Shadowmancer's Wrestler of the Week

[Y 2 Jake]

He's terrible. Has been always. He's a huge guy. But he looks like a comedy character to me. The piercings don't work, the tattoos don't make him look intimidating, his names, now, past & present have all been terrible.

He's certainly improved since he was in WWE. But he's in Ja[pan where he has too. He was given a pretty solid push in WWE, yet he could never make the grade. It's because he just doesn't have it in him. Teaming him with Tomko was a good idea. Both are bland, but they have a similar look.

He'll never make it in America. But the Japanese go crazy for big Americans. Like Bison Smith, his popularity baffles me.

 

[Shadowmancer]

Yeah but Big Guys seem to get better after time in Japan. They get to work a stiffer style which makes them a more viable threat to look at when taking it into an American style. It looks more brutal. Umaga is a testament to what time in Japan can do for improving the big Guys. I personally Think that his matches in Japan make him a better wrestler quality wise than say his WWE run. I mean he got rid of the bloody Chest hair, the only thing scary about the chest hair is getting it out of your mouth after having to rub your face against in the course of performing a move against him. The Tattoos are Terrible it is like Tyson Tomko's tattoo migrated onto Giant Bernards body and forgot which side the back was.

 

[Father:_Polley]

The fact that a failed WWE wrestler is being taken seriously in Japan is proof it was the best move for him. he never looked comfortable not being allowed to work stiff and suffered for it, along with some awful gimmicks.
at least in Japan he can be the person he wants to be and wrestle his way

 

[klunderbunker]

Since Shadow is busy, I'm taking this over for awhile Hope it goes well

This week's Wrestler of the Week is William Regal

Finishing and signature moves
Regal Stretch (Arm trap cross-legged STF)
Power of the Punch (Left handed knockout punch with Brass knuckles)
Regal Cutter (Arm trap neckbreaker)
Regal Bomb (Double underhook powerbomb)
Multiple suplex variations
Regal-Plex (Leg hook belly to back suplex) - Innovated
Scoop or release exploder
Double underhook
Half nelson
Three-quarter nelson
Regal Roll (Rolling fireman's carry slam)
European uppercut
Double knee lift
Modified surfboard stretch
Bow and arrow submission
Pressing his knee onto an opponent's throat whilst pleading with the referee

Signature foreign object
Brass Knuckles
Managers
Sir William
Jeeves
Lady Ophelia
Fit Finlay

Wrestlers managed by William Regal
Tajiri
Christopher Nowinski
Eugene
Paul Burchill
King Booker
Dave Taylor
Fit Finlay
Jean-Paul Levesque

Wrestlers Trained by William Regal
Brian Kendrick
Bryan Danielson
CM Punk
Jade
Skye
Ashe
Chris Hero
Bobcat

Championships and accomplishments

Memphis Championship Wrestling
MCW Southern Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

Windy City Pro Wrestling
WCPW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

World Championship Wrestling
WCW World Television Championship (4 times)

World Wrestling Federation | World Wrestling Entertainment
WWF/E European Championship (4 times)
WWF Hardcore Championship (5 times)
WWF Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
World Tag Team Championship (4 times) - with Lance Storm (2), Eugene (1), and Tajiri (1)
King of the Ring (2008)

Matches

William Regal vs. CM Punk

William Regal vs. Jeff Hardy

William Regal vs. Chris Jericho

William Regal vs. Rey Mysterio

William Regal vs. RVD

William Regal vs. The Rock

Lord Steven Regal vs. Goldberg

Lord Steven Regal vs. Alex Wright

Steven Regal vs. Shinya Hashimoto Part 1
Steven Regal vs. Shinya Hashimoto Part 2

Austin/Regal vs. Anderson/Roma Part 1
Austin/Regal vs. Anderson/Roma Part 2

Lord Steven Regal vs. Fit Finlay

William Regal vs. Randy Orton

William Regal vs. HHH

William Regal vs. Chris Benoit

William Regal vs. JBL

William Regal vs. Ric Flair

William Regal vs. Chris Benoit

William Regal vs. Chris Jericho

Promos

William Regal, Tajiri and Steve Austin

William Regal- A Real Man

William Regal Joins the Kiss My Ass Club

William Regal and the Alliance

William Regal with Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Ron Simmons

William Regal and Chris Jericho

William Regal on being KOTR

William Regal on Hulk Hogan

My Thoughts

Regal is a very underappreciated worker in the business. He truly can do it all, from great chain wrestling to great brawling. His promos can be anywhere from deadly serious to hilarious. Despite some hardships in his life, he has managed to stay in the sport that he loves and thrives in and I for one am proud that he has cleaned up his life. Seeing him holding the Coke can during the Raw beer bash a few months ago was a sigh of relief for me. A truly great worker that may be getting his biggest push too late in his career.

 

[FlairFan2003]

You forgot to mention the series of scientific wrestling matches Regal had with Ric Flair in 1994. This was a best of 5 or best of 7 series, each match under very strict rules (no punches, closed fists, kicks), very technical stuff. Flair won the series (they were tied and the final match went to a draw, afterwards both agreed to continue the match till there was a winner and Flair won, I think with the figure four) but Regal won a couple of matches and was very entertaining here, showing real skill I doubt anyone believed he had.

 

[Lil Wes]

One word: Overrated. By his fellow countryman mostly.

I like him sorta, although you can't understand him for shit in his promos, and he's a midcarder for life, always has, always will be.

As a wrestler, he's just meh, I've never been impressed really. He's just average, he plays an on screen character so much better than he does as a wrestler and is usually the only time he can ever get over with the fans.

A truly great worker that may be getting his biggest push too late in his career.

Yup, a truly average 40 year old midcarder for life, that will never draw in the main event worth a piss, will be getting a push from Triple H, which will proceed to block the man who has all the tools to be your next big star, and will gain a massive popularity rise with his face turn.

Way to go WWE

 

[klunderbunker]

One word: Overrated. By his fellow countryman mostly.

