Shawn Michaels doesn't deserve place in Hall of Fame??

[ad21k]

I'm probably going to get a crap load of red rep for this one. While Shawn did carry the company back in '96, he did so at the lowest ratings WWE has ever had.

It might have something to do with Hulk Hogan turning heel and the NWO, if you want to blame someone for the poor ratings back then, blame WWE for A)Not ensuring Hogan stayed with them and B)Not having booking that could compete with WCW's 'giveaway' way of booking, where they would give PPV standard matches away for free.

While he was a technically sound wrestler and put on some good matches with Hart, i personally believe, Hart carried the matches, charisma, and made them 5 stars (if they even were 5 star matches.)

Hart carried the matches?! Hart is the most overated champion of all time. The myth that Bret Hart was the greatest wrestler of all time stems from canadian marks who could not get over the fact that WWE didn't need him. Look at him in WCW, you can blame bad booking there but even when joined WCW he wasnt a draw for them. Hart was often boring, struggled to entertain fans, and cut some by god awful promos. Hart was a good wrestler, but to say he was a draw and HBK was not is silly, if you read between the lines who was Hart feuding with when he got the best ratings? HBK and Austin... People tuned into his matches not to see his slow unentertaining matches but rather to see his opponents, Austin obviously was the hottest thing WWE had during his feud with Hart, and HBK always got a superior reaction to Hart whether heel or face.

When Shawn left the WWF, WWF finally started winning the Monday Night Wars. His amazingly huge ego, wouldnt allow anyone to go over on him. Thus not allowing anyone new into the Main Event picture, which bored people to death. Once he left, the stage was set, Austin, Hart, Rock took over, and BAM WWF/E wins the war a few years later, coincidence, I think not.

What about Hart's blatent ego and refusal to obbey orders from his boss? Is that model behaviour? Austin reached the main event before HBK got injured, and Hart was feuding with HBK so I am not really sure what your argument here is.

When Shawn came back, he was FAR from his former self (wrestling ability wise) and has put on maybe one good match. (Wrestlemania 19 with Chris Jericho.) Shawn Micheals, deserves his spot in the hall of fame, about as much as I do in the WZ hall of fame (which is about 0 on a scale of 1-10.)

1 good match?! what a ludicrous statement

HBK v HHH?
HBK v Jericho??
HBK v Angle???
HBK v Cena?!?!?

Not just great matches, great feuds as well.

 

[Khalifa]

No way in hell he should be left out of the WWE HOF. He deserves it so much. It's hard for one man to compete against hogan/nash/sting/goldberg/flair/henning/NWO isn't it. no one else would of done better than shawn at drawing the ratings at that time. he would of done better than both Jeff hardy and Cena right now at drawing the ratings ( popularity wise, not skill wise).

With his matches against bret hart they were all both sided. They both carried the load at some point during the matches. I must admit at wrestlemania shawn did carry bret hart because therre is no way Hart was so fit he could do the whole match.

HBK as put on several good matches since he has came back. WM19, judgement day 2008 vs chris jericho. Heck his last man standign match with Triple H was't that bad. i would list more but i can't be bothered.

HBK= HOFer

 

[Milkyway!]

Meh all posing good arguements, while i still stand that HBK shouldnt go into the HOF neither should many of the others that are in it, be in it. HBK was the worst champion, of all time, hands down. Ratings stooped lower than ever with him champion, and if that deserves a HOF spot then so be it. While he has put on some good to great matches, so have the likes of a lot of indy wrestlers, TNA wrestlers etc, they are not getting their HOF spot. While I (now) agree, HBK deserves a HOF spot, he dose not, by anymeans deserve a glorified one, he should be right in there on that list, of whose in it, that deserves not to be.

I noticed someone said mae young dosent deserve in the hall of fame. I guess being Fabulous Muhlah's biggest rival for decades, and a founder of what we call divas today, dosent deserve it then, do they??

 

[ad21k]

HBK was the worst champion, of all time, hands down.

Another ludirous statement, how can you even suggest HBK was in someway the worst champion in WWE history?

Khali
Sid
Rey Mysterio
RVD
Goldberg
CM Punk
Diesel
Undertaker
Big Show

Just to name a few downright pathetic title reigns that spring to mind.

 

[Milkyway!]

Lol at you?

Diesel/Undertaker/Big show/Goldberg/RVD/Rey/Sid were hugely over during their reigns...Shawn had the title in which times were bad for the WWE and it was all Shawns fualt, he couldnt put on a show, to keep up with that of Nitros, which falls to being his fualt.....Ratings dropped to worst theyve ever been....which is enough to say, he was the worst.

