the HOF because he died. He got in because he oodled charisma just like your boy SHawn. Its about being an entertainer not about titles and accomplishments.Which Eddie had quite a few of as well.

 

[crapamaniac]

its good to see the hbk and hart fans still cant let it go....! but reading this thread surely just shows us how incompetent the hof system is I personnally think its bullshit they have got some right and some wrong but getting back to hbk i find my self agreeing with almost all the points fired back and forth and i remember when he was first in the rockers they were pretty good to watch but there was always better tag teams around so he didnt really hit the peak of tag team wrestling i remember they won the titles of the hart foundation but then had to give them back or something, anyway after he kicked jannetty through the barber shop window and turned to singles i can remember he was just a mid with a bit of heat who was only challenging the ic title for quite a while when he did get to the top i have to agree that the company was at a low ebb because all the top stars had left and were at wcw which is why they got them ratings which also proves that he wasnt as big as them, I also dont think hart carried the company top spot well and as average as hbk is on the mic hart makes him sound like martin luther king.
they both helped to devalue the quality the company was turning out by the way they both were in and out of the ring and having average opponents at the time didnt help, when hbk got the title he needed his 4 pals around him all the time cos he was hated that much, this is a guy whose ego comes before anything including the fans and the company remember the msg incident and when he was fucked he still had to be the commissioner he just couldnt leave.
Although i agree hbk was and still is entertaining, and he has helped participate and carry some great matches and he has main evented plenty wrestlemanias but look at others that have done the same, Rick rude carried his fued with warrior for nearly 2 years in fact he helped create the warrior to who he was just with his quality and style
Randy savage he main evented loads of wrestlemania`s and other ppv`s and his in ring ability is surely better than micheals
I think this thread or the question Milk is asking is hbk one of the greatest wrestlers in history?
he is great for the company
he is great for the fans in the crowd at the live shows
he is great advertising the longivity of the game
but he isnt and never will be one of the greatest wrestlers in history
he is a good wrestler who makes a great living
(but he`ll definately get put in the hof, LOL)

 

[Ryanhitman316]

No matter how much I don't like HBK. I do believe he should be in the Hall of Fame. I mean he has a long history in the WWE with the Undertaker. He had his classic matches with many wrestlers. I do agree that Bret carry his matches well but remember sometimes it takes 2.