I like him sorta, although you can't understand him for shit in his promos, and he's a midcarder for life, always has, always will be.

As a wrestler, he's just meh, I've never been impressed really. He's just average, he plays an on screen character so much better than he does as a wrestler and is usually the only time he can ever get over with the fans.



Yup, a truly average 40 year old midcarder for life, that will never draw in the main event worth a piss, will be getting a push from Triple H, which will proceed to block the man who has all the tools to be your next big star, and will gain a massive popularity rise with his face turn.

Way to go WWE.

Could not be more true. Regal was at his best just before the KOTR. He was the authority figure that was just so easy to hate who put on a great match every once in awhile. Those matches happen every so often, keeping them from getting stale. His match with Orton in England was quite good, but honestly, if he ever gets into the main event, the ratings in 2003 will sound like a dream come true to WWE.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Regal is awesome. But there is no point pushing him at this stage in his career. He hasn't got the physique, looks, ring style or personality to be a main event player. As an upper mid card he's great, but he should never be anywhere near the main event scene. WWE fans would reject him like a a mother bird would reject her fallen baby.

He's better off as a manager or GM. His mic skills are great. But he doesn't have that agression that main eventers need. He can do it straight or comedy. But he wouldn't be able to convince me that he could kick Triple H's ass. Although in reality he probably could. Regal used to be known as a legit tough guy.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

One word: Overrated. By his fellow countryman mostly.

Oh rly? I didn't know you were English, Wes? Infact, I couldn't help but notice most people from his country admire him. Minus of course the ones who aren't old enough to truly know any different.

William Regal is anything but overrated. But since you've once again tried talking with your head up your ass, why don't you explain how a man who's never been given hardly any type of a push at all.. could still be viewed as "overrated?"

I like him sorta, although you can't understand him for shit in his promos, and he's a midcarder for life, always has, always will be.

Which once again begs the question how anyone can view him as overrated, when hes always only been in the midcard ranks. Hes only once been given a shot at being something more, and that was in 2004 when his only design was to push a character that resembled a "******" to 'save' him up against Triple H.

Which, I might add, William Regal went over massively by the fans who cheered him and loved seeing him hand Triple H. his ass. In the end, Regal was never meant to go over, because the push was for Eugene, NOT Regal. However during that time, the people wanted Regal to be more like that, more violent, full of rage and attitude. It was only because W.W.E. wanted to push Eugene, did Regal not get his chance.

As a wrestler, he's just meh, I've never been impressed really.

Well Wes, thats because your idea of 'talent' as a wrestler is pure shit. William Regal is so much better than the guys you consider great, its unheard of. I see you ranting your way around bitching about Regal, for Kennedy.

Let me explain right here, right now. Our Kennedy/Regal arguement is one thing. But just because you don't like the position Regal could be getting pushed into, don't try and claim the guy is shit for wrestling because the fact is.. as far as "wrestling" (alone) is concerned. William Regal is THE BEST GUY.. in the company, who can mat wrestle and school ANYONE ELSE on the current roster, especially Kennedy.

He's just average, he plays an on screen character so much better than he does as a wrestler and is usually the only time he can ever get over with the fans.

Yeah, because apparently even as a heel he doesn't pop worth a shit, even in England. You know, I agree that his on-screen character in a non-wrestling role is better for the W.W.E. than his wrestling role.

But not because he isn't a great wrestler. Its because braindead fans no longer care to see classic wrestling. Wrestling to people these days is a 40 ft. flip dive off a tall scaffold. A fireman's carry into a mere shoulder slam. An elbow drop that takes 20 seconds to deliver. Clever finishing move names, flashy tights, and loud voices.

William Regal is old school to a tee. And for anyone who calls themselves a wrestling fan, to NOT respect and admire William Regal is lying to themselves. You aren't a wrestling fan. You're a fan of fake entertainment, flashing high spots, and clever one-liners.

Yup, a truly average 40 year old midcarder for life, that will never draw in the main event worth a piss, will be getting a push from Triple H, which will proceed to block the man who has all the tools to be your next big star, and will gain a massive popularity rise with his face turn.

Way to go WWE

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Go blow Kennedy when his week comes, this isn't about him, its about William Regal. And if you're so sure that Kennedy's push will start by going over Regal.. why are you coming in here, complaining that Regal will now be blocking Kennedy's push? Doubting yourself, are ya?

MY TAKE: William Regal is quite possibly one of the last true gems in the world of old school, legit technical wrestling. In today's sport (entertainment) the technical wrestlers are being phased out for the guys who can run their mouth, then do a 4-set collection of high spots and nicely timed stunt moves.

Its true, William Regal doesn't deserve a Main Event push this late in his career because it'll never take by the fans of today's wrestling. If this push happened about 10-15 years ago, William Regal would've been dominate. Back when wrestling was still 'wrestling' and not a puzzle-piece of high spot after high spot.

I don't understand why they're pushing William Regal right now. But I'm still happy for it, none the less because it might give some of the younger fans a chance to see what they definately won't be seeing in the future with the next generation of talent. (minus M.V.P., at the most)

Make no mistake. William Regal won't break records for the W.W.E., not to my knowledge anyways, but hes not some push-over. Hes not just some jobber, or loser. The guy is wrestling. Old school wrestling, before flashy characters & 20 second elbow drops completely took over being all that was important.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Im in agrreement that Regal is fucking awesome. Im not sure if anyone else saw his match with Orton, but he carried Orton to a SICK match. Regal exudes heel heat. Look at the coronation ceremony at the end of RAW. He is perfect for the position they are giving him IMO. He has everything needed for a good ME heel run. And if not him, who else?? (heel wise)...um yea, there is no one better to use right now.

 

[Lil Wes]

William Regal is anything but overrated. But since you've once again tried talking with your head up your ass, why don't you explain how a man who's never been given hardly any type of a push at all.. could still be viewed as "overrated?"

By smarks, and his countrymen. He's overrated.

By the casual fan, they don't give a shit.

Which once again begs the question how anyone can view him as overrated, when hes always only been in the midcard ranks.