 

[klunderbunker]

And you yourself make the argument for Shawn. He's the worst champion of all time? Let's play devil's advocate and say you're right (which you're not). He's still a four time world champion. What that means is that foud times, the company has felt he was the top guy. He didn't have the best title reigns, but you'll be hard pressed to find someone that agrees that never being a champion is more impressive than being a bad champion. Shawn was a bad champion, but at the end of the day he was a multiple time champion. When it comes to the HOF, there's no way to determine a good title reign or a bad title reign. All that matters is the number of title reigns, which in this case there's a short list ahead of him.

 

[klunderbunker]

Lol at you?

Diesel/Undertaker/Big show/Goldberg/RVD/Rey/Sid were hugely over during their reigns...Shawn had the title in which times were bad for the WWE and it was all Shawns fualt, he couldnt put on a show, to keep up with that of Nitros, which falls to being his fualt.....Ratings dropped to worst theyve ever been....which is enough to say, he was the worst.

This right here shows where you're wrong. Shawn was champion in 96 and 97. The NWO was running wild during a lot of that time. During Shawn's run, the whol company was down. No one could have beaten WCW at that point. WCW was simply better. Shawn was the top guy in WWF at the time, but he wasn't going to be able to save the company on his own. Austin's reign wouldn't have saved it either had WCW not messed up Starrcade 97. People wanted to go watch WWF then. Anyone could have been champion and the ratings would ahve at least gone up. This is where your argument is just wrong.

 

[Milkyway!]

I remember as a younger child, I personally watch all of WWF till it was time for the Main Event. Then i just switched over, watched WCW. Because, even then, i realized it then that WWF's (i think they called it war zone during that time) was sucky compared to that of WCW's. While I did not know at the time it was Shawn's fualt. I still realized it. Now that ive gotten a little older, and hear about Shawns AMAZINGLY LARGE ego, not putting ANYONE over, it quenched the WWF's chances, but notice as soon as he left, ratings popped, the Main Event got good, and WWF won the war, blaim WCW's booking, or not.

 

[klunderbunker]

After this, until you make sense, I won't be arguing with you anymore. This is simply ignoring aspects of history. We're going to ignore the Screwjob, the NWO, and Starrcade 97 apparently to let you be correct. None of those things had any impact on all of WCW's ratings being so high. Shawn somehow managed to get people to stop watching WWF and get them all to watch the competition. So, when Taker was champion that whole summer and Shawn wasn't wrestling for the most part and ratings stayed the same, that was Shawn's fault too, right?

 

[jmt225]

You know, not to long ago I had this huge argument with someone who idiotically claimed that Troy Aikman didn't deserve to be in the Football Hall of Fame. And never, did I ever expect that ******ation to be topped when it comes to who should be in what Hall of Fame, but claiming that Shawn Michaels doesn't deserve to be in the WWE Hall of Fame does indeed top the Troy Aikman guy.

Listen, even if you don't like HBK's work, you cannot deny what the man has given to the company. So he wasn't the top draw... who fucking cares? He killed himself every night for that company. And back then when he was on top in the mid nineties, they worked a lot more and a lot harder then the main event guys of today. That ALONE is enough reason to put this man in the HOF.

Another legitimate reason is that though his ratings as champ might be all that great, he still has a HUGE fan following that would just go ape shit if HBK were never put in the WWE Hall of Fame. So, there's reason number 2.

Reason number 3 would just be the fact that he has as many legendary matches in WWE as ANYONE. How could WWE ever keep a guy out of their Hall of Fame who has put on as many classic as Shawn has?

God, I could go on for days here, but this is just too ridiculous. I like most of your post Kellykellyisexy and I sure as hell agree with your name, but I know deep down you cannot mean all this shit.

 

[Milkyway!]

You know, not to long ago I had this huge argument with someone who idiotically claimed that Troy Aikman didn't deserve to be in the Football Hall of Fame. And never, did I ever expect that ******ation to be topped when it comes to who should be in what Hall of Fame, but claiming that Shawn Michaels doesn't deserve to be in the WWE Hall of Fame does indeed top the Troy Aikman guy.

Cool.

Listen, even if you don't like HBK's work, you cannot deny what the man has given to the company. So he wasn't the top draw... who fucking cares? He killed himself every night for that company. And back then when he was on top in the mid nineties, they worked a lot more and a lot harder then the main event guys of today. That ALONE is enough reason to put this man in the HOF.

