Shawn Michaels doesn't deserve place in Hall of Fame??

[supergav67]

Its always going to be a bit iffy when HBKs best run was WWFs lowest point,DespitE the fact he brought in the ladder match,HiaC,DX & ,if you say he made Bret seam charismatic ,he musta stunk on the mic.Chief prick or not,the others hated the guy with the title?-at the end of the day,,Surprise?-not!
But you know the bottom line.Vince liked him enough to keep him on in GM,ref,reporter roles when his career seamed over.No sooner did he get back ,he got A title.he allegedly has locker room influence (thanks god!) ,& he,s H,s best mate.Is he going in ,well Duh Yeah! in bigger style than Flair ever got III bet.Whether he deserves it or not is up to Whose your fav.But you know like Taker & H,he,s going in,regardless..

 

[gz9]

shawn is without a doubt heading directly to HOF, hes the greatest wrestler of all time and thats saying a lot considering im a huge flair fan!! hes had 5* matches his entire career and makes even the most average wrestler (jbl, cena to name a few) look great!

hes beaten the best and even at 43 is still giving "follow that" performances! for me theres no-one that can touch him (taker, stonecold, trip included!) if last year flair got himself a wing at the hall of fame(as per trips induction speech) then hbk should have his own castle at the hall of fame!!

 

[Scott Free]

Listen, if the WWE is putting people in the HOF like Verne Gagne, who I seriously doubt ever even worked for the WWE or directly helped their business, then Michaels deserves to be in it too. I don't even know if it's such a great honor anyway, William Perry is in it for Pete's sake !

 

[WrestlingHistorian]

I'm probably going to get a crap load of red rep for this one. While Shawn did carry the company back in '96, he did so at the lowest ratings WWE has ever had. While he was a technically sound wrestler and put on some good matches with Hart, i personally believe, Hart carried the matches, charisma, and made them 5 stars (if they even were 5 star matches.) When Shawn left the WWF, WWF finally started winning the Monday Night Wars. His amazingly huge ego, wouldnt allow anyone to go over on him. Thus not allowing anyone new into the Main Event picture, which bored people to death. Once he left, the stage was set, Austin, Hart, Rock took over, and BAM WWF/E wins the war a few years later, coincidence, I think not. When Shawn came back, he was FAR from his former self (wrestling ability wise) and has put on maybe one good match. (Wrestlemania 19 with Chris Jericho.) Shawn Micheals, deserves his spot in the hall of fame, about as much as I do in the WZ hall of fame (which is about 0 on a scale of 1-10.)

Polls open: until 1/15/09

There are competitors in the HOF who did a lot less than Shawn did in their careers, Shawn definatly deserves his spot in the HOF. The Hall is not just for those who gained the company ratings throughout the years you know, it's for those who gave all they had to the sport and for those who have had decorated careers. Shawn will get in there someday.....

 

[Chrisjeffers]

Shawn micheals is a legend and has every right to be in the hall of fame.... 3-5 years ago!
the one thing that will tarnish his career is the fact that he won't step down gracefully!

Gotta be in the spot light!
Soon we will get so sick of him and stop buying his merch!
Then when he joins the HOF no one will care! NOt that we do now... but point remains!

Shawn Micheals had his time.
You know when your friend is over but he won't leave even though its really late and you have to tell him to leave. Its awkward...
Mikeal shawn hickenbottom!
It's time to go home!

 

[WrestlingHistorian]

Shawn micheals is a legend and has every right to be in the hall of fame.... 3-5 years ago!
the one thing that will tarnish his career is the fact that he won't step down gracefully!

Gotta be in the spot light!
Soon we will get so sick of him and stop buying his merch!
Then when he joins the HOF no one will care! NOt that we do now... but point remains!

Shawn Micheals had his time.
You know when your friend is over but he won't leave even though its really late and you have to tell him to leave. Its awkward...
Mikeal shawn hickenbottom!
It's time to go home!

I most certainly disagree with this statement, Shawn is in the limelight because people keep cheering for him, it's his popularity not his ego in this situation. HBK has put over many people in his career and it's been YEARS since he has won a championship, he does not need to be a champion or in the main event anymore and he isn't. Shawn is in a good place right now and he will be honored with a HOF induction within the next few years and it will be a sweet, sweet time for him.

 

[notorious102]

I did get my facts straight, I actually said what was said on the DVD. You've just come out and said that Shawn said it in his autobiography. Untill its been copied and pasted infront of me, I will refuse to believe you. Triple H said on the DVD that he was pissed off with both Kevin and Scott for leaving and told them "Not to come crying back!".

And anyways, so what if he did actually want to move, does that really stop him from being a WWE Hall of Famer?



Good to know, care to explain why you believe this instead of just jumping into a convo without reading it firstly?