I should have REALLY REALLY REALLY said by smarks.

Damn, now I have to go through all of your pointless rambling.

Well Wes, thats because your idea of 'talent' as a wrestler is pure shit.

ROFL.

HBK, Sting, Hogan, Austin, Rock, Goldberg and Kurt Angle are among my favorites of all time.

Hardly pure shit.

William Regal is so much better than the guys you consider great,

Regal is better than those above guys? Really Will? Really?

its unheard of. I see you ranting your way around bitching about Regal, for Kennedy.

Kennedy may very well be the companys next top face for years to come. If he's to bring in ratings, and be a proven draw, I have no reason not to claim he isn't good.

As of now, in the mid card, the guy is a god.

Also, Why should I not bitch about Regal going over when it makes no sense whatsoever?

Let me explain right here, right now. Our Kennedy/Regal arguement is one thing.

Again with the pointless rambling that nobody cares to read.

But just because you don't like the position Regal could be getting pushed into, don't try and claim the guy is shit for wrestling because the fact is.. as far as "wrestling" (alone) is concerned.

I never claimed he was shit.

I claimed he was an average wrestler and a great on screen character. That's far from shit.

William Regal is THE BEST GUY.. in the company,

ROFL.

That's John Cena.

who can mat wrestle and school ANYONE ELSE on the current roster,

WWE has lost all of it's technicians. So I can't really disagree with that. I still think he's an average mat wrestler.

Which is another reason why Regal is a fish out of water. Fans usually like brawlers, not technicians. Most of the time anyway.

especially Kennedy.

Kennedy is a brawler.

Your definition of "outwrestling" is more off than Jake Delhomme's arm.

Just because someone puts another in 1500 different variations of a armbar, doesn't mean they are outwrestling someone. You have to include the heel physcology and the story of the match, which Regal is average at but would never draw fans into.

Yeah, because apparently even as a heel he doesn't pop worth a shit,

Take away his GM role.

Put him out there as a wrestler in the mid-card. He would have never gotten over. Semi over, but not main event material.

You know, I agree that his on-screen character in a non-wrestling role is better for the W.W.E. than his wrestling role.

And himself.

Because that's the only way, he'll ever get a reaction from fans.

But not because he isn't a great wrestler. Its because braindead fans no longer care to see classic wrestling.

Lol.

Why do people automatically think technical wrestling = great, when it really isn't at all?

Wrestling to people these days is a 40 ft. flip dive off a tall scaffold.

That's how Jeff gets his reactions.

Not from a headlock in which the crowd is sleeping.

A fireman's carry into a mere shoulder slam.

The move that draws more of a reaction than any in the company.

Hardly mediocre.

An elbow drop that takes 20 seconds to deliver.

HBK and Randy Savage always drew fantastic reactions via their routine.

William Regal is old school to a tee. And for anyone who calls themselves a wrestling fan, to NOT respect and admire William Regal is lying to themselves.

I respect every wrestlers that trys to entertainment by doing things that are extremely difficult, which wrestling is.

Some are just better at entertaining than others.

You aren't a wrestling fan.

I'm a sports entertainment fan.

If I wanted to watch wrestling, I'd tune into the college wrestling on CSTV.

You're a fan of fake entertainment,

Sports Entertainment. Which is pre-planned, yes.

flashing high spots,

I'm not much of a fan of spot monkeys. I'd take technicians over spotty wrestlers.

and clever one-liners.

That the fans react too and add to the character.

Hence the whole point of one liners, and catchphrases.

I'm noticing throughout this post. You aren't wrestling smart at all Will.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Go blow Kennedy when his week comes, this isn't about him, its about William Regal.

I was stating my opinion on KB's analysis of Regal's possible "push".

Problem?

And if you're so sure that Kennedy's push will start by going over Regal.. why are you coming in here, complaining that Regal will now be blocking Kennedy's push?

I just told you yesterday. With the backing of HHH, that may not happen but Vince loves the guy, and probably won't let HHH get his way, if he notices a popularity rise, and Kennedy still draws reactions from the crowd.

Doubting yourself, are ya?

Not really. He'll go over.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I think its hard to definatvely say one way or another is people "care" about Regal or if he can do well with this spot. You guys are arguing over something that hasnt even happened yet LOL. Let it have a try, and see how it goes. Heels are supposed to work a slower paced more boring style, ala the Orton headlocks. A slower technical style is the very definition of heel phsycology. So im not sure what else he supposed to do to get heat besides be an excellent technical wrestler and have loads of heel charisma. Not making sense to me.

And im not sure how anyone can say "well people dont care about him" when he has never even had anything even close to a big push.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

You know what your issue is Wes? You try to play off being smart, by breaking up things I say to turn them around. Congrats, you're ten levels lower than Sly, and not nearly as smart. When he does it, he can actually prove the other person wrong. When you do it, you just break up a sentence, or a paragraph to try and disguise the other person into being wrong.

example: I said, William Regal is the best guy in the company, who can mat wrestle and school anyone else on the current roster.

You broke that into two points, with the first being.. "William Regal is the best guy in the company." To make it seem like I was trying to make him look like "the best" in general. Which is you acting like an idiot, to try and prove me wrong.

Second, you claim my posts are long because I add a bunch of rambling garbage that noone wants to read. So my way of addressing this is to say two things.

First - Don't like it, don't read it. How old are you again? 9 or 19? Second - I love how the guy who breaks tons of shit up to reply with brain-busting gems like "Lawls" "more pointless rambling" "lol" "stupid argument."

Maybe the reason you reply like that, is because you aren't capable of coming up with logical rebuttals? Maybe you reply saying everything I talk about is mindless ramblings, because you're scared I'm right and wanna make yourself look bigger by saying its stupid, or using the classic internet nerd phrase "lawlz."

Now then. You claim only his countrymen and smarks give a shit about Regal. Well, to an extent, every wrestling fan in the world is a so-called smark for someone. You youself suck Kennedy's dick so hard, I wouldn't be surprised if the damn thing shines brighter than Brooke's ass, after Hogan baby oiled it.