You should have just went with the "look at everyone else in the HOF arguement" its the only one working....Yup, I'm sure they worked harder, seeing as how he never wrestled anyone good, at all, other than Bret Hart, who wasnt all he was cracked up to be either. Just a great technical sound wrestler, hey, kinda like HBK if you really think about it.

Another legitimate reason is that though his ratings as champ might be all that great, he still has a HUGE fan following that would just go ape shit if HBK were never put in the WWE Hall of Fame. So, there's reason number 2.

Rocky Balboa has a huge fan base, no one is going ape shit wile that he dosent have his HOF spot in classic movies >.>

Reason number 3 would just be the fact that he has as many legendary matches in WWE as ANYONE. How could WWE ever keep a guy out of their Hall of Fame who has put on as many classic as Shawn has?

Yeah? Really? Name one. Please, and ill show you the youtube video, break it down for you, and show you how Bret Hart carried him through everyone of those matches, without Bret's ability to sell HBK sucks, badly. It made HBK RIDICULOUSLY overrated.

God, I could go on for days here, but this is just too ridiculous. I like most of your post Kellykellyisexy and I sure as hell agree with your name, but I know deep down you cannot mean all this shit.

When it comes to the HOF WWE has going, he deserves it, but if it were a legit HOF like im talking about, he deserves to be kicked to the curb. Never, ever, to be seen again.
KB posted this

What that means is that foud times, the company has felt he was the top guy. He didn't have the best title reigns, but you'll be hard pressed to find someone that agrees that never being a champion is more impressive than being a bad champion

In the famous words of the redneck boy at my school you are wrong, R-O-N-G wrong. Four times, he was top dog, over a bunch of nobodies, and an injured Bret Hart, 4 times, he put on a horrible show, and 4 times, he lost the belt after an overrated, sucky, title reign.

 

[Milkyway!]

HBK v HHH?
HBK v Jericho??
HBK v Angle???
HBK v Cena?!?!?

These matches were all pretty disgusting, and the film deserves to be burned..

I mean for real, HHH?? When has he ever really put on a good WRESTLING match (not show people, he puts on one of the best shows in the business.) Im asuming your talking about this past fued with Jericho, where Jericho held every card in the deck, played every card, and Shawn just showed up and rode Jericho's wave, right? Angle = same as Jericho. Did you really just say Cena/HBK was a good match? I'll ignore that, i really will, they had NO in ring charisma, what so ever.

 

[jmt225]

You should have just went with the "look at everyone else in the HOF arguement" its the only one working....Yup, I'm sure they worked harder, seeing as how he never wrestled anyone good, at all, other than Bret Hart, who wasnt all he was cracked up to be either. Just a great technical sound wrestler, hey, kinda like HBK if you really think about it.

Never wrestled anyone good? So The Undertaker wasn't good? Scott Hall wasn't good? Curt Hennig wasn't good? Mick Foley wasn't good? British Bulldog wasn't good?

Fuck dude, if those guys aren't good to you, then who in the hell do you consider to be good at pro wrestling?

Rocky Balboa has a huge fan base, no one is going ape shit wile that he dosent have his HOF spot in classic movies >.>

WTF? There is no Hall of Fame for movies.

The Academy Awards is basically the most prestigious thing you can receive in the film industry, and guess what? Rocky won one, and was nominated for a couple of others. And you know why? Because Rocky was a great movie, just as HBK is/was a great wrestler.

Yeah? Really? Name one. Please, and ill show you the youtube video, break it down for you, and show you how Bret Hart carried him through everyone of those matches, without Bret's ability to sell HBK sucks, badly. It made HBK RIDICULOUSLY overrated.

You cannot be serious. HBK has had great matches against Marty Jannetty, the British Bulldog, Razor Ramon, Owen Hart, Mankind, Undertaker, Jeff Jarrett, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Cena and the list goes on and on and on and on. Seriously, the guy carried Sid and Nash to their greatest matches ever.

HBK has had PLENTY of great matches. Your opinion that he hasn't isn't going to be shared by anyone with half a fucking brain in their head.

Oh, and since you want to insist that those matches are shit, what matches to you are any good? Please give me a list of your top ten greatest matches of all time. That should be a hoot.

When it comes to the HOF WWE has going, he deserves it, but if it were a legit HOF like im talking about, he deserves to be kicked to the curb. Never, ever, to be seen again.

HBK deserves to be in ANY wrestling Hall of Fame and when it's all said and done, I guarantee he will have a spot in all of them. And you know why? Because he is/was a fantastic wrestler. Point fucking blank.