Well go read his book & then come back & tell me that you got your facts straight. & I never said that he shouldn't get in becuz he tried going to WCW. That's the most ridiculous thing i heard. He is going in. But if he said one thing in his DVD & a different thing in his autobiography book, than all I can do i LMAO!

 

[gers09]

hell yeah he done a lot for wwe there prob be no dx if wasnt for shawn no1 for hhh to bounce off in the old dx so hh might not have became the star he is today he helped stone cold as well and when he "lost his smile" you heard it from vince's mouth no champ had worked the schedule or harder that hbk did and your sayin he shouldnt be in hall of fame

 

[HBK-aholic]

Shawn micheals is a legend and has every right to be in the hall of fame.... 3-5 years ago!
the one thing that will tarnish his career is the fact that he won't step down gracefully!

Gotta be in the spot light!
Soon we will get so sick of him and stop buying his merch!
Then when he joins the HOF no one will care! NOt that we do now... but point remains!

Shawn Micheals had his time.
You know when your friend is over but he won't leave even though its really late and you have to tell him to leave. Its awkward...
Mikeal shawn hickenbottom!
It's time to go home!

This statement is Bullshit and you know it. Shawn still puts on some of the best matches on the show. His match with The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 25 is widely thought of as the best of the night. His feud with Jericho less than a year ago was the feud of the year. We wouldn't have these things if Shawn retired. He's also not 'in the spotlight' as you like to assume. Do you want to tell me when his last World Title reign was?

 

[Blade]

I'm slightly baffled by the claims that HBK has to be in the spotlight.
It's usually the world champions of their respective shows that tend to have the spotlight on them, isn't it? And last time HBK was a world champion was 2002. And that was for a month.
And even when he does have the spotlight on him, it's not because he demands it. It's because he deserves it for putting on a great performance like against Undertaker. Would you rather he put on average matches just so he can avoid the spotlight? Even if you did, he can't do that. Because that means pretending to be average at the thing he does best.

Of course he deserves a place. Anyone who carries a company (well, if the company doesn't go under) deserves a place in the hall of fame. Consistantly being the biggest draw and putting on the best matches and being just generally entertaining for a substantial period of time in a major companies' existance deserves a place in the hall of fame. And his personal problems simply should not be an issue, especially since he managed to sort them out.

 

[The Big Gunnzbowski]

Shawn micheals is a legend and has every right to be in the hall of fame.... 3-5 years ago!
the one thing that will tarnish his career is the fact that he won't step down gracefully!

Gotta be in the spot light!
Soon we will get so sick of him and stop buying his merch!
Then when he joins the HOF no one will care! NOt that we do now... but point remains!

Shawn Micheals had his time.
You know when your friend is over but he won't leave even though its really late and you have to tell him to leave. Its awkward...
Mikeal shawn hickenbottom!
It's time to go home!

To put it simply...You're out of your damn mind... NOTHING will tarnish his career short of killing somebody during a match because he was on drugs.... Otherwise, HBK is a legend in the modern era. Argue it as you will, but he will be in the HoF before you know it. HBK is a modern legend and you'll see it happen LONG before you think you will... Keep running that mouth... Watch what happens.

 

[Scott Free]

This whole thread is nonsense, while good points are being made on both sides, there's no arguing over the fact that HBK will be in the WWE HOF. Even Bret Hart would agree he deserves to be in there. I'm not a big fan of HBK as a person, but there's no denying he puts 110% out there each and every time he performs, doesn't matter if he drew or if he was popular with the boys, his work ethics alone make him worthy of the HOF.

Peace out.

 

[Razor]

Holy bumpage Batman.

Does Shawn Michaels deserve a Hall of Fame spot? Sure. Why not. He's been very influential to the business, and at least attempted to carry Raw on his shoulders. The ratings more than sorta fell when he was champ, but meh. At least he tried. And he was routinely entertaining. Which is really all you need in the business.

However, the Shawn Michaels of today? The Shawn Michaels that half-asses it more than he doesn't? The Shawn Michaels who has turned into a blubbering wreck? His last two big feuds, JBL and Jericho, saw him literally crying every Raw. And the matches? Cry, cry, Superkick. Ugh.

But since when have wrestlers been inducted on their persona as it was today? If so, Flair should have never been nominated. My god he hit rock bottom. How many wrestlers would be in the Hall of Fame if we based it off of their final years in the business? Hogan?

 

[HBK-aholic]

However, the Shawn Michaels of today? The Shawn Michaels that half-asses it more than he doesn't? The Shawn Michaels who has turned into a blubbering wreck? His last two big feuds, JBL and Jericho, saw him literally crying every Raw. And the matches? Cry, cry, Superkick. Ugh.

This was the whole point of the feud, especially with JBL. Shawn was booked as a shell of a man, one who had to bend over backwards because he'd failed his family - something everyone knows how much Shawn loves. That's what his character was - and he obviously had you believing it. So I'd say this just shows how great he is, as opposed to anything else.