Tell me this much. If Regal doesn't get over with the fans in this type of role, the "Main Event heel" type of role.. then why does anything I say, about William Regal, work you into a frenzy? Maybe because you're so upset that once again your boy, might not be getting the Main Event spot you invision him to deserve just yet.

Don't worry. Kennedy's time will indeed come. And if this is somehow Regal's chance to shine, I'm sure you'll complain. I'm sure you'll blow a nut at how much it'll never work, I'm sure you'll run your mouth in 50,000 two sentence remarks to me about how its bullshit and rambling, when thats all you have the ability to do. But keep this in mind. When you reply me, the next time. Just know that every word you use, against William Regal.. is one more word, that he's using against you.. to make you hate him more, which infact.. IS GETTING HIM OVER!

Finally. You never before brought up the likes of Hogan, Rock, Austin, (lol as a technical mat wrestler, dumbass) Goldberg, (again lol) and HBK. Our entire argument was of Kennedy/Regal.. and you bring in top talented names, then try to foolishly claim "I" would think Regal is better than any. Who's putting words in who's mouth now? Oh wait.. nevermind, its apparently okay when you break a paragraph into one phrase and try to pass it off as all I said, huh?

So allow me to leave you with the great words of Wes, regarding William Regal being Wrestler of the Week:

Your posts are so long because you address stupid shit and add nothing to the conversation but a bunch of rambling garbage.

And this belongs in a thread dedicated to a "Wrestler of the week" because why?

Damn, now I have to go through all of your pointless rambling.

Again, why point this out, unless you wanna try and feel superior for something other than using your brain. (which apparently you can't)

ROFL.

At your wrestling knowledge, indeed.

HBK, Sting, Hogan, Austin, Rock, Goldberg and Kurt Angle are among my favorites of all time.

Aren't the current wrestler of the week though, are they?

Again with the pointless rambling that nobody cares to read.

Again with falling back on stupidity and jackass replies to win idiots in your favor?

ROFL.

At your attempt to prove me wrong, indeed.

That's John Cena.

I believe his thread is in the Raw section of the W.W.E. section. This is old school, and wrestler of the week genius.

Your definition of "outwrestling" is more off than Jake Delhomme's arm.

Football in the WOTW thread? Really, Wes, Really?

Lol.

At your pathetic attempt to show me up, which I'm now making you look like a complete jackass. Indeed.

Why do people automatically think technical wrestling = great, when it really isn't at all?

Bret Hart, Ric Flair, & M.V.P. to name a few.. none of these guys have ever, or will ever come to be HUGE stars in the world of wrestling? Wow Wes, just wow.

HBK and Randy Savage always drew fantastic reactions via their routine.

They did. How is that on-topic with what we're talking about though? How does this connect to Regal?

I'm a sports entertainment fan.

Which probably explains your man-love for the talentless Kennedy.

I'm noticing throughout this post. You aren't wrestling smart at all Will.

And I'm done with making you look like the fool you are. Regal, win or lose, over or not, has pulled at least YOU into disliking him and thats what he was meant to do. Congrats on proving yourself wrong, Wes. It just makes my job easier.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Your posts are so long because you address stupid shit and add nothing to the conversation but a bunch of rambling garbage.

Now now, Wesley.

By smarks, and his countrymen. He's overrated.

It depends what criteria you judge him by. Like you said, by the casual fan he'll be looked down on. However, being from England I love him because. Wait, no. I like him because he's actually a very good wrestler that's been hidden away by the gimmick he's been given. He's actually just as entertaining on the WWE roster to watch, given the chance. Recently, I think he proved that.

By the casual fan, they don't give a shit.

True.

ROFL.

HBK, Sting, Hogan, Austin, Rock, Goldberg and Kurt Angle are among my favorites of all time.

To be fair, anybody can make a decent best of all time list. And Goldberg's on there. Not insulting you, just making a point.

Hardly pure shit.

I agree, but still.

Regal is better than those above guys? Really Will? Really?

Again, I don't think Will is referring to those guys, otherwise there's really no point calling any wrestler great if you just gonna go, "but is he better than Sting and Stone Cold?"

Kennedy may very well be the companys next top face for years to come. If he's to bring in ratings, and be a proven draw, I have no reason not to claim he isn't good.

Perfectly true. I'm personally a closet Kennedy mark. But it's like being an Orton mark a year ago, so I keep it quiet.

As of now, in the mid card, the guy is a god.

There have been a lot better midcarders. And are, really.

Also, Why should I not bitch about Regal going over when it makes no sense whatsoever?

'Cos it's not going anywhere. You know it, I know it, Will's French aunt knows it.

Again with the pointless rambling that nobody cares to read.

*Puts down the Bible* Oh, sorry. And two sentences is rambling how?

I never claimed he was shit.

Good.

I claimed he was an average wrestler and a great on screen character. That's far from shit.

He's a great technical wrestler that's prohibited by his great on screen character. And his physique.

ROFL.

That's John Cena.

"Spews coffee*

WWE has lost all of it's technicians. So I can't really disagree with that. I still think he's an average mat wrestler.

He really, really isn't.

Which is another reason why Regal is a fish out of water. Fans usually like brawlers, not technicians. Most of the time anyway.

*Looks at his own signature*

Kennedy is a brawler.

I find brawling really, really boring. Usually.

Your definition of "outwrestling" is more off than Jake Delhomme's arm.

Who?

Just because someone puts another in 1500 different variations of a armbar, doesn't mean they are outwrestling someone. You have to include the heel physcology and the story of the match, which Regal is average at but would never draw fans into.

Psychology is so fucking overestimated it's unreal. Just 'cos a guy can't do a decent submission people claim that he makes up for it with his staredowns or what the fuck ever. You have to care about a guy to get into a match, it's true, but psychology is a much smaller part of that than people think. Kurt Angle is living proof. Chris Benoit is... another kind of proof.