 

[Big Sexy]

I mean for real, HHH?? When has he ever really put on a good WRESTLING match (not show people, he puts on one of the best shows in the business.) Im asuming your talking about this past fued with Jericho, where Jericho held every card in the deck, played every card, and Shawn just showed up and rode Jericho's wave, right? Angle = same as Jericho. Did you really just say Cena/HBK was a good match? I'll ignore that, i really will, they had NO in ring charisma, what so ever.

So basically you're arguing that every single good match HBK was in, he was carried by his opponent, and those matches were good in spite of HBK. Wow, that is a horrible argument. And how can you say the HBK vs Cena matches weren't good. Did you see their WM 23 match? Did you see their match on RAW a couple weeks later? Because those were two very good matches. It seems to me that you just don't like HBK and are looking for any reason ( no matter how stupid it is) to tear him apart.

 

[DC24]

Shawn will get in unless he pisses in Vinces coffee. If Rocky Johnson is in the hOF HBK deserves it. He's better than alot of people in there but Savage deserves to be in alot more than Michaels but we all know Savage will never get in. HBK-oholic don't ever say HBK is the reason the WWF is as big as it is right now thats just disrespectful to Hulk Hogan and Stone Cold, The Rock and Andre. Never has Shawn ever been the most popular or biggest draw in the WWF.

 

[The Big Gunnzbowski]

Why is this even an issue? Ric Flair is in the hall of fame. Somebody apparently thought highly enough of Shawn to make him Ric Flair's last professional opponent.

Shawn Michaels has ALWAYS had charisma. If he didn't, you wouldn't love him OR hate him... You'd be indifferent.

Ratings...have nothing to do with Shawn Michaels. Please don't bring them to the table.

Let's be honest here. People are nominated for the hall of fame BASED on their accomplishments, achievements, and in ring ability... Which we all know he has done many things, and can carry a match like few others... All the reasons you gave for him NOT getting a spot in the HoF, actually have nothing to do with his qualifications for securing himself that spot in the HoF. You may want to rethink some of the stuff you said... While I respect you for speaking your mind, your view is a bit skewed...

Shawn Michaels WILL get into the HoF. Quote me...

 

[HBK-aholic]

When it comes down to how he achieved them, and when he did it No, he does not.

And why's that?

Yup, because we ALL know that its all down to skill as a wrestler?

So go on, enlighten me, what was it down to?

You prove my next point I was going to give you, When compared to other stars, Shawn, FLOPS. In my opinion, HBK is nothing more, than a glorified Upper mid-carder. With compitition, Shawn just cant hang at the top. Want examples?

1.) WcW When Shawn had the title, no one watched WWE during that time, eyes were glued upon the screen of WCW, which isnt looking good for Shawn.

I'm not saying he was the best when it comes to drawing viewers, however, once again, certainly good eno0ugh to be in the Hall of fame.

2.) Shawn hasnt had a title run since 2002. Your probably going to put up the arguement "He dosent need a title run, its his time to put people over." Its HHH's time to put people over, hes doing a dang good job at staying on top tho, isnt he?

This is bullshit. What would people say if he WAS champion? "He's holding people back" - much the same rubbish Triple H gets. Do you want to know why Shawn hasn't held the title since? Because he told Vince he doesn't want it.

DX days he was being carried, a crapload by the likes of HHH (If your talking about his most recent DX run that is.) Put him toe-to-toe with a guy like Chris Jericho, on the mic, he fails, profusely hands down.

Carried? That's actually laughable. Shawn is just as talented as Triple H on the mic. And what about beforehand? When he was alone doing great promos, who carried him then?

Not true. Ratins = Money, Money = good for business. Shawn = No ratings, No ratings = No money, No money = Bad for business.

Once again, stop being naive, are you telling me if WCW hadn't been as good as it was the ratings would still have been the same? I'd love to see the stars of today against competition such as WCW.

Because, not everyone thats good at their job deserves a spot in the HOF. My mother is one of the best teachers in Hamblen County, shes recieved teacher of the year, twice. But guess what, Shes not going to make it into the HOF. Going by what you just said, shes good at her job, and damn good at it, why no hall of fame?

You're being completely contradictory. If you say he's a damn good entertainer and wrestler, there is no reason for him not to be inducted into the HOF. It's as simple as that.