 

[Spunky]

If Shawn Michaels doesn't deserve to be in the hall of fame, Then neither does The Undertaker. The only thing Taker has done that HBK hasn't is the streak.

HBK has put on great matches for as long as he as been active, And done it consistantly. He's achieved as much as one man can do, And alot more than most of the current hall of fame.

 

[gers09]

what is the one thing shawn has done that hogan hasnt when shawn got to the point where the injuries were too much and he know he couldnt go on he steped out the limelight and left something hogan has never done i am not sayin this is the one and reason hbk should be in hall of fame they are lots of good reasons i am just sayin hogan is in hall of fame and yes he should be there hogan needs the limelight shawn has showin he can step down and away and let someone else have it even with him there now he showin it shawn brings in the fans yes but he will do what he has to do for the fans and for wwe and the jbl and y2j fueds showed that

 

[nthomas504]

I really don't understand why he wouldn't have a spot in the hall of fame. He was questionably the face of the WWF before Austin, he is a former World Champion, Mr. Wrestlemania, and one of the most beloved Fan Favorites in WWE History. I can't even remember the last Shawn Michael match that was less than incredible. Hell he even made JBL look good at NWO.

Does he deserve a spot in the WWE Hall of Fame, to me, Hell to the yea. Shawn is one of the only superstars who doesn't need a title to get by (unlike Triple H).

Without Shawn in the company, lets think of everything we won't have,

1. DX would have never been formed. Triple H would have been stuck with the stupid gimmick of the Fancy Hunter Hearst Hemsley. No X-Pac, Road Dog, etc.

2. Ladder Matches would have been as boring as they were when they were first introduced seeing as though Shawn and Ramon's match paved the way for how they were supposed to be.

3. Many superstars who hold Michaels as their inspiration in wrestling would may not have even joined the company, Chris Jericho, Jeff Hardy, John Cena, and Lance Cade all come to mind here.

As I will admit, maybe some good things might have come if Shawn didn't come but not as big.

Shawn is one of the greatest Wrestlers of all time. If you don't like that, they he might just have two words for ya.....but, if Classy Freddie Blassie can make it in the hall of fame, then there is no excuse for Shawn Michaels not to headline to class when he retires.

 

[Isaac Kaye]

I disagree, HBK wholly deserves his place in the Hall of Fame purely for how much he brought to the company in the mid 90's. He's never had to change his gimmick because it's so popular and durable, he's technically as good as anyone I've ever seen, and the crowd respond to him like no other.

I remember when he had to give away the IC belt through injury shortly before his push for the world title and the sympathy he got from the crowd was mindblowing. Damn, it was only the IC belt! HBK made that title seem important. Now the IC belt might as well be dead.

He also brought the best out of many wrestlers during the 90's. I remember he had a couple of matches with Goldust in 96 and Runnells never looked that good ever again. Same for Vader, Michaels made him look good.

The one thing I will say again HBK is that his ring work is a bit repetitive, and the whole 'coming back from the death' thing for me got a bit tiresome. But for a guy with that much ability and charisma I think he more than deserves his place in the Hall of Fame.

 

[Sasori]

WHAT!?
Ofcoure HBK deserves a spot on the Hall of Fame hes not Mr. Wrestlemania for no damn reason! And the fact that you say he only had good matches with Bret Hart in the '90s is absolute BOGUS! DID YOU SEE HIS LADDER MATCH WITH RAZOR RAMON!?!?!?! And you also think hes also pulled of one good match in this decade? Hmm lets see I can name a SHITLOAD of good HBK matches from this decade: HBK vs. Taker WM 25, HBK vs. Flair WM 24, HBK vs. Angle WM 21, HBK vs. Cena the RAW a day after WM 23, HBK vs. Jericho Ladder Match (I forgot PPV), HBK vs. Hogan SummerSlam '06, HBK vs. Shelton Benjamin on RAW, HBK vs. HHH Summer Slam, HBK vs. HHH Boot Camp Match for Tribute to the Troops, HBK vs. Benoit vs. HHH WM 20, shall I go on?
He also has GREAT achivements 3 time IC champ, 4 time tag champ, 3 time WWE champ, World Heavy Weight Champ, Triple Crown champ, European champ, Grandslam champ, NUMEROUS Slammy awards, plus the dude was won PWI best match of the year 9 TIMES!
EVERYTHING I said proves HBK belongs in the WWE HoF!
SUCK IT! XD

 

[repcommandos23]

When you said about "there is no competition for him" wouldn't that be the same reason the ratings were down? He kept the show afloat until Rock, Austin, and Foley came along. Even when they were there he still contributed highly to the show and has many memorable matches such as the Ric Flair retirement match, Razor Ramon ladder match, Undertaker against the streak, 2 of which had no titles on the line but were great anyway.