Take away his GM role.

Put him out there as a wrestler in the mid-card. He would have never gotten over. Semi over, but not main event material.

Very true. Just because someone isn't main event material doesn't make them shit. Take Chris Jericho for example.

And himself.

Because that's the only way, he'll ever get a reaction from fans.

Just like if John Cena suddenly changed his character people would be like WTF? Obviously if he didn't have a character he'd have less of a reaction. Common sense.

Why do people automatically think technical wrestling = great, when it really isn't at all?

Because it's far more entertaining than people pretending to punch each other for five minutes at a time. Watch a Rock match. If I didn't like the guy so much, I'd have fucking passed out from boredom.

That's how Jeff gets his reactions.

Not from a headlock in which the crowd is sleeping.

So you're more of a Sabu man than a Randy Orton one? I see...

The move that draws more of a reaction than any in the company.

Hardly mediocre.

It's still not very interesting, nor exciting to watch.

HBK and Randy Savage always drew fantastic reactions via their routine.

Yeah, they're actually quite entertaining to watch.

I respect every wrestlers that trys to entertainment by doing things that are extremely difficult, which wrestling is.

Some are just better at entertaining than others.

You don't have to think like Vince McMahon to decide whether someone is entertaining or not.

I'm a sports entertainment fan.

What Regal does isn't real wrestling, it's just more realistic and interesting than what others do.

If I wanted to watch wrestling, I'd tune into the college wrestling on CSTV.

No, 'cos that's just two guys hugging. Technical wrestling and amateur wrestling; apples and oranges.

Sports Entertainment. Which is pre-planned, yes.

I thought everything Regal did was spontaneous. Silly me.

I'm not much of a fan of spot monkeys. I'd take technicians over spotty wrestlers.

Not according to your Jeff Hardy comment.

That the fans react too and add to the character.

Hence the whole point of one liners, and catchphrases.

I agree, except about adding to the character. Characters and the like are important, yes, but not deep. If ya smelllllll... what the Sam... is cookin'.

I was stating my opinion on KB's analysis of Regal's possible "push".

Problem?

A bit, because this is William Regal's thread and you have sullied it.

I just told you yesterday. With the backing of HHH, that may not happen but Vince loves the guy, and probably won't let HHH get his way, if he notices a popularity rise, and Kennedy still draws reactions from the crowd.

Regal's push won't amount to anything. It's not even a shame. Doesn't mean I don't think he's great.

Not really. He'll go over.

Kennedy? Yeah.

 

[Lil Wes]

You know what your issue is Wes? You try to play off being smart, by breaking up things I say to turn them around. Congrats, you're ten levels lower than Sly, and not nearly as smart. When he does it, he can actually prove the other person wrong. When you do it, you just break up a sentence, or a paragraph to try and disguise the other person into being wrong.

This is a wrestling board. Not Dr Phil or Oprah. Shut the fuck up with this mindless shit and get to the point of William Regal as Wrestler of the Week.

Second, you claim my posts are long because I add a bunch of rambling garbage that noone wants to read. So my way of addressing this is to say two things.

Your doing that right now. In this very post.

First - Don't like it, don't read it. How old are you again? 9 or 19?

19.

Second - I love how the guy who breaks tons of shit up to reply with brain-busting gems like "Lawls" "more pointless rambling" "lol" "stupid argument."

Then I proceed to address your argument, with my own.

Maybe the reason you reply like that, is because you aren't capable of coming up with logical rebuttals?

I don't know what that is. Sorry.

Maybe you reply saying everything I talk about is mindless ramblings, because you're scared I'm right and wanna make yourself look bigger by saying its stupid,

No, your not right at all. In fact, you look like a complete ass. So, I take that, and point it out. Simple.

or using the classic internet nerd phrase "lawlz."

I'll use the words I want. Thank you very much.

Now then. You claim only his countrymen and smarks give a shit about Regal.

Not really. I said they overrated him. There's a difference in giving a shit and overrating him.

The casul fan doesn't underrated or overrate a wrestle, because they don't really care as long as they are entertained. They aren't picky and bash every little thing that happens. They sit back and enjoy the ride.

You youself suck Kennedy's dick so hard, I wouldn't be surprised if the damn thing shines brighter than Brooke's ass, after Hogan baby oiled it.

Probably. I'm a big Kennedy fan. I see so much potential it's ridiculous.

Tell me this much. If Regal doesn't get over with the fans in this type of role, the "Main Event heel" type of role.. then why does anything I say, about William Regal, work you into a frenzy?

I'm not in any sort of frenzy whatsoever. I'm stating my opinion in my own arrogant way. Don't like it, shut the fuck up and don't respond.

Don't worry. Kennedy's time will indeed come. And if this is somehow Regal's chance to shine, I'm sure you'll complain.

And rightfully so.

I'm sure you'll blow a nut at how much it'll never work, I'm sure you'll run your mouth in 50,000 two sentence remarks to me about how its bullshit and rambling, when thats all you have the ability to do. But keep this in mind. When you reply me, the next time. Just know that every word you use, against William Regal.. is one more word, that he's using against you.. to make you hate him more, which infact.. IS GETTING HIM OVER!

I don't hate William Regal.

I hate his push at the current time in his career. There's a difference there smart guy.

Finally. You never before brought up the likes of Hogan, Rock, Austin, (lol as a technical mat wrestler, dumbass)

Alright clown.

Your quote...

Well Wes, thats because your idea of 'talent' as a wrestler is pure shit.

I replied with wrestlers that I've been a fan of. You didn't say technical or I would have named you Beniot, Lashley, Lesnar, Angle, Jericho etc.

Goldberg, (again lol)

Goldberg is one of the best draws ever and a very underrated wrestler. Don't lol.

Our entire argument was of Kennedy/Regal.. and you bring in top talented names, then try to foolishly claim "I" would think Regal is better than any.

No, you claimed what I think is talent is "pure shit" and I completely owned your motherfucking ass.

Check and mate.

Who's putting words in who's mouth now?