Most of them are Dead, which made them tons of money, idk what it is, but dead people attract money. (example, Eddie Gurrerro/Curt Hennings) The others are mega stars, you shouldn't need examples for that. The others held a great hold on history, and kept a little something alive (examples, The Wild Samoans, the tag team division thrived upon the for YEARS)

So as long as Shawn dies he'll get a spot?

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

HBK is going to get in to the HOF for being one of the most over guys in history of the company and for dedicating over 20 years to WWE alone, not to mention all his accomplishments before then. Forget how, why, when, and what else was going on while he was doing his thing, but Vince still gave him the ball to run with and probably doesn't think he mad e amistake. Vince will consider HBK to be one of HIS best creations, and will show his appreciation to Michael for not making Vince look stupid for having faith in him, by inducting him into the HOF.

Hell, if Hogan who testified against Vince in a federal court, and Bret Hart can get in despite all that those 2 have been through with each other, it's pretty much guaranteed that HBK is getting in. So fuck what we all think, it's going to happen.

 

[Tim]

HBK will be in the hall of fame. Anybody who knows anything about wrestling knows Shawn Michaels. He has the skills and charisma, he can work a crowd. He was the first Grand Slam champion, and he's held countless titles. He almost always puts on a great match, and he does not have to be carried through a match. He's one of the most entertaining wrestlers in the world at the moment, and has always been pretty high up on that list. I don't see why Shawn would not be in the hall of fame.

And as has been mentioned, the Hall of Fame means shit all right now. For gods sake, we have celebrity inductees like William Perry and Pete Rose in the WWE Hall of Fame! Anybody who's been a big name, or been in the business a long time will get in, and there are also some other ways people get in. And Shawn has been in the business a long time, and he's a big name. He's checked the boxes. Of course Shawn's going to get in.

 

[Milkyway!]

And why's that?

Lets look at Shawns reigns, the first one that comes to mine, and obviously everyone elses, the screwjob, which wasnt supposed to happen, but because of Shawn's(and Vince's) abnormally large ego, they wouldnt allow Bret to go in peace which is foolish, the screwjob generated tons of heat, and still does everynow and then in Toronto. Without the screwjob, Shawn Micheals wouldnt be anywhere near as overrated, which once again, Bret Hart caused, and carried.

So go on, enlighten me, what was it down to?

In a legit HOF? Money. Simple as that, which Shawn can't pull.

Carried? That's actually laughable. Shawn is just as talented as Triple H on the mic. And what about beforehand? When he was alone doing great promos, who carried him then?

I missed these "great" promos, i really did. The only good promo I've ever heard come from Shawn was "I have lost my smile." The only reason it was so good, because I was excited to see him go.

Once again, stop being naive, are you telling me if WCW hadn't been as good as it was the ratings would still have been the same? I'd love to see the stars of today against competition such as WCW.

Seeing as how, WCW was 10-15 years ago, and were in today, why do we need to even worry about this? If they somehow managed to travel in time to get here, then we'd have a problem.

You're being completely contradictory. If you say he's a damn good entertainer and wrestler, there is no reason for him not to be inducted into the HOF. It's as simple as that.

Into WWE's Hall of Fame, i suppose Shawn does deserve it, but if it were an honest to God legit Hall of Fame, HBK would not be allowed in.

So as long as Shawn dies he'll get a spot?

If HBK was reported dead tomorrow, then yes, he should get in. Why? At that time, his merchandise would go balistic, there would be a 1 year period where everyone did everything for HBK (we've seen it twice, its what happens, and its true.) And HBK would have actually had a meaningful year, where he actually made a dollar, otherwise, HBK shouldn't be getting in a legit HOF.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Lets look at Shawns reigns, the first one that comes to mine, and obviously everyone elses, the screwjob, which wasnt supposed to happen, but because of Shawn's(and Vince's) abnormally large ego, they wouldnt allow Bret to go in peace which is foolish, the screwjob generated tons of heat, and still does everynow and then in Toronto. Without the screwjob, Shawn Micheals wouldnt be anywhere near as overrated, which once again, Bret Hart caused, and carried.

I don't want this to turn into a Screwjob thread, so I won't say much. However, Shawn was going to be the next champion anyway, regardless of Bret dropping the belt that night, or forfeitting it and Shawn winning it in a tournament.

And you need to stop with the 'Bret carried Shawn' nonsense. They have had some great matches, and it would be stupid to put them down to Bret alone. This is exactly the type of Die-Hard Hart fan shit I've hard before, and it's pointless.

In a legit HOF? Money. Simple as that, which Shawn can't pull.

Key word right there hun.