 

[Nate DaMac]

This thread is older than Shawn Michaels. To me its kind of unthinkable to leave him out of the hall of fame, considering he is one of the most popular and recognizable figures in wrestling. He is one of the best all time. The argument about the era in which he gained most of his popularity is heavily flawed, considering he blossomed in the same era as The Undertaker. Do you think he should be left out as well?

 

[JCE]

This thread is crazy. HBK is the man, he is hands down the best on the mic (the rock is a close 2nd) he plays to the crowd heel or face better than anyone, in the ring he's hands down the best at making you pay attention the whole time. Austin was said to be the best ever and was nowhere neer as well rounded as shawn,Austin said the same s*** on the mic over and over all the hell ya's and bottomlines got so old so fast Austin was never as good in the ring as shawn and never had as many big matches. Shawn is probably the only guy who could wrestle in a non gimmick match and still keep you on the edge of your seet the whole time without chairs or steel cages even at is age now ala taker shawn at mania. To say he dosent deserve the hall of fame is crap he deserves a hof ceremony byhimself with no other inducties.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

This thread is crazy. HBK is the man, he is hands down the best on the mic (the rock is a close 2nd) he plays to the crowd heel or face better than anyone, in the ring he's hands down the best at making you pay attention the whole time. Austin was said to be the best ever and was nowhere neer as well rounded as shawn,Austin said the same s*** on the mic over and over all the hell ya's and bottomlines got so old so fast Austin was never as good in the ring as shawn and never had as many big matches. Shawn is probably the only guy who could wrestle in a non gimmick match and still keep you on the edge of your seet the whole time without chairs or steel cages even at is age now ala taker shawn at mania. To say he dosent deserve the hall of fame is crap he deserves a hof ceremony byhimself with no other inducties.

1. Shawn Michaels is not the best ever on the mic. I'll put him behind Rock, Jericho, HHH, Undertaker, and maybe Austin.

2. You stated Austin said the same old stuff, but what did HBK say that anything new. Basically his mic work amounted to "I'm going to kick your teeth down your throat."

3. There are plenty of wrestlers who can perform great matches without gimmicks like Undertaker and Cena just to name a few.

4. In no way, shape, or form does he deserve a hall of fame ceremony by himself. He didn't revolutionize anything and he was a horrible world champion but a decent midcard champion. I would bet that when HBK gets inducted, Savage will get in as well and everybody will be looking more forward to Savage than HBK.

 

[HBK-aholic]

1. Shawn Michaels is not the best ever on the mic. I'll put him behind Rock, Jericho, HHH, Undertaker, and maybe Austin.

Maybe not The Undertaker, but I agree basically to the rest. Maybe equal to Jericho/HHH. But not the best.

2. You stated Austin said the same old stuff, but what did HBK say that anything new. Basically his mic work amounted to "I'm going to kick your teeth down your throat."

As someone who has seen basically every promo Shawn has ever used, I'll tell you this is bullshit. His promos are changed based on the feud and matches. They're not the same. If you need an example, look at the recent ones against first, JBL, then The Undertaker.

3. There are plenty of wrestlers who can perform great matches without gimmicks like Undertaker and Cena just to name a few.

PLEASE tell me you didn't just say The Undertaker doesn't have a gimmick.

4. In no way, shape, or form does he deserve a hall of fame ceremony by himself. He didn't revolutionize anything

Apart from Tag Team wrestling.

but a decent midcard champion.

Decent? He had the IC belt at a time more people began to care about that compared to the World title!

I would bet that when HBK gets inducted, Savage will get in as well and everybody will be looking more forward to Savage than HBK.

I doubt anyone will be more apprealing than HBK. He'll easily be the main name that year. Remember Flair's retirement ceremony? Shawn's will; blow that out of the water.

 

[FromTheSouth]

I don't know if I've ever posted in this thread.

Anyway, the idea that HBK doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame is ridiculous. He started DX, was the test bunny for Attitude for years. When Shawn became HBK, that was the beginning of the Attitude era. Slowly, characters evolved into edgier guys, but HBK's "Boy Toy" phase was what set the precedent. He got over doing, so the WWE loosened up.

He is a multiple time champion. He is a Triple Crown winner. Honestly, the WWE's letting him call himself Mr. Wrestlemania is a pretty big endorsement that he's getting in.

His mic work is top ten and his in ring work, at times, has been the best.

Royal Rumble?

He started DX, which also changed the game. That faction went straight at the nWo, and provided some of the best promos of the era.


He won the Iron Man Match, a match that many people feel is one of the best ever. This is only one of his great gimmick matches.

Ladders?


The resume speaks for itself. I think that both kayfabe and not, he has been a driving force in the business for over twenty years.