Once again....

Your quote...

Well Wes, thats because your idea of 'talent' as a wrestler is pure shit.

So I gave wrestlers that I thought were talented, which they were considering they were some of the best ever. So how in god's name is it possible for my idea of talent to be "pure shit"?

Oh wait.. nevermind, its apparently okay when you break a paragraph into one phrase and try to pass it off as all I said, huh?

I just gave you what you said in the above. Owned again. This is too easy.

So allow me to leave you with the great words of Wes, regarding William Regal being Wrestler of the Week:

Which should have been what you were doing to the whole time.

And this belongs in a thread dedicated to a "Wrestler of the week" because why?

He was chosen? *shrugs*?

Again, why point this out, unless you wanna try and feel superior for something other than using your brain. (which apparently you can't)

Says the idiot you completely ignored any of my points and just turned this into a flamefest.

At your wrestling knowledge, indeed.

So instead of addressing your thoughts on my "pure shit" talent, you feel the need to say this?

Aren't the current wrestler of the week though, are they?

Again,

Well Wes, thats because your idea of 'talent' as a wrestler is pure shit.

My Reply:

HBK, Sting, Hogan, Austin, Rock, Goldberg and Kurt Angle are among my favorites of all time.

Hardly pure shit.

Then I proceeded to say in the quote afterwards if you thought those guys were "pure shit".

Yet, you failed to address that in this post, and resorted to baiting.

Again with falling back on stupidity and jackass replies to win idiots in your favor?

Couldn't care less if anyone agrees with my opinions or not. Hence why they are MINE and nobody elses. They can agree, but I really don't give a fuck.

At your attempt to prove me wrong, indeed.

Which isn't very hard at all considering your ignoring all of my points and the thread topic for shit like this.

Your not owning me neither, your just looking like a complete clown.

I believe his thread is in the Raw section of the W.W.E. section. This is old school, and wrestler of the week genius.

No shit.

Football in the WOTW thread? Really, Wes, Really?

Cheap shot. Like your doing now.

At your pathetic attempt to show me up, which I'm now making you look like a complete jackass. Indeed.

But yet you don't continue the debate on the thread topic, but instead resort to mindless bashing of another poster. Which is a flame.

Bret Hart, Ric Flair, & M.V.P. to name a few.. none of these guys have ever, or will ever come to be HUGE stars in the world of wrestling? Wow Wes, just wow.

Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan and John Cena.

All were brawlers and all bigger draws than the above.

They did. How is that on-topic with what we're talking about though? How does this connect to Regal?

You were complaining about wrestling today, not being good or some shit.

So I explained to you why it is, because it's drawing reactions.

Which probably explains your man-love for the talentless Kennedy.

Which explains your love for HBK, John Morrison, and Edge. Why? Because they are sports entertainers.

And I'm done with making you look like the fool you are.

Lawlz.

Oops. Did I say lawlz? Double lawlz.

Regal, win or lose, over or not, has pulled at least YOU into disliking him

What?

I like him sorta

Congrats on proving yourself wrong, Wes. It just makes my job easier.

Yet I just proved my points. Good try Will. Maybe one day you can hang with me.

 

[klunderbunker]

This week's wrestler of the week is Scott Steiner.

Finishing and signature moves
Frankensteiner
Steiner Recliner (Standing camel clutch)
Steiner Flatliner (Reverse STO)
S.S.D. – Steiner Screwdriver (Vertical suplex piledriver) – 1990s
Super fireman's carry drop
Double underhook powerbomb
Steiner–Line (Lariat)
Elbow drop followed by push ups
Multiple suplex variations
Spinning side belly to belly / Overhead belly to belly, sometimes from the top rope
Exploder
Dragon
Gutwrench
Northern Lights
Fallaway slam
Pumphandle drop
Reverse DDT
Sitout double underhook powerbomb – 1990s

With Rick Steiner
Super Steiner Drop / Steinerizer (Scott lifts the opponent up and Rick performs the diving bulldog)
Steiner DDT (Rick lifts the opponent up and Scott performs the DDT)
Steiner Device (Rick holds the opponent in an electric chair hold while Scott hits a flying clothesline to the opponent)

Signature illegal weapon
Lead pipe

Managers
Major Gunns
Ted DiBiase
Eddie Gilbert
Stacy Keibler
Midajah
Missy Hyatt
Shakira
Tojo Yamamoto
April Hunter
Rhaka Khan

Signature Taunts
Doing Push-Ups instead of going for a cover.
Flexing arms and kissing his biceps.

Nicknames
The Big Bad Booty Daddy
Big Poppa Pump
The Genetic Freak
Freakzilla'
The Man with the Largest Arms in the World (and the Shortest Fuse in Professional Wrestling)
The Physical Phenomenon
Superstar
White Thunder

Championships and accomplishments

Amateur wrestling
National Collegiate Athletic Association
1983 Division I Big 10 - fifth place
1984 Division I Big 10 - runner up
1985 Division I Big 10 - runner up
1986 Division I Big 10 - runner up
1986 Division I All American - sixth place

Professional wrestling

Continental Wrestling Association
CWA Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Billy Travis (2), and Jed Grundy (1)

Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling
NWA Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Championship (1 time, current) – with Rick Steiner

New Japan Pro Wrestling
IWGP Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Rick Steiner

Pro Wrestling America
PWA Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Rick Steiner

Stars and Stripes Championship Wrestling
SSCW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

United Wrestling Federation
UWF Rock 'n' Roll Express Championship (1 time, current) – with Rick Steiner

National Wrestling Alliance | World Championship Wrestling
NWA United States Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Rick Steiner
NWA World Tag Team Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (1 time) - with Rick Steiner
WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
WCW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
WCW World Tag Team Championship (6 times) – with Rick Steiner
WCW World Television Championship (2 times)
NWA Pat O'Connor Memorial Tag Team Tournament winner in 1990 – with Rick Steiner

World Wrestling All-Stars
WWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

World Wrestling Association
WWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
WWA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Jerry Graham, Jr