I missed these "great" promos, i really did. The only good promo I've ever heard come from Shawn was "I have lost my smile." The only reason it was so good, because I was excited to see him go.

I knew you hated him. It's pretty obvious with your blind hatred and silly comments.

Seeing as how, WCW was 10-15 years ago, and were in today, why do we need to even worry about this? If they somehow managed to travel in time to get here, then we'd have a problem.

My point is Shawn was against competition the stars of today can only dream about. Hence why things are so different.

Into WWE's Hall of Fame, i suppose Shawn does deserve it, but if it were an honest to God legit Hall of Fame, HBK would not be allowed in.

Well it isn't a legit HOF. But for arguments sake, if you read my first post, where I list his achievements, you'll see he would easily get inducted into it.

If HBK was reported dead tomorrow, then yes, he should get in. Why? At that time, his merchandise would go balistic, there would be a 1 year period where everyone did everything for HBK (we've seen it twice, its what happens, and its true.) And HBK would have actually had a meaningful year, where he actually made a dollar, otherwise, HBK shouldn't be getting in a legit HOF.

You've turned a good argument silly here. People don't get into the HOF based on how many shirts they've sold. It doesn't work like that. Like him or not, he's one of the most over in the WWE, and has a list of achievements to prove it.

 

[Colamania]

I personally think he deserves a spot. Why shouldn't he? He's one of the all-time greats, and he's accomplished everything during his career. One of the best tag teams ever, broke out to become one of the biggest singles stars ever, first ever Grand Slam champion, multiple world titles. And the biggest praise of all, he managed to get 47 minutes of good television out of a John Cena match. That's a hell of a lot more than a lot of the current hall of famers have accomplished.

 

[FoleyIsGod]

HBK will be in the Hall of Fame for sure.

For one, his best buddy/bumfriend Triple H practically runs the WWE (through) Steph, and although its entirely upto Vince, im sure he will have his arm twsited by Steph.

Another reason is that HBK IS the WWE. Even if he had a 4 year break fromit, everyone knows HBK from his exploits in the WWE. Yea, he started elsewhere, the AWA i think, but all his accomplishments were in the WWe.

I personally don't like the whiney little shit, but he can wrestle, even with a dodgy back

 

[Milkyway!]

I don't want this to turn into a Screwjob thread, so I won't say much. However, Shawn was going to be the next champion anyway, regardless of Bret dropping the belt that night, or forfeitting it and Shawn winning it in a tournament.

And you need to stop with the 'Bret carried Shawn' nonsense. They have had some great matches, and it would be stupid to put them down to Bret alone. This is exactly the type of Die-Hard Hart fan shit I've hard before, and it's pointless.

Agreed, lets not turn this into a screwjob thread.

I dont like Bret Hart actually, Hes just like Shawn in my opinion. Overrated, just because he is technically sound wrestler.

Key word right there hun.

Did you just call me hun? Grr baby Grr.

As i myself said in an earlier post.
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When it comes to the HOF WWE has going, he deserves it, but if it were a legit HOF like im talking about, he deserves to be kicked to the curb. Never, ever, to be seen again.

I knew you hated him. It's pretty obvious with your blind hatred and silly comments.

Nah, I just realized he was holding down the Main Event. Once again, notice, as soon as Shawn left. Ratings arose.

My point is Shawn was against competition the stars of today can only dream about. Hence why things are so different.

Why couldn't they? I'm pretty sure if WCW was still around, we would have MUCH better wrestling. Compitition, creates cash. Monopolys suck balls.

Well it isn't a legit HOF. But for arguments sake, if you read my first post, where I list his achievements, you'll see he would easily get inducted into it.

Batista has done more in the past 3 1/2 years, than Shawn Micheals has in a decade and a half. If Batista quits tomorrow, by your standereds, he deserves in the legit HOF.

You've turned a good argument silly here. People don't get into the HOF based on how many shirts they've sold. It doesn't work like that. Like him or not, he's one of the most over in the WWE, and has a list of achievements to prove it.

Why is this silly? Because your love for Shawn Micheals blinds you from his never doing anything Main event healthy for anyone, or anything In the WWF/E. He refused to put people over for years. Ratings failed while he was champion. Shawn could'n't accept that kept trying, and kept failing. If that is truly worth HOF, then so be it.

 

[thepoo62]

This is dumb... HBK is an icon.. I personally think he sucked as a human being for a long time and totally screwed a lot of good guys but he is for sure a legend and will be in the Hall of Fame faster than you can say "Ladder Match". Can we close this dumb topic already?