World Wrestling Federation
WWF Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Rick Steiner

Worldwide Wrestling Alliance
WWWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
Tag Team of the Year award in 1990 – with Rick Steiner
Worked Match of the Year award in 1992 – Steiner Brothers vs Hiroshi Hase and Kensuke Sasaki
Best Wrestling Maneuver award in 1989 – Frankensteiner
Best Wrestling Maneuver award in 1990 – Frankensteiner
Five Star Match – Ric Flair, Larry Zbyszko, Barry Windham and Sid Vicious vs. Sting, Brian Pillman, Rick Steiner and Scott Steiner (WarGames Match – February 24, 1991)

Matches

Steiner Brothers vs. Road Warriors

Steiner Brothers vs. Abdullah the Butcher and Cactus Jack

Steiner Brothers vs. Sting and Lex Luger Part 1
Steiner Brothers vs. Sting and Lex Luger Part 2

Steiner Brothers vs. Bam Bam Bigelow and Scott Norton Part 1
Steiner Brothers vs. Bam Bam Bigelow and Scott Norton Part 2

Steiner Brothers vs. Sting and The Great Muta Part 1
Steiner Brothers vs. Sting and The Great Muta Part 2

Scott Steiner vs. I.R.S.

Steiner Brothers vs. Heavenly Bodies Part 1
Steiner Brothers vs. Heavenly Bodies Part 2

Steiner Brothers vs. Owen Hart and Bret Hart Part 1
Steiner Brothers vs. Owen Hart and Bret Hart Part 2
Steiner Brothers vs. Owen Hart and Bret Hart Part 3
Steiner Brothers vs. Owen Hart and Bret Hart Part 4

Scott Steiner vs. Marty Jannetty

Scott Steiner vs. The Wall

Scott Steiner vs. Mike Awesome

Scott Steiner vs. Sting Part 1
Scott Steiner vs. Sting Part 2

Scott Steiner vs. Booker T Part 1
Scott Steiner vs. Booker T Part 2

Scott Steiner vs. HHH Part 1
Scott Steiner vs. HHH Part 2

Scott Steiner vs. Batista

Scott Steiner vs. Randy Orton

Scott Steiner vs. Billy Kidman

Scott Steiner vs. The Giant

Scott Steiner and Petey Williams vs. Motor City Machine Guns

Scott Steiner and Petey Williams vs. Rock and Rave Infection


Promos/Segments

Scott Steiner Fakes Retirement

Mr. Steiner, the Math Teacher

HHH vs. Scott Steiner Promo

Scott Steiner, Eric Bischoff and Stephanie McMahon

Scott Steiner Picks a Brand

Scott Steiner on Team 3D

Scott Steiner on Ric Flair

Scott Steiner WWE Debut

Steiner on Ohio

My Thoughts

Steiner was way ahead of his time in his younger years with the great mix of power and speed. Here we have a 275 pound man, who was an all american amateur, and can break out a damn fine hurricanrana. It's a shame he got hurt in the early 90s and seemed to just flat out stop caring. He and his brother were one of the best teams ever, but Scott was just a bit better. His time in the NWO was pretty forgettable, but once he got away from them and became Big Poppa Pump, he really found himself as the insane monster heel. His WWE run could've been better, but it was nice to see him in the main event for awhile, but giving him the title would've made more sense, even for just a few weeks. Now in TNA, he and Petey make a good comedy team, and I'm glad Scott is back in the main event. Overall, he could have been one of the best ever, but even still he's very good both in the ring and on the mic, where he's flat out hilarious for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

One of the best ever. Great wrestler. Single handedly made The Steiner Bros one of the greates teams ever. When they were at their peak Rick was losing what little talent he had, Scott made that team what it was. I always thought it was a shame that teh majority of his career was spent in WCW. I'd have much prefered to see him in WWE in 1996-1998. Then again the way he was booked in 2003, It might have been a good thing.

I'll have a hunt for Goldberg vs. Steiner from Fall Brawl 2002. One of the greatest matches ever.

 

[klunderbunker]

It really is amazing how good he was considering it looks like he flat out never really cares anymore. His stuff with Goldberg is great just for its pure brutality, almost like Taker Lesnar. Seeing him get on the mat and use some of the moves he does is always fun, and I always marked for the screwdriver and the frankensteiner.

Fall Brawl 2002? Sure you don't mean 2000?

 

[Monkey_Mania]

Wasn't Steiner Already a WOTW. Meh Makes no difference to me. Steiner is one of the few older guys i still get excited about. He can cut a funny promo, or a very serious one (that usually ends up being hilarious anyways). He can still put on a good match and once in awhile hell pull an old trick out of the bag aka Frankensteiner. Hopefully one day he will get the respect he deserves.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

The thing about me and Scott Steiner is he wasn't enjoyable to watch until he started dropping in talent. Sad, but true. When the Steiner Brothers were around, they had a ton of talent but next to nothing regarding character. I dispised the Steiner Brothers all the way through until Scott turned on Rick.

When Scott turned on Rick, then joined the n.W.o., while I wasn't sold on Scott at first.. when he joined Buff Bagwell (who I actually enjoyed back then) I felt that was the injection of charisma that Scott needed to become the type of Superstar to go to the next level.

He was such a dominate Television and United States Champion, and somehow fell back off the map told the end of the n.W.o. run. He returned with a "career threatening" injury during the final days of the n.W.o./Silver, then exploded when the Bischoff/Russo merger happened.

It was during the days of the New Blood, and Scott Steiner being a big portion of those storylines that made me love W.C.W. during its final days. Steiner's promos were Ultimate Warrior like in rambling, but Steiner had something Warrior didn't (to me) and that was a vicious streak. Steiner backed up his rambling, by hurting people.. and as W.C.W. went through its final monthes.. every person Steiner faced, ended up "gone" directly afterward.

When Steiner ended up in T.N.A. I had huge hopes for him to become a World Champion, but now I'm just not sure what I expect from him anymore. Hes getting to the point to where a World title run won't do him much good.. and his "Big Pappa Pump" gimmick needs another charisma injection.

But overall, I'll always like Scott Steiner for turning ultimately turning on his brother.

 

[klunderbunker]

This week's Wrestler of the Week is Diamond Dallas Page

Finishing and signature moves

Diamond Cutter (Three-quarter facelock bulldog, sometimes from the top rope)
Diamond Clash (Belly to back inverted mat slam) – TNA
Spinning sitout powerbomb
Spike DDT
Discus clothesline
Pumphandle drop
Wrist lock followed by multiple shoulder blocks
Inverted atomic drop
Side slam
Swinging neckbreaker
Russian legsweep

Managers
Kimberly Page

Championships and accomplishments

Swiss Wrestling Federation
SWF Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

World Championship Wrestling
WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
WCW World Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
WCW World Tag Team Championship (4 times) – with Kevin Nash (2) and Chris Kanyon and Bam Bam Bigelow (2)
WCW World Television Championship (1 time)

World Wrestling Federation
WWF European Championship (1 time)
WWF Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Kanyon

Pro Wrestling Illustrated
PWI Most Improved Wrestler of the Year (1995)
PWI Feud of the Year (1997) vs. Macho Man Randy Savage
PWI ranked him # 4 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the year in the PWI 500 in 1997.
PWI ranked him # 4 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the year in the PWI 500 in 1998.
PWI Most Hated Wrestler of the Year (1999)

Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
Most Improved Wrestler (1996)
Best Wrestling Maneuver (1997) Diamond Cutter

Matches

DDP vs. Kanyon

DDP vs. Goldberg Part 1
DDP vs. Goldberg Part 2

DDP vs. Bret Hart

DDP vs. Chris Benoit Part 1
DDP vs. Chris Benoit Part 2

DDP vs. Raven vs. Chris Benoit Part 1
DDP vs. Raven vs. Chris Benoit Part 2
DDP vs. Raven vs. Chris Benoit Part 3

DDP vs. Randy Savage Part 1
DDP vs. Randy Savage Part 2

DDP vs. Scott Steiner Part 1
DDP vs. Scott Steiner Part 2

DDP vs. David Arquette vs. Jeff Jarrett Part 1
DDP vs. David Arquette vs. Jeff Jarrett Part 2
DDP vs. David Arquette vs. Jeff Jarrett Part 3

DDP vs. Sting

DDP vs. Booker T

DDP and Chris Benoit vs. Raven and Saturn

DDP vs. Ric Flair

DDP vs. Raven

DDP vs. Hulk Hogan

DDP vs. Chris Jericho

DDP vs. Disco Inferno

DDP vs. The Giant

DDP vs. Kane

DDP vs. Christian Part 1
DDP vs. Christian Part 2
My Thoughts

To me, DDP was a modern day Dusty Rhodes. He was the common man, the People's champion, who fought and battled for everything he ever won. He was good in the ring, never great, but always adequate. Page could get crowds into matches like very few in the late years of WCW. It was very hard to get the matches down to a reasonable number as there are dozens of great matches with this guy in it. He's very good in the ring and on the mic. His time in WWE wasn't nearly as good, and the same in TNA, but in WCW, he was one of the best they had.

 

[Monkey_Mania]

All I can say is Good Job KB. DDP was one of my favorites in WCW. Second Only to Sting. DDP was the Master of the now overused Cutter. He could literally hit that shit out of nowhere. For entering the business at souch an old age He sure as hell made an impact. To be honest I think theat Orton Took a lot out of DDP's Handbook. Only Orton made it better. DDP will always remain a favorite to me. Maybe a guilty pleasure but a favorite Nonetheless.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

To me, DDP was a modern day Dusty Rhodes. He was the common man,

I have to lol when Rhodes said that. Common because his dad was a plumber, yet plumbers make a good wage. Certainly they do in England. Anyway.

DDP just isn't on my radar. I've seen matches of his I like, some I don't. That's pretty much it. If he wasn't in such a promonent position in WCW I would have forgotten about him. I really don't know what to make of him. I can't easily define him like I do some wrestlers. I can't make the snap judgment of good or bad with him. He had moments of greatness followed by moments of wankness.

 

[klunderbunker]

That's true Jake, both of those things. I never thought of that with Rhodes, but plumbers do pretty well here in America also. The other thing was, he's a professional wrestler. I don't know that many average wrestlers personally.

As for DDP, that's very true. He was very hit or miss. When he started, I loved his story of winning on a bingo card and making a fortune off of it. Then once he became the everyman's man, he got thrown into the main event scene and never really left. While he was one of the best guys around, he was also one of those guys that wouldn't really get out of the way either. He's both good and bad, but he never really stepped up to being a consistent top guy in the ring.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Great pick, Klunder. I was a moderately big Diamond Dallas Page fan from his heel turn when he won the World Heavyweight Championship. I had my ups and downs with him, and even stated prior that I didn't care much for him because of his feuds with Raven. (since I was backing Raven)

Overall, D.D.P. wasn't the greatest guy in the company, or even a top 10 guy, but when the time came that they needed someone to step up during the huge n.W.o. wave, D.D.P. took the ball and ran with it. He made his name during that time and without them gang-beating him on a weekly basis, and without Randy Savage, he likely wouldn't be remembered to this day.

Going back to the InVasion angle, I was excited to see Page revealed as Sara's stalker. I thought it was somewhat stupid for a guy of Page's background through storylines (protecting Kimberly all those years) to stalk another guy's wife.. but I loved the angle. Its really ashame that W.W.E. picked Page to be the top W.C.W. guy to bury first.

When I think of his W.C.W. run, I remember the Randy Savage feuds the most and those were some incredible matches. And when I think to how much he sucked, I remember the feud with Evad Sullivan. Yeah.

Overall, a great selection for the WOTW. I still enjoy watching some matches, but ever since the stalker angle I just wanted to remember him through the Savage feud as someone who was moderately great. Not someone who was trying to spy on another man's wife.